How does this group feel about identity politics?
Identity politics
Nathaniel Martin
Logan Morgan
" The 1960s also saw the emergence of yet another form of nationalism on the Left: increasingly ethnically chauvinistic groups began to appear that ultimately inverted Euro-American claims of the alleged superiority of the white race into an equally reactionary claim to the superiority of nonwhites. Embracing the particularism into which racial politics had degenerated instead of the potential universalism of a humanitas, the New Left placed blacks, colonial peoples, and even totalitarian colonial nations on the top of its theoretical pyramid, endowing them with a commanding or “hegemonic” position in relation to whites, Euro-Americans, and bourgeois-democratic nations. In the 1970s, this particularistic strategy was adopted by certain feminists, who began to extol the “superiority” of women over men, indeed to affirm an allegedly female mystical “power” and an allegedly female irrationalism over the secular rationality and scientific inquiry that were presumably the domain of all males. The term “white male” became a patently derogatory expression that was applied ecumenically to all Euro-American men, irrespective of whether they themselves were exploited and dominated by ruling classes and hierarchies.
A highly parochial “identity politics” began to emerge, even to dominate many New Leftists as new “micronationalisms,” if I may coin a word. Not only do certain tendencies in such “identity” movements closely resemble those of very traditional forms of oppression like patriarchy, but “identity politics” also constitutes a regression from the libertarian and even general Marxian message of the “Internationale” and a transcendence of all “micronationalist” differentia in a truly humanistic communist society. What passes for “radical consciousness” today is shifting increasingly toward a biologically oriented emphasis on human differentiation like gender and ethnicity ―not an emphasis on the need to foster of human universality that was so pronounced among the anarchist writers of the last century and even in The Communist Manifesto." - Bookchin
democracynature.org
"Identity politics… In which we are all fighting with each other. Where blacks claim they are more oppressed than women, so women should subordinate themselves to blacks and SHUTUP. Or women who claim that the women's movement is more vanguard/primal than ____ (insert group here), or that males should generally subordinate themselves. This is getting sickening already this has nothing to do with the left. What it has to do with is chaos. That's what it has to do with. And it is EXACTLY the kind of chaos that capitalism studies and learns from."
"these things are a matter of concern to me in so far as they poison any possibility for a left emerging, and secondly because they turn your attention away from the social question which underlies most of the diseases we face today… notably HIERARCHY. and this hierarchy involves EVERYONE not only women and blacks or other people of color" - Bookchin
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Evan Thomas
it's a porky ruse
Cameron Myers
A purposeful cul de sac for revolution.
Xavier Morris
I hurts all leftist movments.
I don't like it.
Owen Brown
how do you fucking thing?
Alexander Cook
we love it and accept it unconditionally.
welcome, brother
Aiden Sanders
they're good
Adrian Wood
People take it too far. That said, black people are oppressed in the United States, and women, overall, are not in the category of "social majority". Where people go wrong, is when they try to start stratifying shit, and playing oppression olympics. We as the left need to embrace the struggles against racial/gender/whatever oppression, but we also need to keep our eye on the ball of anti-capitalism. I think we can do both, and are going to have to, in order to get our revolution.
Isaiah Price
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Nolan Perry
We also need to make it clear to those social minorities that liberals can't and more importantly won't help them find true emancipation.
For too long minorities have been put into a situation where their only option is to vote for the lesser evil for them. I think that idpol in the minority community is really a symptom of having no guiding ideology, and no where to go.
The fact that liberals have bought into idpol is just porky believing his own lies/liking the aesthetic of a multicultural oligarchy
Carter King
It's not like this shit is any new. Academic circles have been plagued by it since at least the eighties. It's just mainstream now.
Carter Mitchell
it's not as effective without the smug face
Jaxson Watson
This is what I never understood: how is "her" revolution different than the elimination of capitalism?
That's the disconnect we have to attack. If your idea of "revolution" isn't to first tackle an economic system that 1) Is destroying the planet quickly 2) Destroying lives quickly 3) Propogating identities to fracture the working class… than you're not a fucking socialist.
Justin Richardson
it should say 'vamos' not vamonos in the comic. vamonos is "let's depart, go away' while vamos is let's go
Camden Thomas
God, this comic is so fucking stupid. As if taking down capitalism wasn't her revolution too. Porky is very proud on whoever made this comic.
Charles Butler
I dunno, OP. Why don't you ask Marx himself?
Lucas Cox
That is actually… the point. It's not. Idpol is an ideology of rich people (or at least immature people who've never had to make a living yet) for whomthe artrocities of capitalism are simply not an immediate concern.
Aaron Rivera
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Thomas Ortiz
The original comic is unironic.
Logan Hernandez
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Ryan Smith
I have yet to find any sort of idpol rhetoric that solves the issue of those "oppressed by the oppressed," if there's an actual term for that. When it comes to that sort of thing, the answer I usually get is to basically sit down and shut up.
I'm old enough to realize that there will always be those cases that will fall in the cracks. It's just the nature of humanity. But I can't help but to think that the reason for, let's say, feminism's flip flopping stance on male victims of sexual abuse, isn't so much that people have a hard time accepting people like them exist, or the concept of the fact that female sexual predators exist. Rather it's because of the fact that it just doesn't make enough money. I wouldn't say that it's the only issue, but it's one of the biggest factors.
The push for things like intersectional feminism seems less about benefiting other oppressed groups or even women, but for the sake of giving feminism a better name. And that better name can give more cash, and people aren't likely to give cash to anything that questions whether or not the strategies that have used in the past did more harm than good.
I've come to believe that there's a push for idpol groups to silence and ostracize the black sheep who can't afford to give them monetary incentives. Sucks for the people who are cast aside, though it's clear that such grounds had other things in mind besides their own rights, oink.
I'm still thinking of calling myself egalitarian despite the pushback against the term by idpol, even though in the end it's just a label that can be exploited as well
Samuel Martinez
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Asher Martinez
most people's views here are trash. You'll fit right in, honestly
Jacob Morales
kill them
Jaxon Gonzalez
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Christian Harris
radlibs and alt-righters both need to be gulag'd tbqhf
Xavier Price
/r/socialism pls go
Charles Roberts
I don't think they like it
Dominic Green
It's destroying the left, especially when it comes to SJWs. They make so much noise they make outsiders think they actually represent leftists.
Cooper Wright
My opinion is definitely the minority here when it comes to this. I think most issues related to idpol are caused by the state and capitalism, but our socialized issues with one another won't magically disappear after the revolution, so it should be addressed after we get to the root of the issue
Parker Adams
It's not magic, it's the material base that allows it to be something other than personal offense.
Hudson Morales
It's pretty fucking annoying and hurtful, but this board's overreaction to anything that touches into identities is just retarded at times. Engels would shake his head over the reaction towards feminism here tbqph familia.
Robert Harris
we have the sticky for this, and we have this thread every day. lurk more you stupid faggot
Aiden Foster
Tyler Ortiz
Yeah im sure he would weep for days that the booj liberal white women who voted hillary dont totally own the left
Landon Peterson
Holy shit bookchin btfo feminist retards. Prime brocialism
Josiah Powell
what is Marxist feminism
Jacob Jackson
I'm not sure what you're implying here. Please clarify. I know it isn't magic, because state prejudice (for those who are statists) and social prejudice exist outside of capitalism. Granted, to start the revolution, many of these spooks will be dealt with so that we can collaborate, but that's ideal and not realistic.
Julian Reyes
Well of course he's going to say that! He's running a goddamn nation, wouldn't be the best if he were to doubt the legitimacy of nations.
Jaxon Brooks
I think he should refer to "patriotism" more than nationalism. Because the nation-state system is not always attached to nationalism, it can also serve other interests.
Hudson Cooper
Bookchin layeth down the smack
how will liberals ever recover?
Christopher Young
they're the same fucking revolution yoU DENSE SKANK