Why is buying games considered bad thing on Holla Forums?
A lot of ideas and concepts are never realised because people that are interested in them just pirate games, and normalfags keep buying asscreed clones so they could buy more asscreed clones.
I implore you not to support jews and big corporations, but small devs that made games you actually like.
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Because the vast majority of games aren't worth buying.
I didn't understand a word.
If you consider game worth your time, time you spend to play it, time that is unique and will never be returned to you, how can you possibly not consider it worth money, a replenishable resource?
I was actually about to make a thread asking anons about their parameters to buy a game. Is it because of the devs, is it because of the replayability, I wanted to know those special reasons that made anons deviate from piracy.
Go look into Silverstring Media. Or at least lurk moar.
At least I know it's not CP. Right?
You just dodge the question.
Small dev != good dev.
Indie game != good game.
I never implied such.
Because it makes sense in a free market. Development costs are socialised (others pay) while I get the the profits (the game). It would be irrational to give money when most of its use would benefit others.
because video games are a hivemind of the alt-right hence you would fund the alt-right.
Those are even on youtube iirc
It really is hard to balance because both sides have good points. I buy games I know I like. But demos are few and far between. I rarely buy new these days. But buying used or second hand hardly "votes with my wallet" beyond sending the message "your shit isn't worth $60+ new". I hate scalpers who intentionally hold old, good shit just to raise prices. But I love playing on original hardware.
the idea of Holla Forums someday pirating some successful user from the AGDG thread pre-pisses me off and it hasn't even happened yet
Probably, they are just butthurt NEETs that can't buy games. :^)
Honestly, I didn't found any recent games worth to buy and my backlog is so damn big that I consider to write text file to handle this.
That logic doesn't follow. If anything, it endorses piracy as you're not being "double taxed" on your time.
I will expand on this a little bit since (((they))) already flooded any relevant data. Let us say that Silverstring got their fingers in every "small devs" pie in U.S. Basically, they are the Mafioso of the indie devs scene in the U.S.
Most Holla Forumsirgins here will avoid indies like a plague because their dosh will make its way up to those SJW and kikes. But they will give some mind to anything outside the States (save for many some nip games with more DLCs than there are PS4 games released in a single given year).
Others being the DRM like EAC which is basically a computer virus embedding itself (jury are still out on whether it is legal or not because no one raised enough ruckus for people to give a shit and reddit and steam keep fellating it 24/7) into your OS kernel and keylog and screencap your shit to the servers and it does not shut down even if you are not playing, other being denuvo which you can find out why most Holla Forumsirgin here will, given any chance, fly a plane into denuvo HQ and carpet bomb anything with immidiate 5km radius while they are at it.
tl;dr Kikes and SJW involvement and DRM.
Because games are electrons you download on your computer and cost nothing to replicate or distribute, so you should only buy when just.
When you should buy a game:
-When you like the game and know the developer will receive the money and it will support them.
When you shouldn't buy a game:
-Developer is defunct or otherwise corrupted from original vision or quality they once had.
-Scum publishers who will be receiving the money.
-When you don't know or like the game, play before you buy, especially since game demos are a rarity these days.
-(Optional) When no DRM-free version is provided and you as a paying customer are treated worse than a pirate who won't have to deal with it.
This is what I am talking about, thank you.
I agree with entirety of your post except maybe electrons bit, since it's too cynical.
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Why would I give money some numale hippie fuck when I can just play their game for free? I get to keep my money, and they come closer to having their mental circlejerk broken by poverty.
If you don't like jews you can justify being a cheap kike about anything
I am part Jewish, is that why I'm so thrifty?
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Maybe if you lurked more instead of making stupid threads you'd have learned why by now.
If a game isn't made by commies and not infested with cancerous DLCs and microtransactions and doesn't run like absolute garbage then and only then do I consider buying it.
These are my parameters on whether a game is worth it's price point or not.
1$ = 10 hours of fun
Not 10 hours of just gameplay. These 10 hours need to be fully enjoyable from the first millisecond to the last.
Therefore - if a game costs $60 then I demand 600 hours of fun.
If it fails to meet these standards then it's garbage and should be pirated.
So what games follow those standards?
How many games do you even have more than 600 hours total on? Let alone 600 hours of you enjoying every last second?
I only buy Japanese games because I hate the west. I pray every night that I will be irradiated in my sleep.
Many, but I'm not telling which ones because it will cause a shitstorm.
None of them, because I don't waste more than $20 on code
Nothing wrong with supporting decent devs or making threads about decent devs.
Most shilling accusations are either thrown around by leftycuck D&C/falseflag shills or newfags trying to fit in, maybe even buttflustered faggots pissed off their favorite AAA tripe filled with DRM and microtransactions isn't being talked about.
Notice how most of those faggots aren't nearly shitting up threads like FFXV, MGS Survive or Bioshock.
Vidya should be free as in beer until I decide they are worthy of my money.
that's a telltale sign that your opinions are complete shit and you only like bottom of the barrel games. the most bang from you buck comes from buying skyrim and modding it with porn for thousands of hours of timeless roleplaying
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Lurk more you lazy asshole! If you do that, you will find out that the criteria from are good enough in most cases.Here are some screenshots of shit games I have played on behalf of this hell hole over the years since the Exodus. This should giver you another criteria when not pay money for a game.
Into the Breach, Kingdom Comes Deliverance and Subnautica to give you the first tree entries of my 3x3 for this year.
The only games that come close to this are old RPGs, Strategy games and assburger simulators. I don't know about your experience, but according to what I know, these are usually played by dads or autists.
I'm interested, surely it'll be some ulillillia-tier autism.
So pretty much only EDF and dorf fort?
Denying your standards are absurdly high doesn't make them magically not absurd. Are you jewish perhaps?
Would you mind listing the games you've played that have 200 hours worth of fun then?
You're treating a transaction like welfare. You're a fucking idiot based on just this.
Is this even true, there are many threads about current console gen exclusives where DRM is unbroken and nobody complains
That doesn't follow your ruruus.
Factorio, Mius-Front, AoE II, EDF and Cold Waters are some of them
They mainly shit on almost everything related to japanese games, with exception for generals.
I only buy games that I like and only when they sub 25 dollars. Know what pisses me off? Steam is a fucking stock market for video game software. Physical goods will depreciate in price very quickly, and their value will never return back to baseline. That just isn't true for digital content. For example, GTA V on Steam was released four years ago and it's still full fucking price. Why is that? It's because the publisher knows that they can artificially inflate the price of their product and people will buy it. Not only that, it pisses me off that there are "Gold" and "Deluxe" and "Complete" editions. So, they release the standard edition, which is just the baseline game without any DLC, for full fucking price, then release a "Deluxe" edition right next to it. The Deluxe edition comes with the season pass/various DLC items + the baseline game, but they sell it for 20 to 30 dollars more than the baseline price. Then, when the game starts getting older and demand starts to fluctuate, they can keep the "Deluxe" edition at a high price (above 60 dollars) and then reduce the price of the standard edition. So, the standard edition might be 20.00 dollars, but it doesn't come with the whole fucking game, so it's basically a trap to incentivize people who want the complete experience to purchase more. Not only that, but standalone DLC hardly ever goes on sale, so if you wait for the game to go on sale and later on decide you want the additional content, you may end up spending more than you would have if you just bought the "Gold/Deluxe/Complete" edition in the first place. It's bullshit.
Time is money.
More often than not you're not actually supporting the creation of more good games, but funding bad follow-ups that seek to reach wider audiences you are not a part of, or subsidizing other unfortunate business decisions (DRM, supporting feminism, making console games, hiring a tranny CM, whatever). Maybe it takes a few games before it happens in the case of smaller developers, but they'll get there eventually. They'll thank you for your support as they cheerfully take a gigantic shit on your screen and call it the witcher 3.
Let normalfags pay enough to compensate developers if they must but don't fund the inevitable disappointing sequel any more than you have to.
You just by licenses on steam, not games.
If anything you'd cause a shitstorm of people laughing for how normal and liked these are.
whoops! The weeb one is from the forgettable light gun shooter / VN Galgun. This one is the stinker.
That is untrue and you supposed to know better. Dubs checking should be pushed more though.
For me it's simple?
Is the game fun (very subjective)?
Is the game heavily moddable (Doom and Quake comes to mind)?
Most importantly, does the game have replayability?
BONUS:If the game has a lot of hidden content in it
So do those licenses expire?
A physical copy of a game is licensed to you by the publisher in the same exact way that a digital copy is licensed. In other words, when you buy a physical copy, you are purchasing a license to use the game on its intended software and nothing more.
Nothing lasts forever; your disc can get scratched, it can be subject to disc rot, among other things. Do you think that the publisher, or the retailer, is going to provide you with a replacement copy in the event that your disc becomes damaged? Do believe that, because you purchased a physical copy, you are entitled to a replacement? No, because you purchased a "non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable, limited right license"
The point is that, aside from the distribution method, there are no differences between physical and digital copies in terms of the rights that you possess when using said software.
if 95% of games are bad then 95% of purchases just help fund more bad games
They can be revoked at any time for any reason, if someone in charge decides they want to. That's what makes them different from property you actually own. Currently you only see cheaters and the like whine about it happening, but who knows what the future holds.
If the game is fun and i've seen footage and it looks like something i'd play, id pirate it first to test
A) if it can run with no issues
B) test drive it my self
If i like it i'd buy it. NOT AT FULL PRICE unless i actually 110% like it****
if its done by a shitty dev who's like "huehuehue tramps a raycis-scum" but if, the game is good depending on how cancerous they are its either pirate or heavy discount buy
also 1$= 10 hours? i always believed 1$ =1 hour more realistic tbh
tfw spent 300 hours on p5 doing everything and still haven't did everything and on a 4th NG+
user there are 714 NES, 721 SNES, 2552 PS1, 2519 PS2, 1494 GBA, 1049 GameBoy, 897 Genesis games, not to mention Mame and other good old PC titles. The market is so saturated with games that something needs to be phenomenal to be worth investing in. Also, new games generally such and I don't want to upgrade my PC just to play the bloated unoptimized trash being produced. Indie game developers are largely just a meme. Nintenjew seems to be the only company in CY+++ who still knows how to make fun games. But yes I will buy a good game on the rare occasions.
Based
It is not only on Holla Forums.
It is the right thing to do, in any place.
Anyone with a brain knows that it is pure stupidity to buy a product from an industry that hates it's own customers.
You support a small dev team today, and they grow to become greedy companies tomorrow.
Or they sell out to greedy corporations soon after they get a following.
Never buy anything from the video games industry, or any entertainment industry.
There are no friendly devs. All of them just want to take the places of the current greedy ones.
Because of the situation cited above.
Good product does not mean that the creator will be a good person that cares for the customer's interests forever, so it is best to never pay for their products.
Also, this.
Never pay for fun.
Have fun for free, always.
Whoops, forgot to mention that I got that game for 10 benis and spend 74 hours in it. You could squeeze the missing 26 with dicking around in the free mode and another play through in the hardcore mode.
Also this. I am not as balls to the walls as you.
I understand why anons don't want to buy games. Since physical copies of games are no longer being sold, you can only get them online. The biggest e-shop is steam and they don't even give you the privilege of owning the software you purchased. Its locked behind DRM and can be taken away from you at a moment's notice. Put also that most games are shit, or made by shitty people and you kinda start seeing why anons are hesitant about giving money.
I personally buy my games from gog and store them on hard drives.
Depends on the game and the DRM, one can see it as a waste of money and should be frowned on.
The truth is that pirates are really just poorfags who can't afford a console.
They could be faggots from 3rd world though.
You're right OP, even though THE NEETs here don't like it. I pirate everything and have paid for a handful of games in the last 10 years, but every one of them deserved it in one way or another. Like Dwarf Fortress. But fags here will put 200 hours into a game, all while saying it's shit, and calling anyone who likes it a shill.
You can pirate games on console, specially on Nintendo and Sony systems. The Vita, Wii, DS and 3DS are still alive with communities full of homebrew hackers who keep porting shit around.
You misunderstand, its not buying games that's bad, its buying games from garbage companies ,and/or shit vendors.
Point me to a game that doesn't have drm, player account creation, always online requirement, doesn't shove leftist ideology in my rectum and has the option for having dedicated servers that aren't controlled by the devs or their thought police sycophants and I might buy it from the bargain bin located at the village roast hyena shop.
I don't want to buy a service or a license that can be revoked at any time. I want a game which I then own, without all the extra baggage. Also DLC is shit
That's funny, because you sound like a kike who wants everything for free and thinks everyone else exists to provide free shit to you.
If anything, the more disposable income I have started getting as I get older, the less I spend, especially on vidya. If you can get something for free and without any troubles, why would you pay?
It seems in all these years you never learned to read. The point is that if you give money to good devs for good games, you get more good games. It's pretty simple. Why would anyone make a game to suit your tastes if they know you're not gonna buy it?
Paranoia about shills usually. Holla Forums also has shit taste. What else is new?
y-you're standars are absurdly high!
But the copy of the game is already out there, it's not a lost sale since I wouldn't have bought it in the first place.
It's not paranoia if they're actually fucking shills.
Good devs will make good games regardless of if they get paid. Toady has been making DF for free for something like a decade now. The internet is crawling with games made and released for free. True artists will create regardless of if they are being paid or not.
A good dev can make bad games, and a bad dev can make good games, but at the end of the day they're entertainers and people will always entertain for free. Money only cheapens it. Go work in a factory or office and make games in your spare time. Or don't. Who cares. Someone else will.
The world doesn't play fair, why should I handicap myself? Why should I pay taxes to support La'Quantia and Trayvonicus when I can just funnel it offshore? Why should I pay for shit when I could just card it? Why should I bother contributing anything at all? sage for blogpost
that was the joke.
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I hope you don't actually believe I own that many games, but thanks to Emulation and just a huge library of old games the point is the same. We sorta hit peak market saturation years ago. It's probably why dev's resort to pushing hardware and graphics because its the only way to seem novel. But it's also the ever-growing number of older classic titles that make upgrading less an less attractive because why spend $200 to $500 on a new GPU or CPU when your old PC still can run everything but the latest garbage.
There's nothing wrong with being poor. Pirating when you don't have money for vidya is right decision. No point in wasting money on something you cannot afford or will have to reduce your month's food supply.
And i am a buyfag with a console who recently bought few games, i am not talking out of sympathy.
I agree with you except i'd say $60 dollars can be 60-100 hours of fun. But i have similar concepts as you do.
Yakuza, Disgaea, various jrpgs and replayable strategy and simulation games fit into that logic perfectly. And developers only deserve money if they aren't fucking kikes. For example Rainbow Six may be a fun game, but you should stay away from it because you're giving money to Ubisoft.
Nobody said it was a lost sale. I know how piracy works, but you're clearly illiterate. Again, the point is that if you like the game and want them to make make more games, more money helps them do that.
So game devs have a duty to make good games for you with zero compensation. Maybe that works in your communist utopia, but in real life people have to pay for bills, groceries, and rent. They can't afford to spend tons of time making quality games unless they're previously wealthy or supported by some other means. Sure some guys make their games on the weekend away from their shitty jobs, but they could make more games and better ones if they were paid for their work.
Don't change the subject user. Nobody's talking about buying this year's CoD or FIFA, or being down with paying taxes for Latrina's 9th kid. The point is that if you like a dev and the shit they make, it's good to pay them so they can make more. But if you can't afford it then no big deal, just pirate and enjoy. They don't lose anything from that.
I have a DSLite and PSP that is full of pirated isos/roms.
Sole system where I've been buying games is the Vita due of how the hack doesnt appeal to me yet, and it's been mostly import stuff so far.
Doesnt help the market of physicals has its share of scalpers hunting "rare" prints
Don't tell me you're some struggling /agdg/ fag, you sure sound like it.
And consolefags are also poorfags because they can't shell out a couple grand for an Alienware™ Desktop Computer to attain the maximum enjoyment out of videogames.
Fucking gamestop is trying to scalp now too, I walked into one after some years and I see they are selling LoZ on the nes for $40.
The corporate cock-sucker is eternally butthurt because we have money and won't spend it on your products.
It is a joy to weave the money in front of a corporate idiot and say "you can't have it" while taking their products for free, while they impotently rage.
Which translates to "buying any games at all".
This is not a deformed kike thing.
It is the natural will of any thinking human being.
Why pay, when we can extort?
The world is not fair, never was, and never will. There is nothing wrong in getting everything for free from those that created it.
If games cease to be made completely, there are already enough good games that can be played for a whole life, and are easily pirateable.
No, they don't.
They grow to become the next anti-consumer company that try everything to prevent a consumer to have fun with a good product.
All true.
There probably will always be someone doing it even if not paid.
and if there is none, there are already enough games made that can be acquired for free.
And there is the added good that is not giving money to kikes and marxists.
Paying for games is stupid.
Holla Forums is not one person, we have game nights were we use legit bought copies of games.
thats why you get banned if you criticize a nintendo game?
you are asking the wrong person, I don't visit nintendo threads.
u did it, gamergate
STOP BEING GAY YOU GAY GAMER!
Don't even play user. Very different.
goalpost status: moved
nothing wrong with moving your goalpost
no, there are things wrong with it.
Gaming industry needs a new term of making a product for specific audience - "whale hunting".
Basically dev makes a game based solely on tumblr preferences to hunt whales who would spend thousands of dollars in microtransactions to support their politically motivated product.
Think about it. Fat feminist liberals have rich parents to suck money from.
No, there is nothing wrong with it. This is just a shitty point made by people who are losing an argument.
It's called market research and pandering you immense fucking retard.
No, it is done by people losing the argument to try and save face by moving on to another argument. It is dodging the argument.
Just shut the fuck up buy our shit
shut the fuck up OP, there are plenty of buyfags here, you bitching about it is what makes people not want to buyfag, if you want people to buyfag don't get in their face about it, some people will never buyfag and you just have to deal with it
t. buyfag
speak for yourself, soygoy
-does it have lootboxes or game progress gated behind real-money RNG? do not buy
-is it made by EA? do not buy
-did i enjoy it when i pirated it? buy
-does it have a demo? consider buy
-does their dev have a good track record? consider buy
-does their dev virtue signal on twitter or spend more time discussing politics than their game? do not buy
-does their dev have a track record of patching things straight up out of the game, be they "too powerful" (battlefleet gothic), too "sexy" (skullgirls) or whatever? pirate
>>>/cuckchan/
buy games if you want to engage with the industry, pirate if you don't want to. not buying or pirating a game sends no message, and people who pirate to send a message are the dumbest fuckers alive and need to be gassed.
Holla Forums is full of NEETs and poorfags. It's the same reason why people here will complain that a modern game is unoptimized because it doesn't run on the 8800 Ultra that mommy bought them in high school.
You are the reason games are over 50 GB now
Has the free market been working well with video games? Does it work with video games?
>>>/biz/2856
no, physical media being so big is.
You're retarded and your standards are abhorrently low. Games noways look like garbage with shitty draw distances and washed-out colors. And yet they require you own a $1000 system to play on ultra.
Just admit you can't be arsed to put money in a digital wallet and consider other things more valuable for your money.
All these mental gimnastics are worthless
At least sage if you are going to shitpost
Memes aren't answers kid
I have a sedentary mind.
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Wait a second. People protecting here buying digital copies of games that are less yours than a pirate copy?
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Thanks for the downvotes
I pirate games. If I enjoy a game and think its buying price is fair, I will then buy it.
No. I just hate buying anything online.
Also my internet connection doesn't handle bloated pieces of garbage called modern video games very well.
Good standards. I don't remember how much mount and blade warband costed, I just know I've gotten 270+ hours of fun out of it and replays never get old.
Don't buy it if it's not going to the publishers, although i might consider changing my views to get GOG installers directly from GOG so i can shamelessly share the goods.
I feel like even when I find a game with a decent concept and no poz (if you ignore the other TW titles' recent QWEENZ poz), dev incompetency swoops in to ensure I don't buy.
It's because there's so many games that aren't worth buying at the price they are being sold for.
I'd tell you if i knew what would make me buy up a game, but I don't know much aside from a few general guidlines:
Most of the money goes to the publisher. If you want to sponsor game devs it makes more sense to pirate and send them 10 dollars in the mail.
Because the state of the industry, even with small developers is devoid of my trust due to practices they've been ousted for in the past therefore I will pirate everything before giving them my money.
Wonderful, I'll try it out when I pirate it. If I liked it and he clears suspicions, then I'll buy it no doubt. If I don't like it but it's at least well made then I'll at least buy it on a sale or at full price if it doesn't go on one. If it's half assed then he can go fuck himself, no other way around it.
See: general mistrust of all devs as stated above. We'll only give it a shot if it results in us getting a fair judgement of it without the dev running off with our money.
New ideas that matter are being experimented with and suggested within the small dev community, it being talked about instead of the next Gone Homo is the journalists' fault, of which there is much to refer to in culpability. You should know the difference between us and normalfags is that we give an actual fuck about video games, we care if we get kiked by devs, even small ones. The jew is everywhere, and our time and money is limited.
Entertainment products are a stopgap measure for the meaninglessness of modern life and sources of propaganda as well. They only charge for them to make it less obvious and influence people into forming livelihoods around them, which is apparent when you see how many fail to earn any profit but continue to be produced.
Jesus, the amount of cynicism in this thread is depressing, it's no wonder fewer people come here anymore.
So? Are you asking us to keep our chin up in a hobby where the industry has been exposed to, constantly and without abandon, screw over the consumer any way they can? Where a half decent game is voraciously praised and consumed within this board because nothing else better is coming out?
Come the fuck on faggot.
The actual reason for Holla Forums to actively encourage piracy, is because Holla Forums is a jaded lover, and does the only thing he can do to spite his unrequited love.
Wouldn't piracy be rape in that comparison?
Way to distinguish yourself from the pack
you really know how to push buttons.
I'm just one autist outnumbered by a million rich normalfags. My ten bux don't tell anything to a company that will just backstab my favorite games to cater to an exterior lowest common denominator. Everything i like is already dead.
Go to cuckchan if you want your 5000 PPM fire-and-forget threads, nigger.
It is the industry's fault, and their problem. Not ours.
They started, we reacted.
And guess what? We can always get their products for free, in due time.
They are the ones forever fucked by their own stupidity.
And they still won't buy games.
They will spend money on something else instead.
As for whales themselves, they run for the next big thing that they can shove in the face of others to say "bought all of it", so they are a completely unstable crowd.
Companies that sell millions also lose millions with a simple move from some few whales to the next company.
No. We will get it for free.
Pirating has nothing to do with sending a message.
We pirate because it is the best solution for us.
And there is nothing that you can do to stop us.
Deal with it.
And stop getting video games for free at the expense of idiots working on this shitty industry?
Never.
True.
and another reason to never pay for video games.
Playing video games is a good thing.
Paying for video games is a mistake.
Corporate shill exposed and reported.
More and more people come here and more and more consumers are adopting our cynical view.
The industry is being shaped by us, and your company, whatever it is, will bow to it all or end. And there is nothing that you can do about it.
Buying games blindly is considered a bad thing on Holla Forums.
Reviews are bought and paid for, screenshots and footage are bullshots, and with Aliens: Colonial Marines even playable demos are unindicative of a game's final quality (A:CM's demo having more polish than the final product at the same segment).
On top of that, DRM models such as Denuvo are actively pushing paying customers with rootkits and real time data checks slowing down the system while pirates are just waiting an extra day to get it free and clear.
The only way to be an informed consumer at this point is to pirate a game and purchase a copy if you like it.
There are many retarded anwer, jesus Holla Forums is this cuckchan, don't you even know why you don't buy most games?
Anyways here's a short answer: it's bad when you buy shit games, by buying shit games you give a green light to develop other shit games.
That's literally what happened with the industry and shit taste normalfags that ruined everything; you wallet is your vote
Kind of, though I think if Holla Forums had the spine to do something like that, they'd either be making their own games or cracking games themselves.
i.e. jews that aren't big enough to jew you safely yet.
thanks fam-pai
It's because most people here are NEETs and mom stopped giving them money to buy games about 3 years ago so they have no other choice but to download them.
Wow how booty blasted are you about making a bad thread you felt you had to say this? Did you toss and turn all night nursing your butt hurt because some Anons turned one of your shill threads into a doubles get?
Simple solution to not look like a fag, OP: buy games from devs you want to support but if you want to post a thread about it and not look like a bundle of stick post a magnet along with your pussy gushing over the game/dev. There, everyone's happy. You don't look like a shill, you get to support your pet devs and you get to talk about your game, though you're still gonna get a dose of shitposting because liking things/fun triggers some people's autism. If you can't handle shit posting, have you tried reddit?
>A lot of ideas and concepts are never realised because people that are interested in them just pirate games, and normalfags keep buying asscreed clones so they could buy more asscreed clones.
Actually, the U.N. suppressed a study that revealed that piracy actually increases game sales.
That's why I buy the games as direct I can.
Why make our own games, when getting games from greedy companies for free and keeping the good ones while giving nothing to soyboy devs is as much fun as playing the games themselves?
We have the money and the choice to buy.
And we chose not to buy, but get them for free instead.
And you can't do anything about it.
Still can't have our money, corporate soyboy.
But we can have all your games for free.
Individuals think differently, and thus, no single game will be lauded as good by everyone.
Here is not a hugbox.
As for supporting devs, how about no?
They will become the next greedy corporations when they have any support.
Eh, I will buy things as long as I consider them wortwhile and I think they are from an alright publisher.
I will never buy anything EA because that's like injecting nutritients into cancer cells to let them grow cancer.
Because it's my money why would I willingly give it up. :)
Buy games you like to support
pirate games you don't want to support
that's all.
This is a shit thread and OP is retarded
So people who pay are actually double taxed for their time and money?
Well shit. It fits in 3 MB.
I only buy shmup/STG games tbh
Poverty. That's the only real answer.
Which is fine, I'm not judging. Everyone should play games regardless of financial status.
Nailed it. Amazing how people thing $60 is normal price for a game.
Because every fucking dev that seemed even somewhat good as been going around and fucking everything up lately for a bigger playerbase that doesn't fucking exist.
That's why faggot.
Ok
And you lost me.
Well done, user. You have shown everyone of worth here the scale of the problem.
Apart for some valid reasons posted (like DRM or games just being shit in general) you have a bunch of dirty faggot commies who leech of on society in general. Pay them no mind
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What is it with OP's making a thread, asking a retarded simple question and then taking the first post they agree with to any extent as the most basic truth and then leaving? Anybody else noticing this trend? It's almost like they just wanted to ask a question so they could make a thread and put as little effort into said thread as they could. I guess it's better than 1 and done shit but still.
Your standards aren't too high, they're too low.
Retard tier argument. Very often you figure out something is bad not at the very start but in the middle.
Then you realize you wasted your time and your time had no positive value to you at all.
But you cannot know this unless you buy or pirate. The only painless option is piracy.
Why should I send my money overseas?
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I buy most of my games. I buy them used. Not from gamestop, but independent stores. Only a handful of games I own are new.
Personally, my parameters for buying a game largely has to do whether or not it's fun, replayable, base game having a ton of content before buying DLC or includes it. I rarely buy DLC or any extra stuff. I don't play games that have devs or publishers that suck your wallet dry, especially F2P MMOs. SJW (heavy, don't care about lite) devs are a no go area, goes without saying.
And stroke their small e-cocks? No fucking way.
Now this is pure cancer
Nice one, user.
I will start to do this too.
Fuck devs.
Those are corporate suits gathering data. Nothing new.
That is the reason why you should always answer with the harsh truth, and never bow to their shills.
Games are pirated because we want it that way and the industry tried too many times to harm it's own consumers.
If companies don't like it, fuck them. They are nothing.
Add to that the fact that many games have pieces of shit as developers, that only reveal themselves as garbage after the game release.
Never knowing how a individual will turn out to be after he receives your money is reason enough to never give any money at all to him.
Case in point:
why are people on 8ch such massive shyfags?
It's not really bad. Moralfags just want to make it out to be some form of protest, when it's really just about getting free shit. That's the way I see it anyway. I'm getting free shit, I'm not downloading anything because I actually believe I can even make a dent in the video game industry.
Buying games is bad in the sense that even if you don't have a problem with the game or it's content. around 90% of the casual base will bitch.
games are not catered towards people who'll actually play them. the developers try to sell their product to flavour of the month people because they're the majority.
thats why most of the time you hear complaints about muh "toxic" not because these people are SJW's. but because they're pansies who take the internet too seriously.
this is why most games are dying because the casuals who openly poison the games online section just move from game to game and they get the attention while other players get kicked for "griefing" and "being too good at the game"
I've bought games that deserve it, for discounts of course because while they deserved money, they certainly don't deserve $60. I've also bought games that didn't deserve money, and learned from it.
Simply put, most games aren't worth paying for. Some times, I want to try things for one reason or another, to see how bad something is or experiment with a new genre, but if Piracy was not an option, I would simply skip out on those games.
Because it gives plausible deniability of any sort of argumentative credential to shitpost about game you haven't played because everyone else say's you're supposed to hate it/you are a faggot and don't understand you can not reply to threads you don't like instead of entirely missing the point of an anonymous image board.
I'll buy a game when they start making good ones again, fuck you.
I'll buy a game if it's something I actively want to support the creation of. If it's some game I really don't give a fuck about and am just trying out for the hell of it I'll just pirate. I honestly don't pirate much these days anyways (unless you count emulation, but nobody does)
So did you sleep through all of 2017?
It is?! Since when?!
Good games? Which ones?
What are you gonna shill? The four generic open world RPGs that came out? The poorly executed soulless Rare-vivals?
Snake Pass was okay, and so was Cuphead, but that's about it. You speak as if 2017 was some sort of fucking golden year.
Reddit runs deep.
Post the last dev you supported
Reikon Games - Ruiner
you?
My lord and savior Jesus Christ.
illwinter - Dom5
call it a meme game if you must, but it's the best at a very niche mix of 4x and wargames
The moralfag is a meme.
We get everything for free because it is the best option in an industry infested with subhumans that want to scam their own customers.
If this attitude is good only for us, it is the industry's problem, not ours. They created the need for this environment.
We spent, and the industry did not deliver.
Thus, now we just get everything without compensating them.
True.
As long as there is not a way to guarantee that Gamers won't be put on a pedestal by the companies, there is no reason to give money to those companies. If the consumer is not a king, them there shall be no profit at all.
Nippon Ichi. The first Disgaea, for PS2.
After that, i have been only pirating since then. Never paid for a single game since that one.
And i only get consoles via smuggling.
Two reasons:
1. The industry is refusing to adapt. We live in a world where you can buy a computer game for 20 bucks and it'll keep you entertained for 20 hours or more. Hell, FREE games can keep you entertained for 20 hours or more. The idea of charging 60 dollars for a 5 hour or so experience, usually with parts cut out of it and re-sold as DLC, is absurd. The industry needs to start cutting the fat way back if it wants to survive, or else really start earning that 60 dollar price tag with something you really can't get anywhere else. And considering the creatively bankrupt state of the AAA industry right now, the odds of that are low at best. It's simple supply and demand; the supply is high, so the value goes down. The demand is also high, but with digital distribution that is not really a big problem anymore.
2. Hey remember demos? Companies used to release them for free so that players could try games out before spending some of their hard-earned money on them! For some reason they don't do that anymore! Maybe it's because they don't have faith that their games will actually sell if you get to try them out before you've invested your money into them? Either way, I'm sure as hell not going to throw money at a game when I don't even know if it's going to be fun. You know why Undertale sold gangbusters? It wasn't the fucking art style, there's shitloads of pixelshit going around. It wasn't the marketing, because other than some people talking about it on the fucking Homestuck forums, there really wasn't any. It was because it had a really fucking good demo, that powerfully showcased the unique aspects of the game, and made a good impression on people. So they shared it, and the people they shared it with played it, and it got discussed and spread. THIS IS NOT A HARD CONCEPT TO UNDERSTAND. Bring back demos, for fuck's sake.
I have no problem paying €70 for a JRPG. Those games are niche, and for such a small potential customer base every sales matters.
The whole "if you price it at €20 you will sell more copies" is actually untrue for non mainstream games.
needs bump
I'm just strongly against paying money for anything. Pit and Ness are my video game heroes just because they eat food off the floor and out of the trash. This is why capitalism is great, it gives me a choice not to have something, and to not pay for it if I don't want to.
The best thing about capitalism is profiting and amounting money but almost never spending it (only spending in unavoidable emergencies), while getting everything else (sold by others) for free, denying them the chance to make a profit while still acquiring their products and services.
Some years ago Holla Forums got hit really hard with a bunch of guerrilla marketing companies, they engulfed almost 1/3 of the entire board with shilling threads about the games they were trying to sell, along with them some indie devs started shilling their games making threads that looked like normal anons wanting to discuss the game, but with a steam link and the thinly veiled message to go buy the game before even discussing it.
In trying to fight all this faggotry the anons of Holla Forums decided to always put a link for the pirate version, and if someone didn't put the link in the OP there was a very high chance of it being a guerrilla market shill or a indie dev himself shilling his game, so we shitposted the thread, if it was a normal user they would go around making a new thread later with the link and people would discuss the game normally (and the discussion level rose as people that didn't bought the game had the chance to test it out and make a better, more personal opinion of the game)
That's the gist of it OP, until all shills die, always provide a link for the pirate version, also, if a dev wants to discuss his game here and put a link for his game, he also gain points by believing enough in his game to know that piracy will not harm him anyway, so there is that too.
Because Holla Forumseddit is just a bunch of underage kids without a job, and therefore can't afford vidya.
user, you can't reason with stupid.
so the trick to getting away with shilling is to provide a torrent?
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A good videogame dev shouldn't be caring wether I'm buying his game or pirating it.
A good dev would be making a game because he has a vision for something he likes, and he wants to create that vision regardless of wether it will make him rich or wether people will even like his game.
I only consider giving my money to people who respect creativity for the sake of creativity
I just bought a game, it was crap. I wish I had pirated it.
Yes.
There were devs that were open about shilling their games and provided torrent/megas knowing full well that nobody here is willing to buy their shit.
Enlarging game's actual audience > sales.
This. Good devs only care about more people playing their games, doesn't matter pirated or not. It still adds to playerbase.
Gotta do research my man.
It happened with me with Dark Souls 2. Fuck that game sideways. Now I only buy shit I pirated first to make sure I like it.
You shouldn’t give money to communists. Incidentally, 99.9% of game devs are commies who deserve to burn.
Anyway, there are some cases I personally think that not buying at all is always justified.
The original devs are long gone and now all sales money goes straight into the pocket of some random faggot that owns the IP and either will never do anything with it or will only make abortions to cash in on the brandname while it still has some value. (E.g. STALKER)
When the devs spit out a "remastered" version that's completely shit, either there's only phone controls, obligatory filters, cut content, other types of bullshit, or any mixture of these and you can't buy the original anymore. (e.g. Duke Nukem 3D world tour, they shat out a shit version that was outdone by mods, so the only way they could sell it was by removing every single other Duke Nukem 3D for sale.)
Sometimes the only version of the game for sale are 900 dollars copies sold on ebay. Even if you buy it, the money won't go to the devs, there's no problem in pirating here. (e.g. virtually any pre-1990 game)
Also, pirating to try a game is completely fine. You can test drive a car, you can try on clothes, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to know how a game plays before buying it.
I hope you apply some form of standard to the shit you buy, because if you don't you really need to evaluate your mental condition.
Citation needed. And while you're at it, prove that they do better when they're priced higher.
I can't really consider it shilling if they provide their game for free by means of a torrent or the like. Shilling implies wanting to sell something.
I wouldn't mind if we had more devs that came here to talk about their game if they stopped trying to play underhanded games or hide the fact that they are actually the dev and want people here to take notice of their game. Even if you don't provide the game for free, as long as you want to discuss it and take feedback you're way above some underhanded shill just trying to blatantly sell things.
Because everybody here are communists.
This. Holla Forums has been overrun with /trannypol/ immigrants
I'd say $5 per 10 hours is good enough for me, personally. then again, unlike Holla Forums, I work and go outside and have responsibilities. I barely have time to play vidya as is. took me a month to finish Yakuza Kiwami at 48 hours, 66% completion. now I gotta do 0, then emulate 2, to prepare for Yakuza 6. And thats like 1% of my overall backlog
corporate shills shittin on small devs as usuall
happens everythime a good indie game comes out
Those.
Always pirate.
All true.
And they MUST burn.
We are capitalists that get games for free because we can.
Still can't have our money, cucks.
But we can have all your games without paying you.
Stay mad.
Good or indie.
You can't have both.
Making person play your game IS a successful sale from the perspective of the creator.
It's not only from the perceptive of the corporation/jew that didn't produce the product in the first place and in it only for the money.
Though it's a semantic argument, and I agree with you that devs that are honest and passionate about their games should always be welcome and there will always be people that will buy their shit.
Yes we am.
Vermintide 2 also uses easy spyware instead of any other legitimate anti-cheat or none since it's a fucking PvE game
lol
Found the (((shill)))
What is Divinity Original SIn
What is Kindom Come Deliverance
What is Shadowrun Hong Kong
What is Shovel Knight
What is Hollow Knight
and there are still many more
many of these, if not all, were on Kikestarter (Wich oftten gets shat on around here, and rightly so)
What are those?
All shit. That is what they are.
And sure, i am a shill advocating for complete piracy and no purchase at all. Makes sense, right?
Fuck off, cuck.
You won't have our money.
But we will get your games for free.
Because I'm not giving my money to a bunch of fucking kikes and anyone who does is part of the problem. I can and do buy games, quite happily in fact, but I always do it secondhand so I won't enrich the merchants.
So hows it feel being a leech on your parents?
Aren't you arguably worse than those faggot antifa because, unlike them, you're not doing anything with your life or meeting women?
Hell, when was the last time you even had fun?
only shit here is you taste and your shill level
go right ahead, nobody is stopping you from supporting/boycoting the industry you love/hate
i'm a dirt poor spic niger with such a devaluated currency that one dollar is a fortune around here yet i still like to support devs who made stuff i like so they have incentive to make more of it, if you don't have enough foresight to financially suport the stuff you aproove of, then you are clearly the niggest one in this conversation
There are three instances where piracy is justified:
Otherwise, its actually a really stupid move to present yourself as someone whose interests cannot be profited from. Really, anyone who insists that no vidya is worth buying is in any position to then complain that the industry isn't trying to pander to them. And yeah that's a vicious circle, tough shit, if you really think the industry is that beyond repair why show any interest in it at all?
Also don't bullshit yourself, if you don't think its worth the money to buy then you don't think its worth the time to play either.
(you)
silly thread onegai
If you're going to spend money NEVER spend more than $20 on a game and you will never be disappointed. If the game is good of course
die
I've been playing vidya for 15 years on a PC and I've never had money to buy games until recently. So the games I bought in my life are;
Wow (for 25 bucks), FF14, FF15, ESO (got it for 10 bucks) and GTA 5 (got it for 20).
However, I'll lose my job in a week so back to pirating it is, thank God that 3ds emulator finally works.
Because of retarded PCucks forming a vocal minority and killing the industry.
I buy a couple games a year.
I like how you always post this whenever a similar thread gets started.
You support an industry that is actively against you?
Yeah, you are indeed a beaner. A complete retard by birth.
Piracy is always justifiable.
The games are worth playing.
The devs, studios and companies aren't worth my money.
The industry started to go against it's own consumers, so we reacted.
It is their problem now.
We get everything for free, manipulate the marketing so it always looks shit and harm their profits, and never pay even if the devs are ok, for they will surely turn into the next greedy pieces of shit, and also most of them are already communist garbage, so they must not receive money even if they create a masterpiece.
Stay mad.
We will become a majority soon.
The industry said that "gamers are dead" right? We kill the industry instead. Their problem now.
I bought a game once and it was horribole. Never again.
*horrible
I guarantee you've paid a far worse ratio at some point for things like movies, toys, books, or amusement park admission. I don't believe you. And if you're telling the truth, then why is your standards only so high for vidya and nothing else?
you mean the AAA industry? nah
among the AAA, i only support the very few left that are not complete shit, like Platinum Games, Ark System Works and Vanilla Ware
Mericucks are in no condition to call anyone a nigger nor a retard, seiing how they are the niggest and the most retarded
but i understand your projection
it must suck real hard to be a genetic defect doomed to suck circumsiced cock from the moment you are born
You could just say 'only Japanese devs' and you'd be just as good.
One of a kind does not mean good.
Delusional mustard race right here.
Only commies don't pay for games: don't expect shit for free.
Not him, but i can explain for myself: we became aware of how all of those prices for other entertainment are scams. Just because something was done before, it does not mean that we must keep doing it forever.
We paid for those other forms of entertainment in a time when we did not have information about them.
Now, we know who makes them, and for what purpose, and that justifies not spending money on them anymore.
And if someone has a higher standard for just one type of entertainment, it is his choice. His money, his rules.
Companies try to scam us to get our money all the time. Now we are in an age where we know to avoid that, and we have the means to do so, AND still get the products (sometimes, even the services) without giving money to those that declared us their enemies.
The whole industry is corrupt and hates it's customers. It is not just the AAA companies.
As for your examples, one of them illustrate what i said: Arc System recently opened office in California, and in their official twitter, they praised Reset Era, the new den of communists. All companies eventually become the new greedy and anti-consumer ones, and you can bet that Arc Systems, along with the others, will do this.
No one in the industry deserves our money.
But their games are sometimes good, so it is ok to get them all without paying.
And you are talking about kikes? that is what they are. As for true americans (White Americans), those that aren't leftists are superior to your whole shitty race, as are all countries that are not shitholes like your beaner infested garbage dump.
Stay mad and poor, as your life is shit for who you are, you subhuman.
We will.
There is no better deal than getting products for free. more and more people are turning to pc because of all the PR fuck ups, as well as overall greediness of console companies.
You still can't have our money, corporate cuck.
And we will always get your products (and now, even services) for free.
There is nothing that you can do about it.
Here comes the corporate shill.
Enjoying your lack of profit?
I am a capitalist. I have plenty of disposable income. And i still don't buy games. I get them all for free.
Because i can, and you can't do anything about it.
Guess what? All games that i want, i get without paying, while amount money from my business and living a good life, while game companies never get to profit from me, but i get to have fun playing their games and owning them without paying them.
Stay mad.
Not him, but i can explain for myself: we became aware of how all of those prices for other entertainment are scams. Just because something was done before, it does not mean that we must keep doing it forever.
We paid for those other forms of entertainment in a time when we did not have information about them.
Now, we know who makes them, and for what purpose, and that justifies not spending money on them anymore.
And if someone has a higher standard for just one type of entertainment, it is his choice. His money, his rules.
Companies try to scam us to get our money all the time. Now we are in an age where we know to avoid that, and we have the means to do so, AND still get the products (sometimes, even the services) without giving money to those that declared us their enemies.
The whole industry is corrupt and hates it's customers. It is not just the AAA companies.
As for your examples, one of them illustrate what i said: Arc System recently opened office in California, and in their official twitter, they praised Reset Era, the new den of communists. All companies eventually become the new greedy and anti-consumer ones, and you can bet that Arc Systems, along with the others, will do this.
No one in the industry deserves our money.
But their games are sometimes good, so it is ok to get them all without paying.
And you are talking about kikes? What you said is what they are. As for true americans (White Americans), those that aren't leftists are superior to your whole shitty race, as are all countries that are not shitholes like your beaner infested garbage dump.
Stay mad and poor, as your life is shit for who you are, you subhuman.
We will.
There is no better deal than getting products for free. more and more people are turning to PC because of all the PR fuck ups, as well as overall greediness of console companies.
You still can't have our money, corporate cuck.
And we will always get your products (and now, even services) for free.
There is nothing that you can do about it.
Here comes the corporate shill.
Enjoying your lack of profit?
I am a capitalist. I have plenty of disposable income. And i still don't buy games. I get them all for free.
Because i can, and you can't do anything about it.
Guess what? All games that i want, i get without paying, while amount money from my business and living a good life, while game companies never get to profit from me, but i get to have fun playing their games and owning them without paying for them.
Stay mad.
Because they don't give me a fucking demo.
Thats all I want. Give me the first level or first hour of your game, instead of telling me why I should like it or giving me pretty pictures let me actually see if I like it.
If you're not going to give me a demo I'm going to pirate your game to do it myself. If your game is worth the asking price you'll get it. Most games are not worth the price they expect you to pay.
The hoops that people will jump through to justify piracy under any and all circumstances is staggering. The dev might not be someone I'd enjoy spending time with, so I shouldn't compensate them for a service provided to me?
Just admit you don't give a fuck and want to keep your money. Fucking pathetic.
Well by that, the moralfag should be on your side then.if theyre not selling in good faith why should you?
It is not a matter of a moral thing.
It is just that we fully know that we are being scammed, so we steal from them instead.
Get everything that you want from the entertainment industry, without giving anything back.
They can still deceive you by putting only a small good part in the demo, while the majority of the game is shit, and then you buy it because you thought that small good part represented the overall quality of the game.
Never give money to the video games industry. Period.
A developer being a piece of shit (leftist, feminist, soyboy, shitskin, woman, etc) is reason enough to never give any money to it.
But if their products or services are good enough, it is ok to get (or to use) them for free, without compensating the piece of shit.
Yes, a developer being someone that i don't like DOES justify not paying them while still getting for free what they provide.
Stay mad, cuck.
You won't get our money.
But we will always get what you provide, without paying you, and still defaming you, your company and all of your products and services if you are someone that we don't like.
Because the industry is shit and should be left to rot.
Do you know how economy works, or are you one of those couch potato bolsheviks that is pissed off by the concept of things costing money?
Voting with your wallet only works if you selectively reward those who do well, the incentive for them being a monetary compensation. If you give them nothing then the whole thing will wither on the vine, or else they will switch their focus to people who do pay them, normalfag garbage eaters on mobile and Chinese antmen. Really, this mindset doesn’t encourage anything to get better, all it does is make things worse.
In that case go right ahead.
Yes, and?
In short, this:
We do that because we can and we want it that way. It does not matter what is sacrificed in this. We already have plenty of old games to play for the rest of our lives. So if everything ends, we will still be satisfied.
We can demand, without delivering compensation, and still harm the industry when our demands aren't met.
What do you think that you can do about it, corporate cuck?
We can lie to the devs to our benefit, the same way that they lie to us.
We can promise whole lots of support, only to take everything from them and run away without paying.
We can do it whenever we feel like it, which is always.
And guess what? We are the only ones truly interested in video games. All other consumers are cattle that follow the fad of the moment, which now happens to be video games. This cattle will quickly flock to the next fad, taking down many of the devs, studios and companies that depend on them.
The only ones that will still be left interested in video games are us.
The whole industry tried to scam it's own customers for many years.
The industry is now paying the price for it.
If it destroys it completely, it is their problem. We don't care about them. Only about having our games.
If you are a dev, you are stuck with us forever.
And we don't give a fuck about you.
We only care to take whatever we can from you, and leave you rotting.
That is a good thing. For us.
And nothing will change that.
Your post reminds me of the whole "money pushes the mod community" shit gayben tried to push.
Also, I want the industry to collapse, you fucking shit eater. You calling it out doesn't make it less true or reasonable.
Like it or not, most of the time the money isn't going to a developer. The less games you buy from a publisher, the sooner the industry will go back to being good. Also leftykikes deserve no money.
There's nothing wrong with pirating games, but people who lose it because somebody bought a game not from Ubisoft or Bioshit or equally douchey company really baffle me. Even old games. Is it that hard to believe that some of us have little else to spend our money on than videogames? We're on a video board!
Having disposable income and nothing else to buy does not mean that you have to buy video games.
Keep your money.
Get used to never buying.
Soon, you will be free from the custom of buying on impulse.
Buy what you NEED.
What you WANT, get it for free.
Pirates are scum and should be banned from Holla Forums on sight.
Still mad, impotent soyboy?
We will keep pirating everything, and you have no power to stop it.
The absolute state of Holla Forums
I see the difference between pirating games and actually doing something harmful to the business simialr to the difference between jacking off on photos of someone and raping them.
Piss off.
That's an interesting analogy.
Pretty much what said. Get to know your developers and resist the urge to pick up a game on day 1. Wait for unpaid sources to share their two cents on the product and, if you're still on the fence, give it a pirate. If you like it, support the devs by buying a copy. If you don't like it, shitpost about it on Holla Forums.
The thing is, i am a capitalist that does everything possible to never pay, while i always sell.
Stay mad soyboy.
You won't have my money.
And you won't have others' money as well.
But we will all have your games for free.
And yo are impotent to do anything about it.
Raping is not wrong, user.
Nor is harming the whole industry.
The games industry brought it upon themselves.
There is nothing greater than getting all games from them without giving anything in return.
This is a good thing. For us.
as for the industry, to hell with them.
Even simpler: if you are going to buy, buy good japanese games. Pirate everything else.
This is the only good advice ITT.
Weebs need to die.
Name one from the last four years then. I'll wait.
I can't name a good western game that came out in the last 2 years.
There aren't good western games.
What will die is the western industry.
I'm very selective about games I buy. At most I buy 3 or 4 games a year. Some years I don't buy any games. I only buy games if I think the dev is genuinely trying to make a fun game and doesn't cave to other people who try and demand stupid things from him. Devs who stick to their vision and make good games are worth supporting. And of course if I don't like the game I don't buy it either, the game has to appeal to me. I won't just buy games because I think the devs are alright, the game has to be good or at least decent and try something different.
Faggots like this are just morons who don't care if new games are good or not. I agree the industry is fucked at the moment but saying that it's not worth advancing the medium (in regards to game design, not that faggy "games are art" bullcrap) is just retarded. Innovations in vidya are a good thing an perfectly possible, just not when it's AAA studios slaving away their life to satisfy the shareholders or when it's indie devs that care more about being special snowflakes than making a good, fun game. We just have to wait a bit longer for something good to come along.
But i agree that it's just the west what's going to die. When people say shit like 'the gaming industry is going to crash', they're really just boosting it's death on the west while japan carries on and regains control of it, as it should be.
This last time it was just a North American video games crash and it let to Nintendo being dominant. If it happened again with the same thing I'd be 100% happy. The slavs are still making good games too.
It's not. But supporting developers that practice shitty choices (microtransactions in full-priced games, cutting content to later sell as DLC, intentionally gimping their own looks or engine because "mods will fix it", etc) is a bad thing. There's games that should be supported, but there are also devs that should not if only on principle of that whole "let your wallet decide" thing.
The vidya crash almost killed the industry its not worth having that again.
RIP CA and Paradox, I was once happy to give you my money.
This one hurts the most
At the end of the day, devs need to keep the lights on somehow. These days it's only viable by appealing to the lowest denominator.
Nobody except SocJus cares about virtue signaling, they don't play or buy games so they demographically don't actually matter. This cunt right here? She only got these to pose for a picture.
SJWs only latch to what's popular at the given moment. They don't bitch about niche Japanese games for example that should logically according to their ideology have them fuming, unless an odd one accidentally comes to their attention.
Because games have been declining ever since the Xbox 360 released. Video game development has gone backwards instead of focusing on skill and fun. Games today are made for the lowest common denominator, abusing their dopamine levels by gratifying them with easy wins and accomplishments. There is a reason why many people love Dark Souls and it has the fans it does and I'm not even a Soulsfag. Challenge is done right so when you finally succeed the rush is even higher, making you want to do it all over again.
Level design in games today are trash.
Stories are trash.
The gameplay, trash.
Nonexistent challenge.
Overpriced and overproduce, they only look good.
etc.
600 hours is just too fucking extreme. The only game that I have put that many hours in is Counter Strike which surprisingly doesn't cost that much, it goes to show that having good gameplay will make your game last. What I think happened is that most games today are done with the intention of you finishing them quickly so you can buy the next iteration. Or elongating them on purpose, adding lootboxes and whatnot to milk the whales. As opposed to games in the '80's/'90's/early 2000 where it was all about mastering the gameplay.
I must have something in my mind that makes me immune to advertisement and hype. It has never ever caught me. Don't get me wrong, I've purchase games in the past when they came out, but not due to hype, I just wasn't aware of doing research and forming my own opinions and developing my tastes.
That woman I just showed is Anita Sarkeesian, she has quite literally fucked every single guy in every indie circle who had the most influence. Then after fucking them used her pussy to promise sex if they do things her way, she's also fucked her way into a position where she can make dumb speeches to the UN with her friend Zoe Quinn the same woman who is directly connected to all this shit. My pciture is low quality so you can just barely make out Zoe Quinn but all that red is people she's directly connected with, and the other lines are alos direct connections but are not in her "friend's circle".
SJWs run fucking deep man.
The graph in question.
Not the people buying the games, but the soyim in the industry does. Sure, maybe when there's SJW kvetching over some offensive game it gets that game free publicity, but they where only kvetching in the first place because the game was out of their control. The next time around they'll just blacklist and fuck with the devs silently to drown them out. Not to mention the out of touch suits at the top see pandering to them as free publicity, so they will always appeal to SJWs until the SJWs cross the normalfag line, where it becomes too radical and starts backfiring. All of this influences sales at the end of the day.
Sure a studio might make a landmark game, but not every single one of their games is going to be ground-breaking unless they're the second coming of LGS. It's something I've been thinking about for a long time. Most studios first or second game is mediocre, until they hit their landmark title. Current studios either are trapped with no budget or they're overblown AAA which is essentially trying to mimic Hollywood.
At the end of the day SJWs have much more influence, while on here we have shit like this which encourages time sinks like MobAs where everyone has +2k hours, which is funny considering how much everyone on here bitches about MobAs.
I doubt they're that deep in. Her dad's a fucking arms dealer for the military industrial complex. Do you think any of those connections will matter when daddy isn't around and the money runs out?
I wish that the idiot who posted that graph cap putted it in a higher resolution and reuploaded the full image before he disappeared, the names on that graph before it was scrambled is pretty much everyone who matters on the indie scene circa 2016. And that's just a fucking fragment of the original image which was in practical terms fucking huge, I am not speaking hyperbole when I say they are in every level of every single area in the vidya industry at large.
Anbita's section is even bigger then Zoe Quinn's since it's tied to various interest groups who fund her directly via proxies.
I don't pirate anymore because this notice from my ISP scared me.
They're all artificially propped up by a failing industry and universally resented by their consumers. How long do systems like that last? They'll lose influence although slowly. It isn't easy to stay at the top, especially when you do nothing and have so much exposure for how corrupt you are.
Pretty much for as long as they're funded.
Let me guess, you were torrenting with no proxy or VPN?
Yes because it takes literal days to dl a 4 gig game through such shit connections. You also have to pay money for a good VPN, so you may as well just buy the games. Nobody pirates so many games that a VPN actually pays itself off every single month
How long do you think that's going to last for?
Social Justice is already at meme status. It's moving from fake controversy built on lies to normalfags just getting flat out sick of it. And just think of how SJWs operate. The majority of them are Liberal Arts majors with no transferable skills working at starbucks, with the ones who do land a job as a tabloid writer slowly losing relevance as streamers and youtubers take over the normalfag audience. Just wait until advertisers discover they buy clicks from China. Even the ones who can actually do things, such as programmers, still sabotage themselves in the name of ideology. If there is ever an event that would cause hard times, like a recession, bankrupcy, Trump fucking with California, etc, who do you think is getting laid off? Their culture is not sustainable. The only ones who will remain are trust fund babys past their prime with a declining and ageing following.
They're so volatile it's insane they've lasted this long. Look at something like the GOP. Everyone hated them except for boomers and they've essentially ruined the face of the republican party. They all played it super safe and stay within their boundaries, only to have their whole house of cards come falling down because someone used this against them.
I know who she is and I knew how easy it is for particularly devious women to fuck their way into power and wealth if they just fuck the right men ever since college where I had one girl who used to work a six figure salary as a nightclub manager before age 19 without any management skills while also flying private jets due to dating one of the richest spoiled bachelors in my country. It's hilarious that normalfags believe in a just world hypothesis.
If you spend enough time around normalfags you notice that they don't actually believe most of the shit that they say. Normalfags know damn well that the game is rigged, they just spout normalfag memes like "just b urself :^)" and "u can suckseed if u trie harder :^)". Normalfags live a day in day out struggle to fit in so they don't get shunned and lose access to whatever it is they want (pussy, shekels, attention, etc.). If any NEETs are listening: you really aren't missing much by staying in the basement.
I only really buy games I can see myself putting a shitload of time into (e.g. becoming a game I play regularly), or for the convenience of having access to updates. If I'd only play through something once or twice I don't bother unless it has a pretty generous sale on.
I wouldn't download games over a VPN even if I already had one for anonymity purposes.
the problem is you don't support the devs you like when you buy, you support the greedy publisher fucking them over which convinces them their methods worked
Oh they're absolutely all about appearances. This is why when you hear of lottery winners who may win over a million bucks but will still somehow burn through it in a few months because they find it inconceivable that they'd keep it wisely and get interest or something from it, they need to show off to the world that they be rich now. This is also why they're so obnoxious with their public displays of affection, so they can show off that they're not below Chad.
I am the same. Most oldfags are.
This is something I could never stand.
you realize 90% of "gamers" play call of battlefall right?
people IRL knowing about any of those titles are extremely rare
americans everyone
It really depends. Some game like Ace Attorney titles on the DS really needed to be bought instead of being victims (like many good games, gems or even AAA on the Nintendo DS, really) of piracy. Because of that we know how messy things got around 2010-2011 with AAI
There is absolutely no reason for anybody to purchase digital media when he could just as easily get it for free barring always online or multiplayer.
Just like how there is absolutely no reason for publishers to make good games when they can just appeal to the lowest denominator that probably doesn't even know piracy is a thing.
They won't do anything though, C&D letters are just hot air.
I'm a born communist but your western kind is annoying both online and in real life, so infantile. Have you ever done anything worthwhile to "the revolution"?
Are you just going to ignore the entire point of his post, faggot? He said fun.
This idea that only games you can sink huge amounts of time into are worthwhile is like some miniature version of the fear of death. Games don't have to be time-sinks to be enjoyable. I've only played through System Shock 3 times but I place it among my favorites. Similarly I've enjoyed 7DRLs and other short games, it's the little things in life, everything doesn't need to become a big part of your gaming "portfolio". I certainly appreciate games that remain entertaining for unhealthy amounts of time but the idea only they meet some arbitrary fun/dollar spent standard is either a very flimsy justification for pirating games (which no one gives a shit about anyway) or you're just virtue signalling.
"We just have to wait a bit longer for something good to come along."
And then, pirate it. There is no not a single valid reason to by video games.
As soon as the small, innovative studios get money, they try to become the next greedy corporations.
Stopping the medium is a good thing, when the fall is inevitable.
Exactly. The only ones allowed to make games must be the ones that at least let a "anything goes" market to be the norm, as the japanese do.
Western devs just want to control how Gamers play a game, or impose politics, or virtue signal.
It is. For the sole purpose of extinguishing shitty companies.
It is better to have nothing than to have shit.
This is the fate of any small studio that gets paid for their products in this industry.
They grow to become virtue signaling marxists and turn their studios into greedy corporations.
Never spend money on video games at all. Acquire games and anything related to them for free.
Which makes imperative to ruin all those devs.
When they started to pander to lowlifes is where their quality fell and it became useless to spend money on their products.
Always pirate. Never buy.
When you support the devs that you like they become the next greedy pieces of shit.
Buying games is the same as directly funding anti-consumer corporations at this point.
It is stupid to be a slave of "if i don't buy, my enemies will prosper", for in today's world, as soon as you support an "ally", he becomes your enemy and uses the money that you gave him to fuck you.
Where is the proof of those (fake) 90%?
Piracy is good for everyone but those in the industry, so it is ok. Nothing is "a victim" of piracy.
Which makes imperative to spread the practice of piracy to all.
If the fun does not last large amounts of time, it is never worth paying for it.
Yet I'll bet you buy confectionery.
I don't buy almost anything that i want, user.
I get.
Just buy what you wanna see more of, simple as that. It's a vote, not a hard purchase. I rarely buy AAA garbage. Most of the stuff I fork over money for is niche.
And then, those responsible for what i like will turn into greedy corporatives.
This was proven time and time again, even in the japanese industry.
It is pretty much guaranteed in the western industry.
Never paying for games and getting all games for free is the better option.
If their next product sucks, have bad business practices or they have an official stance on a topic I don't like, I won't buy it. I've been buying the nep games on PC since they started coming out. So far so good. Even the rebirth trilogy was DRM free and had a GOG release.
Generally if I feel like I don't want to give money to X product/company then I probably shouldn't even be bothering with the game, as there's something out there that does appeal to me and is worth buying. This is why I very rarely pirate games and when I do it's out of curiosity rather than an actual desire to play it. I pirated FFXV recently (been months since my last pirate) and I regret it. 100GB of complete fucking garbage gameplay and abysmal performance. So why even bother?
I only buy games if the multiplayer is worth it. If the single player experience is the only thing good about the game, I don't think it deserves any money from me, because it is unlikely I will ever play it again, unless it is really replayable or has several endings, which makes it little more more worth than a renting, no matter how good the game actually is, because I will most likely delete it from my HD after I am done with it
This is one of the reasons why horrible multiplayer is being added to everything now.
Capitalism, user, good content will get rewarded, shitty tacked on bs will die out withing months, if not weeks
I support this, we might get a gem or two out of this practice
Multiplayer added so people like you buy it instead of pirating isn't 'good content', it's practically DRM via game design. It also makes no difference if it 'dies out' since the game has already been bought, and that ain't vanishing from the company's wallet.
Out of what practice? Every game having online parts for business reasons? Yeah, you might get a gem here and there, just like you get good single player games every now and then, too. Difference is, you only support the online ones, hence why we see more of them. Thanks for contributing to the cancer that is the modern video game industry.
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Do you not see how delusional your posts are? The more piracy there is the more pandering to lowlifes there will be. Even if a meaningful amount of people pirated AAA will simply resort to games that cannot be pirated. Multiplayer games on a private server they can shut down at any moment and streaming games. How many good games where made because of piracy?
Because sometimes, even the worst of the greedy suits can produce a good game. So it is worth getting them for free.
But it is never worth paying for devoted devs from small studios that are guaranteed to become greedy suits later.
And that is why a push for the complete end of the industry is preferable than supporting it.
I'm not talking about getting the industry to improve or means to make things better.
I'm talking about them either giving (some of) us everything the way that we want it or face constant and increasing damage until everything ends for them.
And we will still have older games to play for our whole lives.
Increasing damage? Pushing an end to the industry? I find it funny how pirates always argue that piracy doesn't effect sales, yet here you are talking about bringing down an industry that has essentially forgotten about you. What you're doing is the equivalent to liberals changing their facebook profile picture for a week to support x movement.
Last I checked the cancer is pretty successful. Sure a completely soulless and awful clones like lawbreakers will bomb, or a corporations blind greed like EAs lootcrate shit will backfire. But at the end of the day the cancer is still going strong. The industry is adapting on new ways to syphon money out of normalfags, so even if half the consumers pirated, which will never happen, you'd still have the idiots spend their life savings on cosmetics and jpegs, or the ones blowing their paycheck on trash they don't need.
Pirates aren't one person.
Each have their own opinions.
Mine is: fuck the industry. Steal from them. Let them burn.
The thing is, soyboy, that i was a consumer in this industry. Then they shifted their focus on groups that I don't approve, therefore, i take any oportunity to ruin the industry.
The industry is made for us, no matter if those on the industry like it or not, and as soon as they turned their backs on us, it became ok to ruin them WHILE getting their products.
We want the products.
We get them.
And we still demand them to carve to us.
Yes.
Because we can.
As for normalfags, nothing that killing some won't solve.