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I wanna make games that appeal to girls and women, and I think women desire gameplay that is about social interaction, cooperation, raising a child/pet, taking care of others, emotions where the conflict with other characters is about social status.

So far that seems clear, and I have plenty of ideas about games like that, mostly jrpg that focus on social status and character drama.

So far the gameplay ideas seem to work, based on my research of the psychological gender diferences.

But there's something that I want to discuss, and that is how to design the male characters (basically the suitors), what kind of male would be popular among girls/women.

Do they like the jpop weak twink type or they love the more muscular bara type?

So far I understand women despise the weak soyboys like hell.

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Twilight vampire guy is a great example of what they want. The alphas of the alphas. Rich, powerful, emotionally sensitive, and lusting but capable of holding back.
t. read some book about what people find attractive

consider using animal crossing as an example

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well, that's one of the male archetypes women want, but I think there's more male archetypes women are attracted to.

Maybe not animal crossing, but maybe having a cabin where you raise animals and do some basic harvesting of seasonal crops and have a basic workshop to make the town items, like magical soaps or portions for the shoopkeeper to sell to travelers while you live a faily standart harlekin romance story with some suitors.

I'm sure that could be interesting, a good game and something women would enjoy a lot.

women don't racemix on average.

What type of girls are you trying to appeal, as far as general women They like smart and suave men.

The only type of woman to play a visual novel, love game or whatever instead of diddling on her phone all day, so a fujoshit.

Oh, then some meathead hunk, but throw glasses on him and maybe suggest he cooks, so she can say he's complicated and sophisticated.

It has to be slow paced, casual stuff where they can play and also talk to their gal-pals on another window, or play while cooking. It also has to reward their need for validation with cutesy things or a fanfare. It's why they're so susceptible to Candy Crush and mobile shite.
Stuff like Animal Crossing and Harvest Moon appeals to them as well, though the gender divide there is 50/50, it seems. And lastly, you have things like Minecraft, Terraria and the like, which appeals to little girls mostly because their favorite jewtube hahaman likes it.

Good goy.

Women (or rather, girls) like Link, Snake and whatnot
Problem is that the women you describe aren't the women that play video games so no male characters will be able to attract them enough to play a game, it'd be a different female audience entirely

general women, I've been listening a lot of peterson videos about gender psychological diferences and I've always wondered about making a game girls would love.

Have you ever wonder why almost no girl actually play hardcore games?
I've always wondered that.

And then I saw anita videos and I think she has a point, most of the industry are nerds that lack enough experience with females.

I think the industry should cater to females, for several reasons, but I think the industry is doing stupid wrong shit, like trying to make action females.
And I see the confusion of males when women complain about males with boobs, because women don't solve their problems with violence, males do.
So, I've also started to think deeply about how pretty much all games main gameplay is about combat and violence, even cartoon violence.
And I don't think that's bad, but I see a lost oportunity.
Also, I think the first game that would cater women imagination wild, would make like millions.
Women are like half the population and there's so few hardcore games for them.

Is not about casual or slow, women can be pretty quick and pretty violent to other women.
But I feel gamedevs don't understand the psychology of women.
women dont engage in physical violence because in IRL they're physically weak and pretty much all time they're victims of physical violence (also rape).

So women I think, don't like combat or violence, and I think they rather be violent in terms of social status, which they do IRL to other girls.
most males hate such topics, so I think is an oportunity to make something new in games.

Oh yeah I completely forgot about link

is more like I want to have a serious talk about these ideas.

but I haven't seen any game centered about the female experience and is always through the lens of male gameplay they try to shoehorn males with vaginas, which most women don't enjoy tbh.

Women instinctively like drama because it brings attention (which they need to survive) and destabilization (which they need to feel useful because they can't work).

Most common male archetypes on harlequinn romances (porn for women): Vampire, werewolf, millionaire, pirate, cowboy, doctor, boss, bodyguard, prince, king.
The most common male power fantasy is either going to war and surviving or white-knighting and getting sex for it.
The most common female power fantasy is to tame a dangerous/powerful man into a decent husband.

That's all you need to know when you're doing a game for women.

drama is how women solve their problems.
they're physically weak and most of the time they had to survive along with the other women the warriors kept in the king harem, so they had to solve their issues with social violence, in lowering the status of the other girl, so they can rose to the top of their social pyramid.

much like males go and conquer the world through physical action, women conquer their social pyramid by destroying the other women in their competition for the alpha male attention.

Of course all this has to do with biology.

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sure, that seems to be the basic hero's journey archetypes for both genders.

It would be interesting to see such concepts applied to games, but most of them seem to apply mostly to jrpgs.

This?
-tall cool serious guy
-tall exotic guy
-tall playful energetic guy
-tall serious intelligent responsible glassed guy
-tall feminine looking emotional guy

I think women are also attracted to the foreign barbarian conqueror (warrior, conqueror) and some strong muscular men.

Although I think the muscular guy is more an archetype older women prefer.

Something inbetween obviously.

most women i know seem to mostly like games where gender really isn't a factor, mostly Nintendo games.

Do they play the wacky Zelda and Portal? Does it say so on their jewbook profiles?

You are already in the wrong.
Yes.
Do not give women what they think they want. Give women the male exemplar. Give women choices only from what MEN want to be.

I don't know but for some reason most of my female relatives have admitted to liking fat men.
So throw in a Mark or 2 in there.

something like this but with a girly face

that stems from the fact fat males historically have been always guys from wealthy families, remember people didn't have modern farming up to 50 years ago.

So being fat is the same as being wealthy in our subconcius.

most fat bodies are regarded as loyal and boding (beta) by females, while muscular guys were more attractive but were considere less boyfriend material (women have to compete for such males).

In any case, I'm going to sleep, and will love mods keep the thread, seem like a worthy topic of discussion.

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If you want the easy route, just make a mysterious guy and a bunch of females who are infatuated with him and make the woman protag win. When men check women they check if it is used goods, when women check men they check the ratings by other users.

Gotta sleep but I'll leave this question for discussion.

how all of this would translate into gameplay?

My sister likes Fallout 2 and Ultima VII even though I hate them. She's also a lesbo I suppose. So there's that. Women are both as diverse and as sheeple as men in their video game taste. The only difference I observed is they appreciate interpersonal interaction more than huge lore, huge politics, or complicated stories. And even if the huge scope exists, it should only be a background for the smaller, more intimate scope.

It's not that many women are remotely as "hardcore" about video games as my sister either though. Most women just play free smartphone games.

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I always thought girls would like Roleplaying where you develop a character and go on a journey with others, but I imagine a lot of them are turn off from roleplaying because of the audience that typically roleplays.

Nigger, women are fucking brutal to each other and a shitton of gurofags are women. They're the main audience of gory crime shows and viewership spikes dramatically whenever the victims are female.
As for non-mobileshit games women play, mostly stuff like JRPGs and puzzle games. The others are either posers, have normalfag-tier taste and are usually shit at vidya, or are mega-autists who obsess over a single genre or series.

Did a female relative diddle her when she was young?

No retard, women enjoy violence OTHERS do.

like they enjoy their suitor killing another women they hate.
They don't enjoy DOING IT, but this doesn't mean they dont enjoy violence.

Just that women enjoy interpersonal and emotional violence while males enjoy conquering and physical destruction.

How about this. Design a good fucking game first.

The winning condition is that he has the self control to not spend all his money on you and go broke while still giving you things, fucking you, and taking your places on a constant basis as you increase your demands steadily over time.

The winning condition is successful retirement(almost impossible) and children.

You can win this game, it's just really fucking hard.

She's just socially inept and stuff.

I'm p sure edgyfags exist in both genders.

Well no shit.

women have diferent brains, so it doesn't make sense to design female games using what males enjoy.

truly powerful

Basically the Sims. All women love the sims, they can't get enough of it.

Some males enjoy crossdressing and taking it up the ass, so…

You shouldn't need to intentionally design a game you'd think women would enjoy, design a good game first, and if women happen to enjoy it, there you go. Make a game you yourself would want to play. Just as women themselves would probably better understand how to makes games they would want to play.

I was reading feminazis opinions on traps and they hate traps.

even if you cut your dick you can suddenly change your brain structure and have periods and menopause and the hormonal cycle of periods.
gender is not a social construct, is BS.

and SIMS literally is the most sold game on PC all time.

Well, I'll ask this little small exercise that will blow your mind.

Design a good game without using combat, or physical violence againts others.

Do it.

so rare

I don't know if you're implying they need combat to be good or implying they don't exist, either way, you're retarded.

You beat me to it.

Most women hate traps, lesbos liking traps is a myth. What I'm saying is, some "men" like feminine stuff.

But most women are as accepting of combat and violence as men, though it's rarely what they obsess over unlike men. For God's sake OP, how about going outside your basement once in a while. Browse your female friends' steam and see what they're playing. It's that fucking simple.

I'll have to add: No competition, no violence, if you're autistic.

acording to polls about games and gender women prefer match 3, like 80% of women play that shit.

so VNs and walking sims basically which are not really games
doesn't mean they can't be fun though I guess
women don't play those, and they are almost always shit anyways aside from the ones that are violence/combat-focused like boxing
You got me there, though women don't really play the latter

Do keep in mind that a very specific kind of person answers gender polls about their taste in video games, and they're probably not the people actively playing vidya.

usabilitynews.org/video-games-males-prefer-violence-while-females-prefer-social/

Still puzzles, simulators, and some point & clicks. Even women can accept and enjoy competition, you're starting to sound like a whiny faggot, now. Here's a game more towards your style.

Its overwhelmingly obvious. The ESA has the statistics on this shit and they use it to peddle the false "50% of gamers are female" nonsense.
They are in it for mobileshit and social media games, at least the normalfag women are which are the overwhelming majority of "female vidya players".

It would make for a nice steam meme game and youtube eceleb bait.

All males would have hidden stats, and you would need to see through their bluff to know their cards and then you know when to put down or pass.

Most 3D can't get over how disgusting they are so an easy game to make bank on would be a RPG where you level up the body parts thru proper hygiene and corrective plastic surgeries. Money would obviously be a central part of achieving the level up, so grinding thru soyboys and betas to gain experience and cash and getting to the point of being able to withstand a Chad pump and dump or minority encounter that wasn't a liberal paradise as promised. Eventually, one would win when a stable relationship and offspring are produced who don't spend all day playing video games. I believe that was enough bait, my work here is done.

in a way violence can be considered a more tangible form of social interaction.

How about you make a game based on that popular anime "Your Name". I haven't seen it or read the plot really, but I think it has a good setting. So basically, you customize your female/male character and your soulmate. You are both placed randomly in the the city and you choose a house or job like in Sims. You do Sims shit and miscellaneous activities from the Persona games, you know living out your life with your cat in first person. Anyway, the whole point of the game ultimately is to find your "soul mate" and then develop a relationship with him. You could find him on the bus or working at the fast food joint, totally random. He might not like you initially, so you have to work on gaining his trust. Typical anime love story dialogue and acting. It would be like the Crusader kings games with lots of random events, so he could basically die at anytime and you would have to investigate why he won't pick up your calls. He can bring him back to life if you find his body, but it will cost you a monkey paw. You will get a lot of bad luck events for a while and he will forget his memory, so your soul mate could become slave potentially if you persuade him. VR compatible too for the lewd mods. "Soulmate" sounds like a great name for it.

This.
If you haven't bonded with your brothers over a few, or talked shit to a friend while playing a competitive vidya on the couch and bonded over it you're probably a massive faggot

I'll leave now, but then I make the question:

How would you design a hardcore game for women, that women would enjoy to play in a hardcore sense, that is also good.

Make something like Undertale, only less childish and shallow. Chicks will drop their panties over it.

Not only that, but your actions effect these hidden stats differently depending on the character

I would design it for gamers (who are more often than not men), give a few very small elements that can pander to the type of women I don't consider shit, like maybe a main character's design and personality that's manly as fuck or something like Hector from Fire Emblem (his popularity was incredibly high and the male:female ratio was 1:1 for him)
I would avoid making it hyper-violent too. That's a bit too much of an extreme for a lot of even the hardcore "female gamers".
Make it story-focused without making it into a non-game or a faggoty game. Basically be unapologetic and women will enjoy it. Only problem is that its literally demographics. 90% of gamers on shit like consoles (like the Switch) are men. I'm imagining you're thinking too much in terms of numbers and worrying about those.
I might make it less twitch-focused as well, possibly JRPG or SRPG combat or mechanics, unless the character designs are meant to pander to them very much, in which case I'd use whatever would be most appropriate for the character's theme and how I want the game to play.
Basically don't dumb shit down for them, give them a teensy bit of fanservice and make it less focused on areas where males have an oftentimes overwhelming advantage (such as twitch-based games) and have a lot of story, preferably a good one

dearauthor.com/book-reviews/the-appeal-of-the-beta-male-by-elizabeth-vail/

I've found this while googling, it may be good for the discussion.

(male:female ratio of a popularity vote for him was 1:1 in japan, and it wasn't for that Heroes bullshit if that's what you're thinking)
nintendo.co.jp/n08/ae7j/k_tohyo/03hector.html
Oh, and strong female characters help too obviously, but don't fucking mary sue them and don't drop them everywhere. Give them vulnerabilities and glaring flaws and shit. These are basically just tenets of a "good game" at this point, but I think when it comes to simple demographics shit like this there really isn't much you can do differently that wouldn't compromise a game
Aside from making a good puzzle game that both would enjoy that isn't casual as shit but I usually don't like pure puzzle games

if you want to know what women would want to see in a game, start reading synopses of paperback romance novels and Korean television dramas

That would imply it'd have some sort of competition or skill merit involved, which, according to you, can't be used in designing a game towards women. And why do you care about having a "hardcore" game for women? Are you a woman? No? Then why do you want more women-focused games?
I swear, if you're one of those faggots who thinks it'll land him a girlfriend

Jokes aside, I'd make a collect-a-thon, but have some of items only be obtainable by becoming friends with people, doing tasks with them, or fixing problems, etc. More items would allow you access to more areas and more people to interact with. And maybe sprinkle it with a dozen or so mini-games or rhythm/puzzle sections. And if you really want girly shit, then add a romance mode where you can set people up on dates or with your character.
Just make Animal Crossing but with faster gameplay and more menial tasks that add up to a clear endgame you can speedrun

I'm more concerned about games being art, so I want to think about games without combat or for women.

Women look for several things in a potential mate. All of them revolve around the male's potential to provide comfort and security to the female and any potential offspring. Women respond very strongly to men who are wealthy and are higher up the social ladder. Physical traits like health and fitness are also important but somewhat secondary.
Soyboys meet none of these requirements. They are typically not as financially successful as other more aggressive males, who are more driven and competitive in the workplace. They are not socially competent, often have low self-esteem and are not respected by their peers. Despite what women say, traits like emotional availability or sensitivity are largely tertiary to their sexual considerations and are instead traits that they look for in friends or betaorbiters they have no intention of mating with.

came across something the other night, the implications seems interesting enough to share though only tangentially related and not asked by op

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_psychology
whereas women rate higher for 'openness to feelings'

which in music preference translates to
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_music_preference

then there's the autism/empathizing-systemizing theory

Make a game that's not very difficult to learn but appeals to chad normalfags. Women will flock to it to be around the chads. Bam, got it.

Women feel threatened by other females (particularly if they perceive the other female as having positive traits that they don't). Look at all "chick flicks" and you'll see that the girl is usually the only female character, outside of maybe a maternal figure like her mother or a mentor.
What you will also find is that almost every chick flick has some contrived plot that is essentially an excuse for her to have to choose between a variety of males you check off one or more of the boxes I described here .
A successful female-oriented VN would actually have the player character be the only girl in a school full of attractive rich men.

You don't understand that females are part of a hive mind, if you want to control what they think, create fake females that think a certain way and the real females will start thinking it as well, as if implanted thoughts through an empathy virus.

Pretty sure they like guys that treat women like objects and never do anything a women tells them to do. Not some kind of woman expert, but they always ask for the opposite of what they want, so just putting two and two together here.

Sad!

All normies are hive-minded. That's not unique to women.
We're talking about making a game that women would like. This means putting them in as the protagonist in a story, in much the same way that they would self-insert into a romance movie or novel. If you've seen any of these movies, you would know that the only other main female character in them is some sort of rival that unfairly conspires against the protagonist female.

watch this.

I'll think about it.

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Puzzle games and shit games with a banal story filled with drama and easy mode.

Man, I actually really want a game about conniving your way to the top of your circle of bitchy princess 'friends' and giving some twink prince some ara ara christmas cake lovin'.

A game like minecraft where you stay inside the house and prepare food while another male player goes out and plays the game

Just have a ton of archetypes, like in any harem media

heroinejourneys.com/heroines-journey/

This thread needs to burn.

Look at Devil May Cry games. They love Dante, Vergil and Nero and there's no shortage of women drawing fan art or complete smut of those characters. Apparently to the point they will look past characters like Trish/Gloria, Lady, Lucia, and Kyrie.

Generally you'd want a fit build, designer clothes, and well-groomed hair. The amount of muscle can vary.

When I played Don't Starve Together with my sister this is exactly what happened. She promptly assumed the role of base work, cooking, production etc. while I went off adventuring to collect shit and kill monsters. She describes herself as a feminist too though she tries to disassociate herself from sjws.

I have a feminist friend who has said at least three times now that she would prefer marrying a rich guy and being a stay-at-home mom (but totally a feminist stay-at-home mom).

Yeah, my sister is very "feminism means I have a choice, not that I have to be a strong independent lesbian" or whatever. Bants aside, I think it's a completely fair point that women and girls in general do not enjoy the aggressive action oriented gameplay that men typically do. They tend to like games we'd call "comfy" eg: Harvest Moon, The Sims, turn based JRPGs, etc. Obviously that's not a rule because they also like shit like Zelda and MMOs which are somewhere between comfy and action, but women truthfully tend to like more relaxed games. When my sis played oblivion she was more interested in brewing potions and collecting ingredients than killing shit, and she remarked to me "it's too bad this isn't multiplayer so you can't use all the stuff I'm making when you're off getting yourself killed".

I was planning to agdg a multiplayer ARPG with this particularly in mind, where one player could be perfectly capable of just doing stuff like brewing potions, cooking, forging, tending the injured etc. while another player went off to adventure and kill monsters. It's coming along real fucking slow though

Shark teeth and chad all the way my man

Make a game that's like the female version of bully but the main character can be more sadistic and spread lots of blackmail and rumors about other girls and so forth. This will not only be enjoyable, but get girls to take out their 3DPD urges within games more often than in real life, slightly reducing the amount of 3DPD in the world.

Women don't desire, because desire is a human emotion.
Women are satisfied with whatever they have until something superior and easily attainable appears in front of them, which isn't desire.

Why are you all wasting your time giving advice to this same BR who keeps making these ideafag threads?

Brunei?

You're forgetting nesting. There's a reason EA was able to nickle and dime Sims fans for so long.

No steep learning curves. I mean, really, who wants to spend a whole weekend of their precious time to learn just ONE game mechanic?

So, what game?

Neither. In terms of looks the first type is more popular, but you want to make him dominant and borderline abusive rather than a beta like the typical JRPG/anime MC. You don't necessarily have to make them actually beat the woman but they should be violent people and appear willing to beat the shit of her under the right circumstances. If you're a man it's almost impossible for you to overdo this, women's sexual desires are horrifying and our ancestors were right about the importance of keeping them under control.

Just put a lot of shirtless buff men who all lust over the plain uninteresting main character.

I know you're trying to be edgy, but women are human you sperg. I know it hurts your feelings to realize women are the same species as you, but don't deny reality.

Women are not difficult to understand.

They generally just want a guy who
1) is fit and handsome [not skinny, fat, wrinkly, or ugly],
2) is capable of providing for 3 or 4 people [they want don't want their possible children living in poverty and subpar conditions], &
3) can make them happier than any other guy out there. [Love and happiness are two separate concepts. You can love a girl with all your heart, more than any other guy in the world. But if you can't make her happier than her other available choices can, your love for her will likely be one-sided and unrequited.]

I think they'd like the type of guy that's moe. Think like Mark but skinny.

that's bullshit and you know it.

That's true, I don't think females care about character design like males do. The first and foremost is making a game they'd enjoy.

To be fair the last point on his post is a pretty accurate description regarding females.

If you are appealing to fujoshits here.
t. fujoshit

We really aren't. We get emotional over nothing, sure, but you gonna tell me you don't get emotional over fucking nothing occasionally? If you want a girl, seriously stop pretending to be someone you're not and FUCKING COMMUNICATE YOUR FEELINGS. that is one thing that most betaboys don't do. They just drop subtle hints. Do you guys like it when a girl drops a subtle hint and then expects you to understand what we are saying? No? Then why would we feel any different??

put in something to appease their rape fantasies

clits or gtfo

When you have communists muddying the waters so they can ruin trust in society and sex it doesn't exactly help people to open up to each other.

Tits or gtfo.
Also never listen a woman's advice if you want to date one.

Girls love sandboxes, and mildly like mindless grind when fun.
Source: gf

Listen to the THOT, they are not hard to understand.
They think differently, but after your first girlfriend you will understand them all.

Women are difficult to understand because of radical hormonal shifts every few weeks, which is why no one really blames them for their indecisiveness. To make a game designed for women is to make a game that is as bipolar and eccentric as their behavior.

What the fuck are you talking about?
Are you implying you would need a game that syncs up with a woman's menstruation cycle?
That would sure make the headlines on many feminist websites, sure…
Actually that's free advertising, ship it.

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It doesn't apply, moron.
The thread is about females and she isn't doing it for attentions.
Ban this newfag mark.

well you know the drill

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But that's wrong and she didn't even need to name her sex to give that advice.

You're trying way too hard to fit in.

this pretty much
never listen to a womans relationship advice

I was thinking more like a game that provides an exhaustive variety of gameplay options so women could decide how to play, but a menstruation clock would be fucking hilarious. You could have a cute game, but one week every month you play in Berserk mode where you steamroll through everything.

What if all the female characters' periods are synced with her own so that she never feels left out?

Why the everloving FUCK would you want more girls in this hobby? To make it even more shit?

What an absolute faggot.

What would the purpose of that be? So they could go to the restroom together?

Shit I kind of want to play this now.

Doesn't that already happen regardless or not of whether it's their time of the month? But anyway, the point of it would be to have the other girls be as angry as her during that time. Or, angrier.

Also, there's no point in making a game with cute boys in it to attract female audience unless you're a faggot. More than half of the yuri community is female. By making a majority female cast game with lesbian stuff in the main story, you're already guaranteed to get a handful of female players.

Reference:
floatingintobliss.wordpress.com/2017/11/27/yuri-isnt-made-for-men-an-analysis-of-the-demographics-of-yuri-mangaka-and-fans/

So yeah OP. Basically, you can get chicks by making a game about chicks getting it on with chicks. That's like the coolest thing ever.

Do you make games for dogs or cats to play?
Why would you make games for other animals such as women?

Every girl I try to hook up with always has a boyfriend

I'm not sure this is because I'm fat and ugly or because I'm actually being myself

This man is your friend.

That face. They ALL make that same fucking face.

Biggest mistake Rune Factory 4 ever made. It's the one reason that makes it ultimately not as good as Rune Factory 3. That and having 4 tile plots instead of 9 tile plots. They cut their waifu cast in half and rule 63'd them, it was awful.

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They don't :^)

SHIP IT I SAID SHIP IT

I believe it was also ultimately the downfall of the harvest moon / sos series. If your main audience or at least a good percentage is women, then you're ultimately going to casualize it to the degree that anybody can progress as long as they keep smashing their head against it.

The Blood Moon is rising…

WHAT A TERRIBLE NIGHT TO HAVE A CURSE.

But isn't showing teeth a sign of anger or violence for most species?

That's with your mouth closed.
If you ever sawa dog submit another one, the one on the ground opens his mouth and exposes his belly as a sign of surrender

No, but that's what all women do, and if the men don't make the first move, the men are considered losers or 'betaboys'. Basically you're saying that if men act like they want women to make the first move in a relationship, they're losers. Yet you have a society where men have more to lose from a relationship than women, where women are protected, where women can socially ruin a man with relative ease. Let's say he does "communicate his feelings" and she doesn't feel the same. Chances are he's considered a creep, or at least a loser for not getting a good response. Meanwhile if a woman makes the first move and he isn't interested, it might hurt her, but that's it. No consequences. In fact, he might be considered a jerk for not 'seeing how great she is." Men who 'drop hints' are just men who understand that they're in the vulnerable position in relationships these days and actually expect women to act appropriately. They don't. Maybe women don't want to act like equals. But it's not really their fault for going along with what women claim to want.

It's complicated and that's why you have to be very careful when you make faces to wild animals least you communicate the wrong message.

You mean mouth slightly open

Shiggydiggy

Women like confidence in men. Confidence is a pretty masculine trait and even applies to twink-looking characters, like Link. He's a pretty boy but has a masculine personality which is why both genders find him to be a sympathetic character in at least one way.
Also, assholes are often mistaken as confident, which is why the old stereotype of women dating assholes is quite real. You could do something with that as well.
Maybe a beta who works to or gets groomed to improve himself, too. It's really just flavors of confidence in the end, everything else is secondary.

But assholes are generally confident, hence: assholes. t.asshole

For OP's purposes, I'd say this is more succinct and more directly applicable. You can easily extrapolate the five types of men he mentions into varied and interesting characters while still maintaining the basic archetypal appeal of them.

Where are the other 289481 6217911?

Women prioritize fee-fees over literally everything else. Their brains are wired for emotion, not logic. So the best way to get their attention is a story that's supermarket love novel trash, and gameplay that has absolutely no challenge, to the point of handholding so hard that a literal toddler could complete the game. But don't forget to tell them what a good job they're doing and how much skill this takes and how they're a stronk womyn who don't need no man at every step. You can't create gameplay that works on emotion rather than logic either, because each individual woman's emotional priorities are hugely different so what works for one would fail for millions.

Women want sappy movies and books with simple words, not games. Gone Home is an example of a game engineered for women.

Assholes typically are assholes because they're trying to compensate for underlying insecurity, and lash out at people angrily when challenged, or avoid confrontation and become more bothered when it happens since they were putting in extra effort to avoid it. Truly confident men just do what they want and disregard others' opinions about it. They openly talk about things they like and dislike, and are aware that confrontation is a possibility, but also feel confident they could win a fight if one broke out, so they don't care.

So, you're saying there are assholes and based assholes? I can relate to that.

Im not going to subscribe to your channel either Jim

The difference is the confident guy isn't a dick about it.
Scenario: revealing your powerlevel
Asshole: carefully hides it, will defend his tastes to the death when challenged by another person with a powerlevel to hide, either shrinks back or goes into attack mode when some normalfag makes fun of him for liking that genre of thing.
Confident: probably started the conversation instead of hiding it in the first place, doesn't attack other people for liking something different, but will provide reasons why he likes his thing to help them understand why he does. Everyone leaves the encounter happy. If someone on the other side of the conversation REALLY wanted to start shit and bully him anyway, that person is the asshole and at this point everyone can see it.

That sounds like something from a fairytale to be honest. Everyone leaves the encounter happy, really?

Now this is just a thread ive been waiting for. Im so glad you made it! Okay, Im gonna try and answer seriously without reading the rest because I can kinda guess what shit youre all saying.

I think first of all you need SEVERAL men. This is really important, why? Because they decide the hierarchy even if they dont know theyre doing it, they really do. I once read about an article and it explained that most women dont put that much value in what a guy archieves but they put a lot more value in it if OTHER GUYS praise him, and that me understand a LOT more about how we work as humans. So you need a hierarchy of men first of all. Then when it comes to looks, honestly its completely personal. First impressions are really important, guess where a girl instinctively looks on first impression? Tummy area. Fit is always good (to a degree ofc), same as what most guys would look at in a girl: is she fit, does she take care of herself (right?). He has to show or maybe even stand out in taking good care of himself. Not in a self-indulging way, in a sort of high standard to himself.
Why high standard? Because hes looking for a high standard woman himself. He wants the best and youve got to convince him youre it: its faith, we have x in common, etc
Think of the best person you can be and you already have the personality a woman likes. Let me explain: sometimes you hear "be yourself" as the most common advice from women to guys right? And maybe you think "well, ive tried that". Well, it's still great advice. You have to just be very confident of who you are, what your role in the world is no matter how big or small, no shame for your quirks and no one will laugh at them. Obviously you cannot be overconfident of your abilities, this is immediatly seen through, you just have to be confident in your own opinions your own job, your hobbies, yourself, you should know what you can and cant do. You set a high standard to yourself in terms of morals.

Well thats what I could think of right now anyway. Im gonna go back to lurking, maybe soneone in this thread knows wth hes talking about.

I have been in exactly one relationship. I got there by making a conscious decision to make fun of/taunt her at every opportunity. Really, I faked it. I acted like I was completely disinterested in her well being and she couldn't get enough of it.

Years later she broke up with me "for my own good" and because she thought our relationship was all about sex. Nevermind the fact that she went out of her way to tell fucking everyone she knew how high her sex drive was.

So nah. Women are pretty much bullshit. I was a halfway decent trap and I wasted my time on this.

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Girls like Tetris, Candy Crush and dress up dollies.

You forgot /cuteboys/

Serves you right. Like everything else if the bants is fake and subpar you're better off cutting ties and finding greener pastures.

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if it helps, my mom's always played shit like Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy

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Yeah no, don't give women so much credit.

another interesting one.webm

tfw no meowth bf

if only other women could understand without having to take testosterone and become man-dykes. They will never know.

Here's a video of what would be the female equivalent of the hero archetipe.
In short, think Beauty and the Beast, female undergoes a change into maturity along "taming" teh savage but full of potential man.
Of course you can switch "man" with something else just to try and avoid from the usual tropes. That's why women go for "horse rasing" games instead of "horse racing". Same for social games, in which your character alter's her environment by socializing with it.
Now think back to every time a female complained about violence in action games (or any other game archetipe that you like), and also remember every game that the usual SJW clickes like to prompt up. Are things starting to make sense now?

Welp just now noticed that other people posted symilar videos.
Welp, there you have it, OP.

Interesting idea user. If it's co-op in the same area, you could have "adventurer" type characters fighting monsters and trying to protect said "potion brewing/ingredient gathering alchemist" type character on the same battlefield.
The "adventurer" character gameplay is your standard ARPG combat while the potion maker as mentioned by could have a match 3 puzzle interface like when trying to make a potion. Then when brewed they throw it at the "adventurer" and hope they don't hit a monster instead. Cue screaming and laughter as your female player time spent finding rare and powerful herbs to brew a strong potion for your party has just accidentally recovered the monsters full HP and increased it attack strength.

Another ARPG game you might want to look into is Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles (original GCN version). In multiplayer one player basically had to volunteer to hold onto a chalice that would protect the party from the deadly misama gas surrounding them that would also keep the entire party together on screen instead of them wandering off alone, some people refer to that role as "bucket bitch". There also the cool idea of different players had access to certain info (on their connected GBA's) that they would have to communicate to other players (one has a full map of dungeon, one has locations of treasure chest in dungeon). Something like this could help a woman played work together with you (with the distribution of information to you) but not in a role that means she has to fight.

you don't say…how do you know this? I'm asking because I'm very intrigued by that notion.

Uh, you'd know if you had a girlfriend and maybe if you weren't a virgin, women aren't innocent Disney princesses, they're into the same disgusting shit that men are, sometimes even worse.

All I like is ss and big asses, but reading about the fetishes that women have on their female-only chans is enough to make me feel like an innocent church-going choir shota.

sounds like you know a lot about women, chad. wish i could be like you.

the way i see it fetishes are an outlet for sexual frustration, and many women can't masturbate as easily as men can, thus the amount of fetishes
Seriously, some of the most perverted girls happen to be virgins too, they are so entranced with sex and into a hormonal storm they can't help but to taint their minds with it and have those fetishes soon be erased and overwritten by the first dude they allow to enter their legs

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Can I play Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy with your mom user?

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Can confirm. 3DPD's hold no punches when talking about lewd things if they trust you. It's quite flustering.

If it's an adult male character, just give him a fit body type [could be slim fit like FF15's Noctis, or swole fit like Gladiolus] and start from there, OP. If you ever seen a women's magazine, the muscled male models should make it pretty obvious that fit guys are the preferred body type over fat/skinny guys. Even in shows for little girls, they're taught early on that the "hot" guys should be rocking a six pack.
Just remember to give them handsome faces while you're at it. I've seen a lot of fangirls for prettyboys like Cloud Strife or Dante, but hardly any for the bald angry Kratos. The number of girls who like rugged faces like Red Dead's John Marston fall somewhere in between, I guess.
Basically, a "muscular bod" may be decent, but a "muscular bod + handsome face" is the killer combo most women want, apparently.

Their personalities can be whatever though. They could be a calm and collected introvert, or an overly confident extrovert. It doesn't really matter. Think of it like this: Guys are attracted to different personality types [some guys prefer Asuka and others prefer Rei, even though their personalities are polar opposites in Neon Genesis Evangelion], and girls are no different in this regard. There's no "one size fits all", and whatever floats their boat simply depends on the individual in question. Therefore, I think that if a game offers a variety of personality types to choose from [like how FF15 or Dream Daddy did, I guess], the game would satisfy many more women because then they would simply gravitate the personality type they like the most.

You're replying to the wrong user, dude. I've said nothing about communicating feelings. It was that another user who wrote that.

From my experience, Women tend to either play games like the sims, or play some iteration of a COD-esque game. There's no real rule of thumb, but from my experience if a woman says she's played a game before, most of the time it will be the sims.

That's not a meowth, you mongoloid.

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Women are easier to psychologically manipulate, so they're a more profitable demographic.

Just a minor adjustment to your statement. It's still true btw

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Says the idiot that thinks that they won't be as easily manipulated by the competition. You talk like a retarded marketeer that only parrots what he read in the "manual". A volatile and easily manipulated audience is the number one factor responsible for a fast downfall of any company whenever a single mistake (in the eyes of said audience) is made.

Women are animals. For Men, objects of temporary pleasures, to be used when young and discarded when they age.
Fixed.

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Find a way to combine Animal Crossing, Stardew Valley and Fallout. You'll have a gold mine.

But they can play pecking order all they want, the king wants the hottest youngest girl, not the most conniving bitch of them all.

This honestly cracked me up for some reason.

Cames with lots of clothes to choose from.
They are always for grills.

The exception to this rule is if you're going to make them gay, or appeal to a specific niche of stout but obviously hard working men.

It's far more simple then you think OP.
Sex appeal is equally effective on both genders. Allot of girls Love Devil May Cry and it's not hard to find out why. The amount of Dante Porn vastly out ways all of the females combined.

The Sims already exists, user.

I need to shill Hjernevask (norwegian for brainwash) again. It's a short documentary series that covers a number of politically incorrect topics on race, gender, and sexuality. One of the studies they mention showed that tomboys, girls with stereotypically masculine interests, have brains that resemble those of males in certain areas. With that comes an increased sex drive and rates of promiscuity, but that's not the point I'm trying to make. The opposite is also true for effeminate men.

If you take that literally, it means that you should disregard the small "girl gamer" audience completely when trying to design a game for girls. Any girl that is, for example, remotely serious about manly FPS and not just using it as an excuse to get attention or bond with her man, basically has a male brain for our purposes. The girl who plays by herself vs. the girl that plays on stream with her tits hanging out. The girl who pretends she has no mic vs. the one trying to chat everyone up. The girl that pretends to be a guy so she can focus on the game vs. the girl that is hitting all the betas up for favors. Any attempt to turn regular girls into the former kind of girl will have about as much success as attempts to increase diversity in tech.

I would rather design a game that I enjoy than a game for girls to enjoy, but if I had to, I would do so around some of these elements:
Basically, Animal Crossing, MMOs, and puzzle games. The genres we already know that girls like.

Where do you leave the one-man army or angry barbarian tropes at?
Theres a reason everybody likes the doomguy so much.

Women don't know what the fuck they want, faggot. Here's your (You).

Those both fall under

Just fucking try everything and see what works, after that well its up to you
Boi i sure do hope its not another fucking VN or you know, another bob's game

Honestly i think it'll make for a good 'combat' system if you can pull off the mechanics well. I mean you'll have various means at your disposal to 'assassinate' the character's image. Think of it as a hitman but with social / political conflict instead of killing people.

Nigga, alot of fucking Guro doujin authors are female, that should give you a heads-up on their psyche honestly, it more has to do with Japan being the land of equality through 2D pron*
Then again, i've met one in my con-adventures and she's a qt. She has nice skill at color composition but too bad most of it is guro-shit

That's a nice observation there user, the only other thing i can compare with is _DIO

Uhh, no?

From my experience, most of the girls prefer games with good characters and easy gameplay. Take Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood questline, for example.

user you're being too literal with this. "Going to war" encompass all things rooty tooty shooty. Just because it's not literally some historical war doesn't mean it's not still a guy running around with a gun shooting enemies. We call it going to war because that's what young men used to actually do to sate their primal manly urges.

Not at all, for that you would have something more humbling.
Its like comparing an imperial guardsman to a space marine, doomguy is a killing machine that destroys legions of demons to metal music, thats not going to war and surviving.

Any more pictures of female mangaka?

Women truly do ruin everything

How would one go about finding their work?

I wonder how would they react at being raped, do you think they would enjoy it?

Is this a template thread?

TRAPS ARE GAY.

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This has already been said too many times but yet people still deny it

user, i think the word that is more suitable is 'adversity'. Is TES V super-popular with normalfags because you're going to a civil war? Of course not, people play the game because they can have an 'adventure' and by doing so they are facing against the opponent (Dragons, Giants, and what not) and coming out on top. Same with Doomguy, he's not there to fight a war, he's there to slaughter demons and kick the cyberdemon's ass.
WRONG
It's called sports or wait for it, games. Its not going to a fucking war, goddamnit. War is not a catch-all term for conflicts, please understand that word user.

i'm sorry user i'm afraid i'm abit short on female mangakas atm. On the topic of equality, it thinks its almost hysterical when you compare the Eastern comics industry compared to the Western ones. Its even funnier when you realize that some women even produce works that are meant to pander to men as well. Marxists, not even once.
While people might say that the manga industry is a fucking hellhole workshop that pushes the upper limits of men to their fullest, the forget that said conditions only applies to the top-dogs of the manga industry, the Shonens. Mainly because they release stories by the week. Making editors and authors work around the clock making new chapters and continuing their IP. Yet outsiders mostly forgo the other parts of the Manga scene. I mean shit, Araki prefers going to Seinen since it makes him do monthly releases compared to weekly ones.

weak willed faggot

Its 2D goddamn, they drew that shit because its a fucking drawing, not fucking reality of course they'll act like normal human beings they don't like it
Remember that shit user, it'll save your life someday

Just look up the stuff on the images? I mean, the names are right there.

That's a good idea, I'll give it a shot. Thanks, user.
I didn't consider that since I don't know how to type out Nip, my bad.

No but it's a common fantasy.

Getting the first reply in before Holla Forums spergs out

If you like that shit, you've straight up got the shittiest taste ever, dude. Women are for loving tenderly.

I know its a drawing but they still seem to enjoy it given the stories they make so i'm just wondering if they would be willing to follow through with their fantasies and have someone turn them into a reality.
come on dude i know you would rape them too if no consequences were given

Like, just act out the fantasy with your girlfriend.

This is true, but if some women would want some harsher methods of loving then i'll be open arms to do that shit

That's true user, but it'll be better if its with consent since i get my rocks off that way too

I always have the impression that the meme wasn't supposed to be funny in itself but rather to provoke burgers. And humorously enough, it works since they took the bait, hook, line and sinker

I diagnose you with a serious case of being a fucking faggot.

Gay.

"For women" isn't a clear demographic. What kind of woman?

Not even patio gorillas want to fuck their own males.

Sauce?

The artist or the manga it's fanart of?

If games were art they wouldn't be called "Games". Games can contain elements of art and those elements can be arranged in an aesthetic way, but rules and fail states, inherent to games, are not art.

Professor Layton has an equal playerbase of males and females. I'm pretty sure Layton (and Luke to a lesser extent) are examples of ideal husbandos.

I'm pretty sure the professor layton series became big because they focused in important things like gameplay and story instead of catering to specific sexes.

Women, like men, are individuals.

Some like twinks.

Some like baras.

Depends on which women you deal with. The most intelligent women know what they want and pursue it, but outside of academia/professional environments, this is often the case.

You don't need to cater to someone in order to make waifu bait. Technically, a well written character can be waifu, or in this case husbandobait for it's personality alone, which Layton pretty much fits in, and may be the reason why it is popular with females.

This is how stupid you actually are. Women are collectivist beings. They follow the crowd.

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Never, EVER, trust female mangakas. Those bitches are the ones who actually produce and like rape and NTR stuff, since they are the main consumers of such media. Women are truly shit creatures.

Kys.

Does jojos bizarre adventure appeal to women?

Not typically no.

Seinen also has the advantage of being targeted to an older audience, so you can get away with partial nudity and more blood and gore.

Yes, it does. I've met plenty of women who are obsessed with the manga/animes.

Kaoru Mori seems okay.

Global report.

t. Achmed

Neverland managed their books poorly, RF4 was the best selling game in the series but the company still had to shut down. I wait forever to get a goddamn FeMC with proper romanceables, but no user needs his one-note red text speaking waifu. Fuck you.

-t. robot who doesn't care about merit
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Wut? are you talking about the stuff they draw or the authors themselves?

Yes it does, i knew some chick that likes DIO abit too much it has more to do with his seiyuu to be honest I mean, c'mon he has a nice voice

Oh yeah, i forgot about that the partial nudity thing as well
Isn't that par of the course for shonen?

pretty sure Jump censors gore.

This is worse than being a fujoshi.

Probably gamer gurl tier women who only see the memes in social media.

It is never ok, faggot, the point is that women are the main consumers of that media, so it's obvious that women will make more of that media themselves. Like how Fujoshis tend to draw yaoi for other female fujoshis, or fucking 50 shades of grey.

Read above. Women can do good things, see Michiru Yamane, but you're comparing a composer to a comiket mangaka. Women who go to akihabara are usually beyond saving in the first place.
The stuff they draw, but giving that's done in the taste of the author, you can do your own guess.
I rest my case.

Gore, yes, blood, no. But there's the occasional gore, in glorious ways.

Fair enough observation user however i must interject and say that women aren't the main consumers of that media, the men still are. You could say that the consumer of stuff like rape, guro, NTR might have a higher percentage of demographic consisting of women, comparing to say, femdom. However, all of it are still primarily marketed to men since the males are still the ones with the bigger purchasing power in said genre.
While on the yaoi side, its safe to say that its the women who made up the majority of said demographic.

Fujoshits are cancer, and same goes with NTR but i guess i can say that atleast i could fap to normal sex compared to gay sex? eh?
Oh, who am i kidding, they're both shit-taste By the way, reminder that NTR and Rape are different things

A lot of the people talking about more comfy games have the right idea. A girl game should have lots of socializing and cooperation involved (even if it's singleplayer).

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Ok. I'm sensing the same vibe as feminists saying sexy video games for men is not ok.

No wonder you missed those trips