Intel processors getting ~30% slower from security update

im just hecking you mang

To be fair, AMD would have it too if it was a backdoor.

lol

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Not my problem, fam.

nah, intel's got far more nefarious things going on.
please use archive.is.com (use archive.is)/2016/06/15/intel-x86-processors-ship-with.html

there really is no defending Intel, and doing so just makes you look like an agent of ZOG.

fuck off kikeBO
archive.is/EJ338

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GPUlet detected

AMD has their own version of that. Look up AMD PSP. That's why I say that AMD would have it too if it was an intentional backdoor.

Didn't they start up a petition for removing PSP and then pretended it never happened?

AMD and ARM CPUs also have an "hidden" CPU with higher privileges level than the main cores.

fair enough

they would be wise too. the whole thing reeks.

ARM cpus don't. They have TrustZone instead.

Wait, trustzone isn't an extra core that can disallow execution or force execution of certain things on the main cores?

TrustZone is a cryptography processing engine. It isn't like ME.

Defend this GPLfags.

Ready to join the FreeBSD master race?

So it's not a faulty NSA backdoor, just shit design on Intel part. Well I never doubted they've been using substandard pay undergrads to design their CPUs, there's no way actual professional engineers would've produced piece of shit so inefficient it casually runs 40 degrees hotter than the next AMD processor.

What do, Holla Forums? What should I do?

Program and play on Amiga/Acorn/early IBM PC compatables.

Pray for POWER9's price to come down.

Imagine telling someone in the 80s that IBM would one day be the least jewish of their contemporaries.

The Sega Dreamcast homebrew scene is still alive :^)

crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop
Or other selfmade solutions, maybe you could even find small time silicon producers that would be willing to jump on the market searching for security by freedom

Good thing I only use a computer to watch anime and play VNs.

FTFY

play Grimoire on Temple OS on a PC you've built from scratch in a faraday cage.

The worst part about losing control over my system would be if the guy deleted all of my porn and video games.

No script will keep me safe though, r-right guys?

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Just update man. You know it's bad when they work so shadily and hastily to patch it.

Grimoire isn't FLOSS you CIA nigger.

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As far as the security issue goes, does it require connecting to Notmalicious.network.biz or some shit?

So which Intel processors are affected?

All the relevant ones.

I'm already using a 2010 quad core, any more slowdowns and I won't be able to run Warcraft 3, which has, ironically, only gotten more bloated system requirements over the years.
Thanks Blizzard.

Is it better?
I'll check it out.

Then you shouldn't be using windows at all. Probably not even Linux to be honest.

I feel now is as good a time as any to remind everyone that, even in a best case scenerio (pre-PSP AMD), x86 is shady as fuck. See embed related if you have the time.

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I wish self driving car would just fucking kill me already.

I'm too tired to read thoughtfully so excuse me, but
If this forces a kernel redesign for operating systems, doesn't it affect all the processors the systems are going to run on?
The performance hit, if it comes from OS design, shouldn't it be the same for both intel and AMD silicon?

The kernel has a flag that checks if you're running Intel before activating the solution.
Since AMD is made by the less retarded variant of Pajeets, apparently.

Sorry user, if past Intel class actions lawsuits are anything to go by, the settlement will be for $20 a person and Intel will laugh all the way as they made more money by convincing you to buy an Intel that was 15% faster than an AMD.

Intel are evil kikes, they will find some way to blame this on someone else and fuck over consumers. When they got in trouble with cheating in SYSMARK and lost that class action lawsuit about that, they only paid out like $10 to people.

One of the biggest douchebag things Intel did, was when the courts ordered them to display text that Intel basically cheats in benchmarks, they released the text as an image so you can't find it easily via searching.

Intel is pure evil and when all of you Intel fanboys lose 30% of your CPU performance or give Pajeet Javascript access to kernel memory, maybe now you will see masturbating over +/- 5% in benchmarks is a waste of time.

That makes sense. Thanks.

Hello Faggots! I have an actual question

All corporations are evil, all are in on it. You might as well accept the fact that if the powers that be want to spy on you they will. The solution, naturally, involves a degree of violence the majority of the populace is not willing to accept, so here we are, stuck in this hell and waiting to see when it all comes crashing down.

This time it would have hurt pretty big companies so expect lawsuits for ridiculous compensations that they will not be willing to settle out of court.

Get out nigger.

Going red felt kinda risky at the time, but good god has it proven to be a real long-term investment.

Are we being trolled?

Abandon electronics

You do understand AMD processors have the same kind of built backdoor, right?

there is no escape from this hell.

If you want to call me an intel shill or whatever (Even though my two main work PC's are intel) there is literally no evidence your PC will be slowed down at all as normal programs never talk to the kernal anyways except if its to do something like open a device like a USB drive (You know this as the USB handshake request) or get access to read/write a file, opening a device driver file etc

99.99% of the shit you do daily is done in user space, not kernal space thus wouldn't be slowed down by these changes anyways, shit you do in userspace includes:

-Games
-Music
-Rendering software
-Web Browsing

etc etc etc

If anything the only place this could cause performance issues is massive read/write database files such as server farms etc, but even to you the home user nothing should get slowed down as no user runs their CPU at 100% load 24/7 and having a huge amount of read/write calls will only bump your CPU use up from .4% to .7%

English?

There is, on this very site!
>>>/suicide/

Literally any program running on your Intel CPU can do this. All it needs to do is to find the kernel and then access some of its memory. The kernel memory is normally protected. The CPU will preload the code to access this memory in advance but shit Intel chips will not check whether or not the program had privilege to access this memory until after it runs, and thus will happily run it.

Literally EVERYTHING you do on a computer uses read/write. Me typing and submitting this reply uses read/write.

Looks like giving that shit out for free wasn't enough, now they have to fuck anyone not running it.

So this doesn't really mean anything unless I run some "This is totally not a virus trust me.exe" or some shit. Right?

No, Linux devs legitimately think that letting any program run without checking its access level is pants on the head retarded.

Have to access graphics through the kernel.
Have to access stereo through the kernel.
Have to access graphics through the kernel.
Have to access LAN through the kernel.
This effects everything you do.

It's too bad TempleOS only works on x86_64. I guess God didn't account for (((them))) in his master plan.

Hardware interrupts are affected. I hope you like stuttering every time you press a key, intel shill faggot.

source?

Aren't they correct though?

The name is a giant middle finger to Intel for being retarded enough to make implementing FUCKWIT necessary.

Supposedly it's possible to trigger the bug through browser exploits or any networked program getting exploited, so unless you disconnect from the web or install a performance-degrading security update you're basically fucked.

No it doesn't, did you save the file?

Your web page cache requires kernal mode access in order to write temp files to your hard drive, but shit such as all the text on the screen/graphics are in userspace

GPU's do not constantly call the kernal, they only call the kernal once when you load a device driver

Keyboard hardware interrupts are part of the keyboards on board system, a hardware interrupt for it as a device which then sends out a signal to your PC that X key has been pushed, this is handled by your keyboard, not by your computer

Unless you're unplugging/replugging in your keyboard thousands of times a second nothing will change performance wise. Mouse movement is also 100% in user space

Do any of you know what the fuck you're talking about?

Someone should create a microkernel for POWER that acts as a backend for an x86_64 emulator that runs TempleOS.

Looks like someone in the AA got mad with someone with a computer.

I thought they would only use those things to cripple a nation, not as niggerish things to be done on a random day. First the backdoors and overclock lock, now this.

Except they do. Thousands of times per frame. In fact most games are bottlenecked by draw calls, not actual rendering payload.

Some BIOS now have an option to "disable" PSP, but it's not sure if it actually turns it off, or it just disables communication between PSP and other parts of the CPU and/or chipset.

Realistically couldn't that be just any security compromise in a browser or whatever?
I mean it sucks dick because it'd basically mean any of the most popular software is going to have aggressive attempts to take advantage of this, but still

he doesn't.

Unless you're running DX9 games under 100% CPU load you shouldn't be affected, and I can't think of a DX9 game made that would kill a modern processor as DX11-12 all were designed around improving API and Direct Draw calls by at times almost a thousand fold

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I know its the OS's that need to do the patching right now but post yfw processors in the future need firmware. Which will most likely lead to requiring they be (((always online))).

Newfag detected.

Processors already have updatable microcode, but this flaw is so deeply ingrained in the processor that no mere microcode tweak can fix it.

Worth it

And to think, Brian Krzanich (Intel CEO) sold most of his shares just over a month ago (keeping only the bare minimum he is required to hold). I somehow doubt he didn't know about this when he cashed out (Microsoft at least knew about it as far back as at least November, so Intel likely knew about it even earlier)

Dogshit API not relevant here, the relevant part is the context switch, which is expensive as fuck already and it's going to become WAY more expensive yet. With DX11 you're looking at 100 000 ish kernel calls per second, with DX12 that's 1 000 000 ish.

How much you pay?

Anyhow, 485b46 is retarded because many modern games rely heavily on texture and level streaming and many implementations of Denuvo are constantly doing fucky shit with the hard drive. Biggest vidya performance impact will probably be on open world games or Denuvoshit.

I bought it at release, so $320.

Looks like programmers will have to learn how to pack calls again instead of brute force executing code won't they?

That said DX11/DX12 most of those calls are handled by the GPU itself and very little is done by the CPU, which is why microsoft etc has been trying to get the industry to switch for almost a decade

Vulkan is an example of almost all draw calls being handled by the GPU

Unless this new code is being forced down my throat via some kind of telemetry, then I elect to refrain from accepting it. What's the worst that could happen?

Depends on which OS. You will be hit with severe performance drops.

Except Physics and DX11 Multithreadding (That thing that makes Nvidia own AMD in DX11)

He's asking about if he DOESN'T update.

This

What part of a "kernel call" do you not understand? Everything that's not resides entirely within your own program gonna involve calling a kernel. And unless your game carries its own GPU driver, it's gonna call kernel every single time it needs to contact the GPU, for any reason.

"Kernel Call" sounds like anything that would use winapi.

Someone pwns your bios and something along the lines of your cpu microcode's microcode. Which is to say spying and stealing of your information.

absolutely, what makes you think they aren't

You will be mining coins for someone else 24/7, the computer will be powering itself back on if you power it off, and wiping the hard drive won't and doing clean install won't solve the problem.

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Literally everything uses virtual memory you fucking dickweed.

I would like to hear more about this bug.

If it is something exclusive to VT-D then not "every" Intel processor is vulnerable.

If it is something specific to memory and using a certain series of assembly instructions causes escalated code execution then it affects everyone and would be very dangerous.

Good for me. I basically gave up on security, and I don't update shit. Still running Windows 7 with no updates. Because of this shit, at least they might give up on the old backdoors, and might therefore benefit me even if I don't update.

I honestly kinda regret spending this much money on my PC. Just get a used console for a good price when you can. And use older, cheaper computers for games that you can run pretty easily. Gaming on PCs is pretty annoying. A lot more issues than any console would ever have, and it forces me to use Windows, and Windows is fucking garbage. I don't play very many recent games, and they are all on PS3, and I own one anyway, for the exclusives. It would have been smarter to buy an old, durable machine, for lighter emulation and internet. Maybe a used PS4 when it's cheap enough.

Overall, fuck post-modern technology.

faggot

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WITH JEWS YOU LOSE

phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-415-x86pti

Doesn't look THAT bad unless you're in IO heavy workloads.

Holy shit, I just want to play videogames and shitpost, why can't they let me do that in peace? If this shit really does have a big performance impact then I ain't getting it, and if that permanently ruins my computer then I'll go find a new hobby, because this one isn't worth the trouble.

Like hosting an imageboard. I bet Jim feels real happy about his Intel servers now.

Wait, Jim Jim or different Jim?

So in other words I can expect to see little to no performance penalty

Thanks for letting me know fam

You're not wrong.

t. intelshill

Why wouldn’t he? His purpose is to destroy the site and its userbase. We’re already looking at a quarter of what we had before he took power. He’s probably ecstatic about it.

Who the fuck do you think.

Slim Jim?

Codemonkey has been keeping this site running a lot fucking better than fyretyres ever did

Endchan and Meguca exist, but I wouldn't be surprised if their servers use Intel CPUs too.

Still hasn't fixed the biggest bug the site has since 2014

Hey user, do me a favor and enlarge your reply box and try to make it smaller again.

Why does the performance impact for Skylake look so much more negligible compared to Coffee Lake? Not complaining since I use Skylake but does this bug simply not effect Skylake as badly?

I hope he does. This place is shit. So bad that this is actually the best board. Where's my 16chan?

Which one?

At least it runs decently fast and is relatively stable. But yeah I didn't even know the reply box was fucked up

Well we keep being okay with it because we constantly compare this site to how bad of a state cuckchan is in. Especially now since it's literal malware. But we should start looking up and not so far down since it's not that hard being better than a giant fucking turd.

I know Chodemonkey is doing a somewhat dandy job, but for some reason whenever he touches anything something else breaks.
Almost like a certain pig phobic who fucks shit up so he stays employed to "fix" it again.

The real question is if they will provide the update to windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8/.1 like they probably will or if they will actually make good on their claim of no longer providing support to old OS like they never have.

I was comparing it to how the site ran before and during the infinity next debacle. I haven't been back to halfchan since I left in 2013 so I don't have anything to compare this to other than that.
Ron is Jim's son, I think he would keep him employed either way. I'm more inclined to believe that he's more focused on Jim's other sites and Holla Forums is just a sideproject for them so he puts minimal effort into it. Yeah my standards are pretty low but I really like this place. I never understand when people complain about how shit it is, there's a few downsides but for the most part its good

No way in hell.
Likewise.
Probably not.
Maybe, since it still uses their awful appstore and such.

They already said no and IIRC they never even officially supported x86 in anything but 8 and 10

The first few benches are not CPU limited on the 6800k while they are on the 8700k from what I gather (file I/O bench, NVMe SSD on one side SATA 3 on the other)

The post inlining memory leak
Inline a post in the last post of a thread, when a post is made it won't display after the page autorefresh fetches it but it will still count as there being a new post, next refresh will recount that post (and if other post have been made they will be added to that counter as well) as a new post and since the auto refresh shortens on new post it will add those to the new post counter endlessly every 5 seconds, now that's the visible side of it I dunno what happens under the hood but in a couple hour you will crash pretty much any browser except FF quantum for some reason

I'd like to believe people because they care.
Because they know it could be a little better, but I'm not gonna pretend I'd know how to do a better job, I'm just kinda raising my concerns as user.

*like to believe people bitch because they care

oh shid

Why did Skylake see an improvement in h264 encoding fps? Also why didn't they bench Skylake with Nvme/PCI mode SSDs when Skylake supports it?

Oh the memory leak, has it really been in since 2014? I never noticed it until the last few months.

Yeah, being content with everything just leads to complacency that's true. I'm done with the metaposting though since it's shitting up this thread

Earlier this year (or rather last year) they backported a patch to fix an exploit in the Samba protocol (the thing that caused that huge ransomware debacle. It's worth noting that the tools to make use of this exploit were LITERALLY programmed by the CIA) all the way back to XP, even though XP is no longer officially supported.
So yes, probably at least 7 will get a patch depending on just how severe this bug is.

Probably just margin of error stuff, not very relevant.

Good question, dunno the answer.

Early on it just broke the last post and shoved every new post in that post while breaking the formatting in various ways, then that got fixed late 2014 but instead it caused a memory leak.

Microsoft has been saying they wont update XP since 2014 and yet they updated it just last year to patch a security hole as mentioned. Hell all the cash registers at my job run on XP my money says we are going to have a fun time with the update even though we probably don't even have effected processors

What's the point of a budget AMD CPU if you're going over 300 bucks? The goal is to try to save money. I bought an R5 1600X for 215 in November and from what I've seen the price went up a bit. I put it under water with a cheap Corsair H50 which was on sale and the Tdie gets pretty low with how cold it's been here.

I still can't seem to get a stable 4.0GHz on all cores, but maybe I just suck at overclocking or lost the silicon lottery. 3.9GHz stable at best on my R5 1600X. Meanwhile, my i7 5930K on a custom loop does a stable 4.7GHz from a base of 3.5GHz.

You’re mentally defective.

Higher MTP at release than the best regular i7 which was pricier than that,

Yeah that's about right for Ryzen, hopefully the next rev fixes that shit.

Nice one faggot, I'm right though. Hotwheels was cool but he was shit at programming

You’re. Mentally. Defective.

Good argument

Reported, then.

lol

Are Ryzen and Threadripper prices going to skyrocket now just like Vega GPUs?
Combined with the current skyhigh DDR4 prices, a new build will be too costly for the next year at least.
Very annoying.

They don't hire programmers anymore, you incredible dunce. They hire script-kiddies with neon hair and diversity hire qualifications.

What has happened in the past ten to twenty years that makes you think anyone in the game dev environment is competent or willing to become such? Look at /agdg/, for fuck's sake, look at their OP spiels. Look at how they discourage learning to program and look at how it's mostly about pre-made engines.

The pros have always been far lazier than the hobbyist developers, no matter how highly you think of them or their abilities. If the hobbyist isn't interested in doing it the right way, what makes you think the pros are going to do it?

No, those compromises should not affect ring0. Also, this is different in the sense that it's not something that you can simply patch or mitigate.

GOD DAMN IT
On the bright side at least I have a Case Powersupply, storage and a Mobo already

8/agdg/ has several enginedevs and three of five games on 8agdg.wikidot.com/general:finishedprojects were built using custom engines, including Speebot.

DDR4 doesn't give you any improvement in gaming. If your building your rig just for gaming, I'd stick with DDR3.

O U T K I K E D

Fuck, i need to buy a new motherboard an a CPU since i have an asus z 87K

Way to go for forced obsolescence.
Intel, the Microsoft of hardware.

Yeah user that's a really smart idea, or it would be if the platform could use DDR3 at all which it can't.

You're confusing your kikes, mate.

Reading comprehension.

who /ryzen/ here

Due to software compiled with Intel compilers that purposely choose unoptimized code paths for AMD and VIA processors, even if those processors are capable of running the optimized instructions. Spoof the system to make a Ryzen look like an Intel, and that performance improvement disappears. Buying Intel means buying into market dominance, not buying better hardware.

Part of the graphics driver is inside of the kernel you fucking imbecile.

user please stop pretending you know what you're talking about.

Doesn't this count as insider trading?

Seems like videogames are fine but other workloads are more affected.
archive.fo/f7MSz

You'd literally go to real hell, dumbass.

THANK FUCK

tweakers.net/nieuws/133437/amd-belooft-hotfix-om-driverproblemen-met-directx-9-games-op-te-lossen.html#r_10986339

AMD are also stupid.

the problem intel is happening due to hardware you stupid shill.

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oh god that shit is ancient.

but not forgotten!!!

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Supposedly BSD actually does not have this issue because they have never implemented Page Table Splitting to begin with and the OS is simply more secure by design so they have no need to isolate Kernel and Userspace

It sounds like the issue can be mitigated with smarter kernel and userspace abstraction. You can push more shit to userspace to mitigate the need to have it call to kernel memory OR simply have a more optimized memory management subsystem. Its likely Microsoft has their own solution but went have to wait 7 days before the patches roll out and we can see if there's any strong impact on their side. But overall the issue is more or less a kernel design problem and it's likely this will impact Linux (being a monolithic kernel) far worse than Windows or OSX

Pure coincidence I'm sure :^)

archive.fo/AQvyZ

I don't think you know what the word "telemetry" means.

Oh shit, this is huge. The PostgreSQL and Redis losses alone will make sysadmins shit their pants, and I'm sure they'll be mirrored with other similar software as well.

Look intel's already got the faggot quota filled don't make a surplus

t. cuck that loves getting fucked in the ass

t. Intel owners

Give me like 2 weeks.

In 2 weeks you'll be able to own Intel itself for the change in your pocket. And you'd still be better off with the change.

I made a huge mistake

Look at it this way, user: you learned an important lesson that will serve you well throughout your life.

It's not a big deal. Just don't run any software that makes system calls.

I guess I know what I'm doing with my next paycheck.

Its not syscalls per se, just usermode memory accessing kernel-mode memory

If the kernel API calls you want to access are exposed in usermode, or if you run a program that runs 100 percent in either kernel mode or usermode, this will not effect you. The biggest impacts of the bug are database software that requires constant access to kernel mode while abstracting it from usermode for security reasons. Its the reason why people are saying only server admins need to worry. Things like video games and video decoding shouldn't be affected

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Someone posted a few benches that agree with that but no word on emulation and similar stuff.

Is this the hack someone posted in another thread that was a 45 minute dissertation on the -2 level permission? Basically some deprecated patch for 90s processors that they never took out for current designs despite current not needing to remap the BUS manually anymore?

Dodged a bullet.
I feel bad for people who had a PC running this given to them for Christmas.

There is no reason for any emulator to want to access kernel memory so I doubt they will be affected either

Also again, it's to be expected that this will impact Linux far worse than Windows since Linux uses much more aggressive kernel to usermode abstraction. BSD isn't even bothering to implement PTI for example

Knowing intel, it was probably designed for the NSA or some shit, but someone spilled the beans.

And before any autist wants to correct me, I of course only mead vidya gaem emulators, not hypervisors or hardware assisted emulation like KVMs

For anyone genuinely unaware of Intel's long history of massive kikery, here is a fantastic summary you can watch. It's 34 minutes long but it is presented as a slide show, so I could probably make a watchable WebM from it, but that will have to wait an hour or so as I'm not at my PC at the moment to run it through ffmpeg.

The short version: Intel loves to back out of licensing agreements and pay huge piles of cash to companies for them to not purchase AMD hardware.

I saw someone posted the video in this thread too. I'd suggest people just watch it because it's actually pretty neat how the guy found and shows you how to perform the hack. If you're on Linux please don't think you're safe from this

Good think ffmpeg doesn't seem to be affected :^)

Actually I posted the *other* talk about x86 fuckery by the same guy. They're both worth watching. However, I don't think this is the same bug we're talking about in this thread.

There's a lot of rumors that the FX series don't have them since they're 2012 architecture processors extended to around 2014. If that's the case I really dodged a rainstorm of bullets.

Intel has had to fix at-least 3 major bugs (maybe more iME has been fucked to death) in the last 6 month all having major security implications on top of that.

Now tell me, lad, why is the american army trying to force the people to buy new hardware?

First it was the samsung shit that was burning while recharging, now apple did the same, they claimed that something was making the hardware shitty because of a software upgrade, and now theres some wierd bug on these intel hardware, wich by the way is very wierd. Do you remember that accident that happened with that Malasya Airlines plane?

google.com/patents/US8650327

This was the patent worth killing. Just read the ending of the page.

linkedin.com/pulse/coincidence-rothschild-inherits-freescale-patent-bryan

There's clearly some sort of connection.

So… If im on Windows 7 is this update forced?

ffmpeg is affected.

Is there any actual proof that there is an issue and that this is not just a scam to gimp older hardware so people buy new stuff? Intel are turbo kikes so it would be entirely in character for them to try something like that.

Who knows. Apparently 7 has two more years of support, but they're going all out on W10. If I was a kike, I wouldn't roll this out on anything but W10, and force everyone to upgrade or get fucked.

I'm under impression that this happened because people stubbornly still use XP and Microsoft didn't want their machines hijacked to spread malware that could affect newer machines

T.tango

wut?

So it got faster after the patch that supposedly slows it down 30%? What the fuck.

Whoops, my mistake I thought I/O shit being affected would include ffmpeg, it still affects SQL Databases depending on what it's storing and how many transactions it needs to process are also affected by a large amount.

"what is margin of error"

Some things are unnafected, and the difference is so minimal it's not worth talking about (4.19 to 4.17 and 6.04 to 6.11

So what you're saying is Windows' update deployments are going to get even slower?

This is brilliant. Now every software process needs a clearance from the hardware to even run. Self built unregistered computer? Too bad, nothing runs on your rig, and when something runs it's doorkicker time for breaking some arbitrary law somewhere. And "life" in prison is not what it used to be. I love our dystopian horror timeline. It's neat.

That's just a random discrepancy. There's no way a program will execute twice taking exactly the same amount of time. It's more or less the same.

user, that's not at all what's going on. However, one day that'll probably be the case.

No, you know this website you're using? It uses a database management system and contains records like images, videos, text, boards, bans, logs and ips the last time I recalled. But the servers that use databases would have to update in order to get that performance hit, and usually servers use 'outdated' but stable software. It's unlikely.

Don't you think a major security bug would be a high priority update?

Damn it, I was already having issues with Krita slowing to a halt, I don't need this shit too.

Most of select outdated software used for stability will have 'updates' to fix security bugs. Whoever is maintaining the server (the developers who set everything up will be gone to other projects) is going to update whenever the support for the outdated software ends. These outdated software get life support for more than 5 years, so don't expect it soon.

I remember the Intel-internet-tuned "fast" chips+Mbs that never really slept. Secretly always on, for officially no reason. No living person ever found out why. Posting for a paranoid friend.

Yeah, fuck Chick-Fil-A and their involvement in this scandal!

you will get fucked in the ass

Ryzen+ needs higher clocks or at least greater overclocking potential.

Reminds me of Microsoft's Critical Update Notification Tool

Sora a cute!

So it's just another instance of fanboys of X brand making a big stink over Y brand. They get something legitimate to complain about and blow it out of proportion until most of the complaints become downright illegitimate lies. When autists are dedicated enough they can drag out disinformation and exaggerations for ages. For instance, the Nvidia house fire shit during Fermi still isn't dead even after AMD's Tahiti surpassed Fermi in power consumption and heat.

Since the vast majority of consumer software is run entirely in user space, this will have virtually no effect on 99.9 percent of users. And the little use cases this does affect can be mitigated with better kernel space abstraction optimization. As long as you don't need to access kernel memory from userspace millions of times a day you shouldn't give a fuck about this. Like every time this happens you tend to run into a lot of fanboys making it a bigger deal than it is. If you want to upgrade to a newer CPU at this point though Ryzen is certainly looking to be the better choice but if you are currently on the latest Intel shit its not a big deal

Ryzen+ is just a process change but it looks like a pretty good one, 15% improvement seems likely.

It's Ryzen 2 that's going to be a big deal because Samsung's 7nm process is supposedly as dense as Intel's, so this will be the first time in years that Intel doesn't have a manufacturing advantage.

I haven't seen a housefires joke for ages, not even on Holla Forums.

Please tell me that's a joke.

This is a huge windfall for AMD, and a lot of sysadmins are going to be losing sleep and their fucking minds trying to deal with the fallout. Gays like you are not the only market out there.

Just be glad this shit is getting fixed before an exploit came out in the wild, are you would have been affected.

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WOOD SCREWS

"muh board culture" killed /g/

It was a collaboration with IBM, if that makes you feel better.

well Ryzen and threadripper are pretty good alts to intel right now.

So 1500x 1600x or 1700x?

No, because it would be too obvious when it inevitably leaked.

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Whatever makes your heart gladdest, but you should look at DDR4 prices before you put too much thought into it.

I got 16gb of DDR4 that's getting pulled out of my intel machine when it gets here.

Good news lads!
OUR VIDEO GAMES ARE SAFE!
phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=x86-PTI-Initial-Gaming-Tests

My intuition was correct, usermode applications that do not rely directly on kernel mode memory access are not impacted

Alright here's the WebM version, had to split into two parts.

Part 2.

iphon-e-8.blogspot.com/…

Fuck me I clicked it

How do I know if there's a Javascript memory sniffer running in the background?

Bro, you gotta learn to think before you click.
Also why don't you have NoScript installed?

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Laziness, although I might install it now
It appears to just be a harmless spambot though who wants to shill some ad-filled blog si I think I'm safe

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You at least have uBlock Origin installed, right user?

The only 7chan meme anyone remembers.

First you turn off your computer and remove the battery, the AC power, and the CMOS battery. Then you desolder your MMU and CMOS/BIOS logic controller chip. Then you dump the last state of the MMU powered on and make a backup flash of the CMOS's bios portion and comapre those to a known good backup you have a backup right?. If those are good and the same and you aren't using windows as a OS you should be fine. Unless you want to get extremely autistic in checking more things.

M-maybe Windows defender will catch it?

Not a snowflake's chance in hell.

TFW this would be less of a problem if programers could optimize their code
JUST

To be fair, I have seen Microsoft Security Essentials successfully block the execution of a Java application that was part of a drive-by download.

Same question as this user . Been meaning to upgrade for awhile now. Seems to be a big price jump from 1600X to 1700X, benchmarks aren't that different granted those are lies. Fucking hell I didn't want to deal with this.

And here I thought I was retarded.

The non-X Ryzen chips come with decent coolers, the X chips expect you to bring your own cooling. All models can be overclocked, so there is really no point in paying for the extra clock speeds when you can just apply them yourself and save the cash.

The AM4 socket will be supported for at least 4 years, so you will be able to drop in the next few Ryzen generations easily.

Why would you want a hackintosh anyway?

You can do everything on a mac on windows.

Well the older mac laptops have powerpc proccessors so they wouldn't be affected by this bullshit. Just put a GPU in a usb port and slap linux on it. Now you have emulators and FOSS games with web browsing. But there goes the entire x86 library that isn't FOSS.

What about PocketTanks, isn't that MAC only?

I already have a custom cooler I was kinda hoping I could reuse but some searching about is indicating otherwise.

Christ, if it wasn't for Win10 I'd just buy a new PC.

Running a full offline scan, there's no way I'm installing extra anti-virus shit that fights malware by becoming malware itself and I don't want to use GNU/Linux since this is my main media PC and I already have a dedicated Linux machine

Macfags will likely not notice a difference since OSX already uses Page Table Isolation

from what I've read/heard the impact to everyday applications like games is probably going to be about 5%. Not huge but it'll be noticeable.
The real issue at hand is how this will affect enterprise applications. I've heard numbers from 10 to 30 percent, which is fucking huge. Intel shit the bed big time and they're going to have a bitch of a time recovering unfortunately all the kickbacks they get from the intelligence agencies for putting hardware backdoors in all their shit will likely keep them afloat

This will have zero impact on regular usermode applications. 99.9 percent of users will not notice a difference, see

The biggest impacts of this bug more of an oversight really but still will be database applications like SQL that need to make millions of calls to kernel space from userspace a day. That's why Google and Amazon and Microsoft are all collectively shitting themselves. You really shouldn't care all that much though, if you're getting a new CPU though you'd be retarded not to go with AMD/Ryzen however

But with hardware you always lose. AMD, Intel, nVidia, they are all total cancer.

And here I thought I was cursed

I play PocketTanks on Windows

even if you upgrade to ryzen you should hang on to your athlon build. that's one of the last generations of chips without hardware backdoors

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Not to mention those are some of the last quality cpus.

Some reports say it might even hit performance by 50%. The jew has outjewed itself.

The vast majority of programs do not need to access kernel mode memory and are seeing a 0 percent performance impact though

Good to know shills are covering this up. But you're wrong, it affecting everything.

mouthbreather here, what does this mean for Mac users?

No, I'm not

OSX already uses PTI so you will certainly see no performance impact either

Yes you are

You mongoloids glow in the dark.

Same shit, don't trust this kike though

You are one dumb motherfucker.

Like poetry.

I understand reality is difficult to understand but it's okay because gaslighting someone on an anonymous imageboard is easier than using braincells

You don't even know what gaslighting means you kike. Fuck off.

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I done really understand the animosity. You should be happy people didn't completely waste their hard earned money over some retarded companies oversight. But you don't really care about that and are more interested in being a brainless fanboy

This is the most jewish thing I saw today, and I stalk our board owner.

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Yeah, this is getting asinine. Answer me something on-topic - I built a PC recently with fx-8350, 16GB RAM, Gigabyte MOBO. Should I upgrade to Ryzen or will my build last me another 4-5 years?

*and a MSI R9 390 GPU.

I would say definitely get Ryzen because the massive jump in even single-core performance is worth it. The only reason I'd say to hold off would be because you'll obviously also need to get DDR4 memory (not sure how Ryzen plays with DDR3) and there's a big DDR4 shortage at the moment

Upgrade to Ryzen
FX8350 is pretty outdated

Don't. PSP has yet to be open sourced and is present on Ryzen.

This is a board about video games, I done think he really fucking cares about wither something is FOSS or not, this isn't Holla Forums he's not going to share your autistic sentiments. I don't really think PSP is on the same level as ME anyhow

nah, it's price fixing by the kike-gooks
hope they restore the original price on ram modules now that the holiday season is over

Yeah, you weren't kidding. 160 USD for 16 gigs of RAM? Almost double compared to DDR3.

My main issue with upgrading is price - 300 USD worth of hardware swapped out (won't sell for much either) for 400 USD CPU, MOBO and overpriced RAM that may not provide an appreciable performance increase for the cost.

Coreboot rates it about the same on the danger scale, as does Libreboot. The whole issue is it's a secondary CPU overseeing the main one with no idea or control of what it's doing, perfect for a backdoor. The correct way is to have the security coprocessor under user control.

You will be makimg a pretty big performance leap though by moving to Ryzen. Right now memory prices are the big thing holding back builds. Hopefully prices go back down soon

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Stop posting like a redditor

You betcha and it gets hilarious. I can't remember if it was last year or the year before, but other nations had been using the backdoors to spy on Government computers.

They apparently got a lot of stuff before being caught and the government flipped a lid over how companies had these NSA backdoors that other nations were using against the US.

BRAVO
R
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ARE YOU SAFE YET
YOU FUCKING IN TEL AVIV NIGGERS

t. AMD FAG

Stop playing vidya, go outside, make friends, get laid, raise a family. Save yourself.

600-650 USD worth of performance leap? That is the opp. cost, even after RAM prices drop. I'll just overclock a bit more till I can't run the majority of games on ultra at 60fps.

good thing I'm still using my pentium then

Top kek lad.

This bug likely also effects Pentium 4s as well

Seek mental help

It doesn't.

As for price fixing accusations, the main issue seems to be there are only a few manufacturers of RAM and they are in the process of transitioning to a smaller manufacturing process, which hurts yields. iToys, game consoles, and GPUs are gobbling up RAM these days, so you have low supply and high demand, meaning high prices. Also one of the manufacturing plants had some kind of accident in the summer that had them shutting down production fir a while so they could fix it.

m8 you might be a bit brainwashed. sony/microsoft/nintendo no doubt spy on you by collecting statistics but what information are you putting on those systems? Hours played in a game? Better that than the whereabouts of your fucking extended family.

A lot of embedded applications like iToys as well as game consoles still use DDR3 so that doesn't really explain it. Even GDDR5 used for GPUs is based on DDR3. The only thing I can imagine is Smartphone but AFAIK only the top-end flagships use DDR4 while the low-end is taking forever to play catchup

Actually, pirating a PS3 costs far less than pirating on pc at the moment. Any random fat model can be softmodded, so 50 bucks and you're set. How many pc components can you buy for 50 bucks, an internal hd maybe?

iPhone 8 and X both use DDR4, their production gobbled up a ton of the supply.

You're right user, consoles are better, I can't imagine why people don't file their taxes on game consoles

Stop making posts with the redditor meme.

Take your own advice lmao.

is this a pentium 4
why did I even come into this thread when a 10 year old child is more proficient with computers than I am

Your cpu is affected by the bug.
And it's recent, should be 2 or 3 years old.

I'm in the clear I think

Why would you think that?

Look at the launch date.

Because some CPUs are not affected.

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You can't even find a PS2 with the gamepads for that price
You're full of shit

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This fiasco and the fact that jewvidia uses new drivers to gimp the performance of their older cards cements it.
Although I really wish we'd get a non-jewish third GPU/CPU manufacturer in here.

Regret what? Greener grass on the other side of the fence?

You know full well that won't happen until after the final solution comes about.

I could forgive noodle limbs and a missing pair of ice crystals, but that's just fucking retarded.

in the last 4 years they have sold 400 million processors
= 8 000 000 000$
i dont think they will "laugh all the way"

if you can run the majority of games on ultra with your current build, then the performance leap is not worth it. I assume you know what you are doing with overclocking.

More important than that is that some major players are gonna be very pissed off at a fault like this, and the necessary performance reductions to fix it. There could be payouts for them. At the very least less will want to consider Intel in future.

Never mind, found it.

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Notice how he purposedly mixes up an obviety with the lie is trying to pass: that PS3 is outdated (obviously) and that it is more pricey to pirate than PC (false, since good shit doesn't run on toasters).

Laughing track 01.flac

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By any chance, are you from Israel?

Are you by any chance retarded?

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Having spend a good two hours reading about this last night and reading benchmarks with theses new changes added to Linux, stuff like encoding/gaming/general day to day shit you and I do as users is literally uneffected by this change

So no, gaming etc is uneffected

However like I pointed out yesterday shit like access to files etc is massively effected, meaning intel systems running servers etc will see a massive decrease in performance

you'll probably be seeing an OS-level fix coming down the pipes soon. no reason to throw it out.

1600x with 3200Mhz 14-14-14-34 FlareX motherfucker. That Infinity Fabric is running hot as a motherfucker B)

Long story short, in Layman terms, tell a complete PC retard, should I just update my Windows 7 up to date? I haven't installed jack shit since they began pushing that Windows version as an update.

I don't think they've patched it yet. I think it's supposed to be tuesday. And I'm pretty sure the updates that are listed as critical are safe, it's only the optional updates that have telemetry and forced upgrades.

I'd say don't do it yet, and manually install only the specific patch that it's included in.

Also just bought AMD stock to hopefully ride this wave B)

Is the fix an automatic update?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
THE KIKES KNOW NO BOUNDS
archive.is/kFte4

Linus rant when?

Don't want crackers to notice it and exploit it?

There is no oven with enough fire in the world for these creatures.
Only God's holy wrath will do.

I'm just wondering if Windows will go the same route. Probably, considering that if Intel is paying (((free and open source))) software developers to hide the fact that their CPUs are now far worse than AMD's, they'll obviously pay MS too. At least with Linux you can just fix the kike code and compile the kernel yourself, but Windows users are probably up shit creek without a paddle.

I don't think Intel has enough clout to bribe MS. MS is on a completely different level to the point that petty hardware squabbles do not concern them.
They'll patch what they have to, but they'll do Intel no favours unless it turns out that they're too incompetent to make the patch Intel-only which would not surprise me in the least.

Wangblows is shit, but at least I can choose not to update it.

Me neither.

Nigger, Microsoft is so dependent on x86 that they'd probably do it for free just to stay in Intel's good graces.

They could also use it as leverage against intel regarding their attempts at making x86 emulation on ARM more of a thing.

SIXTY-THREE PERCENT!
twitter.com/grsecurity/status/948170302286172160

>'LOL ENJOY YOUR 30% PERFORMANCE HIT INTELNIGGERS'
>turns out AMD is also affected
Could have avoided this by acknowledging that it's not 30% in all cases and mostly affects servers. Now "le 30%" meme applies to AMD as well. Guess you should have fucked off with your disinformation and exaggerations because now you've just convinced every naive tard of a 30% performance hit which hits AMD too.

AMD isn't affected, the kikes just applied the performance-draining fix to all x86 processors and ignored a patch which limited it to affected Intel processors.

Fuck off with your brand war faggotry, intel kike.

AMD confirmed they are not affected, fuck off shill

see

Can someone give me a short rundown of the situation?
Does it effect only x86(32-bit) CPUs or what?
What the fuck am I suppose to even update? A Windows update? Does it even exist for W7?
I am on a Ryzen chip, but my family is not, so I will have to eventually fix their shit.

It AFFECTS (learn the difference between verbs and nouns, faggot) both 32-bit and 64-bit Intel CPUs.
It will most likely be pushed out next tuesday. Windows 7 still receives updates until 2020.

Really gets the noggin joggin.

The patch was applied to AMD. Whether it was mistaken or not is irrelevant as AMD was affected.

Windows fix benches are up
archive.is/ml8aK

Wow, it's fucking nothing.

This 30% you cucks lost I'll earn back soon.

And would you look at that we're all fucked anyways
archive.is/Jj6lf
tl;dr

There's two separate bugs: Meltdown and Spectre. Meltdown only affects Intel hardware and is what these patches for, while Spectre affects basically all modern processors and will be much harder to fix (while also being harder to exploit).

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There's two variants of Spectre. The less malicious one affects everyone, even ARM, the more malicious one only affects Ryzen if you use a non-default kernel configuration.

googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.html

So far it's looking like the impact of the Meltdown patch on gaming is pretty minimal. Nobody's tested multiplayer games or the more Denuvoed titles yet though.

Computerbase.de has tested AC:O (Denuvo 4.7+Vmprotect) the impact is present but under 5%.

That's disappointing, I was hoping for Armageddon.

It's not much in the gaming sphere but you can expect Intel's stock prices to start shitting the bed which will probably affect us in the long run

Shit, that's why the GG and other high post threads crash my toaster?

Every old game ever
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Where?
I wouldn't even make that price for a friend since I could just sell it for 100-150 to collectable faggots.

Get fucked

PC mustard race?

What kind of new opportunities for gaming consoles hacking could this provide?

Meltdown gives almost none, while Spectre could be a fucking goldmine.