I'm Here For You

What's up guys. Been around here for a while, and I've got some free time and some liquor. If anyone needs some advice or just some questions about socialism or socialist literature (given that its within my wheelhouse otherwise you're asking me to talk out of my ass) I'll be here for a little bit to just talk with you or answer any questions you have.

Especially as an older person, and an older person whose been through some shit I've always been told I give some bomb ass advice. So consider this a Holla Forums advice thread, and anti-alienation thread because the alienated masses of proles always need someone to listen to them.

Pic related: its what we do when capitalism tries to beat us down.

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how old are you?

Near 30.

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ur not the only well read person here (I hope), if people have questions, there's usually someone to answer them.
Plus, you're a fucking tripfag. I believe you suffer from unwarranted-self importance. My advice to you is a shotgun to the face, or to stop trying to grow an e-peen.

Are you knowledgeable when it comes to economics? Now I have read (and I hope understood) Marx and am at the point where I wonder how the base of a socialist society could be or would be most rationally organized.

Pic related, from a recent David Harvey talk. youtube.com/watch?v=83Yx6RBvoFc

You're not old, get on my level and start dying

Chill, good vibes to you too man. I'm just out here trying to help anyone who wants it.

I took macroeconomics, and that's as far as I got. As far as Marxism, I've read some Piketty and most of Marx's core works. I mean, I definitely would say I'm lightweight qualified to talk to you in a bar about economics.

Then again, as a Marxist what is the "science" of economics except a discipline to justify bourgoeisie ideology you know? I at least know political economy isn't divorced from economics as far as capitalism goes.

It is what it is. How old are you friend?

Hi Cav, nice to see you around.

Seems like as I get older (31 now), I get more dissatisfied with the capitalist social order I live in and less confident in the importance or parliamentary politics to achieve anything good for working people. Meanwhile, my friends who are largely in much the same pretty reasonable financial situation as me, or sometimes a little less well off, are moving more "centre" and interested in the maintenance of the status quo, even as their general interest in politics waxes. I sometimes wonder why.

Most of the them are from middle-class backgrounds and largely have stayed within that layer. I grew up dirt poor with a single father in shitty neighborhoods, always being kicked out of one rental house when the owner sold and having to scramble to find another shithole to live in, have spent some time homeless (both couch surfing and sleeping rough at different times) but am pretty comfortable now. Everything I hear from most people says that I should be even more invested in the system than my friends, since I achieved some social mobility and "the system works". But I'm not, the better I do in the system the more I seem to hate it and the kind of person I've had to become to be able to fit in with middle class professionals and such.

How have you found things as you've gotten older? Especially compared to people around you?

As a full-time worker/part-time college student, how can I help the revolution?

There are no organizations anywhere nearby I can join.

Also completely unrelated but how do people make friends

I'll be going to a DSA meeting next week. It will be the first meeting of a new branch so I seem to have an opportunity to get this branch focused on class conflict. Do you have any advice on how to do this?

Also I'm stuck in fast food work, how do I begin to get the fuck out of this?

You in the US? Also, you can make friends by going to clubs on campus that your interested in and sharing interests with the people there. Or, you can see if you have any common ground with the people you work with.

What up fam, hope you're dealing with life better than me.

I'm honestly in the same boat. I see people always talking about "Trump, Congress, Media, etc" while meanwhile not only the country but our planet and its ecosystem crumble in its ability to support humanity.

And to level with you, I grew up orphanage poor. I've not had privacy in a home since I was an adolescent, and even though I joined the military to escape poverty and live relatively nice now with a degree and a "good job" I don't feel like anything has gotten better. The system you're talking about definitely caused me to have such a ridiculously tough path, and definitely railroaded me into risking my life in some third world country against people who I never even got to know just to provide for a college education that should've been free in the first place.

As I've gotten older… I've become more inflamed to be honest, and more hopeless overall. Things get worse, and people's only reaction is to say "just vote for someone who won't do X and Y"!. Like dude, are you kidding me? I can't really advocate violence because I honestly don't have the heart to see innocent people die. At the same time, like what are we supposed to do in the face of such reckless capitalist fervor? I'm a little drunk right now, be aware. But as compared to the people around me I feel like I'm the only one sober on a party bus headed for a cliff, and everyone is doing lines while I watch our vehicle get closer and closer to an abyss whose contents I can't possibly predict. I'm sorry I can't give you any more than that friend.

Honestly, making friends is as easy as taking a genuine interest in people. You have to be present in social interactions, and basically show people that you'll be fully present and listen to what they have to say whether it be an opinion or a personal problem. You have to invest in others to have others invest in you my friend. People can definitely tell when you don't give a shit, and those are the folks that I see without friends most often. The ones that think they can do it without others and/or think that others are beneath them in some way or another. I definitely have non-political friends I drink with that don't give a shit about politics, and care more about getting hype on a friday night or selling their collection of 100 genuine yeezies. Doesn't mean I don't look at them as people that definitely have something to offer, and usually that thing is a good time and a good shot to take with me. Find the good in people and hone in on it, or else you're gonna find friends hard to come by.

As for helping the revolution, develop yourself. Develop your political beliefs, just develop your interests and engage and interact with as many viewpoints and diverse casts of people as you can. I promise you, you'll find your purpose for the revolution sooner or later. No one can ask anything more than that of you, and neither should you ask more of yourself. Once you're secure with yourself as a person, you'll find an answer for yourself my friend. Patience and diligence until then.

Don't take it as an opportunity for you to do anything. Get there, recon the people who are in it, and slowly work your way into their confidence so that they can trust your opinion. Until then, if you make any racket you'll just be some dude who has an over inflated sense of importance. Trust me, I've been there in that situation with Socialist Alternative.

Oh boy, fast food… Trust me comrade, I've been in a shit job. I got out of it as a young man by joining the military to escape my poverty. Maybe this isn't an option for anyone because you think you'd be serving imperialism, but a paperwork clerk never hurt anyone as far as I'm concerned. I really don't have a better option for you my friend, other than get good at working people socially and dealing weed. Such is the choices capitalism gives us.

Yeah, USA. And my main interest (at least as far as potential clubs are concerned), is politics but so far that's been a wash.

amazon.com/Charisma-Myth-Science-Personal-Magnetism/dp/1591845947

That's for you user. That book, along with taking a stab at bartending for a couple years changed my life. I used to be the awkward kid constantly in the corner scolding people mentally at parties. "Are you kidding me, Congress just voted on X and that dude is flirting with that chick?"

Yeah, I was that wierdo. But I finally learned to both get comfortable with the fact that other people are valuable, as well as comfortable with myself and my own flaws. A close friend once answered my question (the same one you asked me) by telling me "dude, how can you make friends when you never even come out when we invite you places. You never give us a chance".

After I learned to answer that challenge, I suddenly became the suave, smoothtalking bartender that you take home any chick and win over any dude. Put yourself out there user, I promise you can do it too.

I've been looking for this graph all over the place, thx for bosting.

I think one of the major challenges for younger, socially awkward people now in making friends and having a social circle is actually financial. I think that's worse than it was 10 years ago, which was worse than the previous decade etc.

So much stuff is being ripped out of the commons year after year that "going out" and just being around people in a social setting continually requires more and more money with fewer and fewer options available for free. Even just recently in my city there was a open public area that you could just go down and sit around, have a picnic with your friends or family. Set up a volleyball net or whatever. Hosted free concerts and stuff. It was just recently "developed" into a commercial tourist hub. Now to go there and do anything costs money.

I wonder how much of the increasing social alienation, especially among young people who aren't financially established is a result of this increasing commodification. Like there is a push for basic friendship to be commercialized.

Yeah I ain't even gonna front, finances definitely make an impact. Thanks capitalism.

But aside from my digs at capitalism as a socialist, every time people want to do something or invite me somewhere its money. This might have to do with me being an urbanite through and through, but people always want to go to dinner or hit up a bar or some shit. Why can't we just go to the park and walk, or sit down and have a few homemade sandwiches? You're so right.

Its part of the overall pressure. Sell your labor, so that you may have a social life, so that you may eat, so that you may be a part of the spectacle, so that you may be another acceptable drone.

To a degree, friendship is commercialized. Then again, in socialism I would probably be doing the same thing with my friends if I had a choice. I love good food, I love drinking or taking drugs with other people. The only difference between capitalism and socialism is that these restaurants would be ventures taken by completely independent chefs who give their labor to the community freely, or e-pills produced by chemists who genuinely love spreading their love to others. Capitalism commercializes and twists it.

But at the end of the day, friends want to do shit with their friends. It just so happens that these activities are commercialized as it stands. Good point though.

>tfw I'd be this person except for the fact no one invites me to parties
But anyway I'll try to improve myself thanks user

I hope you take my advice friend. I implore you to as a supplicant, please do. Because the further I got into my own head the further I started to reject others.

And to be honest, the only reason I got invited to parties wasn't because I was cool in the first place. I went to high school and got real close with one of the more popular, suave dudes. Me and him are tight as shit, and even though I heard other people hated having me around he always invited me to places because of the love we have for each other. And eventually that paid off.

Please user, trust me. Making friends, having them and keeping them are worth it as a venture to give effort to. Read that book, and put yourself into situations you're not comfortable with. Honestly, find some people to take E with, that did the trick for me. But you'll be a much happier person, unless you're a sociopath which I doubt.

It makes perfect sense now that you've said it. Also there seems to be no guarantee of getting a desk job if I join up. I came from a military family, I used to dream of joining the service. I found out was the US was actually up to abroad when I was a teen, and I couldn't do I if I tried anymore.

you're a gigantic attention whore and you talk like a sociopath. i don't want to learn anything from you

Definitely. Learn from my mistakes. I revealed my power levels at a Socialist Alternative joint branch meeting way too quick, spoke out against identity politics and got ousted for not being a feminist. No joke, my story is screenshotted floating around somewhere. But definitely just earn their trust, because you need social capital to make change in your organization. Just have patience, and strike when the time is right.

As far as the military, I'm not saying its a good organization or that it does positive change for every person who joins. But it let me escape poverty, granted I wasn't a socialist when I joined at a young age. If you're truly out of options, no one sensible should hold it against you for pushing paper in a stupid uniform to get yourself out of poverty so that you can better serve socialism. I definitely wouldn't, and any person who knows struggle wouldn't either. I hope you find the right option for yourself, user.

Almost 5am, gnight or evolved plantrning friends.

we take our shirts off?
jsut because i support LGPTOQ doesnt mean I need to take my shirt off

oh just do it you fag we're not gonna roast you

Favorite books for noobs?

Bob black and Bookchin for them post-modern dialectics fam

If you want out of fast food, but lack skills or employment history, check out the wholesale warehouse sector, and pay up a few bucks to get a fork lift operator certificate. It's better paying and less soul sucking. Most of the people I work with are pretty dope, to boot.