What went so wrong?
What went so wrong?
Lucas Green
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Mason Myers
Shouldn't had let spookefied masons to build socialism over defeated nazis, it created bad image and planted capitalism. Also fuck your nazbol flag.
Noah Sanders
The Freemasons are seen as jews to Nazbols and Nazis.
Mason Brooks
Freemasons try to undermine communism with their shitty spooks. And yet some faggots would protect them over some of them being jewish? Its an obvious sect that has hierarchy and anti-communist as fuck.
Jaxon Ortiz
A bit too authoritarian
But it was still best germany
And their national anthem was god tier
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Blake Clark
East Germany was always the shitty, impoverished, agrarian part of the country, even more so after Stalin decided to give the only good part (Silesia) to Poland. Then Uncle Joe also decided to take most of their heavy industry to Russia and institute tremendous reparations without investing much in the country like the US did to Western Europe, making the place even more shit. The USSR also liked to rip them off by paying them less for goods produced than they were actually worth, letting the state absorb the difference. Also, initially people kept legging it to West-Germany to enjoy the high standard of living there instead of working hard to raise East-Germany up to the same level.
Despite all these instances where they got fucked over, the SED actually managed to run a fairly decent economy by focusing on light industry and consumer goods combined with some basic capitalist concepts like producing more of what was most profitable, fitting salaries to performance, and allowing supply and demand to influence production, creating so-called "consumer socialism".
In the end, it was essentially a functional state which failed primarily because of its total reliance on the Eastern Bloc and the USSR, going down with the ship as its allies fell.
Jordan Lewis
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Jack Bennett
Nothing. DDR = Best Germany
Jason Bell
Interesting. Do you have any reading to point me to in regard to the DDR? I've always been curious about it, but never really knew where to look.
Nathaniel Young
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Low quality analysis of half truths
1. The plan was a united and neutralized germany, socialist construction only came way later.
2. Debts were cut constantly, the deals were fair, they also received support, however the USSR was actually involved in the war and didn't jump in to profit out of it.
3. The focusing on light industry was a focus only later in the 70's and part of revisionist policies that lead to the annexation of '90, it was Ulbrichts policies that build the foundation of industrie that Honecker later only leeched off of, however it never became a shitty place before the Treuhand turned it into one by destroying east german competition on purpose.
James Turner
Try to look for "Politische Ökonomie des Sozialismus und ihre Anwendung in der DDR" but i doubt there'll be an english translation anywhere.
Nathaniel Thompson
My German is probably okay enough to get the message, but this will be painful…
Cameron Morales
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Ethan Peterson
I wanna join the FDJ and strive towards communism with my peers. And I'm not even German.
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Jack Sullivan
Political opportunism.
Most if bullshit. Seriously, why are you answering if you don't know?
And this is absolute bullshit. DDR focused on technological superiority and was second only to USSR.
That's the opposite of what has happened. Supply and demand influenced less than 10%.
NES (reform of 1963) was abolished pretty fast (by 1968) and replaced with ESS. Later it became even more centralized.
I'd say DDR remained most ML out of the whole Warsaw pact - which is why there were constant problems with Revisionist USSR. Even in 1987/88: when Gorbachev started second wave of destalinization DDR simply banned quite a few Soviet journals and newspapers. Later Honecker even said that Soviet Perestroika will not happen and DDR will go its own way.
Socialist concept, not Capitalist.
There was no particular problems surviving fall of USSR.
Economy-wise - despite the huge loans - DDR did not fail, but was very deliberately destroyed. Western government simply stole half of the money from enterprises (and population) - but kept all the loans as is - , prohibited shops from selling Eastern products, and "privatized" (stole) Eastern companies - 90% of which ended up being bought by Western Capitalists for massively reduced prices - if any (some literally got sold for 1 DM).
Jordan Jones
nazbols are libertarian stalinists, that's why we hate them
Aiden Hill
Interesting sort of socialism that has concepts on how wage labor should be compensated…
Jonathan Thomas
Usual kind. State Socialism, aka first-stage Communism.
Critique of Gotha Programme:
> Accordingly, the individual producer receives back from society – after the deductions have been made – exactly what he gives to it. What he has given to it is his individual quantum of labor. For example, the social working day consists of the sum of the individual hours of work; the individual labor time of the individual producer is the part of the social working day contributed by him, his share in it. He receives a certificate from society that he has furnished such-and-such an amount of labor (after deducting his labor for the common funds); and with this certificate, he draws from the social stock of means of consumption as much as the same amount of labor cost. The same amount of labor which he has given to society in one form, he receives back in another.
Soviet Constitution:
> The principle applied in the U.S.S.R. is that of socialism: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his work."
Evan Watson
Not all NazBol/NatSoc (actual ones, not nazis) are tankies
Isaac Hughes
Civic nationalism commies are rare though, most nazbols are just russian nazis
Camden Barnes
Should've let all the German land stay in East Germany and moved the Poles out tbh, a strong East Germany would have been far more useful to Communism that a big Poland shithole and could maybe even have eventually annexed West Germany.
Angel Gonzalez
There weren't even any Poles living in the land given to them. The land they took from the Soviets in the East was also populated mostly by Ukrainians and Belarusians, so there wasn't much reason to compensate them for the loss of land gained through imperialism either. They were lucky Stalin was super pissed at the Germans, I guess.