Why don't more leftists support Trump? Yes, Trump is a fascist...

No.
How?
In what world do you live on?

Trump's policies on China, Russia and NATO have already ceded power to those subhumans. Getting us out of the TPP - helps China to continue to gain dominance in Asia. Trump sucking the cock of Putin basically allows Putin to continue on with his Euroasian vision and Trump attacking NATO forces the EU to think of itself as a united bloc and the EU is accelerating its plans for the EU army. If Le Pen loses, it is very bad for the U.S.

The EU is done. They still can't get out of the 2008 financial crisis because of the retarded way they have structured their monetary policy. The only way forward is for Germany to pull out of the EU which will never happen because their making far to much money selling BMWs and VWs to the whole fucking world.

It's impossible for me to support Trump as a leftist. His immigration policies affect my latino family members.

I know this is only tangentially related but why do people keep denying that Trump is a fascist? His policies are pretty much textbook fascism. I don't know if you guys are worried about sounding like reactionary liberals or something but it's pretty hard to deny at this point.

Solution: Stop caring so much for other people especially family. It will only slow you down in the porky rat race.

Trump being a fascist is like retarded right wingers saying Obama is far left.

I only "support" trump in the sense that i think in a way he's the ideal U.S. president. Pathological liar, utter narcissist, gorged on capital, populist and literal ex-reality show star who is very clearly an insecure child. The greatest representative of the United States we could possibly have.

It's not though. He announced an agency today that going to publicly release a list of crimes committed by immigrants weekly. Is that not fascist?

Is his constant war against the press not fascist? The guy literally said "America First" multiple times in his inauguration speech. He's pretty fascist.

there are some retarded marxists that do tho

A lot of people here already favor him for accelerationist reasons, though if you favor him for any other reasons you're probably a dumbass.

It would be much easier to build a worldwide network of unions and cooperatives. I wish I had been born in the 70s and been able to spark a revival of international syndicalism as full neoliberalism took hold and the false Soviet alternative collapsed on itself.

The 1990s was the perfect period for a mass multinational cooperative movement backed up by a network of socialist think tanks and industrial unions to shake the core of capitalism.

Unfortunately, it's also when capitalist ideology became firmly entrenched.

That's called laying down a base paint my dude

You're worse than Trump. Congrats.

He is at the absolute least proto-fascist, I dont see why Holla Forums has such a problem seeing this

I know liberal faggots have been whining about it constantly saying he is literally Hitler, which of course he is not, but this nationalistic corporatist populism certainly looks and functions a whole lot like fascism has historically

Fascism was a historical phenomenon of mass proletarian mobilization in favor of an anti-individualist, staunchly anti-democrati, ultranationalist "rebirth".

Yeah, Trump shares some similarities because he's a right-populist, but he's not a fascist. Rather than being part of the organic whole of the nation, Trump puts himself as the solution.

Even if his base cosplays as Nazis, they are no Freikorps. That the Tea Party could have easily evolved into that and didn't is further proof.

We do not live in the 1930s, and Trump is not Hitler. That's a stupidly hysterical response which solves nothing except for maybe being a feel-good tonic - in other words, quintessentially liberal. We live in the 1900s, and Trump is William Jennings Bryan. The question is, who's going to be the IWW when he falls apart?

Did he start banning unions, privatizing industries, taking control of the media, running a massive deficit and serving the interests of top capitalists? If not, he is not fascistic.

Fascism is a term used to describe regimes of the most reactionary quality which utilizes open terror in response to capitalism's crisis.

In no sense is right-wing populism "fascism". From this point on, when Trump starts murdering people in the streets openly without the restraint of bourgeois law should he be considered "fascistic".

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guy, he's literally trying to do all this shit. he's anti-union, absolutely pro-privatization (especially prisons), he's trying to delegitimize the media every day and he is 100% serving the interests of top capitalists.

You managed to defend Trump yet spout liberal retardation in the same post. That's pretty impressive.

Fuck off

Actually, I stand corrected, your "defense" of Trump was full on liberal retardation as well.

Holy shit it's literally Hitler, only fascism could describe this political ideology.

But he has been taking concrete steps to do all of those things not 2 months into his presidency

Why cant you all realize how bad this could be so theres communists opposing and resistance isnt limited to liberal establishment #resistance

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That's just what the right wing of neoliberalism has been doing since the 1980s. He's simply taking it to a new level by being very open and brazen about it. How is Trump any different from Rush Limbaugh and his "liberal media bias" and "welfare queens"?

Liberals really are braindead. It took a while for Holla Forums to convince me of it fully, but they did it. Well, strictly speaking, they didn't. You did. Back to Reddit with you now.

Because the liberal establishment are better off getting their faces kicked in and their tendies thrown on the floor. Why should they be saved from the consequences of their perfidy?

damn, almost like the right wing of neoliberalism isn't all that far away from fascism either. now you're getting it.

FULL ACCELERATION INTO FASCISM

i swear you people are just shills shouting accelerationism as an excuse to wave the flag of topics that are clearly so far from leftism you'd be called a moron with any other excuse

i want the trump campaign-RT-COINTELPRO subversion to end

It's almost like "socially leftist" neolibs are on this board right now pretending they aren't scum.

not this shit again. go back to reddit and learn what fascism actually is.

The argument is a dialectical one. Think critically for just two seconds. Trump floundering and capitulation to financial interests will eventually break the narrative of right-wing populism providing a "third way" for citizens. It is the nature of bourgeois democracy. Especially with global tensions rising and the American economy at stake, the status quo is ripe for leftists to seize this opportunity to present the populist message to people who have been alienated by the neo-liberal politics and the failiure of the right to combat it. It is only when material conditions are bad enough that we have the ability to take advantage of it. Of course this does not GUARENTEE our victory, but many accelerationists are hoping that the unfolding events of Trump's shake up will allow us to gain the initiative after decades on the defensive.

No I say it like its a lie told by a larping piece of bourgeoisie hog shit. You don't support working people or their families. You'd see them die in the gutter while the infrastructure that supplies the civilized world crumbles and abandons them. Fuck you and the liberal arts degree you rode in on.

Im not saying they should be saved at all, im saying we need to present the real alternative to predatory fascism and its slightly more refined incarnation unwilling to stop it, liberal capitalism. We need to take the political chaos to re-establish real leftism as a political possibility.

Its the difference between liberals and socdems saying "we as the established Good Guys(TM) need to team up to stop these fascists, why dont they leave their humanitarian masks on like the rest of us" and what we should be saying, "yes this is fascism and liberal capitalism is entirely at fault for bringing us here, we need radical change and cant look to any established politics for answers"

War is going to come whether it's now or later.
You act like this is some avoidable thing.
Better to get it over with before the ice caps melt.
Kicking the can down the road is most liberal thing you can do.

“Reality is dead,” says Foucault; however, according to Humphrey, it is not so much reality that is dead, but rather theabsurdity, and some would say the rubicon, of reality. In a sense, Finnis[3] suggests that we have to choose between feminism and Lyotardist narrative. An abundance of conceptualisms concerning neodialectic materialist theory exist.

“Class is part of the meaninglessness of consciousness,” says Marx.

You act like it's a certainty that history progresses in some kind of arc of historical necessity. This war you speak of is a huge gamble that could end up resulting in the ultimate destruction of the left. The problem with accelerationism is what if the answer to question "are we ready yet?" is a resounding "No".

See this:
You're embarrassing yourself.

the concept of nation-state and its rulers is fascism by default tho

No, the writing is on the wall. I don't even need to refer to theory. Bourgeois democracy is failing in the U.S. and not meeting the demands of the public. Saber rattling was amping up against China even before Trump. The military industrial complex must keep turning its wheels somehow, and it's not going to stop with the middle east. I don't want war, but it's on the horizon. If a tree is going to fall, you make sure it falls in the right direction.

The tree is falling but you should have no illusions of being able to affect the direction in any way whatsoever. Basically what you're saying is that you support the tree falling and you don't care who gets crushed.

Existence is fascism

I support it falling in the right direction.
People are going to get crushed regardless, myself most likely, too.
Trump is the type of idiot you want. He puts an ugly face on an ugly system. I've never seen so many liberals move to the left after he got elected.

tbh fam

And you still didn't. All they've done is moved into even more insane HWNDU type of idpol.

you know how I can tell you're from plebbit?

Maybe you should've thought of that before breaking so many lawls.

Some of them, but socialist membership has spiked since he took office. He's doing a great job herding them to us.

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You do realise that there's no such thing as a 'fascist' economy?

Show me one shred of evidence for this. All I've seen is screaming about Russia, electing an Obama corporate stooge to DNC Chair, and even Bernie is mostly cowed by this "we must cooperate with the worst neoliberal billionaire class to resist the evil fascist Trumpzilla"

archive.fo/PtM3x

No because fascism would centralize sectors.

institutenr.org/2017/01/26/the-misery-of-deconstruction-french-theorists-deleuze-foucault-derrida-in-the-service-of-american-nihilo-globalism-yannick-jaffre-katehon-january-24th-2016/

Fuck off.

Seriously if you count this as a win the left might as well throw in the towel and support social democracy right now because it's the best fucktards like you deserve. Also. Fuck Off.

There is no "more", this is the most since McCarthyism.
You realize how few Americans gave a shit about socialism till recently?
Do you even live in this country?
You can argue about it not being your school of thought, but this is still big when you consider how classcucked the U.S. is. I'll take this as a win by comparison.

because leftists are retarded.

You have to be a dumb cuck to belive in bourgy democracy tho

You don't just count Trump's election as a win, you would count it if he somehow blew up the whole system (not gonna happen anyway). Stop pretending like you care and admit you hate the rich more than you love the poor. You're just a liberal with a self destructive streak.

The ravings of a madman

nothing wrong about hating the rich tho, the problem is not hating the poor equally

This

Go back

the EU has the biggest economy on Earth, it isn't going to rise any higher than it already has. If anything as Europe gets pozzed with low autism level workers its going to continue trending towards mediocrity. Asia is in a much better position to leap ahead as a powerhouse in international finance, tech and agriculture. Africa and Asia are the places to watch. Especially because the Chinese are going to be colonizing the fuck out of East/Central Africa in the next 25-50 years

Yes, it's a win for herding people toward the left.
The most liberal thing you can do is support upholding the system for the sake of sparing a few more people, despite them being continually killed anyway. 50 more years of the same meat grinder. Hurrah for lesser evilism! But no, I'm sure the death toll under what we have now could never amount to the level of a war, right?

I don't need your fucking word on what I should do, you triggered shit. Plus, at least /r/theDonald and Holla Forums are much, much more intellectually sound and less bullshit than your commie circlejerk. Hopefully you people get your free helicopter rides when the day comes, cause admit it - you people already lost. We won. Trump won.

Your whining will be nothing but useless pest sounds when the sound of blades curdle around your throats, slitting the evermore blood from your worthless, petty lives you fucking leftists. That day will come, cuck, and be sure of it.

Keep crying, libtard. Keep spouting your precious ideologies to us. Nothing will happen anyways, as all of it is just useless statements based on your ever-snowflakeish fantasies. Facts don't care about your feelings.

Your tears never ever tastes so delicious. Eight more years of your tears are enough to satisfy even the hungriest of people. Thin-skinned cucks.

Keep getting triggered, though. Trump is still president, no matter how much you cry.

So many triggered leftists in this thread. It's almost pitiful watching such imbecility, really.

Oh no, an internet tough guy!

Stopped reading at: !Yes, Trump is a fascist."

You answered your own question.

Yeah, it's US who are the triggered ones

Because liberals call him a fascist and leftypol is so reactionary he can't do anything liberals do and would ally with Holla Forumsyards instead

Yeah he is a fascist

Hi reddit.

All Holla Forums is butt triggered because no one takes their "god emperor" seriously making him go full fascists. Especially anarchists who punch Holla Forumstards in the face trigger them.

They ridicule the whole alt-right movement. Make them look how they actually are so it's uncomfortable for them because at this rate Republicans are not taking 2020.

I still want one example of a prominent liberal with any establishment credibility (or anyone that isn't a larper like you) that has moved noticeably to the left since or because of Trumps election.
I don't support upholding a system that is ready to be brought down in a proper way but I also don't support this accelerationist garbage that gets some kind of sadistic pleasure in pulling the rug out from under workers worldwide and efforts to cynically push them into the arms of those who don't care for them any more than porky. Actually you care even less than porky because proles aren't even useful to you for exploitation. They are only useful in death to pad your capitalism kill stats.

top kek

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You guys are already exposed as neo-nazis, which you are. Thats all it takes.

To be honest democrats taking 2020 is hardly some cure all pill.

How many of those check boxes were present under Obama and before him GWB and how many are new under Trump?

Hmph. You trigglypuffs truly are ignorant. We clearly can't stop winning.

You know what's the truth? The truth is, all you people don't matter when it comes to reality. You are nothing but ignorant and vapid pieces of shit that are nothing but violent and vicious in aims of undermining a fairly won by Trump. You cucks don't deserve your otherwise worthless lives had it been having you people get used as dummies when the day of the rope comes. Keep crying, cause your tears are delicious.

I agree. Democrats are shit as well. With Bernie we might have got somewhere but anything is better than Republicans. Anything.

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user are you a tankie pretending to be from Holla Forums or are you so lacking in self awareness that you can't realise that nobody in this thread is triggered other than you

you're the only one triggered dude. Holla Forums has been triggered by anarchists hardcore this whole week for a reason but thats good to me.

Amazing demonstration of Poe's law you have there sir.

you got meme'd on dude, hand in your internet card

Projections? Those are truths. For the duration of these months, all liberals ever did was whine and complain about things that never aligned with their petty belief systems. Plus, replying with your stupid memes don't account to the truth, idiot.

I'm not triggered. I'm just saying the hard truth about your thin-skinned fantasies that so oppressed many of the white race in modern America. I'm no fucking Tankie, nor will I ever fucking stand to be associated with such fun. Unlike you self-hating, vile shits I am a proud Warrior for the Truth of the American Militia, as I keep searching for the truths of your Jewish-propelled propaganda that poisons this very country. Your kike bullshit doesn't scare me, nor will it ever be. You will befall the United States if you push your stupid propaganda down our throats again, and brainwash our children into your commie bullshit. Fear us.

I doubt even one of them is legitimately socialist. Every mainstream "socialist organization" is just idpol with rhetoric about "corporatism".

Pack it in boys it's just a tankie

Time for your helicopter rides, cucks.

Lol drumpfdrones truly live in another reality.

Nice False flag tbh

You know what? No, I'm not playing your game of musical goal posts. I already showed you interest is growing enough so people are joining socialist parties.

Jesus, and you call me a larper.
Are you sure that porky flag is ironic?

I didn't even vote for him, I'm just supporting the end result now that we're here. But you know what, even if I did, that still doesn't mean I'm not effected by it too. Everyone is fine with voting until it's a result that you don't like.

What does this even mean? I'm not the one arguing that a war will kill too many people and therefore we have to maintain equilibrium of bourgeois democracy, despite the fact capitalism still kills people even when there isn't a war.

Please never leave. I want you to meet Hoochie.

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Because we have a brain.

Trump supporters are one of the most low Autism Level people out there, uneducated and stupid.

That is why they fell for his 3rd world tier manipulation techniques and refused to see his lies and propaganda, they just arent that intelligent and tbh dont deserve to have a right to vote.

It means you have no interest in the working poor or their lives because they do not benefit you in any way shape or form except as a possible tool to lash out at the tiny percentage of people in this world who have it better than you do.
Or, you know, anyone I or anyone else has ever heard of cares about?
:^)

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Oh man that will be fantastic

Here on Holla Forums we say "niet" to both classism and racism.

Up on the meathooks with you.

You could have at least tried to move the goal post in a direction that seems socialist.

Just another way of saying "I'm fine when capitalism kills people at a steady rate instead of at a fast rate."
More lesser evilism cancer.
I don't care about who has it "better than me", it's about removing power from them. If you were a socialist, you'd know that.

that's what I thought

By Holla Forums standards, you are triggered.
t. someone on Holla Forums

wtf now I'm triggered too

Don't worry, there are probably plenty of "anti imperialists" here who do just that

TRIGGERED, GLASSES, MOUTH, ANGRY,
no need to go all Ben Garrison, one pic would have sufficed dude

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Why would Trump spell the end of U.S. hegemony? What hegemony even? Military?
Trump has stocked up the U.S. military budget by 10 %. If he actually intended giving up on U.S. hegemony, what does he need an even bigger military for?
Remember that Trump said in his inauguration speech that he wants to "completely eradicate radical islam". He's already approved a military raid in Yemen where 30 civilians died. He's not backing down at all. He's going to let the sledge hammer down on middle east even harder, following Bannon, who is a lunatic anti-Islam jingoist. He's also not backing down from NATO. Maddog Mattis has confirmed his support for NATO. All they want is merely that Europe spends more of its budget on military, too.
The only thing that Trump did which weakened U.S. economic hegemony is that he cancelled TPP, thereby enabling China to make their own TPP and get more economic power.

Do you remember what triggered actually means?
It means that some occurance is triggering a (usually bad) memory, maybe subconciously even. Isn't that interesting?

This means that people that are responsive and react negatively to a triggering didn't learn how to properly cope with the initial event that manifests itself in the triggering.
Instead they demand the world around them to accomodate their mental instability rather than growing up and learning from their experience.

To give the classic example of triggered rape victims, it's not upon society to accomodate for their mental issues, but on them to seek help and learn to cope with their memory.

Regarding such thing as antisemite outbursts and so on, this clearly indicates some traumatic experiences that fascists didn't get over.
My best guess is they're mad their dick got mutilated.

If you are talking about ideological hegemony ("let everyone adapt the american way of life") .
It's true that american way of life has lost its attraction, but only the liberal democracy aspect of it, not the capitalist aspect. China, EU and Russia are by no means challenging the ideology of capitalism. They are merely changing the "freedom, democracy and ndividual human rights" aspect of it. So what you get is merely capitalism without any other right by property rights under autocratic regimes that brainwash its citizens with state ordained religion. Great alternative.
The talk about the "multipolar world" is just Russian propaganda. Capitalism isn't contended by any of those superpowers.

Indeed, we got our man elected, fellow jew! Good job! Praise Israel!

If your latino family members were here legally, then you would have nothing to worry about.

I think you meant to say that anything is better than Hillary

Liberal tolerance at it finest. Actually, I should say fascism at it's finest. Fascism → if they don't agree with you, then they shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. Oppress by any means necessary.(USER WAS TOLERATED FOR THIS DIFFERENCE OF OPINION)

just go

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Where did you dumb turds take that retarded tought that the left is tolerant?
You think i have any tolerance for corrupt faggots such as yourself? Gulag is what you deserve. You don't deserve to live in society.

Zizek is uneducated and stupid, because he supported Trump.
Woman has no penis and so on and so on.

Found the Holla Forumstard

He did support Trump against Hillary and most Trump voters did so for the same reason as Zizek: because Hillary would have been worse!

lol Holla Forums you are funny

Fascism is the fusion of state and corporate power. This describes every Western country perfectly. America in particular has ticked almost every box on the "list of fascist warning signs" for decades now.

The God Emperor is horrifying, but Hillary is the true danger.

user, i understand your concerns, but it seems we have a raid done by liberals from reddit, just be aware of that. And that's at the same time with our usual Holla Forums trolls. Life is hard on Holla Forums.

lol

My country had fascism for 48 years. Here read, see if the USA is even remotely similar:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estado_Novo_(Portugal)

I feel you too user
Ignore all these stupid bootlickers
I only like how much of a useful idiot Donnie is
With everyone announcing raids and looking out for each other, I hope your family members stay safe (and whoever else might be in possible danger to raids)

Because they have zero understanding of IR or strategy.

my comrade

The EU has never been better, stop taking the media kool-aid.

The first one is objectively the best one, though. Call me when you see all these successful revolutions in all these 10,000 sq km countries.

fam, the bigtime leftists are 'annoyingly oldschool. None would ever drop by a mongolian rice-weaving board except maybe zizek. We're about due for a changeover anyway since dyehairs fucked up tech so much, when that could've been the perfect entryway.
It's weird, because as peeps like 'fbianon' and 'lawfag' showed it's the perfect place for whistleblowing and spreading info early before you make it official. Imagine if unManning knew.

Then again leftists failing to use an entry vector appropriately is old news to those of us into punk. It took like what, one year for corps to bash some pop-punk fucks together and derail what shoulda been a prole uprising?
At least since it was so hyper-focused on derailing leftist unity the right/ancaps never got its own ((Ramones)). They just been the same crass, vulgar assholes since its inception. (basically Holla Forums irl)
Closest they got to being CC'd was Skrewdriver.

End yourself libcuck.

dubcheck'd

you know how I can tell you're a plebbit.

this is the best wordfilter, it makes them all sound like bronies.

thenation.com/article/a-voters-guide-to-hillary-clintons-policies-in-latin-america/
you've nooooooooooooooooooo idea the continental sigh of relief.

also if you think dims would be preferable then you haven't seen a repuke on full-throttle fuckup.

There isn't a single reasonable definition of fascist that includes "literally murdering people in the streets" as a criterion.

You're the one who set those terms you autist

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…by following up that Hillary was going to be too much of the same and we need a "shock to the system". So literally saying that we need Trump because he's worse.

Ya best start believing in accelerationism

you're in one

I am not a moron.

I have a vested interest in the extinction of the human species. So, yeah.

you people will believe anything you read on RT if it suits your fantasies, lel
Trump is not going to be the end of US hegemony but a reassertion of it.

lmao

Not him, but the EU is 100% done. At some point it could have survived if all countries formed a fiscal union. But now a complete political and fiscal union is needed. The european countries must give up their sovereignty if they want the EU to survive. And no EU country is willing to do that except Germany