If/when the Palestinians win back all of their '48 territory ("one democratic state")...

If/when the Palestinians win back all of their '48 territory ("one democratic state"), what stops Zionist landlords from buying up units in East Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Hebron, Teko'a, Shilo, and all the other "holy" Jewish places in Palestinian lands in order to rent specifically to rich Jews moving in from the west?

Basically, what good is a "one state solution" for Palestine without a massive land reform?

Also, how are places that are almost entirely Jewish (like the settlements which exist today) going to be racially integrated, especially when most of the WB settlements are specifically meant as religious settlements where nearly every settler is ultra-orthodox and everything is catered towards the ultra-orthodox way of life? A OSS would de facto keep the settlements in place as there would be no reason to destroy them or evacuate the Zionist settlers already living there. You NEED a Mugabe-tier land reform if the Palestinians are to get back what was stolen from them, there's no other way around it.

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Because that worked out soooo well in Zimbabwe.

Kill all the jews

I don't get it, your goal is to have Palestinian people own the land rather than Jewish people? Why, may I ask?

Because the Palestinians are colonized, perhaps?

So what? You want to fight for the right of a minority of Palestinians to be Bourgeois, too?
Who cares who owns the land? No one should in the first place.

National liberation comes first, m8.

Why?

Are you aware of how Palestinian communities organized the cultivation the land before the Jews came? The Zionists bought off the country with the power of capital which wasn't capitalist before.

Even the fucking crusaders left the Palestinian rural population alone. Capitalists must be destroyed.

the only solution is a single socialist state

Too bad neither the Jews nor the Palestinians seem to care all that much about socialism.

that's their problem

frankly i don't care what they do so long as they contain their spergouts to the middle east

Oh, they surely had Socialism right under Ottoman and British domination, right?

For the apartment blocks, I'd personally dig tenant-managed collectively-owned public housing to be the norm in any socialist state. If the building is democratically managed by the inhabitants and owned by the state, then as long as the state remains socialist there's no way for foreign or domestic capital to infiltrate and take it back.

The larger problem is, of course, land-buying, which could be a rather serious problem as it would replicate the conditions of the original takeover attempt. To that, I'd suggest a larger-scale program of rural development which would generally make it livable to farm. There's really simple shit like fixing the water supply which the Israelis have fucked, but in the long term community-owned modern farming machinery, collective soil development, and export boards could also increase community wealth and social solidarity to the point where nobody would really want to sell. As urban areas would likely be made up of either collectively-owned MoP in the format of your choice or similarly collectivized housing arrangements, there'd be very limited capability for market integration there.

It's the same solution I'd advocate for REGARDLESS of where you are - simply make structural barriers that make penetration by capital too unprofitable/difficult to actually happen. Zionists aren't magical at all - they're rich and have an agenda, and ultimately that threat would be about as serious as libertarians trying to buy a bunch of land in any other socialist state to create a secessionist ancapistan. You just make it structurally impossible.

As for the settlements, in an OSS these would be democratically accountable and restrained in their imperialism. If the Orthodox Jews decide that they want to live together, then I personally see no reason for them to be forced to integrate as long as they live together in a socialist manner. Of course, the larger population of secular Jews would probably be much happier to integrate and urbanize. In the long term, I would see these Orthodox communities interacting more and creating links with the Palestinians that live around them. It's natural - peaceful proximity naturally leads to suspicion and conflict, whereas collective problem-solving and collaboration can lead to more toleration and trust. Nobody has to get wiped out here.

As much as it'd be nice to think of Mugabe-tier reforms, we have to remember that there are millions of Jews as well as millions of Palestinians, and any solution has to fairly cope with the needs of the population instead of getting into highly spooked ethnonationalist bullshit. Yeah, the Israelis colonized the place, and yeah it's pretty shit. But expelling eight million people, being half the country's population, is neither realistic nor socially responsible. Instead, our goal should be to create a genuinely socialist one-state solution that moves past the ethnosupremacy on both sides. I don't think it'd be realistic to have a world where all sides live perfectly happily together as comrades in a flowery socialist fantasyland. However, I will hold that only a socialist, democratic, and egalitarian system will be able to allow them to live together, understand each other, and reach some peace.

Have some of my PFLP collection, comrades

And for the record, the problems of implementing this solution would be immense. I fully acknowledge that. Doesn't make it any less valid as a theoretical framework imho

Great idea! So how do we revive the PFLP? Will BDS make Palestinians desire communism more?

Leftists who support Palestinian national liberation struggles need to answer the question of how they would propose to deal with already existing anti-semitism in the Middle East without the existence of Israel. And they need to do so if they want to move forward on a basis that is not anti-semitic.

didn't Bookchin later disavow this stance

No, Bookchin was always militantly opposed to national liberation struggles, and wanted to organise a left on the basis of our shared humanity and the values of the Enlightenment. This was one of their later pieces on nationalism:

democracynature.org/vol2/bookchin_nationalism.htm

What's so special about Jews anyway? You come to a country, buy off land because you are filthy rich and level villages with hellfire missiles delivered by the most powerful capitalist nation on earth - gee, why would these stupid brown people hate you?

Jews don't have a history of being excessively hated amongst Muslims, Zionism did that for you. In Jerusalem there are still Latin Christians, Armenians, Syrian Christians and Jews despite the 2000 years of bloody history. Muslims aren't genociding faggots.

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I don't think anyone thinks "Jews" are special. It's more the fact that they're in Palestine now, and have to be considered when we talk about future scenarios.

Not to mention, many Israeli Jews didn't exactly come there because they were hardcore ideological Zionists. A lot of Mizrachi Jews from Arab countries (Morocco, Libya, Yemen, Iraq) came because they were fleeing anti-Jewish violence.

This actually showcases a major flaw in anarchism TBH. Most people aren't going to just "give up" their sense of national identity for a few economic gains. Especially if we're talking about Palestine - imagine Israel and Jordan proposing a "solution" whereby they'd pay Palestinian families to move to Amman, how likely do you think it is that the Pallies would go for something like that?

At the time being in Israel you can't own land, you can only rent it from the government. This law is designed to nullify the ownership of Palestinians of their homes, lands… so they can be evacuated.

Shenanigans like this is making things worst than you imagine.

There's was no anti-Jewish violence in Morocco. Jewish orgs are giving Morocco and its king medals for "standing for Jews in the past". Jews in Morocco were so integrated, they were even in rural areas as Berbers…

There was propaganda spread by the France colonials that Nazis are coming for them and that Israel is the safe haven for them. And they were actively deporting them.

I'm actually so disappointed in Moroccan Jews.

Isn't this basically what would happen in a socialist state though?

youtube.com/watch?v=1nNo1RQUgRw

Most Moroccan Israelis refused to go back to Morocco. They are happy living in Israel and don't even consider themselves "Arab" anymore. So how does a future Palestinian government "re-Arabize" them?

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