This is driving me crazy. Why isn't there a single photograph or portrait of Max Stirner...

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That's Rudolf Steiner not Max Stirner

I made that image

*That's not Stirner*

I did a presentation about his weird cult some months ago at school. Dude is spooked to no bounds.

fuck you, google

I started this rumor. Basically, most of what we know about Stirner comes from Engels. The illustration of him? Engels made it. Who informed Marx of Stirner? Engels, and he actually said he liked Stirner a lot. It only makes sense

Engels also wrote about how Stirner and Marx would supposedly spend entire nights arguing in the kitchen when all three of them shared an apartment in Paris.

There's also one by Felix Vallotton. Was he in on the joke?

Stirner and Marx arguing is just Engels and Marx arguing.

Felix was born after Max Stirner supposedly died.

Holy shit.

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What about John Henry Mackay? He supposedly popularized Stirner outside of of Germany

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_Mackay

Oh, plus only Max was buried whereas Engels was supposedly cremated and his ashes were spread at an unknown location.

Born after Max Stirner supposedly died

photographs steal your ego

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Well this photograph certainly stole mine.

WRONG

right but it says he helped to popularize stirner. i mean, are we implying that Stirner just didn't exist at all?

who dis be?

What I'm saying is that he's not proof Stirner actually existed, seeing as he was born after Stirner died.

Oh he existed, as Engels' alter ego and pen name for shitposting. Marx humoured Engels for a while about it but eventually grew tired of it. Then Marx The German Ideology with Engels to help him grow up and abandon his imaginary friend.

The only way one can prove Stirner existed is to dig up his grave and do a scanning to see what he looks like

And we'll finally see that he was Freddy Engels the whole time

I'm actually starting to believe this.

get some phrenologist, we need to determine whether or not the skull has a big forehead.

What about Stirner's marriages, and his job as a teacher? There have to be actual records of these.

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well true that for sure. it's like that whole biz about shakespeare actually existing

Is Engels Tyler Durden?

nah shakespeare existed. Homer is a legend though.

And Socrates was just Plato's OC.

And I would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for you meddling spooks!

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We might as well say that Socrates was made up by Plato then, though.

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Why is the gravestone marked Max Stirner if his name was actually Johann Kaspar Schmidt?

SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK

Engels was this close from calling him Johann Doe.

Because Engels got sloppy and couldn't keep his story straight.

The guys actual name was Johann Kaspar Schmidt. Max Stirner was a pseudonym. Listen in on Wes Cecils lecture about him, he was always bothered by censors and didn't publish his material openly. Read the fucking Wikipedia article or just google him, there is more info about him than his one book, although it is somewhat sparse.
Also, the caricature apparently looks nothing like him, so one might regard our image of Max Stirner as wholly separate from the real Kaspar Schmidt.

Johann Kaspar Schmidt was the name Engels gave him since Max Stirner was really just a description of his doodle.

Are there any stories about Engeles investing or having his own milkshop?

It was just a funny story about him that Engels made

Epik conspiracy meme brah, just add some more jews and you can cuntpaste it all over Holla Forums!

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why does this shit trigger me so much

You just gotta work past your autism, bruv!

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Didn't he get married and spend the dowry on a milk shop that ran for a few years?

What is they indeed.

Read Stirner's Bio from Mackay
The last chapters will give you a feel

Can you provide these?

The reason I shared this in case everyone has missed it is that the year of death is wrong.

Max Stirner is Tyler Durden, kek.

wtf

There are of Stirner and remember Stirner had blonde eyes and blue hair so it's obvious why Stirnerites love to bury his images.

I can't see the filename, what does it say?

Dumb polyp

I'm new to both socialism and this website. Could anyone explain this meme? I'd be very grateful.

stirner was an anarchist philosopher who made marx butthurt, as every anatchist philosopher of the time did

his most important work is pdf related

max stirner is a fucking spook.png

It was not the important part of the post.

i'll buy that

It wasn't really hard to make Marx butthurt, he would have been a textwall sperg neet who browsed 4chan boards looking for a fight if he were alive today. He even sold his pants because he realized like all true basementdwellers that pants are leg prisons.

That was a money laundering scheme by engels.

It all adds up!

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Oh my god it's real

For a dollar?

But he died in 1855

Exactly. The facts don't add up. Friedrich has gotta be a bit more consistent with his fanfiction

dude

He wasn't Engels' trollsona, he was Marx's tulpa. Why else would he write more about him than "Stirner" himself ever did?

Then why did Marx only know about Stirner until Engels told him?

That would have been a fun apartment to hang around in. 10/10 would smoke weed and play Mario Kart in.

Mario Kart?
More like Marx Karl. Nintendo is just a globalist cultural Marxist jew SJW company

Sorry, forgot to link this
youtube.com/watch?v=WKW7cZ9WCFk

The man tried to do a doxxing in a philosophy book. He was an IRL shitposter.

Can confirm.

There is no account of him until 1898.

In other words, there is not a single mention of him living when he was supposedly alive.

In other words, he's a fictional character.

So then, when did he tell him?

False. The German Ideology was written in 1846.

Spookman is a cross-dimensional traveler, he visits us from his unspooked perfect universe where billions of alien species all coexist perfectly without war or hierarchy and its all because they associate as a union of egoists. He appeared in the 19th century to throw us a bone, but departed after realizing Nationalism, Liberalism and Communism were cancers that would consume mankind

Did anyone other than Marx and Engels write about him before he died?

Ludwig Feuerbach, a Young Hegelian, wrote a respone to the Ego and Its Own. But Engels was the only person who supposedly knew him.

So despite Stirner/Schmidt supposedly going to regular meetings of Young Hegelians, the only person who actually knew him was Engels? The only other way anyone responded to him was through responses to his works?

Is the information for the other Hegelians as sparse and difficult to come by?

The only person to talk about Stirner as a person, from as I can tell, is Engels. Yes, a lot of the information is hard to find, which is why I have doubts about his existence.

Sorry, I misinterpreted your second question. Most of the Young Hegelians have huge comprehensive biographies. Max's life is much more vague tho.

So apparently Max Stirner went to meetings with the Young Hegelians but he didn't really contribute many ideas. Again, most people there said nothing about him except responses to his book. Engels, however, said he was great friends with Max. He did infact marry a Young Hegelian named Marie Dahnhardt, but there's little info on her.

fek

some say he lives on to this day in the foothills of the Appalachian trail

holy shit

are you suggesting stirner is a social construct?

should I just go fuck myself then? I'll just go fuck myself then

I'm not so certain that a fabricated persona can be said to exist

fuckkkk

only ruble

we need the Internet's best minds on this shit

his name was Friedrich Engels

Relevant to this thread

because you have a modicum of decency

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counterfeit money machine! make your money at hooooommeeee!

got a link?

It's here
Stirner's biography

another system of oppression to keep the proletariat in unendurable stasis

This is some /x/-tier shit.

Uh? I thought Marx and Stirner never met…

But Engels IS stirner

Yeah, in the wiki, it says that Mackay wrote a biography on Stirner. Unless he made all that shit up and was in on Engels' joke, Stirner must have existed.

So Stirner's grave was lost and without a tombstone until a few years before Engel's death?

In the final chapters it says his grave wasn't found until 1889, and the tombstone was added in 1892. Engels died in 1895.

So did Engels prepare it in his old age and then get burried there? Engels was supposedly cremated and his ashes were scattered in an undisclised location.

We must go deeper

Undisclosed*
Also I was only quoting this guy, but I think he might've been wrong.

From Wikipedia 'his ashes were scattered off Beachy Head, near Eastbourne as he had requested'.

Though I guess we can't know for sure.

I need this in anime form.

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What if Stirner isn't just a pseudonym, but an actually personality that Engels went into?

Like Tyler Durden?
…wait

Stirner is the harsh reality user. But because it's impractical it's only use is as a thought experiment.

Maybe they know the truth about Stirner

His wife pretty much confirmed his existence unless the wife was also Engels

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it all makes sense now

Marx & Engles were so strong that no theoretician could challenge them so they created a fake persona "Max Stirner" and published a book under his name. They made sure to infuse the densest autism in that book we now know as "The Me and the My by Stirner" so that they could tear it into bits in the German Ideology.

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Doesnt add up, Stirner was married and his wife hated him, and she lived up to the first years of 1900

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Is there any German user that could help? There must be a lot more rare info about Stirner in his native language.

Mackay was born after Stirner supposedly died. Try again

So now that we figured out Max was just Engel's OC the elephant in the room is who's actually buried in that grave?

Who did Engel's want "disappeared"

Read this

German user here. There's just not a lot of info about him in general, but he did exist.

No he didn't.

Engels made him up to catfish cute girls.

Have we started the fire?

What's your proof?

This is driving me fucking crazy man.

Saving this thread in advance

Fucking commies. Now I wont be able to sleep thinking in your stupid conspiracy.

Does anyone have proof his wives existed? What have they said about Max?

Is this the final despook? Realizing that Stirner was the greatest of all the spooks?
Will we transcendend into socialism now?

Is he studied or mentioned in school and universities?

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Marx, Engels and Stirner pretty much had the same vocabulary in 1844. There's no other explanation for this.

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>tfw The REAL shitpost of Max Stirner is that Engels created this persona to show that spooks are nearly impossible to live without, therefore anyone who took "Stirner's" work to heart were actually proving the points of Marx and Engels

Stirner was right though. Marx epically BTFOs himself when trying to criticize him.

You know that's an actual academic theory, right? Same as the idea that Shakespeare wasn't real nor Homer.

who ya gunna call

The first woke af person on Earth & he is just a drawing, an idea. I hope he doesn't becomes a Jesus Christ (a spook).

What we know is that he was indeed a living human being, probably blonde or light brown hair, white, germanic, curlish hair, big brow, liked to smoke. The dude was a rockstar.

need to take it all the way to the top

was there any other answer? other than that Engels was roughly a half dozen people?

This is how I imagine him.

Probably not black pants but whatever. These were probably white.

the guy who inherited all his stuff (Buhl i believe) got into legal trouble and burned everything.

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he wasn't real you arm flapping weapon

His birth name was Johann Kaspar Schmidt. Go from there where you will.

This thread has just given me more doubts than certainties

if stirner was engels, it also means he let his best friend to spend his valuable years just to expose his shitposting? no, noone can be that evil.

If Stirner was indeed made up, why the fuck did Engels wait supposedly decades before sketching even a doodle of him?

Guys I unironically want to dig up the grave, fucking hell this thread.

I bet engels is in that grave.

Any german user who can help digging into this I just found? For some reason page is down now web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.max-stirner-archiv-leipzig.de/

There's a Curriculum Vitae he presents in 1934 there which is also on see "Max Stirner, Sein Leben und Sein Werk" by Mackay

web.archive.org/web/20050817103003/http://www.max-stirner-archiv-leipzig.de/stirner09.htm

(btw why isn't there an egoist anarchism flag here)

I digged into it and there is official proof he existed. Certificates from his school, newspaper articles and so on. This conspiracy surely runs deep.

Clearly Engels killed the real Marx, an upstanding humanist, and replaced him with a body double to promulgate the foul doctrine of materialism.
Tom Rockmore was right again!

Kek are there literally people alive today who believe socrates was real
Like nigger I bet you believe jesus was the son of God too lmao

Max Stirner existed there is just so much evidence that he did & no denials. Somebody from his time period would have already denied it if he didn't exist.

But are the photos of him real? The ones of his real name: "Johann Kaspar Schmidt"? is that him?

Why in the drawing he is blonde? althrough most blondes lose their blondness with time. Why he is a tall thin man with curly hair & The photos aren't like it?

This pic is possibly him. It's the one that comes the closest to the drawing.

Nice try milk shill.

Then who is the man in the picture I posted?

Theodore Roosevelt

web.archive.org/web/20160601193934/http://www.max-stirner-archiv-leipzig.de/max_stirner.html

and now kys

Cite some text because all I'm seeing is more names being added to this web of deceit and a "gosh I sure hope they aren't the same person!"
Not only was Engels Max Stirner, but G. Edward too!

No. Thats not Tedy Rusevelt.

Bit of a Freudian slip there, huh, milk 🍀🍀🍀jew🍀🍀🍀?

Great Source. Are you German homie?

What. Are you retarded or something man.

That's a young Marc Bloch.

The sources are German you retard and I'm not translating them just so you can start believing into the empiric work of historians

Yes I am. This is his school certificate by the way
web.archive.org/web/20160601193934/http://www.max-stirner-archiv-leipzig.de/images/abgangszeugnis_gymnasium.jpg

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So I've read more of it than you? The start of it raises the question of some more Stirner pseudonyms, then digs up what little evidence they could find. There's a very basic timeline involving family, travel, school, higher ed., debt jail, disease and death. All there is to back this up is a scraggly teacher's note and some newspaper clippings.

What the fuck do you except? There to be a photographic evidence? Letters, newspapers, official documents. That surely is enough, unless you can somehow prove that Engels created a persona and faked all the documents starting as early as 1806

Why'd they spell it like that? His middle name is spelled "Kasper"

The official document is just a scraggly old letter though. We have to go deeper.

search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gss=angs-g&new=1&rank=1&gsfn=Johann Caspar &gsfn_x=NN&gsln=Schmidt&gsln_x=NN&msypnftp=Germany&msypn=3253&msypn_PInfo=3-|0|1652381|0|3253|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|&MSAV=1&msbdy=1806&cpxt=1&cp=6&catbucket=rstp&uidh=000&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=1&msypnftp_x=1&msypn_x=XO&gl=allgs&gst=&ghc=50
We have to find his marriage.

Its such a coincidence that his name is Kasper Casper & we got Casper the friendly Ghost.

LOL.

Stirner is avant garde, too advanced for his era.

Fuck hang on the link trips formatting
tiny url.com/zqm3bx7
Had to break it

I tried finding Kasper earlier and there was only one result that died at the wrong time. I think Casper is the right way to spell it.

No wait, his name is spelled "Kaspar" but the certificate says "Caspar"

Maybe they made a mistake?

It's from Anglicising names, because I found his marriage certificate to Marie Dähnhardt.

This is a sad day for shitposting.

Or computers machine-reading scanned docs.

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hE is real guys! mystery solved

How can so many people possibly be so stupid as to believe that a simple Google images search has revealed to them some secret photo of Max Stirner hitherto unknown to anyone else?

Max didn't have black hair either.

Portraits and photographs are just spooks

Of course HAHAHAHAHA

They love each other tho. Marx is tsundere.

True but that doesn't mean they're incompatible. The concept of communism is compatible with egoism.

Individualist egoism =/= communist egoism
both exist & depend on individual 1 & individual 2 sharing life with each other. People can come to the egoist agreement of being communists with each other. It's how it was done in the StoneAge.

Annarchism is pure bullshit that have been destroyed twice:

1) thanks to Marxism.
2) thanks to History.

Anarchism is just in the garbage of history.

Thats incorrect because it can't be destroyed. It's the absence of. It's reality.

Before humans had intelligence & after humans developed it. Anarchism has been there forever & will continue to everything else is imaginary.

That's 100% correct. In theory, thanks to Marxism, anarchism was destroyed. In practice, thanks to History, is in the garbage of History.

It doesn't matter in which "rules" you want to believe in. In the end they don't actually exist.

Anarchism is the only reality.

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When I was younger I did. But even so does that makes them real? Nope. I still can't see them.

When I was younger also used to believe in God.

wow, what a rebel

hell yeah dude. livin' on the wild side.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MORE EVIDENCE

nvm guys he's real

Fug this gave me a good kek

We need to get real scholars and academics involved and we also need his grave digged.

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you mean disinter Engels' corpse

good fucking show lad

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steal your dang soul

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friendly reminder marxists unironically belive people obey common laws of cortesy solely because of the repercusion that follows if one breaks it

frienlyd reminder being a marxists is equal to being a mentally ill sociopath

friendly reminder that every communist regime ended in total tyranny because marxists lack every common sense of empathy,they are nothing but a primitive animal that has to be chained and beaten to have any form of stable society

friendly reminder you're a LARPer

t. bootlicker cuck that belives he is the next vanguard

Based mods

So did he exist or not?

We don't know but I say no

It was already done

etsy.com/listing/484881446/max-stirner-philosopher-art-doll?ref=market

/r/ someone colours it like that

That smug face, jeez.

But why?

But Wikipedia says

THE PROOFS ARE ACCUMULATING

egoists don't exist. if stirner was real he was still massively spooked, as ego is a spook as well (yes i did read ego and its own)

pure ideology pure ideology none of you are free from belief

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If you mean Stirner was destroyed by Marx, well then not really because the German Ideology is a rambling, incoherent mess which made little sense when it was written and makes absolutely no sense now.
Free Territory? Functional, destroyed by Leninists. Catalonia? Extremely functional, destroyed by Leninists. Rojava? Functional, will probably be destroyed by Leninist infiltration eventually if the Turks don't do it first. It seems to keep rising again and again to form functional nonhierarchical societies, unlike a certain other ideology which has only ever brought brutal state capitalist dictatorships into existence. Come on, you're seriously going to say that history /hasn't/ vindicated anarchism?

Where's that video of a Turkish midget yelling "top kek" when you need it?

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Oh noes! The margxist posted an ebin maymay and called me an anarkiddie!!! Whatever will I do?! My point has been refuted beyond all question!

On another note, don't call yourself a Marxist if you believe in what Lenin had to say. You're not making Leninism better, you're just making Marxism worse.

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CATALAONIA WASN'T EITHER YOU GODDAMN ATOMIZED INDIVIDUAL

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It's not anarchist but a synthesis between ecological anarchism and classical Marxism.

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Max Stirner is actually black

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