Considering the failures of past attempts at, or at least towards, Communism, I propose an idea

Considering the failures of past attempts at, or at least towards, Communism, I propose an idea.

There will be no need to seize the means of production from the bourgeoisie in the future.
Three main points:

Now, this hypotheses rests on the idea that by the time labor jobs would be mostly inaccessible, micro-production technology will be readily available at least on a community level ( a person(s) or a group(s) in your street/neighborhood/district having them).

As wealth disparity will grow due to loss of jobs because of automation, and micro-production technology becomes more and more advanced and relatively cheaply available, people will begin to turn to one another for help. Basic house furniture, essential accessories (combs, utensils, etc) and luxury accessories (Nerf guns or whatever) will be produced through micro-production, which will be accessible on a community level. The cost of using these micro-production machines will depend on how widespread and costly they are and for what purpose; for furniture it could cost money and be a community based MoP; for accessories it would be an inexpensive, personal machine, or perhaps per building if not per family. This is when we, dare I say it, enter socialism. This communal production, I assume, will bring a more localized political life, beginning the slow process of withering the state away. This could also in turn pave way to a more localized food production.

Intuitively, I thought this could produce a new petite-bourgeoisie class - the ones who at first hold the micro-MoP and charge money (unless, at first, an increasing significant minority will give them in good will to the community's service - not giving away but simply not charging, or not charging too much) - but I believe it will be overcome through either the eventual acquisition of micro-MoP by the rest of the population (through 3D printing or whatnot) or either through violence by bashing their skulls in and turning it into a community service.

With the gradual spread of micro-production and the fulfillment of the basic needs of the population, corporations will begin to lose profit, with no one needing to buy their cheap products and no one with money to buy their expensive ones, they will begin to lay off more workers, thus accelerating the process further. With capitalism now clinging to its life, these corporations will throw it a rescue wheel; lowering the prices of their luxury products, thus giving access to more technology for the general public. We are still at socialism, but as more technologies become more readily available, and people are capable to further and further support themselves, the need for a monetary system will vanish. The localized organization, communal support and self-sustainability will render the government and its services obsolete.

Welcome to Communism

This is the general conception. In an alternative scenario I could see seizing the means of production, however, not by the proles. The bourgeoisie will attempt to seize or outlaw micro-production technology, compensating the working class with meager gibsmedats. Then, the class war begins.

After the shift begins towards socialism, I believe then, and only then, those theories (Bordiga, Pancake, Rosa, etc) could be employed (albeit not rigidly) on the local level.

by this I meant violently, like private army.

___self bump

I should probably add that I didn't consider the geopolitical movement of things. This was all from the top of my head, I can't fathom how it would be if you'd throw the 3rd world into the mix+the many governments around in the mix.

But what do you think of the general idea?

ah you know good old 3d printed food clean water and shelter

I dunno OP, I like communism but when I suggested mutualism as a transitory period to a stalinist he got triggered and called anarchism petit-bourgeois, I just don't see what's so bad about everyone having a miniature MoP in their home so they don't have to leave the house to go the the local co-op but apparently this triggers the fuck out of some people. I don't see the problem though. I'm all for 3D printers given to every prole.

3d printed medicine
3d printed movies
3d printed nano-technology
3d printed highways
3d printed music
3d printed people
3d printed class struggle

I did not imply this, however with more localized MoP people could turn to more localized food production (with gardens, or even public gardens or whatever). Also, lab grown meat is already a thing, by the time I'm speaking of it should also be available.

don't see the need to print bricks if the original are anyway better, but I guess it's a possibility

the 3D printing was just an example, technology could advance beyond that in ways I can't imagine and apparently neither could you

The problem I see with it is potential regulation. Having everybody be a producer will flood the market with goods crashing many profitable industries that exist now. So they'll say to get a good 3d printer you need a licence or some sort of other regulation. They don't want everybody to have access to MoP

I'm 99% sure you're using a truism laid out by the likes of Zizek in the past few years: that of new developments in ecological dilemmas, biogenetic revolutions, geopolitical struggles, but also new revolutions in technology that allow for the cheap distribution of domicile technology like 3D printing.

What you're doing here, and what Zizek also warns us about, is thinking that this is an immanent negative to capital yet completely ignore that everything in capital is a negative: an element of the greater contradictions that antagonize society. Consequently, you are ignoring just how easily capitalism recuperates supposed negatives and reifies them to completely gel with the productive forces. Recall (and Zizek mentions this too the absolute madman and genius) the amount of times hopeful Marxists were indeed among the few to see a crisis of capital arriving and thought that this was going to be it: the breaking point, where no way out is possible. But they were too optimistic and blind to the reality that capitalism is living dead: that it is not afraid to amputate anything from the commons to subjective relations in production in order to save itself.

3D printing will be accompanied by rentierism; the material necessary to 3D print (various plastics and ceramics) will issue new precarious conditions to be produced, et cetera. We can precipitate ourselves towards a point of revolution, but we will always need to if not seize the means, organize proper political movements and utilize the eternal revolutionary subject that is the proleteriat and its inherent maxim of a materially-desire to overthrow capitalism. Unless we do, and there is indeed a definite break, we will indeed get a form of communism, but it will be one bred by the working class itself being separated by a then-technocratic bourgeoisie entirely capable of coupola-separating itself from the rest of mankind, and then we do not guarantee communism because this will not constitute a revolution. It is much more likely to recreate the relation of capitalist dominance and servitude within this new microcosm of a society and not advance the historical struggle of classes to a new era at all without a proper revolution constituting not just the break away from the need to produce for market exchange, but to build a new communistic productive relationship.

I believe that sort of attempt will agitate the working class, with an ever growing wealth disparity and deprivation of personal MoP.

triggering doesn't describe people rolling their eyes at every stupid shit you pull out of your ass

triggering is the response you give when you're being dismissed for being such a dense faggot

wew, those armchair theory sessions are paying off

this was off the top of my head, just wanted to see what you guys think

I've thought about it but wasn't quite sure how to insert it. But I see, so corporate industry would move from producing products to providing the material needed.

I'm not sure what to say about it, except that it's a step in the right direction. At least one middleman is cut off.

One might have said the same about heavy regulations on guns. They'll have campaigns about how home produced goods aren't up to regulations and it's unsafe, how you should only buy from certified™ producers and the liberals will eat that shit up like they always do

say what you will about left coms but REAL left coms know their theory

But there is a difference, unlike guns home production would be essential for the proletarians, especially when they can barely afford products for a comfortable way of life.

it's essentially

We already live in a world where products which can be infinitely copied for free (software) are sold individually at high prices by arbitrarily restricting access to them. This will be no different.

Essential it might be, doesn't mean they'll just let us have all that freedom. There will be calls for regulation like "what if people use it to make guns" a thing which has already been made with our somewhat shit civilian level 3d printers. Porkie has nothing to gain and only looses by not opposing it, which is why they will not let us have autonomous mass production from tiny MoP across the country


Most anybody even slightly tech savy just pirates premium software

But who controls the 3D printer that prints the 3D printer?

Anyway, it will all be proprietary blueprints, printers (with plenty of tracking devices and locks), and feeders. And even if you can get shitty open source varieties, they will suffer from all the same problems open source OS and software suffers from.

Reproducing software has always been free and can be done from your own home, yet here all the world is still using proprietary products. If we couldn't even spontaneously socialize software, what chance do we have with material goods?

corporation sell to individuals, technology becomes cheaper, we reach a point it's relatively widespread and no need for corporations - if we ignore the probability of porky restricting access too early.

Necessity and the material conditions.

Thanks.

Honestly not bad. Fairly comprehensive idea in itself but inconsiderate of, as I said, the fact that capitalism can't just be gradually reformed out through its own technological developments or any activity that isn't either a suicidal (Posadist or self-administered by the bourgeoisie) nuclear holocaust or a proper working class movement.

Or rentierism and other market-compatible fiscal schemes birthed through liberal individualism like the so-called "sharing economy", where the opposite of rentierism occurs: you turn your personal property, e.g. your car, into private property for the time in which you produce value using this repurposed personal property with the technology, data and instructions the firm gives you on a schematic basis (UBER, Deliveroo, etc. style).

The problem with any development in the realm of technology or simple relational structures is that it obfuscates the ultimate need to actually alter productive modes to really change something. It's the same with cooperatives: of course they bolster a class-based solidarity within capitalism (when have Marxists ever opposed unions by principle alone?), et cetera, but they in and of themselves operate within the capitalist mode of production itself. Unless a real struggle against capitalism happens within this cooperative, or within this development of increased personal output of non-social products, we are just further into the historical epoch of capitalism. But here I also don't really oppose it because it's inherently non-revolutionary in organization: these developments themselves block yet another avenue for capitalism and give us new tools to, if we use them properly, actually engage in revolutionary activity.

I'm afraid that, in no sense, a "middleman" will here be cut out.

Sure buddy.

Many of them can print themselves.

OI
SAY THAT TO MY FACE NOT ONLINE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS

the "open sores is worse" meme was started by manchildren that only care about video games

This has been devated by some friends a couple of times, we could achieve this by creating value chains that can trade with eachother, for example, a coop produces food trqdes with one that produces clothes, qnd since they are fully automated in its production, we just need to worry about transportation

Yet again the stalinist bootlicker gets triggered lel

Can you link me to the whole comic?

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If it is better, why are apple and microsoft still in business? Maybe it is better. But that only reinforces the point; capitalism endures even while it sells us worse products! It'll survive 3meme printers as well.

Anyway, I don't get this 3D printer fixation. Home ovens and bread-makers didn't put (industrial) bakeries out of business. You can literately make an oven out of simple materials, download a blueprint if you really need to, yet most people will buy their bread in the supermarket anyway. It's easier, faster, cheaper, it has economies of scale, it is marketed unto people, etc. 3D printers don't remedy any of that; they do not abolish economies of scale, marketing, time-constraints (imposed by capitalism or otherwise), …

People will not print their own stuff because in their own community if they can get stuff quicker and cheaper from the capitalist factory.

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Bump 4 OP.

It's like pottery.

this is what I call a petit bourgeois peasant mentality
sentiments right form the dawn of industrial revolution when natural economy was in death throes

times when autonomous households produced all they need are long gone and will never come back

so get over it, you relic of the past

3D printing is the way of the future and advances in agriculture will hasten food production, its time to get ouver your collective MoP bullshit, automation and self-reliance is the future, so get with the times

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Nigger are you even trying?

How does it feel to be fucking autistic?

kek, so are you gonna buy one of those and install it in your basement?
also
guess someone also needs industrial powerlines connected to their autonomous™ basement

ask yourself

I used to like the idea of everyone owning mini MoPs but considering our population size and ecological problems it just doesn't work

economy of scale reduces ecological footprint per person, being against big farms and big factories is reactionary

read bookchin

Let me try


Wow feels pretty bad, you should seek help

kek, yes, you don't know shit about automation
for you it's just another convenient deus ex machina