Why are STEMfags so fucking cancerous and reactionary?
Every time I encounter them they put science on a pedastal and insist that it should take precedence over people's life experiences. They have no place in any communist movement and should take their fedora-tipping bullshit back into their parents basement.
It's mostly just engineers that are reactionary: life and physical sciences people tend to be either apolitical or liberal.
Chase Myers
Programmer here. Don't really talk politics much IRL, but I must say I've never encountered this.
Is Holla Forums trying to falseflag us again?
Jeremiah Gomez
You wonder why STEMfags don't like you?
Oh fuck off you 'programmer', your kind are the fucking vegans of STEM.
Oliver Murphy
I really don't know whether to be offended or flattered.
Kevin Morales
software dev here, the industry is classcucked to hell.
Michael Howard
Agreed, tbh.
Computing people need a union or somethin'.
Oliver Taylor
Would never work due to the sheer numbers of the stupid fucking SJW type fuckwits screeching about muh vagina and women in STEM.
Oliver Adams
t. neet who's never set foot in an office
Dominic Diaz
brainlet detected
Aiden Reyes
Oh wait, you anti-establishment antifa type receive state funding.
''The System is a term not so frequently used by the Left in the past because to glance at it too closely would reveal that the same ideals are postulated by BOTH except that the phony "revolutionists" are in a bigger hurry than are the Kennedy-type Establishmentarians. We use the term 'System' in place of the word 'government' because what controls America and the whole West today are not gov- ernments, they are faceless tyrannies, branch offices of a single monstrous SYSTEM. When we speak of the thou - sands of interchangeable, expendable parts of the alien, inhuman bureaucracy, we speak of the System. From po - lice to welfare bureaucrats, to city, local, state and na - tional appointees and so-called "elected officials"; from prison administration to the Armed Forces; those who ei - ther represent the System or who are in the employ of the System ARE in fact the System itself. High and low it is marked by the overweening drive to entrench itself ever deeper into the body of the nation - like the parasite that it is - to evade any and all real responsibility, and to regu - late the lives of everyone it can in as minute detail as the System "legislators" can clear a "legal" path for it to do so.''
Antifa are basically the militant arm of the government. They are used to disrupt meetings of nazis and such whilst still offering plausible deniability.
Julian Wright
good luck having a working society without doctors, engineers, programmers, chemists, etc
Juan Cooper
But dude, like dude, like come on man, like dude, like just kill them lol. Like, kill the man kill the problem dude, like come on lol. Like, ussr was like so much better under stalin than trotsky dude lol, like ice pick meme lol
Charles Green
There's been an incredibly massive push for people to go into STEM Jobs. This has actually been funded by companies and in some insane cases governments. The reason isn't due to a sincere belief that STEM is the future, nor is it due to a lack of applicants to fill jobs in the industry. Why are they doing this? I'll explain
Here's a protip: any time you hear "there's loads of jobs, but nobody is applying to them" it's a porky trick. In the capitalist economic system we're in, if there's too many applicants, the wages go down. If there's too few, the wages go up. In both cases, all jobs are taken.
Why then do they say "there's so many jobs but applicants aren't taking them"? Are they lying? No. Actually it's even more porky than that. They're not lying, there ARE a lot of jobs that people aren't taking, and this is the reason they want more people in STEM - the prices are fixed. The most famous is that Google, Adobe, Intel, and Apple, all competing companies conspired to do this. But this is one of the few that have been found out, you better believe this is only the tip of the iceberg
TLDR: the ones you encounter are bourgie because they willingly allowed themselves to be classcucked and accept a job for less than the market rate.
Oliver Ward
It's to make themselves feel better about their perceived harder work. Anyone who understands science knows that it inherently cannot solve every question.
also,
Joseph Wood
The extreme political and economic relevance of modern technology lets them live in their own little reality bubble, and libertarianism is the usual result of this
Jonathan Ward
Yeah, moving out of your parents means that you have to get out of your armchair and do something
Dominic Cox
So judging by this thread, I'm guessing there'd ideally be no science or engineering under communism?
Oliver Myers
Because they're too dumb for serious intellectuals like Lacan, D&G, Foucault, etc. and are insecure about it.
Austin Robinson
Fuck off, you don't know if it won't work if we don't try.
James Martinez
I'm a marxist-leninist scientist .
Tyler Barnes
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Joshua Fisher
this is the best b8 i've seen this month
have a (you)
Kayden Phillips
It should, and you're an idiot for thinking otherwise. Socialism is science.
Andrew Hernandez
dont think his liberal brain can process this
Eli Powell
INTPs ate actually the most independent group
Robert Gray
ITT:
Nathaniel Sullivan
"""Real, lived experience""" is not in any sense epistemically muh privileged. I could assert that my "real, lived experience" explicitly refutes your position on science, and unless you establish some analytic standard by which to judge one set of "experience" more valid than another, at which point you are ceasing to enthrone "experience" itself, your position refutes itself. Stop posting this thread. You throw it up every day, like clockwork. Have some respect for the board, man.
Which is ironic because STEMfags do drums better too.
Brayden Turner
Why is it scientists and science students are on the whole better at artistic and literary pursuits than "artistic" types are at analytical skills? Why is it so many scientists become Marxists and gain a strong command over theory, while so few liberal arts students can intelligently discuss the scientific literature?
Dylan Gray
Feynman actually has a section of that in his book. The fact is that some artistic types think of science like one would of magic.
Noah Flores
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Gabriel Mitchell
Are y'all muthafuckas really this dumb?
Blake Sanders
wasn't STEM stuff favoured over humanities under Stalin?
Elijah Taylor
I hate this nonsense. Comprehending something more fully in its real nature does not make it "dull" unless your aesthetic sense is built on ignorance and mystification in the first place, in which case it's no "aesthetic sense" truly worthy to identify as such. Incidentally, pseuds fucking love ignorance and mysticism. But you don't need me to tell you that.
Henry Sullivan
you are now aware that STEM vs. humanities is idpol
Joseph Gray
Yes, which is why they ended up with a space program instead of a hippie commune.
Jacob Baker
WEW LAD
Hunter Morales
It is because they can both be useful. Another quote by Feynman on art and a few things we can learn from it:
Alexander Sanders
You've never encountered shitty people in programming? My CS classes were practically filled with right libertarians.
Dylan Green
Actually the STEMfags I've met irl are quite contradictory, in one hand they're muh science sure, but only when it comes to the specific area of knowledge they specialize in, they also tend to be very spooked individuals who believe all sort of nonsense: from normie tier shit like horoscopes and Feng-Shui to the more esoteric types who believe in the sunken continent of Atlantis or whatever, and of course, somehow all of them are also, at least nominally, christfags.
I think it boils down to how the ideology of the Christian reformation managed to make a segmentation between whatever your personal beliefs might be, which are separated from the concrete scientific practices you're taught. Normies don't see any contradiction between believing obscurantist mystical bullcrap and the positivism prevalent in bourgeois science. I know many here hate 1984 (and you should), but its totally a form of doublethink, and one that is I suspect, encouraged in bourgeois education.
Benjamin Sanchez
College, especially residential college, is miserable for 80% of people.
If the college as a whole is "liberal" (in the American cable news parlance) then yeah you are probably going to encounter a considerable amount of literal reactionary opinions from students in engineering and computer science etc, whose hectic lives are centered around abstract algorithms for the time being and don't understand why they should be bombarded with politics when they're already under a lot of pressure and paying out their asses for a "product" whose worth declines year by year.
It's mostly a combination of stress and immaturity. You can't judge a person's politics definitively until they're a full-on working adult.
Angel Brown
Just browse /g/ for like 5 minutes.
Nicholas James
Since when?
Brayden Morales
Well huh… the tankies hate it I think?
Oliver Scott
Nah True of the general population. Science has more atheists per capita.
Ethan Davis
I'm a STEMfag and a leftist.
Ryder Carter
tell me how pinkos aren't theocentric moralfags again :^)
Charles Gray
Libertarians aren't that difficult to subvert. They at least value rationality. If you work to first gain mutual respect and then refute the propaganda about socialism they have learned they can quite easily become more accepting of socialist ideas.
Conservatives, fascists and nazis are much more difficult to deal with, as their worldview is based on emotion, reaction and personal experience. Nazis and fascists are explicitly irrationalist so images and expressions are their main motivators.
Hunter Scott
nah. It's good to have a couple STEMfags with us. I get your point tho. I'm not sure I'm willing to say STEMfags are reactionaries, but obviously these new reactionaries are often STEMfags or at least self-educated wannabe STEMfags. Generally I think it's because they think they can justify the current state of things by proving that it's "natural." They're afraid of taking credit for their shitty politics so they hide behind shit like "the facts speak for themselves" (aka ideology). Must be sad to hate what you believe that much honestly. To on the one hand be in favor of genocide and on the other be too spineless to just own up to it.
Michael Ortiz
I loved Feynman, the guy was a great laymen instructor for physics.
Asher Morgan
actually, art and science both got a lot of money.
Owen Bennett
I don't know, I see mostly apolitical minorities in stem classes. They just realize it is a good way to get good paying jobs and their parents push them into it. I am going to school on an academic scholarship that covers tuition and then some for computer engineering, and I look forward to helping the revolution technologically in the future.
Ian Clark
Mathematics major here, by and large, we literally give no fucks about politics.
Joshua Baker
My CS classes were filled with apolitical people and Bernie supporters and I live in the south. I don't know where this meme comes from.
Parker Hernandez
/g/ and 4chan in general is not a good sample of the general populace.
Jacob Price
they're not? ive only met libertarians and leftists. analytical people are less likely to be tribalistic. some study found that libertarians actually have autistic tendencies.
Noah Jenkins
Also /g/ doesn't know shit about computers. Would have better luck on lainchan, but even a lot of people there are clueless.
Bentley Murphy
Only through the accumulation of the non-material elements of the means of production will mankind be able to cast off the chains of scarcity.
Jose Miller
because science turns you retarded
John Jackson
Nah imageboard and technical discussion doesn't mix.
I had lots of lulz writing shitty demo codes for TempleOS written by libertarians (who also happens to be literal schizophreniac christian fag turned into polack after running over two pedestrian with his car) but most cs subjects that actually matters are nonmemeable.
And yet when I met some openbsd developers and FreeBSD developers irl they were all right wing libertarians who openly mock RMS and general linux developers not just for quality but for their 'communist' license.
They didn't took me seriously when I said I consider myself communist.
Like, ofc I prefer LLVM/Clang when I'm writing C++ codes but it's pretty assholic to laugh at someone who wrote compiler that they based their entire works on.
Isaiah Russell
All other things equal, the libertarian is bound to build the stronger, stouter lock than the authoritarian, unless the authoritarian's building that lock for their own use.
Aiden Butler
Yeah but it's not like Linux developers are hypocrites who don't use their own product. Some of them actually believe desktop linux (or anyother UNIX variant as desktop os) is possible and use it right?
Mason Long
True! See the handy debugging aid at Pic related The libertarian will build the tougher lock because losing access is better by their lights than someone else getting in. The authoritarian prefers to retain some means of access without keys and designs accordingly. It's just a variation in values that expresses itself in the design, construction, and use value of the finished product.
Logan Sullivan
Hey Lobotomites,
My name is STEMfag, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are lazy, retarded, no-jobbers who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass “culture pieces.” You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any patents? I mean, I guess it’s fun considering existential nothings because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than illiterate welfare leeches; at least they know their place as scum. Don’t be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I’m pretty much perfect. I was valedictorian, and got all the grants for research as a grad student. What awards did you achieve, other than the “Overpriced Burgerflipper to Be” award? I got straight A’s, and have a high-paying job (I just got a raise; Shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.
Pic Related: It’s me and my sense of self-dignity"
Carson Watson
My guess is that STEMfags get into it because they want a guaranteed "top" position and job security. They either end up petitbourgeoisie that thinks they bourgoisie or out of a job because STEM in certain fields is saturated. They're never bourgoisie because the people who are, end up going for English lit and inheriting the business from their parents.
Joseph Cruz
Clang has literally no advantage over gcc unless you want to write stuff for the bourgeois and hope that Apple won't just drop the support one day
Grayson Miller
what is OP baiting about?
Owen Taylor
I don't care if porkies fund GPL licensed project or BSD licensed project. I get to solve whatever problem I want to solve in a way I see fit and license means nothing to NEET like me. Unlike butthurt linux fanboys who think they own entire imageboard culture.
Jose Phillips
Artists think they have this magic pixie special worldview because reasons. They believe they can appreciate things better aesthetically by virtue of being an artist
James Turner
Because STEM has been glorified to all fuck by a society that has barely the slightest concept of what it is, and so half of the faggots in STEM only do it because they were told it was some amazing pursuit of absolute truth which only they can do. Then they get over-inflated egos, and get convinced they are always right
t. math major
Chase Perez
Porky's project to push down wages in the industry as technological advance structurally changes the economy It is. Physical science can be done much more rigorously than other areas of knowledge. The task of approximating the behavior and structure of an objective material world through predictive models is just fundamentally different in terms of foundations Literally nobody believes this This is silly. Pursuit of the truth means being open to the possibility you're wrong and cultivating an objective mindset
So are you talking about the "real" STEM people, or the ones who are "only doing it for a job"? Because these are totally disjoint demographics and you seem to be lumping them together to criticize both.
Joshua Campbell
can confirm, just got my soros paycheck
Hudson Perry
STEM sperglords are mostly centre left/right and usually don't know a thing about politics. They will however probably try to talk you down, when you try to explain something to them because of they are mostly fedora lords that beleive "in their enlightened state of rationality".
Isaac Ramirez
Why are humanitiesfags so fucking assmad all the time. This thread litterally, litterally gets posted every other day.
Fuck off already, half of us study STEM, go go your ego masturbation club and whine about excellent language, if you want to do stereotypes and "hurrr no place in kommunizm".
Kill all the doctors and people who wear glasses amirite? Fucking hell.
Nicholas Roberts
??? What do you mean, mr nazi?
Gavin Ramirez
How fucked am I lads?
Aiden Powell
Thats not true. I'm apart of stem and I'm the exact opposite of being reactionary. Fuck off, Holla Forums
Owen Foster
Just because most engineering discipline values 'test of time' doesn't make subject reactionary. These liberal butthurts are just salty because they always fail mathematics and physics.
Don't fall to meme comrade.
Evan Powell
YOU'RE ALL FUCKING BABIES
WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT YOUR GAY ASS FEELINGS FAGGOT
Kevin Watson
But it should, subjective experiences are just that, they are worthless when contradicting materially observable reality.
Luis Gomez
only whining butthurts in this thread is liberal like you who never got better grades in 'real science' tho.
U mad bro? Go to university or enlist yourself in one of those free online lecture for college mathematics. It has more to do with 'philosophy' and their stories are more imaginative than most of shit tier philosophers.
Christopher Walker
It's bullshit, but you could also argue that artists are uniquely trained to understand the bullshit of other artists.
Then if you define aesthetic appreciation as the ability to appreciate the works of artists then sure artists may be uniquely suited to that.
Brayden Gomez
True of the general population Everybody believes their views are correct, otherwise they wouldn't have those views. People who don't have views are uniformly vapid and generally insufferable Try defending historical materialism to a "social justice" professor sometime and just see how knowledgeable and respectful they are. See if they can even define "bourgeoisie." You do realize systematizing abilities/tendencies are strictly preferable to empathizing ones in literally every intellectual pursuit, right? And that theory is driven by them? "Sperglords" literally wrote your theory.
Nobody's appealing to feelings here. You're just talking nonsense. No
Parker Jackson
No, I was strawmanning ;^)
Brody Baker
Fuck, man. I don't know. I'm more of the art type myself, more attuned to drawing and writing than analytical or logic based pursuits, but I fucking loath the art community.
Carson Russell
Because they confuse wit with intelligence, symbolic logic with intuitive reason, mathematical models with dynamic REAL, packaging with product. Also they have autism and tend to have no sense of self due to the extreme group think in Academia