Zelda BotW Checklist for Next Time

Its literally unfinished garbage with less content than Skyrim, the game it was out to rip off.
It has less content than every other zelda game to boot.

The amount of different enemy types in BotW can be counted on your hands, and the combat is more tedious and annoying than it's ever been
Two thirds of the game's core features are objective failures, and contrast so much with what it did perfectly that it seems like entirely different teams worked on them

Tetris has less content than Skyrim. It's about quality of content not length of it.

Considering I can count 12 different mini bosses in the wild that's clearly not true.

Tetris isn't even the same genre you Nintentoddler
Which is why all the shrines in BotW are simpler than any dungeon in any previous game in the series and even the actual dungeons might as well be nonexistent?

Damn you got me. Remember to buy Bayonetta 3 on the Nintendo Switch! Platinum aren't just shovelware devs!

Recolors are not different enemies user

You were called a nintentoddler because you're damage controlling for a japanese skyrim ripoff purely because its made by nintendo and nothing else.

Breath of the wild lacked both Zelda and open world RPG to the point where Skyrim has more depth.

Or I enjoyed exploring the world with the tools provided rather than just following path ways where X item unlocks Y path and you repeat until the end of the game.

It's almost like Zelda games had stagnated since LTTP and now they're finally doing something more with it.

Sure did. Show me where Skyrim has weather conditions that changed how you played and forced you to use different equipment to survive. To the point where keeping a fire sword equipped in the snow was a viable survival strategy and put you in awkward positions if you had to fight too much with it.

are we talking about the same game here?
The only weather condition that changes how you play is rain and the only change that causes is you have to wait for it to be over so that you can climb shit.
Or just drink a potion you can make out of materials which the game practically hands to you.
Gee if only the combat wasn't completely meaningless to the point of avoiding enemies altogether is better than going through the tedious motions.

You're sucking the dick of the exploration mechanics and ignoring every other part of the game, including all of the actual content, which you haven't even tried to defend, because you can't
This is like saying Just Cause 3 is the pinnacle of video games because it's fun to grapple around with the parachute

acquire skill

what's the artist?

You are hardcoded to slip after 5-7 "steps" of climbing when in rain even if the surface itself is not exposed to rain.
Just waiting will save more time than any "skill"

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Do you have a point or are just being contrarian for some reason?

Just jump you fucking retard

which part of hardcoded to fall after certain number of moves do you not understand
Have you even played the game?

"If I spent 2 hours grinding fruit I could just go around in the snow no problem".

Mean while the fire areas burned any wooden items you had. I don't think you even played this game.

The exploration and survival elements are the actual content.

It has a timing to it, if you get good at the game then you can climb most the way you would be able to climb any way. It's about using your jumps and finding better paths. Like it's trying to present to you a challenge rather than make everything easy mode where you're never denied options like most modern games.

You're hardcoded to fall if you keep climbing

No, no it isn't
It's the stuff that you explore for, and the things you fight along the way
Walking and the bad food system is not "content"

What the fuck are you exploring areas for then? Farts? The game practically hands you the items required to explore areas right before them.
NPCs even give you free potions if you talk to them.
Yeah all those really useful wood equipment which can't even kill shit you'll be encountering later in game without breaking.

This isn't a walking simulator. There is no point to exploring if there is nothing worthwhile in the end. There is no point in the survival mechanics if the game hands you resources by truckloads.

It doesn't.
You fall down in rain anytime you climb a certain height without dropping.

Good job repeating what I have been saying from the beginning.

I don't think you understand what the other user's are telling you.
I played it too and for the most part, loved it.
But the other user's are right: there's a lot of things the game did perfectly, and there's a lot of it that they did terribly.

I don't mind the large open and quite empty overworld. I like riding along and enjoying the scenery. But compared to other open world games or previous Zelda's, this one is almost walking-simulator-tier. If a player wants something exciting to happen, they usually have to wait a long, long time for it since it takes time to traverse the landscape.

But for instance, cooking was 10/10. I can't believe other games never tried something like this: just toss wathever you have in the pot and see what comes out. It's much better than "recipe" shit where you fill your inventory with 150923423 ingredients but can't do anything because you're missing butter.

Hyrule castle was a proper dungeon. It had multiple points of entry, interesting side-areas, good enemy placement and the music was top-notch. The Divine Beasts however turned out to be just oversized shrines: there's a big puzzle, you solve it, boss fight, the end.
There's not even enemies in them. And no mini-bosses. That would have been great: while exploring the Divine Beast you got a minor form of the boss constantly spawning and harassing you. If you deal a lot of damage to it, the boss starts injured, or maybe you just get an extra reward or something.

Blacksmiths are kinda in, since you can ask several people to re-make special gear but it's bizzare when put next to the cooking system: first they ditch the recipe autism for cooking bu then keep it for "blacksmithing". What the fuck, why?
The shops were excelent, I really like buying stuff directly from the stands and seeing it disappear there. IMO, all shops in RPG's should work like that.
Morrowind did it, partly, since the shop inventory was in the same building (if you saw something for sale, you could steal it from a chest/barrel) instead of "merchant-inventory" crap that Obllivion then brought along.

All the elemental arrows were great, but separating bomb arrows from the bombs itself? Why?
The Rune stuff was interesting and made for some cool toys but it was rarely used in the overworld, it was more for solving shrine puzzles than anything. Since bombs are infinite, they don't deal a lot of damage to balance it out but at least you can knock enemies off cliffs with them.

There's a lot it did right and I enjoyed it, but there's a lot it did severely wrong or simply feels like it was missing.
They have a guy selling monster masks but didn't bring back magical masks itself. Good idea paired with a bad idea for instance.

Only if they were to bring back the advanced moves from Twilight and Wind Waker. Those fights were fun because there was a bunch of ways to tackle them once your actually down on the floor against them. Flurry Rush was a fine idea, but doing it for 800's time makes it feel like your playing ds1 parrying every enemy.
They bring back vaati. At a few point we can go and see the minish in a 3d zelda game. If this is truely a sequel they could use it to establish when they got first contact.
True. Imagine if instead of that stupid zero bike idea. The final sheika tool was like a super broken rendition of the hook shot. Like going from mountain to mountain type shit to heavily speed up traversal.

And I've been saying you don't just keep climbing, you fucking retard

I literally said the way to deal with rain is just to wait.
What even caused you to go into your blind autismal rage?

You not knowing how to read

It's like I'm dealing with a literal Halo kiddy.

Personally, I'd like more Twilight Realm stuff. It was some Lovecraft-tier stuff and Zelda could use more of it.
Oh God yes, that would be great.

stop projecting your illiteracy to others

I guess levelling in Morrowind too is a timing based mechanic because you need to rest to level up
Its pretty obvious you don't play video games outside whatever your Nintendo console you bought.

user, we've been telling you this whole time you can beat the slipping, but you're too retarded to figure it out

I want dungeons and items, back.
I don't really care if, in turn, this locks me out of certain areas until I have the jump boots or the slam hammer, or whatever shit they add in. Having a huge world, with every area accessible from the start, is certainly cool on your first playthrough, but it rapidly loses any appeal upon further play time.
If they don't want to make the combat system more in depth like Twilight Princess's, then make more scenarios where you need to rely on Link's acrobatics and agility.
And bring back an instrument. I don't care what it is, an acoustic guitar, some kind of woodwing instrument, an accordian, whatever the fuck. The structure is already there, just make it do all the shit the slate does, but keep the interface the same. So like, instead of having to bash out a button sequence, just do what we've been doing, but have Link play an instrument to do it. You never have to do anything when holding the slate up, anyway, so what's stopping them from having some magical aura around him, that moves shit with magnesis or stasis's things, instead of just pointing a tablet?
Also an aside, but letting us throw on the iron boots to fall faster, when paragliding, but not fast enough that we'll die.

In terms of pipe dream stuff, letting me use the hookshot like spiderman, since there's no way in hell that'd be possible in a fantasy setting.

The phone apps are the items, there's just not a lot of them and they don't get used as much due to the no dungeons
What's the point in having bard magic if you don't get to play the music yourself

Yeah. The actual rules and way twilight works was never really explained and all for the better. Hell, I'd take it over the sheikah stuff breath of the wild uses. They have similar traits, technological and industrial mixed with fantasty; but twilight made used music, visuals, and ambience to make everything uniquely alien. Plus when you go into the twilight realm your expecting some crazy shit to go down. Remember the lightning bug on the lake boss? That shit was looked right out of a resident evil game. The sheikah stuff might as well be the legend of zelda's halo technology. Very little rhyme or reasons but it does mystical and magical things. The Guardians are still nicely designed and the Divine beasts all have very unique silhouettes but get up close and they look the same.

If they wanted to include the Sheika, they could have expanded on how the Sheika kidnapped, tortured and killed people under orders of the Hyrule Royal family. Jesus fuck, you got the Yiga clan to explore that side of it and did nothing with it HOLY FUCK.

Something I think was missing was a general mind-fuckery. in Twiling Princess, you got that weird surreal scene with "Dark Link". Pretty much every Zelda has a moment or two where the narrative is turned on it's head and shit gets really creepy, really fast only to return to normal the next moment and leave you with a sense of unease.
I get the "epic hero on a journey" they went with and the final music conveys that rather well but eh, could have used some darker undertones like that.

All unique weapons should be unbreakable; give them elemental (or otherwise) powers so that people are forced to keep switching them anyway.

Get out, illiterate.

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This isn't a joke. Get the fuck out and go back where you belong.

Congratulations, you complete fucking dipshit. You aren't intelligent enough to be holding this conversation.

Zelda's always sort of had shit that was darker than it probably wants to be. Oot had some darker elements, the shadow temple, and introduced the gerudo. Majoras Mask is majoras mask. Twilight princess had the serious tone but probably the least effecting moments. When I think of twilight princess I think of surreal art design and trippy distorted instruments but also that cow boy shoot out scene and that moment when link realizes those other people he met on his trip are raiding hyrule castle too at that last part.

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We're trying to tell you that the game gives you the ability to fast climb which burns more stamina. It's use is so that you can still climb in the rain by using your timing correctly. If you equip climbing gear you can make pretty good progress even in the rain with 1 stamina bar.

I never said the game didn't have flaws or strengths. All I've said is we don't need every Zelda to be the exact same game with newer graphics. BOTW is the first Zelda I've enjoyed in decades because the formula is just so bland. It strips down an action RPG to it's most basic elements and that's all it does. If you want a good Zelda then go play Darksiders, it was a 100% improvement over the Zelda series. But Nintendo didn't learn shit from this, they just made Zelda with even worse gimmick combat.

It's almost like you grew up on Call of Duty's yearly sequels.

Good additions. This is how you improve BOTW.

Would like to see cooking nerfed if they expand on exploration though. Make it so you can't just stock up on food and you have to find improving clothing. Also have tiers of clothing where going to Death mountain requires +1 fire rest but near lava requires +3.

How's about you read what was actually fucking written, idiot.

Get rid of Aonuma
make Ocarina of Time 2

They should've never strayed from OOT/MM, WW/TP combat system. WW was doing great elaborating on it. They went full retard on skyward sword. BotW weapon durability is a meme and the controls are shit.
Keep it press B to smash sword with parries, weapon stealing and throwing, and making full use of the bow and arrows, hookshot, and make enemies weak against certain treasures.
Would be really cool if all tools and treasures had combat moves.

Wait, wut? I don't remember that.

Noone said that. People asking for features that were in the previous games doesn't mean they want to play the same game: it means they liked those features.
I liked fishing in TP and I want it back. Doesn't mean I want to play TP again, I can just boot up Dolphin for that.

You dont? Throughout the trip links can encounter certain people who essentially are on your tail the entire time. Its not much and you can miss it if you dont go to the tavern in hyrule town often, but its a nice detail. It would've been awesome if they lile stepped in one the ganon fight at the top of hyrule castle and fucking wrecked house or had you come to visit them often. Would've gave them a greater sense of purpose and pay off.

Also sorry for my spelling and scentence structure, I have a terrible head cold right now

Look at the damn OP. It clearly says "I want all the same monsters and same items". If they add all that shit they can't add anything new. It takes resources to make those things.

Some of those things were even tested and it was decided they ruined the game like the hook shot.

Will this nigger actually have reading comprehension?

Here is the text of the OP in full.
Show us where it says what you claim.

Can't YOU read a post?

Thank you for admitting that nowhere in the OP does it say, "I want all the same monsters and same items." Go back to reddit and take your inability to read English with you.

I quoted the exact text saying that.

"Bring back the rest of the enemies" is literally "I want all the same monsters"

Thank you for admitting that nowhere in the OP does it say, "I want all the same monsters and same items."
And no, what he said is not a rewording of your claim. Go back to reddit and take your inability to read English with you.

Do please explain the difference between demanding all the same enemies be in the same is not the same as demanding all the same enemies be in the game. There is literally no difference in those two statements.

Tell us about this mystical alchemy you do where you take the same content and then call it different content. I bet EA would love it.

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/same
No, your lack of proper education is not an excuse. No, your inability to know what words mean is not an excuse. No, this is not pedantry, as it is definitionally opposite to 'same'. You are just wrong.
And no, this reply coming mere seconds after the post I KNEW you would make is not evidence of mind-reading. It's evidence that you're so stupid your actions and thoughts can be predicted by an anonymous person who otherwise knows nothing about you.

Guess Twilight Princess was so original with it's goblin enemies because they changed the design slightly.

Nintendo fanboys are cancer. Utter cancer.

BLOWN. THE FUCK. OUT.

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Oh those, I thought you said people were stealing the castle or hunting link.
I remember those, it was a nice detail. Breaks away from the usual "The PC is the only competent person and the world revolvs around him" mold.

I clearly says "I want these things". Not "I want these older things in place of these newer things." or "I want an HD remaster".
Diferent things, user.

TP changed things around with a diferent artsyle not just for the goblins but everything else.
Also gave us new armor sets, big ass fucking temples, a bunch of diferent side quests, fishing and a very detailed and well told story while keeping all the tools, powerups and basic structure of the previous games.

You mean it's a really shitty, ugly rehash of Zelda 64?

I really, really, really like BotW

I mean that it's different with a similar core.
Wether you like it or not means little to me.
I enjoy it and ocasionally replay it.
I like it more than OoT.

For someone saying that you sure do talk a lot.

You think 8 (now 9) posts is a lot?
I liked every Zelda game I've played so far.
What's not to like? It's a grand adventure that has charming moments and heroic obstacles to overcome. Every single one was great and gave me many hours of fun.
Why wouldn't I talk about something I like a lot?
Should I instead pick a thread about a game I dislike and rant for 30 posts about how "Overwatch is shit!" or "DF sucks because interface"?
Nah, thanks but I'm good.

Nintentoddlers go fuck yourselves with your walking simulator that has more in common with the bullshit Bethesda calls games than Zelda. I'm all for trying new avenues but to defend the nip version of skyrim is beyond retarded,

Twilight Princess did one thing well
The dungeons
the field was empty, the story was swallow, the treasures were (1) and done for each of their dungeons
But the dungeons in TP were fucking excellent and arguably the best in the series. Furthermore, the dungeons are the main beef of Zelda games.
I guess there's Midna too.

Imagine a game that was quarter the map size, and actually stuffed more unique towns, a city and large puzzle dungeons into its biomes. I sunk 180 hours into botw and 70% of the map is pure open empty land, with nothing but easy and shitty collectables spread over it to try to justify it.
Open World can be good, but only if the size of the world is justified, with compelling gameplay and unique locations. I mean the physics and mechanics in BOTW were pretty impressive, like the rain being affected by shelters you could piece together. but in the end the emptiness of the world outside towns and a few dungeons made the game seem like a tech demo.

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Bump because it triggers you.

I never understood how Links bloodline is the only hero people that defeat Gannon. Even the 4 Champions from the 4 different Hyrule races couldn't defeat Ganon. Why is the Hyrule army weak? Is there nobody else that can rise to the occasion as a hero? Most other games have some random guy rise up but this series has Links only. When will we get a female Link hero?! :^) Who the fuck is linkly or that link chick that's thicc in Hyrule warriors? is she link blood? Also why do some links suck while others win? If Link is your father and doesn't name you link does that mean you won't be the hero? you have to be named link?

Yes, that's it.
When you approach Hyrule Castle to confront Gannon, the Borders and Customs office will ask for your ID.
Unless it says "Link, Hero of Time" then you're tossed out and Gannon wins.

I like this guy's ideas, but I would have a problem with abrupt biome changes, even in the larger ones this happens.
I think the altitude changes and distances in BotW helped.

The size helped with making better biome transitions, but from a gameplay perspective the size was terrible. Too much running around with nothing to do.

Why did BOTW get rid of the "name your character" feature? I know there's "muh voice acted cutscenes," but they honestly don't refer to Link by name very much anyways, you could probably edit it so they don't refer to him by name at all.

It just doesn't feel like Zelda if I can't name Link "Bitch" and make the dialogue funnier.

An actually boat would be nice. The raft was the most tedious half-assed thing imaginable. You can literally find and pick up an oar and not do shit with it in the water. There's actually more then a few things in the game that just seem like massive oversights or are dumbfounding in a "why can't I do this" kinda way.

More crossdressing options

some days Holla Forums is very gay.

It's like they're either autistically obsessed with attention to detail, even if it detracts from the gameplay (WW's wind direction bullshit), or they don't give a single fuck, which also detracts from the gameplay.

Add more diversity.

Honestly you can fix a lot of stuff by giving Link a punch when he has no weapon equipped.
There's a reason why you fight so many enemies who wield weapons, it's so you can always replenish your arsenal. A simple punch would allow the player a chance to fight back, even if they have jack shit.
Then of course you can reintroduce the gauntlets from OOT which increase the damage you deal with a punch.
More dungeons is a must though. Even if they're optional. Not to mention side quests

It would be far better if you actually had to look to find shit
Shadow of the Colossus was big and empty but the world was still amazing and full of mystery because it felt like you could find stuff if you looked hard enough

The only real problem is they need to actually make shit for you to find that aren't retarded shrines

yes

I know "we" are not a hive mind but can't neo/v/ at least agree that BOTW was actually fun ? That its biggest flaw was its lack of dedicated dungeons. For example they could have easily combined ±10 Shrines into a "dungeon", add more bosses & cut back on the endless snowy wilderness. For example the Hebra mountains & Gerudo Highlands where bland. The quest line of Zora domain was 10/10 example of how they could have been focused. Add that level of quest focus to 4 more areas ( equating to a total of 8 dungeons) and voilà. The only main story quest that seemed shallow in comparison to the others locations was regarding Rito village.

Maybe make a few of the dungeons locked off by special late game items. Or implement a system similar to link between worlds but allow an assortment of tools so that the dungeons can be more complex. Still would like to see an "open world" approach because the linearity is what slowly board me to death of OoT. This new direction was a good move that reminded me of when I was a kid playing the original on NES. However, in also learning for what works a bit lest less landmass to explore and a bit more gated progress at a few key points would have improved the experience by allowing the it to be more focused.

As a thought experiment could you imagine the original Zelda game rebuilt in the BoTW engine but with classic Eiji Aonuma Logic Puzzles? 8 dungeons, very few items-gating you form tackling each dungeon in any order but a clear "intended" path? A final 9th dungeon that is locked behind the completion of the initial 8? That type of zeltendo game would be very interesting inmho.

Also is it just me or is Skyward Sword lore fucked?

You wanna know how the next zelda game will be like?
nintendoeverything.com/breath-of-the-wild-becomes-the-highest-selling-zelda-game-in-japan-in-19-years/
BotW will be remembered much like OoT (of corse, not for the same misguided "best game ever" fame) for being a staple in the series after which future games will be modeled after. Get ready for open world zelda games for quite some time.

*of course
time for sleep

I enjoyed BOTW for what it was, but it definitely could have been improved in many ways. The biggest thing would be having actual dungeons. There should have been a real dungeon in each of the 4 villages, maybe with the reward being what allows you to get to the Divine Beasts, which would be mini dungeons. Shrines aren't good enough.

That's a good thing in my option. While OoT wasn't bad. The last decade of OoT clones was killing me. The Gameboy games where where the better Zelda games existed. The best part of the OoT formula was the puzzle solving, but once you learned the solution to the puzzle it was not really engaging any more which essentially killed the reputability. Zelda 1 & 2 didn't really suffer from this linearity. LttP, was at one time my favorite zelda game but it only becomes less fun over the years on account of it suffering from the same problems of OoT. Miyamoto claimed that the linearity of LttP was dude to memory limitations of the SNES. While I can understand who "open world" can be abused by lazy developers, I actually think BoTW sorta bucks that open world trend. So I am optimistic to see how they may potentially improve the formula.

while it may seem Cleshay maybe the next Zelda game could look to Dark Souls for and example of a more focused but "open" interconnected map design that would potentially allow for the best of both worlds.

Or maybe they could remove the climbing mechanics and introduce another system of transportation that would serve similar ends but limit how broken a player could circumvent a challenge. Or on that same line of thinking (similar to the master sword quest DLC but more fleshed out), have more indoor challenges where dungeons remove gear and introduce unclimbable walls.

~who~
time for sleep

memes

The longer Skyrim is considered a good game the more people develop a taste for shit.

I wanna play as a fucking bird now fuck you user I'm not a furry

these kind of images are great

Most masks were useless in Majora.
Apart from the 4 transformation ones, the rabbit one was by far the most useful. By default you used it all the time.

I miss the crazy fights from those games.
Specially when in WW you were figthing a well hidden wizzrobe while some darknuts were keeping you busy, all the while some miniblins and keeses created chaos. Pure bliss.

So now instead of having ten clones of a mediocre game, we'll get ten clones of a boring game.
Fucking kill me.

Things I loved:
- Keep climbing, paragliding and cooking.
- I can't justify how much time I lost in taking the perfect pictures for my internal encyclopedia.
- You can go straight to the final boss. After the tutorial.
- Master Sword is optional.
- Cinematics and story in general are optional too.
- The one big city in the whole world.
- The island were you lost your equipment. Brought me memories from that island in Oracles.
- Getting scales from dragons.
- Korok hunting for getting more weapons slots.
- Gathering items for house building.
- Making a town (looks horrible though, didn't need to look prefabricated).
- The barbarian armor, which you needed to complete a whole labyrinth to get each piece. And then you needed to defeat Lynels to put their teeth on your new armor in order to upgrade it. It's perfect.
- The whole Zora quest.

Things to add:
- Keep the other three non-Zora quests at the level of the Zora Quest. Just getting to Zora's domain was difficult because climbing is too OP.
- As for proper Temples, it's clearly either temples or shrines. Shrines were the driving force behind exploring, removing them changes once of the core principles of the game.
- Make that ninja hideout you had to raid 5x bigger. The idea and execution were good, just need more content.
- More places in your house to keep weapons. Did anyone used the legendary weapons?
- Don't be afraid of adding more plain terrain. I'm not saying there weren't plain terrains, I'm saying a little bit more would be even greater for immersion. We already have horses and sand walruses.
- Add some archeological stuff. Some reason why you should be exploring ruins and forgotten buildings. Forget about more enemies/weapons/items I can find everywhere else, I want more unique stuff.
- More variety in horses. Allow their attributes to change along with your items or if you ignore them for weeks.
- Bring back the classy themes and get rid of the "ride a horse" theme which sounds like a guardian theme.

I believe this is the first one.

The game has the same success and flaws of Mario Odyssey
Movement through the world is almost perfect and an absolute joy, but enemy interaction and structured content are the worst they've ever been by an wide margin, with the former having novel ideas but ultimately being botched in execution, and the latter being a horrifically lazy, tedious chore stretched thinner than your mom's panties all so the marketing saying it has loads of content can be technically accurate

Link’s little sister who has seen him naked.

The thing that sucks about BotW is that it implies Ganon is gone for all time now. The evil having broken free from its cyclical humanoid form (to get more power), it lost its ability to resurrect. So there can’t technically be a BotW “sequel” set 100 years on where the new Link collects all the old hero items and uses them all together to defeat Ganon (in a proper once and for all setting). I mean, with Hyrule being restored, a century later there would be continued Sheika excavations and they’d start finding relics from all the old games buried miles underground. That’d be an excuse for huge dungeons, old-timey enemies, etc.

Whaaat
You mean a sequel to BotW would have to have a different villain, and can't just reskin the same boss over and over for the dungeons again?
Wow, series ruined

I’m honestly not sure they could pull off another Majora’s Mask anymore.

More Lonk Betwixt Whirls and less trash.

Not in Zelda 2.
Other games ask your name.
Game manual says your default name is Link anyway.
I believe you can name Epona in TP.

As for the canon, no one should really care. Zelda games being interconnected is an afterthought. They do talk about descendants, so I guess bloodlines are important. Names just serve as reminders to that. Since Ganon keeps getting killed, instead of having kids he just stays in the shadows acting as puppet master. You literally have to battle puppets at some endgames.

I'll give you that, some MonHun type of stuff would be a perfect fit for where they seem to be going with the thing.

About half of Zelda games don't have Ganon on them, starting with Zelda 2.
(They added a "Resurrection of Ganon" in the gameover screen outside Japan but that doesn't count).

Lurk more newfag, you don't fit in yet

the endless rain was a good example of how they could force a "open world" dungeon scenario because it nerfed climbing.

Yes but some of that exploration could have been consolidated. Lets say they could have cut out 20% of the map (for an arbitrary number) and instead combined several of the shrines into super shrines. Their could still be a focus on exploration but with less map to cover and more "Dungeons" to provide a more challenging focused level of puzzles. Their where too many Korok seeds Korok Seeds and meaningless Shrines in compared to the ratio of substantive discoveries and interesting Shine puzzles. While one could argue that the mediocrity of the low points made the High points higher in comparison it also was in a sense too much like a skinner box where the rewards where less fulfilling but the player had become addicted to that endorphin drip. This is why after completing the game you feel compelled to search for more and become more and more dissatisfied knowing their is nothing "more" to be discovered. Its also why players can invest hundreds of hours into the game but then in hindsight make the proclamation they hated it because they are feeling spurned and jilted after being conditioned into seeking out these rewards.

Assuming the average play time is approximately 170h for completion. I speculate that the first 50h are the most rewarding as it begins to hit diminishing returns at there are inherently less things to be found. The nest 100h are still fun but way lest rewarding with occasional endorphin rush because there is still a decent amount of substantive content. Where as the last 20 hours are likely painful on account of the player who is now addicted is just trying squeeze the last drops of blood from a stone. Same dissatisfying issue with MGSV and would have been an issue with Peace Walker if not for the hidden end game bosses that turns the rewards & adrenaline up to 11.

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BotW is only in the OoT Child Timeline if I recall correctly. This means other incantations of Ganon still may exist in other parallel universes.

I've read that was just an idiotic mistranslation from noa. noa being dumbasses who would have thought
If you want to get really pissed off. Apparently in the original Japanese, the quest log / log book is written entirely in first person from the point of view of link. In other words massive amounts of internal characterization and development was just thrown out for no apparent reason. Botw is pretty close to being one of the worse localizations noa done in years.

Looks like Tumblr, don't bother

Other timelines don't matter if we're talking about a sequel
Unless they bring back time travel and actually address there being multiple split timelines in-game

Skyrim is a shit game but it sadly in ways has more depth then BOTW.

Zelda has been fucked since Link's Awakening, cause they've been expanding mapsize, and with it, the distance between the content. In LA, you could play for an hour and have stories, of the characters you met, the locations you saw, or the dungeon you cleared. In BotW? You walked through another field, climbed another fountain, beat another simplistic barebones shrine.

All this talk of salvaging BotW is as retarded as talks of salvaging Skyrim. Open world is a retarded idea that only sells well because it looks good in the trailers, and it hasn't been done well, ever. This was one of the better attempts, but it's like being the winner in the Special Olympics.

user, the "empty" parts of BotW are the only thing the game does right, and is universally championed as the only thing that matters by the people who still think it's a great game in spite of it's flaws

They threw all that bullshit out of the window with BotW.

Is she retarded, or is it an elaborate ruse to get attention? Hard to tell.

what are you talking about BoTW was the best Zelda in years. We are merely taking about how it can be improved.

I don't think so

she is retarded attentionwhore

Oh, a direct sequel to BoTW? In that case, they could easily come up with a new Antagonist. Or just retcon BoTW, Nintendo has never been huge story fags. Remember Ganon was "destroyed" in the first game and the direct squeal to that was his minions trying to resurrect him. A direct sequel of BoTW could easily revolve around a powerful cult leader of the Yiga Clan.

legendsoflocalization.com/breath-of-the-wilds-ganon-in-english-japanese/
It's a shitty translation error. You could rectify the english version to mean that Ganon is so pissed that he gave up on simply WAITING on reincarnation and has simply decided to revive himself on the spot.

Then why are Koroks and Rito living alongside Gerudo and Zoras? Why are recent ruins of Lon Lon Ranch in a time period where the last time Ganon appeared was 10000 years ago? Why is the Temple of Time by itself on a giant plateau, far off from Hyrule Castle Town? Why is there a whole history of the Hylians building a dam for the Zoras, which has never been a thing in previous games? There aren't even any Minish anymore, as grass and shit no longer hides rupees and ammo. This game is more inconsistent with the rest of the series than they usually are. You'd have to come up with some giant ass-pulls to fit it into sequence with any of the other games.

Then they should just go play Minecraft, Skyrim, or Fallout 4 then.

Tradition.

Minecraft has shit movement, and bethesda games are the exact same thing you want with big bland copy pasted dungeons placed every five feet with markers on your compass

I thought he scarified is immortality into pure fucking power, but now I know it's a botched up translation.

Wind Waker being the Adult Era is a parallel universe so that is one way they could square that circle. BoTW is the Child Era. If anything nonsense about Rito and Koroks being Gerudo and Zoras may have been the part that is ether retcon or lost in translation. You also have Goddesses and magic as a cop-out. Everything in the Zelda world can be solved by Deus Ex Machina. Personally I don't really care much about the lore continuity and sorta appreciate that Nintendo doesn't put too much stock into it ether having game play as their top priority. They just work with familiar themes and "resurrect" them as a new incarceration unrelated to the old version.

to be fair BotW had better combat then both TES and Minecraft. If TES and Minecraft actually had fun game play then maybe the open world meme would finally work for them.

So basically you want them to increase the budget by 2-3x? Probably not gonna happen, they're in the business to make good money, not make good games.

Rito were supposed to be the evolved forms of Zora after the great flood. It makes no sense they would just spontaneously spring up alongside the Zora in a parallel timeline. Koroks were a similar deal, being the changed forms of the Kokiri in OoT. That was also in response to the flood, though it'd be easier to fudge them in a parallel timeline by saying they changed in response to some other event. The Gerudo are an issue, as they're killed off in both the child and adult timelines, only living on in the failure one. That chart you posted is fan-made bullshit, by the way.

Faggots like you give me the impression that people still don't know what depth in games means.

BOTW barely had shit to do in it's world while skyrim while a total failure of a game had more content.

I'd like to see magic be expanded upon as a means of combat. Give wands more use than "swing to shoot stuff". Having the ability to summon small elemental storms and conjure magic shields similar to Nayru's Love would have made wands a little more fun.

None of that would do anything remotely like what you claim, particularly when the engine and map are already developed now.

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it seems you ether didn't get my point or didn't read my enter post.

how does it feel to have played the game wrong?

I was under the impression that BotW was the ∀ of the Zelda series.

The same guy who wrote and directed Skyward directed BOTW, he's in charge of the series now

I'm ok with this

Nice trips.

Just assuming what you said was true. Depth is still not measured by content.

Nice dubs, my friend.

You'll get one too, even though you weren't trying.

I'm guessing you never played BOTW?

I just want to hear a better argument. We had a thread saying Dragon's Dogma was basically Japanese Skyrim. People don't truly understand what makes Skyrim a bad game. Even fucking Undertale has more depth than Skyrim. Skyrim is less than the sum of its parts. It was never designed to be a good game. It was designed to give an illusion of being a good game. It wasn't due to laziness but an attempt to give faggots an illusion of choice. When I brought up the illusion of choice before, someone argued that it is still preferable to a lack of choice. However, it is like an ice cream shop that sells 40 different flavors but they only have five actual flavors with the rest being one of the five flavors but with a different name and color.

But there is no depth to BOTW either. It’s empty on all accounts.

BotW has too much depth
One look at mechanics like the autistic electricity interactions is enough to show that the devs that worked on those parts of the game were so deep inside their own asses they missed the forest for the trees

Did you miss where the original discussion was about whether or not the devs meant for BotW to be a part of the timeline? You started out by saying it was part of the child timeline. I responded by saying it was in no timeline, because the devs didn't give a shit about any of them when making the game. You disagreed, I gave reasons for my statement in response. I don't see what the point is in saying "well they could always bullshit in an explanation later" when that has nothing to do with their original intentions, which is what the discussion is about.

Did you miss the part that non of the bellyaching about Ganon being "dead" matters in a sequel if everything you said is taken for granted?

That was back when he worked at Capcom though and didn't have as much of an influence on the series. We're gonna get more Skyward influence for later titles if BOTW is anything to go by, Hylia has basically replaced the three goddesses at this point

But our discussion has nothing to do with if Ganon can come back or not. It's purely around your statement that BotW is part of some official timeline.

It doesn't make any sense for an aquatic race to develop into a flying one because their range got bigger.

Bring back the Hyrule Warriors OCs as optional boss fights. I want more Cia, Lana and Volga, dammit.

Now that you mention it, is there an open-world game where I can play as a bird-man?

Fuck it. It's a Zelda wish list thread.

I want rope. I want rope arrows. I want to shoot two trees and make a zip line I can slide down on. Grappling hooks can come back as expendable items you attatch to rope. I want to use rope to lasso enemies on my horse and drag them through the briar patch. I also want to use rope to latch onto bigger enemies I can use for transport like a huge thunderbird I can hang in the sky so long as stamina is permitting.

I want temporary power ups like the clock, guardian acorn, or piece of power. If they have to be items then make their effects scrolls or potions.

I want fairy magic. What is fairy magic? Fairy magic spends rupees insteaf of MP to cast spells. Shiekah slate was cool but needs more resource management.

For improving food: Make food effects more potent but limit how often you can eat and when. I feel for restoring health a variety of potions would've sufficed.

If you're worried about not having a weapon then add unarmed combat. Have the ability to grapple enemies and wrestle to disarm them. Increase the weight Link can grapple with fairy magic, potions, food, or power bracelet. With max strength Link should toss Lynels to the side like pissed off goats.

Weapons should dull instead of break. Dull weapons lose attack power, but can be fixed. Or they can be thrown and destroyed for max damage.

Armor should break too, but can be repaired. Broken armor still has some of the special effect but loses defense while still keeping weight. Armor weight should affect stamina and enemy's ability to grapple you. Outfits aren't armor. They have effects but no defense. Also changing outfits cost time. Pull your pants down in the woods without looking first and you get butt-fucked by a bear.

Shield sizes from buckler to tower should affect how much coverage and protection you have. Bucklers are easier to shield bash and deal damage while tower shield can protect from dragon breath but can't be swung. Sadly broken shields are unwearable, but can be thrown.

Dual weilding should be a thing. And yes I want to dual-weild tower mirror shields and turtle my way through guardian's layer reflecting laser beams back at them. I also want to dual weild a hookshot and a pistol sling shot. It'd be fun zipping from tree to tree shooting deku nuts that blind town guards after a pantsu raid.

In contrast to BotW's wilderness I want to see the next game be about law and how you will break it. Keep BotW's engine but add civilization as an obstacle. I want to be an outlaw in rennaisaunce Hyrule ao we can have that big boss Gerudo-man sempai story.

Also Link should have a mom. And mom should be ara-ara.

Nope, other than starbound (starbound doesn't count fuck off) other open world games with fictional races stick to cats and elf knockoffs, ignoring birds or other interesting fictional races.

Why is that bird sweating and have flush cheeks? Did she just get done exercising?

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She clearly has feminine features like budding breasts and thin facial features.

This.

Kill yourself.

Another thing about rope. You can tie the rope to your horse and to yourself and jump off with your paraglider to fly like a kite. It's not practical for combat, but you'll get a better view around you while moving. Just have to pull yourself to your horse without losing too much stamina.

Weapon repair and upgrade and actually having shit in the world aside from shrines are the biggest things needed for improvement.

Birds don't have breasts

Trips of truth. BotW is clearly a reboot with shit from other LoZ haphazardly mishmashed together.
The mirror of twilight from TP is also in BotW btw.

No one has mentioned “Cookbook that contains the recipes you’ve already discovered instead of being forced to remember them yourself” yet. No one has mentioned “Cookbook where you can click once on a discovered recipe and it automatically gets made instead of having to do it by hand every time” yet.

You've never eaten a chicken breast?
I bet you feel silly now that I've BTFO'd you…

Holy fuck no. The last thing Zelda needs is more ways to streamline exploration. If you're going to have an "open world" game then don't fucking make shit a breeze to traverse. It makes a smaller world feel bigger and makes the eventual discovery of a landmark feel more like a reward.

It's not

user, climbing and paragliding are the things that are universally praised by the people who love the exploration
If anything they should get rid of fast travel and horses

I’d like link and gannondorf to have more of a relationship like a mentor-mentee thing. The twist of the story being Gannon was the villain all along.

You fucks don't seem to understand that there isn't a fucking "timeline" in this franchise. The people who write the lore pull shit out of their asses and try and make it sound cohesive to the rest of the earlier games when they weren't around. If anybody here actually believes what the Hyrule Historia has to say about what was actually going on during Majoras Mask they can unironically fucking slit their throats.

The gods are dicks and didn't want them to realize that Hyrule was perfectly fine at the bottom of the ocean.

Climbing and paragliding should be limited to items you find in the world
Fast travel should be cut down to only major locations like cleared dungeons or specific areas in towns
Horses should be faster
Add in those hidden warps from Ocarina of Time like the ones in Lost Woods that lead to Goron City and Zora River

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I’m still a sucker for the “adopted brothers” idea where Ganondorf is either just taken over by the evil (at the very beginning of the concept of the cycle) or he willingly plays host to it to ensure that it is only resurrected once every century (because of the Gerudo shit). Hell, we could even see Link be an orphan raised by the Gerudo (since Ganondorf would be too important to be separated from his people) as the way the game starts this time.

That’s what I was thinking. Gannondorf being this father figure to link. Link sets out to discover his Hylian heritage and travels to hyrule, meets Zelda falls in love or something like that . While back in the Gerudo some disaster or event pits the survival of the Gerudo against the interests or survival of Hyrule leading to Gannondorf trying to seek more power. Eventually leading to an emotional clash between father and son.

You already have to 'unlock' the paraglider to begin with, and adding an item to explain why Link can climb any surface is far more immersive than just "he can lol"

He can't climb any surface, there just aren't a massive variety of different types of surfaces out in the world, it's mainly different kinds of stone
Removing the fun from movement wouldn't make exploration more fun, it'd just be more of a chore
The only problem is the lack of meaningful content in the world, which making the massive world harder to move across would do absolutely nothing to fix

You don't seem to understand why this is retarded in the first place. In the original Zelda warps were very limited and sparse. This made exploration a risky concept. If you start allowing players to glide all over the map it pretty much spits in the face of that concept. Make transport limited, allow the player to understand the danger that goes into exploration and make the fucking game somewhat engaging instead of boring ass walks through nothing.

I propose they just hire toriyama to do the art style for the next one.

But that already happens in the game with the paraglider as it is now, unless you mean the hidden warps/shortcuts concept

I have a hunch the next open-world Zelda game will not be set in Hyrule at all.
The differences in geography between every past iteration of Hyrule could be handwaved by them being condensed versions of BOTW Hyrule. There were always theoretically more than one forest, one mountain, one lake, etc. in that world, but due to technical limitations and game design trends of the time abhorring wasted space, only the important and interesting parts of the world were depicted. That's how the location of Kakariko Village keeps changing: it's not the same village between games.
But now that the in-game depiction of Hyrule is a realistic size, that handwave doesn't work. It would be difficult to rearrange Hyrule without any of the geography introduced in BOTW and still pretend it's the same world, but starting from the general layout of BOTW Hyrule and making superficial changes would make it seem like an expansion pack. The best option would be a setting outside of Hyrule that can be completely new.
I suppose they can always just say "a wizard did it" and we would have to accept it because it's a fucking video game.

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Yea and I think it's shit. All I'm saying is that if you make exploration innately difficult you feel rewarded when you discover a new area. Kinda like when you first see Anor Lando in Dark Souls or when you reach a new level in Solar Jetman.

never forget Zeldo

That would be interesting to see.

Climbing+stamina juice I think breaks the game more than the glider, the glider can be done right, just see windwaker.

Apparently they were on the fence about adding a hookshot to BotW for a long time - team members kept adding one and showing off how fun it would be, and eventually the game director had to be like, "no, we're not adding a hookshot, for certain." I would not be surprised if the hookshot is in the next game.

Found the exact quote: “In the early stages of development, we did actually do some tests with double hookshots and just being able to kind of go anywhere, like Spider-Man. Your mobility and your speed was just kind of incredible. We did do some tests like that. Honestly, the hookshot kind of completely breaks the climbing mechanic. There’s lots of fans in the staff, even at pretty high levels, who really like the hookshot and they kept bugging me about it. I eventually just had to say ‘No! Hookshot is gone. There will be no hookshot in this game. If we put the hookshot in this game, it’s not going to work.’ We were just going back to what we did before, and Breath of the Wild is all about doing new things.”- Hidemaro Fujibayashi

My personal hopes for the next Zelda: something like Majora's Mask, where they use the same assets to create a game quickly rather than remaking everything from scratch.

Well windwaker made it work because you were in an ocean. The segments where you used gliding were usually in temples or in very sparse areas that required the thing in a linear fasion. It also made use of the Leaf by making it have an attack so there was more to it and you also sank fairly fast unless you had a twister to boost you. Basically if you're going to have gliding make it sparse and not worth the effort to travel. It's been a pretty overdone mechanic anyway in the past few years. Ass creed's done it, mincecrafts done it, a lot of open world games do it. If Zelda wants to do it again then I say have you sink pretty fucking fast if you do it.

There's people working on a sort of spiritual MM if Twilight Princess was OoT. So it's being done with assets from TP but severely touched up. I'm willing to bet it will be more enjoyable than whatever Nintendo pops out and the project doesn't even look that great.

I remember being extremely hyped after completing the Zora quest.
Imagine my horror when I realized:
- Getting to the other 3 cities has no real challenge. Goron requires you to hunt some lizards, Gerudo requires you to crossdress and Rito requires nothing at all.
- Fighting the big Elephant was epic (in no small part because of the music), fighting the Salamander was just pathetic.
- I don't feel like going on. You have a point, there is stuff to do but it could have been much better.

Not always, the maps always look big from far away but in-game maps were pretty small in Skyward Sword and pretty much all portable Zeldas (including the Zelda 3 sequel for the 3DS, which ignores (for the most part) all the Zeldas that came after 1991. A Link Between Worlds was loved by both oldfags and newcomers.

I noticed in general more references to SS than any other Zelda game. Finding Lon Lon Ranch's remains struck a cord, though.

I believe he's talking about the building (Arbiter's Grounds) where you find the mirror.
It looks like the Coliseum.
I don't care if it's a reference nor I care if it's not so close to Gerudo desert. The Coliseum looked so cool from far away yet it holded absolutely nothing special inside.

What was the longest you could travel by paragliding? I liked gliding from the Volcano, travelling to the east coast and trying to go as south as possible. Sweet.

This is beyond confirmed.
YET… it still feels food to see connections between games. My favorite was goind underwater in WW and finding the old castle with the sages of Ocarina in their glass mosaics.

It's so pathetic that the bottom part of your pic actually looks fuzzier and blurrier than the fucking OoT screenshot at the top. BotW looks fuzzier and blurrier than a Nintendo 64. That's actually impressive
Thank goodness for CEMU and the Clarity Graphics plugin

That's what too much bloom does. It's fucking shit.

I can't think of too many things Link can't climb.
- Trees? Climbable.
- Walls? Climbable.
- Houses? Climbable.
- Big creatures like bears, cyclops and even those stone golems? Climbable.

I want a refund

Got a screenshot on CEMU of the approximate location

Significantly better. This was the BotW we could've had on consoles. Shame

Of course I still fuck it up because I forgot to re-equip the Master Sword and now I'm pissed off because I wanted to match it as close as possible
I forgot to make a save there though so fuck it I don't want to take down that Guardian+2 white bokoblins again

How about actual dungeons instead of these great beast memes. The open world might be impressive by Zelda standards, but I always enjoyed a good dungeon layout and this franchise always put good effort into the themes and visuals. The great beasts were so underwhelming.

Also the silent princess needed to be a little more silent. SHUT UP ALREADY. A lot of people hated on Skyward Sword, but that game gave us the best princess and some great dungeon layouts and neat visuals.

You have to find fragments of something that looks suspiciously similar to the mirror from TP.

There's actually the ruins of the Arbiter's grounds at the southern edge of the Gerudo Desert, the Coliseum is just a coincidence. And yeah, probably one of the most disappointing moments was finding out that there was nothing inside

there was nothing inside like the rest of the game

Unfortunately yes

What if the hookshot has limited ammo or durability? I imagine if they re-use some of BotW's inventory they would make bow slots hold general ranged weapons. Hookshots could use charges as ammo and there could be different kinds of heads for different surfaces or purposes. Spearshot, pickshot, etc.

That color pack you are using, never clicked with me, IMO it just brutalizes colors and contrasts by using a technicolor effect, also it overuses the effect of FXAA causing lots of blur when you can make FXAA work with almost 0 blur by reducing the amount of subpixel anti-aliasing and letting it only work on edges

I think even the original pic looked even better.

You can make Reshade almost work perfectly with Cemu and tweak it to your needs instead of relying on something that was probably made by some 16 year old reddit fag that thought he could slap shit over the colors like it was an instagram filter, in fact that pack just copied and pasted Reshade code.

The Reshade caveat is that you need a en effect hotkey on your gamepad to toggle the effect off on the item menu or else it freezes until you close it, i mapped said hotkey to Start and so i don't have to worry about toggling it on and off when going into the menu, the only problem is when i exit via the B button instead of Start, and then i have to manually re enable it.
Lots of autism just for a couple visual improvements i know.

For me on Mashing Master mode there were 2 golden Bokoblins a Guardian +3 also 4 of those big chuchus and the Hinox can see you from the other hill and come to wreck your shit if you are not careful, had to kill them all but then started to rain, so i started a campfire until next day's noon, but lucky me got a blood moon, and had to kill them all again.

also a complimentary video

That color pack you are using, never clicked with me, IMO it just brutalizes colors and contrasts by using a technicolor effect, also it overuses the effect of FXAA causing lots of blur when you can make FXAA work with almost 0 blur by reducing the amount of subpixel anti-aliasing and letting it only work on edges

I think even the original pic looked even better.

You can make Reshade almost work perfectly with Cemu and tweak it to your needs instead of relying on something that was probably made by some 16 year old reddit fag that thought he could slap shit over the colors like it was an instagram filter, in fact that pack just copied and pasted Reshade code.

The Reshade caveat is that you need a en effect hotkey on your gamepad to toggle the effect off on the item menu or else it freezes until you close it, i mapped said hotkey to Start and so i don't have to worry about toggling it on and off when going into the menu, the only problem is when i exit via the B button instead of Start, and then i have to manually re enable it.

Lots of autism just for a couple visual improvements i know.

For me on Mashing Master mode there were 2 golden Bokoblins a Guardian and also 4 of those big chuchus and the Hinox can see you from the other hill and come to wreck your shit if you are not careful, had to kill them all but then started to rain, so i started a campfire until next day's noon, but lucky me got a blood moon, and had to kill them all again.

And here is a complimentary video of fake ambient occlusion being used to make mainly the grass but also other stuff look better.

The next Zelda needs to learn the lesson that you cannot replace a well thought and designed dungeon with 50 separate ball in a cup puzzles. Even thought puzzles where always that dumb, it was the sense of exploration into the unknown dangers what fueled your desire to keep solving them

I want to challenge village kids to insect fights.

your sentiments mirror mine exactly, I did the Zora quest first and expected the other three to be on par with them as well as expand on the story but they ended up being disappointing as hell. The whole game just feels like a Legend of Zelda skin on Skyrim, it just doesn't feel like a zelda game. I have played Twilight Princess all the way through at least 7 times and each time their is still a feeling of wonder at the world and story that's just not there in BOTW, even Wind Waker which was closest to BOTW in terms of open world and gameplay was much better.

All of BOTW feels like a cash grab built around the nostalgia of the past games combined with what Jap devs think westerners like (skyrim style shit). The DLC items and the fact that like doesn't even have his own green tunic in this game tells me that whoever is in charge in the series wants to do to Zelda what Korra did to ATLA.

*Link

Uh, what? Granted it does come after getting all 120 shrines so it doesn't really run contrary to your point.

How about a Cloud World: Exp pack, 40€, full of content (tm) "Teh Skyeward Sward" and then later a "Underworld Exp pack".

And how is posting dicks any less gay?

Calamity Ganon's entry in the Hyrule Compendium also clarifies this.
Dark Beast's too, just to show no reference of finality.

I think the bit about him trying to reincarnate after Link awoke is also an error or at least really dumb.

You're not wrong that it absolutely does NOT feel like a Zelda game, but it sure is a hell of a lot better than Skyrim. I hate it when people compare the two. Both games have retarded cookie-cutter dungeons, but BotW essentially takes what Skyrim has and improves it in every way as far as mechanics, movement, and world design are concerned

BOTW was like that because of the weapon-degrdation system. You needed enemy's were you could replace you weapons and shields

So, the perfect place for danknuts

Also given the weapon degradation and climbing being core game mechanics, peahats and rape monsters would be hilariously annoying

It would be fun to play with the results of being eaten by like likes. Like having a chance of random upgrades /downgrades or effects to your retrieved equipment depending on what type of like like ate you. Or making them run away.

Or they could just introduce a crafting systems for weapons and armor like how superior games do.

there is no doubt that BOTW is better than Skyrim, I have played both and say that with confidence but the two are strikingly similar in most respects so it's nmo surprise that everyone is going to compare the two… and you can't mod BOTW so Skyrim has that over it.

Yeah, if you want little to no level of threat during combat. It defeats the purpose of breaking weapons if you can just knock the weapon out of your enemy's hands before your existing one breaks. Having opponents that don't attack using weapons doesn't mean you can't get equipment from them, just have them drop components that allow you to craft new weapons.

Speaking of translation fuck ups, does anyone know the literal japanese translation for Urbosa's scene with Link after he frees her divine beast? The english line implies that Ganondorf only "assumed" the form of a Gerudo, which is obviously bullshit.

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It's not gay if it's a birb.

I just remembered what made the original game so open: keys.

You can buy keys from merchants to use on any small door in any dungeon in any order so long as you have the rupees. I was thinking about doing the same but with lockpicks. Also could have an interconnected underworld that connects all the dungeons together at some point. Like sewer shortcuts in Paper Mario.

That would mean more time spent in a crafting menu doing the same thing over and over.

I do like the idea of likelikes directly eating your supplies though.

What if a Zelda game had two face buttons devoted to sword attacks instead of one, with a rudimentary combo system?
You know how on the N64 every third sword attack had a different animation? Using two buttons could allow eight different combos that are effective against different enemies, without going too far off genre or using waggle controls.

Make it that spin-off Sheik game Retro briefly worked on.

Nintendo just doesn't like money.

I dunno… Nintendo gave us Twintelle's and Zelda's asses this year.

gamebanana.com/games/5866

They also signed off the sexiest Zelda ever (pic related) and Lana and motherfucking Cia.
I really think that the Sheik game would work really well as a Zelda II spiritual sequel, especially since Aonuma has said he'd like to revisit it at some point.

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The Zelda ass this year wasn't much and it was in service of a mediocre game

BoTW has about a decade to catch up on Skyrim's modding community. And I doubt it will get half as far.

Its about as easy to mod as Skyrim is, just drag+dropping of files and its pretty much a native PC game at this point with CEMU. Not to mention the engine is far more capable

Can't you only replace files, though?

There is a level of scripting capability in the game engine itself. Nintendo went with a more open-ended approach to BotWs engine design. Hell, it literally just uses Havok physics

Why live
Also kind of wish they actually added story descriptions for all those missions in the Master Quest mode. Half of those seemed like they could have had a decent set up with like 10 words, especially one particular one I recall where you played as Link allied with Cia against every female hero.

KoRL still replaces one of the horses, though, and that's the problem. It seems like anything you add has to replace something.

You don't *have too* but people do for simplicity sake. It's entirely possible to add content as DLC for example

I doubt BoTW will get as far as Skyrim has in modding development and overhaul mods any time soon is what I'm saying. If I'm going to download a mods for BoTW I'm going to want shit that fixes some of it's incredibly heavy flaws. Which will take some time with how deep some of those flaws are. Either way you can't lie tat Skyrim has some pretty complicated mods made for it, Much of which will take years to implement in another game.

Most of the flaws are with the game's core content
Mods will never fix that, just like they don't with elder scrolls games

That's a correct way to put it, though. Gerudo ganon was way in the past at the time the story in that pic was told.

context

Never said they would. Just stating that as far as the modding for a game goes BoTW has a long way to go.

Speaking of mods would it be possible to mod BotW with procedurally generated rooms for a rogue-lite type Zelda game?

The live memory editor is absolutely astounding, and the fact that there isn’t a similar one for Twilight Princess HD makes me sad.

Nigger, no. They should just make like 8 slots for weapons, shields, and bows, and have each with an equipment that either doesn't break, or restores itself like the master sword.
Other than that, I like having variant weapons. I really dig the spear weapons and the two-handers' spin attack.
There could be a variant shield that launches a disc that stuns enemies instead of the parry to fill the role that boomerangs/hookshots used to do.
Also, boomerangs sucked this time around. Never bothered to keep one on hand because it sucks for both melee and range. I say either improve it or remove it.

I just got this game not too long ago. Should I use the English VA or the Japanese VA?

Yeah, and all the previous games are like the "dark history"

Japanese or anything but English.

I bet it's just as cringe in japanese if you spoke japanese.

True, but at least chosing a language you can't speak you can ignore the cringe.

the entire story itself is cringe though

I know that feel bro. Pass the milk.

Where does this fit into the Zelda timeline? Is it the future of Termina?

Nowhere.
I think Termina was retconned out of existence by Aonuma.

More like

The Majora Mask concept would be a hell of a thing to revisit. BotW especially made me want the ability to have Link become a Rito and actually be able to fly around instead of just gliding downwards. Making it similar to Mario's Wing Cap from 64 would be perfect where you dive to get more speed before pulling back up.

It's said stupidly, but it's meaning that when Ganon first showed up, it was in the form of a Gerudo, which was true.

And ruin any semblance of fun exploration as a result. If you do that sort of shit you better make it incredibly sparse or make a large level area meant specifically for it.

what? You mean like fast travel, the horse and revali's gale already do?

Then design around it and have enemies that are easier to combat with the various masks. This is not hard. Hell the Rito mask would be an upgrade, if you're concerned about it make the mask time limited and have upgrades to that time until the end of the game where you can do it for as long as you want.

Or you could go full multiform balance and make Ritos weak against thunder, since they're likely to be the highest thing in the sky they'd get thunder'd if certain enemies are in play or the weather's different.

Gorons would be damaged by rain since they're rocks, Zoras would be damaged by heat since they're fish, Ritos would suffer similar problems, and it's easy to regulate usage through level design. There's really no reason not to do stuff like this outside of not wanting to.

I'm tired of this limiting shit people do because they're afraid of upsetting balance, for god's sake stop putting superflight shit on limits and just go fucking crazy and see what sticks. Playing it safe makes for a boring ass game, and if it's not up to snuff it's going to be interesting anyway.

There's really no way to design a level around unlimited flight without making literally everything in the game revolve around it
Or contriving ways to prevent the player from flying all the time in important areas, but that's far less efficient and much more noticeable than just not having unlimited flight

Though that's assuming it would have an actual use in the course of the game, and wouldn't be some easter egg-tier endgame upgrade like fierce deity

No I mean develop a separate level for it only or make it usable at certain heights or something. I explained this earlier in the thread. Once to make traversing a world a fucking breeze the world becomes a lot smaller and a lot less interesting. The original Zelda games made traversing the world difficult through lots of combat and actual gameplay so your focus wasn't looking at the world as eyecandy. By allowing the player to climb most any surface and glide around you're essentially making the world more easy to navigate and as a result you get less satisfaction out of discovering new things because there was much less effort put into it.

Or just fly over them because you don't have to fight them as a result
Might work, but definitely not as long as you want. After you start flying infinitely you might as well type "noclip" into the console as all the effort into the game is essentially gone.
Well none of those things you mentioned have anything to do with making exploration an joke.
God forbid a game has some sort of structure to keep it engaging.
Nothing sticks. That's the problem. The second you give the player a feature that basically trivializes earlier mechanics they're not going to feel as engaged by that same lack of mechanics. Sure you could fly over the entirety of Hyrule, but then you would be missing out on everything in the game that isn't flying. And then when you actually did engage in said mechanic (such as combat or a certain quest) there's going to be large segments of those mechanics not meshing together with the fact that you can fly. It's like how the biggoron sword trade quest in OoT was completely fucking ruined by the fact that you could just warp near the places you wanted to go. You could argue you were just using your brain in that moment but it also trivializes the initial point of the quest.

Excuse the typo's. It's been a long day.

What if your time in flight is limited by stamina? And flapping uses alot of stamina?

Course the work-around of eating infinite stamina items on inventory would be to be forced to "equip" your stamina potion with one hand before using it. Meaning you need an empty hand to consume elixers in real time. Meaning you can't consume elixirs if the task requires two hands.

You could get away with drinking elixirs while climbing because you can hang on the wall with one hand unless it rains. However things like paragliding/flying are out of the question for those tasks requore both hands to not fall. And you cannot drink potions while falling.

Also was anyone disappointed that the bug-catching net was not a melee weapon in BotW?

I think limiting flight by stamina was obvious to everyone, considering Medli had a stamina bar. That would've been enough in any other Zelda game due to the bottle limit, but as you said, in BOTW there's nothing really stopping you from chugging a dozen potions in midair.

It might be a good idea to nerf potions and food in general.
1. food items take time to absorb (or simply can't be used when you're doing anything else)
2. potions can't be made without an empty bottle
3. the "hearty" effect means it heals a certain amount and CAN overheal, rather than a full heal plus an amount of overheal

With how hearts changed "Hearty" should've really lasted longer, and give temporary heart containers that can be replenished with regular food until the effect expires. How BOTW changed hearts in general is stupid, getting one hit early on isn't fun and neither is tanking one singular hit and then having to heal even though you have like 12 hearts.

Just introduce a potion sickness mechanic.

I was thinking food should be eaten while resting at camp or while in an inn. Give food more potent effects that last a whole day or half a day, but can't eat until the effect wears off. Originally I had this idea for "spirits" or beverages but changed to food. Foods that increase heart containers actually give you heart containers you can re-heal until the effect is over. Extra hearts are blue hearts. There are potions that give temp hearts (yellow) but those hearts disappear after hit like hearty shit in BotW. However they don't replinish red/blue hearts.

Potion effects weren't just buffs. There were "auras" too like flame aura that catches enemy's unarmed or wooden weapons on fire. Also if you walk through grass it burns. And you emit light which makes stealth impossible.

Though come to think, fire aura would be a better fairy makic.

The DLCs were shit as all fuck and just reskins of pre-existing enemie. All I wanted was a post-game quest, restoring Hyrule Castle Town, a building simulator that used pic-related as building blocks, transformation masks and a qt Zelda companion (or an update that gives you the option to add Midna to wolf Link) that you can bring or leave at any time. Fuck this gay furfag world.

FUCKING WASTE OF MONEY

Why the fuck would medli be in BotW
She's a plot-related side character
The only characters that show up in multiple games are main characters or minor joke characters like tingle and beedle that can serve a useful purpose and be plopped in anywhere

Skyrim has more content (new places always hold some weird quests)
BotW has better gameplay (combat, climbing and physics).

Replayed Zelda 1 recently to see if BotW had some vibes from it (I guess so), to my enormous surprise you can use the keys from one dungeon in another dungeon. If you fuck up you can buy more keys. What the hell… this really breaks all the dynamics from introduced since Zelda 3.

I don't believe we'll be seeing more combat options. TP introduced a lot of optional unlockable sword moves and SS finally delivered a WiiMote-sword. We didn't really wanted what we asked for. So we're still mostly bound to N64 rules, refined by WW.

I miss Midna so much.

Avoid English.
Any other language is better.
Blessed those whose main language isn't english.
Even creatures from other planets with no understanding of any of BotW languages should understand that the english "voice talent" for princess Zelda is an emotionless autist.

It's not like they particularly cared about a carefully established canonical timeline but in BotW they really tried to retcon a ton of things.
I'm pretty sure Zoras had evolved into Ritos in Wind Waker, but they coexist in here. Probably a parallel timeline, I can't care any longer.

Anyway, they mention the sages of Ocarina of Time quickly a couple of times and how they opposed Ganon, so I guess this is the timeline where Ganon was defeated and Link leaves for Termina. No references to Twilis though, apart from the mirror and some artstyle.

This. Still valid in my headcanon.

I wanted a dream where you remembered what happened 100 years ago.
All champions alive, Hyrule town still around.
They could've perfectly recycled 99% of the map and no one would have cared
I WANTED TO BE HEALED BY THE REAL MIPHA, NOT BY HER GHOST

Maybe you think English is bad because when you hear other languages you can't really appreciate them in full like a native speaker would, noticing even small tone differences from how a word is pronounced, or if something sounds off. And i think this is part reason of weeb's favoring of Japanese dubs as well.

My native language sounds so - so in my opinion but i prefer english voices, probably due to what i described

They can still do that for a sequel
And there's a good chance they will, given the amount of work put into it and the success the game had

Well there are three timelines. And I hate to cite Gay Theory but I like the idea of BotW in the Fallen Hero timeline.

As for Zora and Rito co-existing it's possible in any timeline really if enough time passes. So long as Zora's still have a place they can call home they can live unevolved while those that move away evolve into Rito.

As for koroks I'll cite the manga. Non-canon I know. Kokiri are the spirits of children lost in the lost woods rescued by the Great Deku Tree before they become skull kids. Rest is head canon. Kokiri don't age because they aren't alive. And eventually as time passes Kokiri forget what it's like to be human. So they eventually assume the form of tree spirits, Korok forms, to be closer and safer with the Great Deku Tree.

What,no bird lolis?

I just started playing this game with cemu and i have to ask. What the fuck is with this climate? is it 60% chance of rain every day?

This is your brain on good goyness. At least Zelda can produce worth while offspring.

quick 'n' dirty edit

Welcome to all open world games to ever be created. Apparently people who work on rain mechanics REALLY want their work to be shown or something. Tell me does BoTW have rain that clips through ceilings? The only other game I've known about that doesn't is Gothic.

Holy shit it's jasonafex.

...

there was a mod for morrowind that stopped snow and rain etc from clipping through solid objects, maybe it was part of MCP, don't really remember. anyway, shit dropped my fps by about 20. sage for blogpost.

Nah it's nice to know since it's one of the things I hate the most in any game with weather mechanics. Believe me there's a ton of mods for Oblivion and Skyrim about this shit and both of them ignore this simple fact.

No it's not.
Theres no random jiggling and the sounds of someone fisting a jar of mayo

I wouldn't have an issue with it if it wasn't for the fact the rain makes shit impossible to climb, and it always rains when i need to climb shit

Not impossible, just harder

You shouldn't be able to climb most surfaces in general.

I want the newfag-grooming furkikes to fuck off and stay fuck off.

Stone is the basis for most structures in the world, and there's literally zero reason for that not to be climbable, either in natural form or brick form
The only things that shouldn't be climbable are perfectly or nearly smooth surfaces, which there aren't a whole lot of

The most there's an argument for is that there should be some sort of equipment or skill-based progression for being able to climb more difficult surfaces

This is retarded. Go back and read what I've said on the concept about making your world to easy to traverse.
There needs to be.

The only argument I could make for climbing is that it should be long, extremely tedious, and rarely worth the effort. The idea of being able to cut off a path that may be dangerous by simply climbing over a small wall is kinda bullshit. A neat idea would be if tougher enemies were often on higher ground but that's a lot more to consider instead of just removing the element entirely.

>>>/suicide/

So it shouldn't be in the game, then
You're countering meh game design with outright bad game design

More like if you HAVE to have it then do it that way. It's a better alternative to simply being able to climb most any surface. The best alternative would do not have it at all and just ad vine walls and ladders like the older games did.

If you want to change literally the entire game that's fine, but you can't say it's solely the fault of the climbing, which is unanimously considered one of the best parts of the exploration, which people love

You really need to pull your head out of your ass here. I don't have an issue with being able to climb many surfaces in a game. The problem is being able to climb just about anywhere and not having the world built around this concept.
No the gliding helps to fuck that over as well.
By normalfags who enjoy Skyrim. Like I've stated already in this thread, the second you make the actual exploration in a game an easy experience you inevitably end up taking exploration for granted, and as a result you take the things you discover for granted as well. When the day comes that devs can handle an open world and have ALL of its mechanics make sense and not break or lessen other mechanics in the end result is the day I'll be waiting for among many other people. As it is now though the ability to climb devalues to many other mechanics in the game.

I think climbing bare handed is already tedious in BotW. Even more so with how often I have to open the menu to keep chugging bug juice.

That said the key to making climbing fun is balancing when and where climbing is necessary. Early game should be about exploring the low ground for equipment needed to climb higher (or lower in the underworld). Then late game when you know where to go climbing you should have the climbing pick, ropeshot, grip ring, and bug juice needed to take those shortcuts or to find that heart piece/stamina drop.

What you discover is taken for granted because what you "discover" is hot garbage, the content is the worst aspect of the game next to the combat
Taking away gliding and making climbing a fucking chore that nobody wants to do and has no purpose would only make people walk/horse everywhere, which is tedious and annoying in a world this size and would not make anyone appreciate the shitty shrines any more

That's my problem? You're the one who stated that climbing was the best part of exploration. If the actual discoveries are fucking garbage then how is the "exploration" any better?
God forbid you traverse a world in a way that actually makes the world feel large.
I think what you're saying is that if you remove the shitty mechanics of the game you'll find that they were the only thing keeping it engaging due to how game breaking they were. Kinda like the physics powers that let players treat the world like a sandbox simulator. Because fucking with physics props is the the first thing I think of when I play Zelda.

I think instead of shrines I would prefer interlocking labrynths. Maybe some labyrnths have multiple entrances or maybe you can connect two labrynths to make a short cut with the right tools.

The thing the original Zelda had was that each tool you find makes the world easier to explore or increases your survivalbility. I didn't get alot of that from BotW either because I always found what I needed to survive that area like ingridients for a potion or the game gives it to me. The original felt like it didn't matter what order you find the puzzle pieces in the end but each piece you find lays out a unique path to the next piece and so on.

No, not really
There was no game to break
You might have half a point if there was linear world design that would necessitate restricting movement, but throwing it out entirely and making players focus instead on the parts of games literally everyone hates wouldn't fix it

The original Zelda didn't have this and it did just fine.
What, the combat and discoveries? Like I said, that's not my fault that they're shit. But if you're going to have a good Zelda game you should probably have good combat and shit to discover. The fact that they failed that doesn't mean the climbing is somehow better. It just means you can use a bad mechanic to ignore even worse mechanics. This is a Zelda game, the combat and exploration should always the key aspects of what makes it enjoyable.

The original zeldo was 2D and had a very small world separated into individual screens, and the majority of the things to discover in that world were incredibly obtuse playground rumor bullshit to bar progression in the otherwise open world and pad out the playtime
And holding forward for five minutes at a time to get to the other end of an open space filled with nothing but enemies and basic pickups to get to the next actual point of interest
This shit is why fast travel is such a big thing in open world games
And if BotW didn't have climbing and gliding, you bet your ass shrines would be marked on the minimap after climbing the ubisoft towers

I don't think you understand that what made the game work was the fact that moving through the world alone was a challenge. When you got to that next temple you were pumped because you had to work to get there.
This is why you fill it with enemies. The funny thing is if the game actually HAD enough enemies to make the combat worth your time then you could just as easily go around them by climbing. Hence the issue with climbing.
This thread is about fixing the games problems to make the game better. Not realistically assuming what would be done if something were missing.

And having to wait for screen transitions was not where the challenge lied, it was the puzzle aspect, the vague bullshit riddles and item uses
Every open world game does this, it objectively doesn't work
There was a discussion just this morning in the dragon's dogma thread about how to most effectively place fast travel locations to avoid the most annoying traveling
I could also bring up a game that had a really interesting world to explore without being frustrating, Shadow of the Colossus, which achieved that feat by having literally zero enemies other than the colossi, as well as making the game extremely linear and always pointing you where you need to go with your proto-quest marker, which I'm sure you don't want
The only issue with climbing is that you can't think of any way to design around it other than to practically remove it from the damn game

What? No obviously but what does that have to do with what I said?
I think you're missing my point entirely. Traversing the world in the original Zelda was a challenge in itself. You often had to make it to a temple while keeping your HP in good standing and keep up the fight without losing to much health in the process. Which is what made it engaging to find new areas because it was often the case that you did when you were nearly dead.
Maybe that's because open world games tend to be shit either way. Much of this is because there's very little structure with how the mechanics mesh together.
SotC is its own genre of weirdness. I would hardly compare it to just about any open world game, especially BoTW.
So then don't have it. Simple. Structure your world so only certain areas are climbable while having a decent enemy variety and make traveling innately dangerous and make the combat interesting enough so that you don't get bored. This way you're not holding a button doing nothing and making to to certain places feels rewarding.

What are you actually trying to say anyway? That climbing is good or bad? Or that it's just a bad feature that's made decent because there's fuckall left to do in the game. You're not having any semblance of direction in what you're trying to assert here.

Even if you removed climbing and gliding
Even if you made things to find in the world that required you to have health
Even if you unfucked the infinite healing food system
Even if you unfucked the equipment system to make combat not piss easy
Even if you removed the big ass open world and had levels more like the older games
Even if you made the world more populated, with more varied enemies that weren't just dudes with swords
It would still be a 3D game, and it would still not have the original zelda's 4-directional movement, you could just fucking run around things unless you're inside a dungeon
But then at that point you wouldn't really have BotW anymore

Climbing is a good mechanic, and at most needs more structure and mechanics, and a better designed environment to use it in, not arbitrary nerfs to make it never useful

Projectiles+faster enemies helps with this. It would make a horse much more useful as well since you could outrun certain enemies. If I recall you ran past many enemies in the original game as well. And it wasn't always the best decision as you would often have to run into a smaller area and HAVE to deal with enemies up ahead which meant you were going to get pounded from behind.
By structure you mean removing 90% of the climbable walls in the game. OoT had climbing as well if you recall and it did it well because it was in areas that made sense and even had walltula's so you would think twice about doing it. I'm not saying climbing should never be included in Zelda ever again. Just that it doesn't need to be big deal.
There's nothing arbitrary about how I've been going about this. If you can make a B line to a place you want to get to by climbing over everything to get to it then it's shit because it means much to many aspects about exploration and combat are cut out.

What a coincidence, that would also stop you from climbing and gliding

You keep suggesting the complete removal of the sandbox and a return to limited linear scripted sequences because you can't come up with a way to improve the sandbox, that's not a problem with the mechanics, it's a problem with you

Almost like you shouldn't do either mid battle.
If your adventure game is a sandbox to begin with it's a fucking failure. Either way the method of being able to climb anywhere is innately retarded as it assumes that there's no reason for there to be mountains in the first place if you can just climb right over them at a 90 degree angle.
It's a problem with the mechanics.

You don't say?
If you can do that, then there is no reason for them to be there other than to serve as a climbing challenge
You act like there are no ways to block off progression and have obstacles in the world if climbing exists, yet more proof of your incredibly stubborn orthodox thinking

So can we improve climbing anywhere by making it require expensive resources like picks and rope or do we remove climbing entirely for a better method of vertical transport?

I don't think this needs to be more of a survival crafting game, there's nothing wrong with standard quest-based equipment progression

I did
So what you're saying is that climbing removes the need for mountains?
Name some other ways then. As far as a natural looking environment goes a simple wall IS the best way to block or at least direct progression.
If you're going to dismiss the concept that mountains aren't the most natural and simple obstacles without providing better examples you're not really defeating the points I'm presenting. And you're still missing the concept here that a mountain is supposed to be something that naturally blocks progression. I'm not denying you should be able to climb it but if that's going to be the case there needs to be an incredibly sturdy reason as to why you may want to consider simply going around it.

Well assuming you can make a map that
*can't make you stuck by boxing you in at any time
*has mountains designed to be skipped
*makes the trip barely worth it outside of a few areas
*forces you to really consider if the use of this item isn't better off spent later on down the road
*ect
The problem is once you add climbing on nearly any surface of the game you have to design your map entirely around that mechanic. Which is a problem because there's multiple mechanics at work. Maybe idealistically it's possible to have a game where the majority of the walls and surfaces are climbable, but in a more realistic point of view you're saving yourself several months of effort by simply having static climbing surfaces that can deliver a similar feeling. As it is now though BoTW just doesn't adhere to either of these things so it fails miserably on both. I would like to see the 3D game done well that allows you to climb any surface though.

I wasn't suggesting crafting. I was suggesting buying the stuff pre-made like you would in a table top game.

It removes the need for mountains to serve as a static unpassable obstacle
Also, are you retarded?
Used to be conventional wisdom that the best way to direct progression in an open world without forcing linearity was challenge, with player skill and perseverance being the deciding factor on whether the "intended" path was followed
A great example of this kind of challenge applied to climbing already exists in the game, in the form of rain
I guess there's also the waterfall climbing being blocked behind progression, if that counts as climbing

Okay… For maps that make it impossible to box you in have it to where either:

1) Dead ends like that always have some sort of exit either as an escape cave or as an environmental puzzle.
2) Give Link an item he can use at that point in the game to allow him to escape that trap like a recorder/flute that warps him to specific places on the map (back tracking being a bitch to get back).
3) Saving the game and restarting always move Link to the nearest restart point like an entrance/inn/camp.

To further expand on the "crafting" system I'm basing my ideal vision of a Zelda game during early rennaisaunce times. There are no flintlocks because magic still exists and almost anyone with the right tools can use it. Resources are opposite of BotW: Scarce resources but cheap labor. Most items you can buy pre-made or you can cut the cost by bringing resources to artisans which they sell you labor.

The only real artisan trade Link will have is cooking. He'll be a chef for a band of thieves. A trade that requires no lifetime to learn and is essential to survival.

Also instead of mountains being the only barrier why not have martial law?

Their mountains. Static is kinda their point as their not intended to move or change all that much, and interaction with it should simply act as a part of the terrain. Even then though I'm not stating every mountain should SERVE as a wall. Only that they should exist to create an obstacle towards the player. It's like I said earlier. If you remove obstacles you remove half the fun out of exploration. There's more than 1 way to climb a mountain that doesn't devolve to making the entire thing a vine wall and hoping the player would get tired of it. Add rockslides (sort of like the falling rocks in the original), quicker stamina drain due to elevation, multiple flying enemies that often peck at you when you're climbing a wall and basically do shit to interfere with your progression.
And like I said, climbing the mountain should be much more difficult than going around it in most cases as a result. It's a giant pile of rock that often serves as a stopping point. A mountain should not be a thing you see as the best choice of progression. Either way the only things I can think that would make climbing worth the effort would also be nearly impossible to implement without some serious effort and like the removal of other mechanics. The way I see it you're much less likely to screw the pooch if you just have a series of well placed vine walls and climbable surfaces that don't follow a linear path.

We're on autosage? Would it be okay to make a new thread?

one more page, then yeah.