Where does this board stand on trans people's rights? Is being Trans evil idpol nonsense created to divide us...

Rights are a spook. I don't mind what your identity is. You'll have an equal place in the revolution and the society to come afterward.

No, concepts of transgenderism predate capitalism and probably even class societies.

Validating identity is stupid. Let people be who they want to be as long as that doesn't involve harming other people, including exploitation.

Traps are comrades.

I don't know if it'll help towards disposing of the concept of gender but

it's not a bad plan regardless

source?

people should be treated by the state as whatever sex they prefer to be treated as at any given moment because it really doesn't fucking matter. The more people who transgress legal definitions and conventions of gender - either because of genuine conditions like dysphoria or just to fuck around - the better off we'll probably be long term. Beyond that, I don't find it necessary or favourable to form a real political opinion about them.

Two of my close friends are MtF and they are lovely people, but I don't talk politics around them if I can help it because they are mostly incapable or unwilling to consider politics beyond how it affects their specific identity as "trans" with a maybe little generic feminist nonsense sprinkled on. I've met and spoken to probably upward of 3 dozen trans and self-identified non-binary people through those friends over the last few years and my (completely anecdotal) experience is that this kind of self-absorption is the norm in that community. That's probably natural if you're part of a group that gets shat on the way they do but I don't really have any use for it.

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>Is being Trans evil idpol nonsense created to divide us
No
No

To begin with, interfering in some bodies life to the point where you're stopping them from behaving a certain way or undergoing hormonal or surgical treatments based on your commitment to your brand of gender politic is needlessly authoritarian. And while I fully accept the existence of gender dysphoria, and am aware of the nueral origins of the condition for many sufferers, I believe that there is a tendency within the trans community towards an obscuration of the condition which leads to some people not being aware of the options available to them. Trans people of course have spent a large part of their life having their legitamcy challenged so in response some develop this generalising attitude towards gender identity issues which removes the nuance as well as the possibility of being critical of gender roles and relations. Ive seen many trans advocates say things along the lines of "if you've ever looked at a lesbian couple couple and been jelous, UR TRANS" or "if you've ever felt more comfortable doing (girl thing), UR TRANS". These are complicated issues which are not unique to trans people, cis people can have gender issues as well as part of a somewhat normal sexual development. My sneaking suspicion is there may be a small amount of bisexual and lesbian transgirls who are transistioning in order to satisfy their need to be loved according to symbolic standards rather than for their own desire (in lacanian terms I'm saying they're hysterics). This is troubling because anyone interested in emancipation from a materialist feminist viewpoint should be wary of accepting symbols of femininity (or masculinity) at face value.

TERFs have the right idea.
Drugged up men in drag threatening to kill women (TERFS) is not a movement I want to be part of.

Abortion, prostitution and FGM are far more important issues than identity and that's all the trans-movement is.

kys

Pandering to people with mental illnesses will loose you public support.
See the US elections.

Don't have a problem with trannies, do have a problem with the people who put them on a pedestal as incorruptible beings. Both trannies I know keep to themselves because of the amount of lunatics in their local LGBT groups.

Trans people have a right to be a little crazy, terfs don't. You have to realise that when your "emancipatory" gender politics requires the elimination of a universally (ie not society specific) present group in order to work, you're not much better than a conservative.

GID is real, gender fluid bullshit is not and should just be ignored.

Stopped reading right there

what about "feels good, man?"

Nice.

Absolutely.

No.

If you chop off your balls, you disturb hormone system, which might affect your mood.

ho my god

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meh

I don't give a toss what you do with your own body. However genders are spooks and don't exist.

gender is a spook

this

This smells like bullshit. People who break gender conventions in a genuinely subversive way are heroes but also very rare and are marginalized even withing the larger LGBT movement. The mainstream trans rights movement is all in favor of new legal definitions and social gender conventions.

You can be trans if the community agrees to divert resources for the chopping

I support the right of people to choose their own fate in regard to their body. I support trans people, as they are a part of the working class.

I also oppose any bigotry in regard to any people, including trans people.

I must agree with this user. I once said I have feminine traits and can get off to imagining being female and this somehow made me trans according to them. Once again identity is turned into politics with strong in and out groups which needlessly hinders the overall phenomenon.

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How in the fuck have you met so many trans people? I've never met one in my life.

Daily reminder you can be racist,homophobic,gay,transphobic,mysogynist,misandrist and still be a communist

You just can't act on it because that would harm the cause.

Because a lot of people around here look like the stereotype Holla Forums has in their minds of us like it or not.

depends where you live and who you know. if your are LGBT yourself you'll tend to know loads of trans people

Sort of.Yeah.But the anti-semitic juices will definetly start flowing once the revolution commences(if it commences)

A significant number of young trans people on the internet are turning toward communism and revolutionary ideas. They will probably have some identity politics, but overall they will become part of the left. We should welcome them and support their struggle first. Challenging idpol comes second.

Class struggle and LGBT liberation are not mutually exclusive objectives. The left can and must do both.

I've only seen a handful of us. All of them fairly attractive twinks. I wonder if that's how Holla Forums imagines Holla Forums.

If the revolution is worth shit those people will have severe burns.

This sounds good

This could be true and should be just another reason to destroy gender norms forced by capitalism.

"trans" shit is falling into porky's agenda

I've never met a working class person who gives a shit about it because they actually have real struggles instead of this buzzfeed crap

Gedner dysphoria is a real thing, and the best way we know to stop the fucking huge suicide rate from it is for the to transition and live as women. Most trans people are proles as well dude, they still have mortgages to pay and shitty jobs to do

it's beacuse of chemicals they put in the food.

There were trans people in preindustrial societies

who fucking cares.
MEANS OF PRODUCTION
PROPERTY IS THEFT

Every thing else is for after the revolution.

not arguments

Well they are mentally ill so I guess you are right. Abolition of sex work, FGM, male violence and sexual health are working class issues. Trans identity is entirely situated around an oppressive binary where men gets their kicks by emasculating themselves by dressing up in women's clothing and assuming the submissive role. Many men are aware of this but because the trans-community is so anti-fetish the thought of autogynephilia is discarded and now everyone MUST want to transition while ignoring the huge desist rate.

Plus this idea that some women have willies and some men have vaginas, so people are now categorised as "uterus-bearers", is shitty liberal inclusivity that pretends to be action.

Of those, only sex work is an actual working class issue and it's not clear that outright abolition is the appropriate solution. Everything else you listed is ideology. I'd like to see some radfems come out against male circumcision instead of just making fun of it for example.

fucking lol

nature.com/news/over-half-of-psychology-studies-fail-reproducibility-test-1.18248

Typical STEMtard

lmao go back to reddit

Medicine is STEM and psychiatry is medicine

Agree with all of this and also have a couple close trans friends. One is a rabid liberal who cares almost exclusively for LGBT and the other is a based commie who fucks with liberals at every opportunity and hates their petty appeasement politics.

I understand the insularity to a pretty big extent too, because trans are killed at a ridiculously higher rate than the rest of the population.

As for transpeople existing and wanting recognition being identity politics, how the fuck do you delude yourself into thinking that. Reactionary social standards (about gender and otherwise) are identity politics that are enforced violently and coercively, and people want to be able to be materially safe and free from those identity politics.

When the trans community talks about how only they have the right to speak or have opinions about topics related to trans issues, or "fuck cis people" and that shit, thats when they get into their own restrictive IdPol habits.

wait, dont, i misread

is LGBT+ bound to be one of the strongest points of capitalism with a human face?
what's stopping porky from giving in to whatever the Lgbt crowd asks for as long as it doesn't conflict with capital?
will Lgbt clash with capital at some point, or is it a list cause to try to keep em on our side at this point?

There is an internal battle within the LGBT community about this. Queer rights are not mutually exclusive with capitalism, but they should be pursued regardless from the radical angle of everyone deserving liberation from a restrictive and exploitative society. If commies can win over LGBT without adopting liberalism that will be a huge blow to liberals

What chemicals?

watch infowars dude, and for god sake get some water filters

Bad question. The clash and subsequent capitalist re-appropriation has already happened.

They deserve to be gas…gulaged.

i support trans people but jesus christ that flag is fucking hideous

Individuals who are mentally ill should be institutionalized so as not to be a threat to themselves or to the community. This is a medical issue that has nothing to do with politics.

Pretty sure its trans people are alright (as long as they're proles) and rights are liberal spooks

>>>Holla Forums

/r/ing rule34 on major donna vs private manning

I think you need to get to the point that you think that mentally ill people are subverting you mentally and physically. It reminds you how imperfect life is, that you can become something you aren't right now.

The idea that someone close to you could harm you and your emotions. Your parents even.

It's the possibility that horrifies you, and you need to rationalize it. I think sex and violence should be exposed outside of film at this point.

For reasons about which I will not speculate, the people in charge of Western societies have decided to massively publicize this particular mental illness which only affects 0.001% of the population. Any rational system would have these people institutionalized and heavily medicated until a cure can be developed.

It's because this particular part of the population is so marginalized they commit suicide more, and are murdered more.

So it becomes a problem, of how do you decrease risks to the population, And it's so contraversial that it generates a dialogue on how to deal with it.

I don't think throwing people in institutions and ruining their lives by never letting them experience life is necessarily a good thing. It's imposing censorship on the being, these people are alive and you're making the same mistakes of the past by treating them like they have tuberculosis ultimately because they make you sexually uncomfortable.

If you think everything else is idpol then all you stand for is the white male worker.

it's 0.3% in the US which is a nation of 300,000,000 so that's about a million people who are openly trans. it's probably more than that now considering the strides in trans acceptance over the last 2-3 years

What "ology" is the implementation calld psychiatry based on?
I'll wait

For the most part it shares more in common with neurology than psychology. There are three fields dealing with the mind, and not one of them is completely wrong about an issue. There's just conversation.

Asking for compassion, medical support, and non-discrimination is all fine and dandy, but what's happening now with firing and protesting people over made-up preferred pronouns, pushing this stuff onto young children, and so on… Don't seem right to me.

Also this.

muh brocialism. Idpol means focusing on single issues and not the working class as a whole,, thus dividing us as a group. Any leftist movement in the US is going to be progressive with their stance on minority groups. antiIdpol doesn't mean you don't accept their issues, antiidpol is about uniting us under 1 struggle, the fight against capitalism, and empowering the workers to be able to overcome all the other idpol issues via the emancipation of the workers

You're using the term idpol to defend idpol, by saying it's not really idpol. The truth is identity isn't as simplistic as that, even if it were you would have to confront different ideas on what identity necessarily is.

I try to be less irritated as possible the more conversation can be had about a topic, or needs to be had, it's useful.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness with its roots in gender roles imposed by society.
Instead of validating the fake identities vulnerable and victimised individuals create for themselves and helping them self-mutilate we should aim at tackling the root cause, that being gender itself.

Only in a socialist framework will we be able to cultivate individual liberty to such a level that gender becomes meaningless and all individuals will be more comfortable within their sex as it will no longer define and control them.

I keep seeing this, but how is destroying gender itself less invasive to an individual?

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How are gender roles to blame??

isn't it convenient how that just works out

0/10
>>>Holla Forums

Don't need to think, because it is.

Gender dysphoria can't be treated psychiatrically, and needs surgical intervention.

Everybody else is attention whoring or in need of a shrink.

It's a real thing for very few people, and medically transitioning is the best treatment only for a small subgroup.

also

Chemicals from plastic that function like hormones, and actual hormones from birth control. It's not a marginal issue, already disrupting many amphibian ecosystems.

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Disgusting degenerates, I'm glad they willingly destroy their ability to reproduce but ideally they should be gassed.

oh, it's a follower of le sincere waterfilter salesman

that explains it

take your super male vitality and just fuck off, retard

"We need to stop these people from mutilating themselves by murdering them"

"Anything less is degenerate"

You can stop virtue signalling and reminding everybody how you're against fun. Nobody believes you, anyway.

Just because doctors do it doesn't make it safe. complications and infections abound, many such cases!
We don't know. We only know they kill themselves at insane rates, and these rates are not diminished by transitioning medically (probably because the group that transitions medically is self-selected for having more severe variety). If the rates go down this decade after all the acceptance (and not because the numbers are diluted by taking on more people into the pool who have very mild varieties that weren't measured previously), we will know which of the two it was.

Wrong! Some cases can be treated by therapy and anti-psychotic drugs (more than half), others by medical transitioning. It's up to medical professionals along with the patient to see which it is. Educumate yourself.

Who's we? I mean these things are carved out pretty solidly and have medical definitions.

is it the same chemicals that make the frogs gay??

You fail to mention the dangers of loading a patient up with that many anti psychotic drugs that would create a worse state than the problem they're currently in.

You can't just drug someone up because that does more harm to themselves than even surgery would. At least estrogen treatment has a good prognosis.

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0032097

Could you link me to an article that proves the heightened suicide rate has to do with (lack of) societal acceptance, and not with concomitant conditions that cluster with dysphoria, or the dysphoria itself? That would settle it for me.

"Estrogern can disrupt amphibian mating beahvior"

That says nothing of plastic. Even if plastic had the estrogen concentration you could get from soy milk, it would still be safe to a human being what is not technically safe for some frog. I mean if we want to save the frogs from butt fucking I'm all for it, but I don't think that's your argument.

TRAPS ARE GAY

it's probably a bit of both I would assume. If you have dysphoria and hate your body you are more likely to self harm or kill yourself, same as with the lack of social acceptance and outright demonetisation in some cases

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

Work to "references", it gives you a list of cited sources you can find on the subject

Binary genders are a strictly western, capitalist construct.

I'll leave that to the professionals. Why do you dismiss anti-psychotics out of hand? It is a mental condition, would make sense that it can be treated by these kind of drugs drugs.

Or do you have some kind of gnostic objection, something to do with the "true self" being repressed in favor of the material?

Traps aren't gay.Also that's Catgril, pretty sure she is a cis woman not a trap

It's almost as if having a mental illness inclines people towards suicide anyway

Broadly supportive but not really interested in discussion or activism.

Although I have to wonder where the line is drawn between dysphoria and something that doesn't actually require treatment, but is just a consequence of our horrible culture. I thought I was trans as a teenager, but after dwelling it on a bit concluded I just wanted to be a young, pretty girl because society considers it cute, and what I really wanted was cuteness, and in turn concluded that going forward into adulthood I'd much rather be a man than a woman, but the earlier flirtation lead to a lot of reading into trans* stuff before it got big on Tumblr.

Binary gender identity comes from sexual dimorphism, as in men and women have different biology and identities and social roles built up around this. It's not western in any way

prove it faggot

I don't know if that's actually the case. The oft-cited Swedish study doesn't say this. It just says that those who transition have higher lifetime suicide attempts.
(Which makes sense, since they do self-select as the most serious cases.)

I'm a major in psychiatry, and this is a pretty common topic, so I know a lot about it. I don't think psychotics are needed because they themselves can offer more side effects to the mind than estrogen themselves THAT concentrated.

You can't just put someone in a state where they're drugged into being neutral as possible as individuals with more risk to be mentally unhealthy than they were previously.

The fact is, that anti psychotics are dangerous last possible second drugs. Far far far more dangerous than estrogen.

Still reading, but summary seems to indicate it's an and-and; higher suicide rate all over, which is heightened further for people who report discrimination, can't hide it, etc.

And? That's a topic of discussion. That's not a if and or but end of it. "Mentally ill people commit suicide" is more or less the topic itself. Mentally ill people commit suicide.

Because, how do you really recognize you yourself aren't mentally ill anyways? I mean there's more preclusion in any of these communities to be mentally ill but hide it, or at least not know of it, keep it locked away.

But I think you're intentionally separating suicide rates as if they don't effect the population of this very board, including yourself.

im transbian

They should have their identities validated without question and then, they will also stop attention whoring. I personally don't give a shit that trans people are trans. I am only annoyed at the idpol attention whoring.

Why would they when by having their "identities validated" you've basically implied that if they complain loud enough you'll bend over backwards to accommodate them?

I think politics today, the more people say they're "less effected" by something, are more effected by it. The controversy of this issue itself is interesting because on the surface you see people willing to compromise others medical rights because the topic is sexual. Or could be sexual.

The psycho-sexual issues that arise always end up in these topics ending up, people separating them more and more as if they can become a way to separate them. As a way to blame social ills on them. Distance themselves from it.

I think today, nobody wants to be mentally ill, but you have to face more people are becoming mentally ill. Including yourself. But more people want to hide from it, the topic. Especially clinical depression.

Reality is a lot more medical and Philip K Dick than you would like to think.

Again, case-specific treatment, your blanket statements are nonsense. It's not a choice between transition and completely doping the person up, it's a spectrum from simple talking cure all the way to full medical transition, to be determined by the treating physicians with their patient. Full transition is not the norm, and for the better, because it's very physically demanding.

You're a second year student, not a professional.

You could say that about really any medical issue.

If you think transgenderism is this important, you basically admit that you lack the mental and emotional capacity to have a political opinion.

I don't think you understand the severity of anti psychotic drugs.

This is blatantly untrue. Practically every culture outside of traditional western civilization has concepts of non-binary genders. See everything from ancient Mesopotamia and Egypt to indigenous Hawaiians, ancient Incans, the indigenous people of Madagascar, and famously the twospirit people in Native American culture. Hell, even modern day India, Nepal, and even fucking Pakistan recognize third-gendered individuals.
Binarism is a western construct.

Yet here we all are talking about it. Everyone talks about it because it's sexual. Whether you hate the idea or not, everyone is willing to destruct over sexual issues.

And how many of those peoples practiced slavery, ritual sacrifice, cannibalism, etc?

Sorry user, you don't get to pick and choose which facets of primitive cultures support your argument

Validating their identities is less of an effort than constantly complaining about it and engage in hour long pointless debates about it like Jordan Peterson and his cult. "Hurr durr, you're not really a female.Muh free speech"

they have concepts, but the vast majority of people self identify as male or female. Gender binary arose from agrarian societies having men do the hard labour and women do the childcare.

I disagree in a way. Lots of people "want" to be medically ill for secondary gains like sympathy, or understanding of difficulties in life, or even just as a sticker to use in lieu of personality. That's why you have the cult of self-diagnosis and so on.

Hell, I've given some thought to how you'd balance physically injuring yourself to leapfrog those people (because people know about those who lie about mental illness, or "depressed people who seem fine" and attenuate their sympathy accordingly, but haven't yet applied the same to the physically disabled) so if you want to get ahead, you've got to make it unambiguous that you're inhibited. That's where you need to plan a way of breaking your own leg while making it look like an accident so you get nice visible crutches.

I half wonder if we'll see a spike in "accident" numbers as this moves ahead. If an idiot like me can make it a hypothetical, other people with nothing to lose will surely make it a reality. And then sympathy will attenuate again…

Look how long can we go on talking about degenerates and how minorities are more similar to cannibals than they are you

err, mentally.
Though "medically" applies too, since obviously some paper from a doctor who made you play with a 20-questions sheet immediately kicks up the value of your depression diagnosis.

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Sure but you also have to understand where the stigma of mental illness itself comes from.

It's a want to not be mentally ill, or trying to separate or classify individuals as separate. When in reality, that's perhaps the most destructive way to go about things. Short term solutions offer short term simplistic answers, but the simplest answer when it comes to the mind is not necessarily the correct one.

What I'm saying is like it or not, however you rationalize it. You're this deep into the well of internet communities and you have to face the fact you yourself may be mentally ill.

Which changes the discussion of what mental illness is, as you hope to separate it from yourself.

kek, says the man that would laugh at Holla Forums if they tried arguing that slavery was some constant of human history, but apparently non-binary genders are because many of those same slavery-practicing societies also liked to fuck boys dressed as girls provided there was a third-gender workaround to essentially argue "no homo, bro"

Politeness is a spook, if I want to call zhe a he I'm going to call zhe a he

Sure, if you want to get sued in the human rights tribunal.
I won't care about you getting sued though, because i don't give a shit about you.

My primary concern has always been not having the illnesses or disorders I've been diagnosed with. Then I'm high and dry with no excuses*. (Perhaps one reason the whole physical illness thing occurred: You can actually make the ambiguous into concrete reality.), it's a sort of reversal of stigma that's ongoing, or at least perceived even if not really rolled out properly in reality.

*Though paradoxically, I can't bring myself to verbalize them as excuses anyway. I am the eternal lazy person, because I don't draw the connection myself and nobody wants to draw it for me when they're happy to accept "lazy, your fault."

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Nice false equivalence friend-o.

>Can we have non-binarism without the rampant slavery that those societies seemed to indulge in? Oh, and I don't want none of that Hawaiian "if you stand in the chief's shadow you must be mutilated as a sacrifice to compensate for his lost mana" taboo shit as well, thanks fam

Human rights are is code for bourgeois rights.

Nice "leftist" ideology you have there. I can't wait to get in line for my dose of happy pills.

They're like furries; harmless weirdos.

I think it would be more rightist to say fuck the science behind it let's just leave everyone to find for themselves.

In today's world, reality isn't that simple.

I'm arguing actually in the opposite of "take pills and shut up".

I'm arguing we should never treat anyone as if they have fucking Tuberculosis a century ago because of their mind.

The real problem is we can't treat anyone right.
I'm reminded of a poster I saw that was bemoaning how few autistic people went into employment, and how businesses were missing out on this opportunity. All I could think is how it's underlying (intentionally or not) a general push to cut disability funding and flood the labour market even more than it already is.

Which really (through a long and very windy road) means that the problem is capitalism again, in that specific instance. But it's an interesting cross-roads, because obviously you shouldn't assume someone is completely incapable of self care, work, etc, if they're autistic and want to do so (and can) just because a piece of paper says otherwise. But similarly, it's absolutely cynical to try and force them towards the expectations we hold to "normal people." when that's the case.

I think the underlying problem is how horrible we are at interpreting people as individuals. We're more willing (arbitrarily) to make allowances for something that's been medicalized. (I'm reminded of some Schools classifying gifted children as special needs, because the latter will get you extra funding. There's no real reason not to fund gifted kids, but there's no political impetus behind it, so…)

I think you're willing to treat everyone as if they're on equal level to a fault, the fact is just as the body has difference between every person, really so does the mind. The mind and body are not separate.

And the mind is never as simple as it seems on the surface.

That isn't to say I'm in favor of over classifying everyone into difference. Just that some people happen to be mentally ill and shouldn't have stigma.

Which I don't think should be that controversial a statement, but apparently it is.

Where is freudfag

and why is a stalinposter defending trannys
You know how I know you're from reddit?

Any and all MLs or MLMs defending trannys are obviously from reddit, continuing their long tradition of being revisionist tards

So what you want is to distigmatizing mental issues, ok that's a fairly generic opinion and something most reasonable people agree with needs to happen. I contend that "you're mentally ill yourself because of the websites you visit" is the wrong way to go about it, rhetorically, ethically, and scientifically.

It already fucking is!

True. And I was never suggesting that one should be officially diagnosed by their browsing habits, obviously.

But that doesn't mean that people alienated from society aren't for a reason, and people that don't congregate from alienation aren't just for employment issues. Could also, and usually, relate to health.

Which is to say, as long as you're this far into the internet, you shouldn't nearly be as this separated from mental health as an issue in your life because it very well could be.

I'm not saying "I'm diagnosing you" or "diagnose yourself". Just don't be unprepared you yourself, or anyone here really, could be focus of our own misgivings about mental illness. One person who says we should treat mental illness as a monolith we need to take care of as a "threat to public safety", shouldn't be that surprised when they come under their own harsh penalties.

I think the problem is I'm just used to these ideas and not necessarily everyone is.

Nobody wants to question their own mind as to why they're here posting right now every day, just like nobody wants to question the health of their own body. Especially in America.

lmao why are you acting like redditchan is some obscure spoopy part of the deep Internet?

Maybe you should go back to kikebook and stay there.

youtube.com/watch?v=rEsNUJp9dcM

I'm not acting like its obscure. It isn't. I'm not acting like it isn't more than it is.

gender dysphoria is a mental illness, but is manageable most of the time and in most children it goes away after puberty

acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

It is disgusting how liberal ideology uses people with gender dysphoria by feeding and normalizing their psychosis, and offering chemical castration to children

they just need help is all

You mean capitalist societies here.

Agrarian societies are not divided on anything like those lines (though they are divided).

By which you mean 47% of dysphorics who don't transition kill themselves or become drug addicts.

But hey lets just ignore all the terrible shit that happens when it 'goes away'.

the very fact that you are thinking in the terminology of "like a boy"vs"like a girl" is an example of gender roles existing.
that person (you?) sees an alternative gender role and decides to act that way.
if the "girl/boy" dichotomy didn't exist you would just act your own way without labels.

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Gender is spook, anyone who disagrees should be banned. Be them genderfluid redditors or essentialist Holla Forumsyps.

classic tankie

this may be because of their newfound gender role's cultivation which is then ripped away from them by the latter stages of puberty; this can be prevented.
in fact it could be for allot of reasons more.
correlation =/= causation.

though, I hardly think it's a mental illness.
if it is a mental illness, then so is the adoption of the "correct" gender roles.

Just let them be.

I don't really care.

Anyone has the anfem-annihil synthesis memeballs?

I agree with you but

I swear to god if that's actually Jim Profit.

I'm scared in general of talking to "oppressed" groups. Just don't see the point. Maybe it's because I'm self loathing or something but I get the impression they just dislike me

That's probably the main reason I've never been involved in any left wing causes. It would just be miserable as a straight white guy

Treating them with basic human dignity is no skin off my ass. The revolution is for all workers

Pretty much

My personal circle of friends are all sexual or gender deviants and as a result my extended circles tend to be full of the same.

Sort of like how if you're a huge football fan, lots of your friends and acquaintances will tend to be as well.

Around here you go to one big party held by a transgirl and you can meet basically the whole city's trans community.

The one major exception to general LGBT fixated liberalism that stuck out for me was this one transgirl I met briefly about a year ago. She was one of those who didn't just pass as female but was a total knockout, pure feminine in every visible way. Beyond generally caring about trans rights, she was full on MRA and really passionate about it. It was bizarre.

Even post-transition defectives have a high suicide rate, it doesn't change much after.

We don't care how you identify, and most of us will respect your identity, we just don't discuss it often because it is largely irrelevant to the board and the topics we do discuss.

hmmmm

If someone wants a vagina instead of a penis, why not let them?

hmmmm

But maybe they just think that vaginas are prettier, and boobs would be fun to have.

It is literally impossible to trade your penis for a vagina.

I feel that in a true communist society if you haven't lost your virginity by age 18 you should be given the option to go on hormones, and be leased as somebody's personal submissive femboy. Also cosmetics, and clothing will be supplied for free.

don't they?

20 y/o virgin here, fuck off.

this
same thing will soon happen with the trans movement, just watch

tfw communist society creates a movement of young men going full abstinence until adulthood because they're saving themselves for this

I personally would tell you it's a sign you MAY be trans but not outright proof
That sort of thing is an incredibly common early sign

Tranny faggots are such a small segment of the population that they're not really worth the time discussing, especially at the cost of discussing economic issues that affect the vast majority of proles, including tranny faggots. Caring this much about a statistically insignificant issue is definitely idpol. It goes without saying that we don't discriminate, so I don't see why you have to ask specifically about this.

Reminder that anfems do nothing but shitpost and lower board quality. Responding at all only encourages them.

Close enough
Rated PG Parental Guidance
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I approve of this.

Literally more loathsome than Christ can fundies at least they don't pretend to care

holy shit that wordfilter.

No they do it to fight dysphoria and being incredibly uncomfortable I'm their body

No it is not good enough. It's a disgusting flesh wound prone to complications.

Gender dysphoria is a horrible psyop propagated by Jewish plastic surgeons it is utterly impossible for a man to believe himself to be a woman. A man cannot fathom what menstruation is, a man doesn't have the same amount of sex hormones swimming around in his brain as a woman does, a man does not develop lactating breasts, a man does not know what an ACTUAL vagina feels like.

Transgenderism is the worst evil the kikes have to spread to our civilization and they will pay for it dearly on day of the rope.

Can't wait to forcibly sex change nazis after the revolution.

I agree, pumping qt tomboys full of testosterone breaks my heart and I like twinks a lot more when they have dicks than when they don't, which is why I'm a gender abolitionist.

If people believe it's a penis, socially speaking, it's a penis. Reality must be bent to conform to the lies, in pure form it's too cruel to comprehend.

nb: this approach to lying has left the poster completely unhinged, since it's very easy to get into an infinite loop of lies-versus-reality when you have difficulty with time: the lie requires that the present be remembered differently to how it actually occurred - plausible, when no witnesses are around, but impossible to engineer in advance. You can't always make the lie reality in the present, even if the past requires the reality to have become the lie.

One of my close friends is transsexual, and it's absolutely a real thing. It, on its own, is no more "idpol nonsense" than race.

However, that being said, we can analyze the way transgenderism fits into society, and it's the way we do that, that brings about whether something is identity politics. If we only try to look at transgender oppression on its own, without coming to understand the other systems in society that interact with it (ie, class analysis) then we end up with unintelligible meaningless garbage.

Transgenderism, on its own, is not the oppressed part, and this is where identity politics fails to be coherent. Why is transgenderism oppressed? There's not really a very good answer here. Because people "just" don't like them? Because they're "different"? A minority? None of these answers have any real scientific or philosophical rigor and start to fall apart when you try to apply it to other situations (The super-rich are a tiny minority, but they're the least oppressed on the planet.)

This is why we need to come up with a more rigorous and careful analysis based in how a society actually functions as a whole.

In a sense, the increasing explanation of "racism = power + prejudice" has a lot of truth to it, but the people who pull it out don't really apply it properly. Being white "is" powerful for reasons that don't really stand up to serious examination. Being cis "is" power for reasons.

The proper way to come to understand the oppression of any given identity is the realization that identity is not the root of the oppression itself, but rather the means by which that happens to someone who lacks power. Someone who can afford to just laugh at the members of the dirty unwashed masses making ineffectual bigoted statements on twitter before going and swimming in their private jet's pool has an utterly different experience from someone who can't afford to avoid their racist neighbor's continual harassment. A poor white male who is stuck with SJW's who attack and demean him for being a white male has a very different life from what happens to Trump.

Class analysis means you're viewing identites as a means to oppression, idpol is viewing the identities as being oppressed in themselves.

Speak for yourself, user. :^)

How do trans people come to the conclusion that the problem is not in the brain but in the rest of the body?

I guarantee this perspective is coming from a white male with a muh privileged background who's never faced descrimination, or adversity as a result of thier racial heritage. Opinion discarded.

Holla Forums please go.

or contribute something of value.

I don't remember the word for it, but isn't that just an egg-and-chicken sort of situation?
I mean for example let's literally say you take a woman's brain and stick it in a man's body using the high tech tools that FALC will doubtless provide.

Which is "wrong"? Neither, or both. The problem comes in the combination.

So you then want to unscramble that combination, and you wind up looking at all the options and you see that for some patients, transitioning really is the only answer. (contrary to popular belief iirc they do just give less serious cases therapy etc.) Because you can't "fix" the brain.

I think in medicine a lot of the time we forget to look at things in such a problem oriented fashion, and assume an unreasonable degree of protection, or implicit morality - right and wrong - where really you're just trying to solve a problem. A kidney transplant will put an external kidney inside me, but it's the "right" kidney by merit of the fact it actually works.

But then I'm not actually a doctor/med student/whatever so maybe I've not been let in on their secret tomes of morality.

samefag

Probably shouldn't have left that so open ended.
Obviously I'm referring to it in a contextual situation. If you could offer that, people might well take it, but I'm saying that in certain cases it's just not an option. Your body has rejected the kidney, try again.

The problem isn't "in" the body, the problem is in the ought-is dissonance.

continuing.
Your mind's concept of your body is generally what you think you ought to be, your body is what it is. For reasons that are hopefully obvious (because i don't want to explain it), most people would strongly prefer the "is" to come in line with the "ought" than change their "ought" to match the "is".

Can you faggots make one goddamn post without accusing jews of doing something?

pic related?

In some ways, yes, but it's not necessary that it be intentionally caused by the capitalist class as division. Just that a lack of power is a prerequisite to systemic oppression.

the nazi is kind of right, it really isn't good enough. especially for muricans with mutilated dicks

this post is jewish shilling we're onto you schlomo
t. Holla Forumsack

Fair point, but if you look at dysphoria from purely a harm reduction or problem-solution perspective, what about situations where a person feels like a limb of theirs does not "belong" and will go to the extent of chopping it off. Do we remove the dysphoria and the limb or neither, risking depression/suicide? Not exactly analogous, but still.

This is more or less what I was getting at.

under communism can it be girls only?

girl(boy)s are revolutionary must haves, if you oppose cute traps then you are counter revolutionary and will be shot

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There's no being more liberated (socially, and physically) than that of the young man who defies the gender stereotype society has placed him in and embraces femininity, even neo-liberaIs understand this. I feel like the face of a 21st century communist society is that of one who is Gender Fluid.

I have never come across a psychoanalyst who is 100% pro-trans. Does it fuck up all the theory?

I feel like you need to get dicked

girl dick

I don't care anymore.

I just don't fucking care anymore.
Mutilate yourselves. Fucking do it.
I don't fucking care.

You're a fucking retard for caring so much about this petty bullshit.

We should care more about the indoctrinating news services that talk about it as an issue 24/7.

STOP. I DON'T FUCKING CARE. STOP RUBBING IT IN MY FACE.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

more pls

Is that a fucking guy?
Holy fucking shit what a fucking pussy.

faggot

grow up

>implying you wouldn't smash the shit out of his boipucci

It's a fucking meme.

But same with religion I guess, so fucking let it be.
These retards are too focused about these little bullshit issues that are fucking nothing.
I mean I would worry more about my paychecks and shit like that. Not my fucking genitals not being the right shape or not being able to shit like a little girl.

What is the problem with these fucking retards? It's like they're sedated and live on another fucking planet to me.
LEARN TO FUCKING SWIM.

I would smash it with a fucking shovel.

He's a very pretty faggot. Nice. Well done.
Will it feed you at the end of the day?

there's a fish and chips store down the road lol

The cunt is such a sheltered puppy I want to bully him for being a faggot.

i was worried but it sounds like you'd stick your dick in his bum to spite him, probably while screaming no homo

Mate I would ruin that kid.

fuck i wish you'd clarify it to me if you mean beat the shit out of him or otherwise cause so far everything could be interpreted as a double entendre

not that it matters i guess ke

trans people are people and occasionally a protest or parade is warranted.
idpol is bullshit though so i suggest you use common sense when evaluating what to support and what to ignore.

top-tier analysis tbqphwyf

Why not both?
Rape the fucker then bash his head in.

regular sadist you are

How very Freudian. Look how he projects his homosexuality onto others and displaces his own rage and self loathing.

Sadism doesn't come into it.

I want to watch the news, perhaps on the sports - no it's fucking trannies
I want to read up on new legislation, perhaps about property law issues - no it's fucking trannies
Try to learn something new at uni, go into the library - it's fucking tranny awareness month

I DON'T CARE ABOUT TRANNIES STOP SCREECHING AUTISTICALLY ABOUT YOUR GENITAL DEFORMITIES
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Also I don't believe in gender/sexuality identity memes.

They're just like how people group each other with the things they wear or the tv shows they like.
IT DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST IN REALITY

Can I identify as a woman, then apply for grants and loans intended for women?

Tucker Carlson vs Zac Petkanas - "Your Gender Identity Determines Your Gender, Period" 2/23/17

youtube.com/watch?v=xRUIScKOZvc

brah trannies are a totally made up meme

the ancient greeks had traps (all the boy servants they fugged) it's completely normal to hit on traps until they start actually looking like guys. that's when they're too old and you put them down

pls explain

It's only gay if you push back?

Seriously, sodomy is a dangerous act. For some reason the act spreads disease more than vaginal sex.
Never really dug into that much though. I can imagine it does serious damage to those organs though.
The love is nothing bad, the anal sex is.

But at the same time if you're too stupid to protect your body - then by all means destroy your body.

just use fucking condoms jesus

Even then - there's organ damage.

It's fucking stupid.

Furthermore sexuality is an encompassing thing that seems to condition people into specific types of behavior, rather than describe a physical reality.

It's just an annoying fad that blind pussies fall for.

who's organs? theirs?

you're passionate about this

t. African preacher

Holy fuck Holla Forums, put the bottle down and go to bed.

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You have the right idea, but try this when you have the opportunity: ask people who are involved in the trans movement if, should it exist, it would be moral to proscribe a pill that would simply end dysmorphia and make transfolk feel okay with their body.

You will be eaten alive, because too many people don't see it as an issue of illness/cure/amelioration, but rather fundamental self-expression and self-definition.

Pleb.
You're doing exactly what they want you dumb shit. Angry people click more.

Quick, tape (what?) their report and put it on youtube so you can get upvotes for sharing this fun.

"News" is dead.

Somewhat related to this: many in the deaf community is viciously opposed to hearing treatments and artificial hearing, because they are ultimately an existential threat to their culture and community.

Well said, comrade.

5 stars post

Sex is literally not a spook. It is a purely biological feature and with the exception of a few very rare medical cases everyone fits neatly into the two categories we have that are based on these biological features. They compliment each other completely and there is no room for other categories.

However, we attribute many features to these categories that don't necessarily belong to them and in trying to resist these gender norms some people seemingly misunderstood and though what we were doing was resisting the categories of sexes. That's what I think is the issue. Unlike, let's say, race, everyone fits neatly into the categories of male or female. Trying to oppose it is like trying to oppose having two arms or some shit. It doesn't make any sense. The existence of two sexes is a defining feature or humans and most animals. It's how we ensure genetic diversity.

Fight for women's right for abortions and equal pay, or the right for men to not be laughed at if they want to be a nurse or some shit, but it doesn't make any sense to fight against such a clear biological feature.

I think the problem is that the question is sort of a trojan horse for "And therefore we should invest all our time in such a pill and stop giving people hormones to transition with"

There's naturally the self-identification part (especially with being trans, and with the number of people who're probably not actually trans [though "actually trans" isn't really a thing either because reality is collapsing around us because it's not made up of nice little box-categories we can put in a database.] in particular that's going to be a huge thing. With no other real sources of identity, what can you turn to? But there's also that general trend in an argument, where if you concede ground at one point then you're at risk at the next, so you've really got to shut it down there-and-then. Identity is interesting, even if it's a hell of a drug.

(I suppose an example argument would be "Capitalism where everyone's happy", sure, that might be great, the problem is if you concede that then you've just fired an Exocet into the hull of HMS Communism.)

Interesting corollary.

Sounds a lot like the things folk like Boko Haram says when they oppose girl's education honestly. And in that case, I say individuals > tradition and community. But when it comes to this postmodern/humanist cult of the self, I feel like I should oppose that as well somehow.

I don't know where to stand on this.

That would of course be reprehensible, but I don't think there is a risk for it unless we get a fundamentalist government steering funding. For one, there is little money in such a pill, much more in ever more sophisticated surgery. So capitalism would favor body modification, having better potential for commodification.

Re identity, I suppose I think people should accept their thrownness, and be individuals within that frame. It creates space for both a given identity, and self-definition. Though I suppose this becomes difficult if you happen to be thrown into a world of liquid modernity…

Nobody said there is more than two sexes, the "debate" is about whether there is 2 or more genders, which are the social roles people fall into. However you can be trans without being in favor of more than two genders.

What I want to say is that people oppose the "gender binary" while at the same time clearly connecting the concepts of sex and gender. What exactly is a gender? Yes, its the social role you have, but what does that mean? Being a policeman is clearly a social role, there are features and responsibilities attributed by society to it and it couldn't exist without a society, but would we call that a gender? No probably not because what we call gender is the social rolls attributed to the biological sexes. Even if you have more then two genders then they have to have some connection with a sex for us to call them a gender. As a result of this, you've split them into two categories whatever you do.

I know that there are people who want to change their gender and sex within the normal definitions of them (what I'd call "true transexuals" or some shit), but I don't think that's really a part of the debate of the struggle against the gender binary or what ever because it clearly fits into what's reasonable from a gender binary perspective.

That's just nonsense. There is a near unlimited amount of social roles to fall into, and thus an exponentially unlimited combination thereof. For those roles that are not tied to biology, there is only one real answer: everyone can assume them so they choose, are able, or are best at them.

There are men, there are women, and both can do what they want. Anything else is crypto-reationary. To assume some kind of essentialist identity based on certain preferred roles is just… it's stupid!

As I understand it, thats not really the point. The question of the dysphoria-curing-pill is more related to the illness-identity dichotomy around transgenderism. If one supports gender reassignment surgeries from a medical harm reduction perspective, to be consistent they have to support the magic pill too. But because of the identity questions related to gender and transgenderism, the concept such a pill is seen as an affront in itself.

In my non-medical non-researched opinion, if society let women do "men's things" and men do "women's things" more openly and without it becoming a conflict of identity, gender dysphoria would plummet.

Only if you justify communism vis-a-vis capitalism with "communism makes people happier". Happiness is an extremely shoddy way of judging the worth of a society. That would make a society permanently on Soma inherently an utopia.

Tradition has no inherent worth except as a historical curiosity. Cultures are not immutable or sacred. I would genocide the deaf community by making them hear in a heartbeat and without remorse.

Fully automated revolution run exclusively by cute boys and cute girls. Robots should do all the heavy lifting and nasty fighting

People don't go through the hell that is transition because of gender roles

It's a mental illness that affects less than 2% of the population.
It's not particularly well understood, and the "treatment" is barely deserving of the name.

That said, it's a major distraction that is touted in the news to divert the population's attention from their own material conditions.To hear the media go on about it, you'd think their were millions of them fighting for basic rights akin to the civil rights movement of the 60's, when it affects less than 1 in 2400 people.
They deserve compassion and understanding, but treating them as something normal and feeding their delusional behavior should be discouraged.
My .02 cents.

Anecdotal. I know a couple of trans people who are very active socialists.

It's either your 0.02 $, or your 2 cents.

Can you elaborate?

So it's physical dysphoria alone then?

No, necessity would imply that it's in the way to cure it.
GD makes the aflicted believe it needs surgical interevention under the false hope it's a solution. This belief is the central part of the mental illness to begin with, so don't reinforce it by supporting it.

the trans people I know have said thy're going to get SRS because looking down at the 'wrong' genitals makes them feel really dysphoric. Also here in the UK getting your official gender changed, like on birth certificates and things, is a real bitch and if you don't get SRS the government basically say "you aren't really trans". I'm not trans myself and this is only what trans friends of mine have told me

for a sec I read SRS as shit reddit says

I understand them. Of course, they would now say to me "no you don't, otherwise you'd support our SRS". But we can keep on arguing all day about beliefs, psycology and etc.

But at the end of the day this didn't happen nearly as often a hundred years ago. Stuff like GD, social alienation, OCD, hypochondria, they are all caused by modern lifestyle, in cramped up cities where people feel more tense and less valuable, terrible industrial foods, who knows what else. Also, human interaction is greatly potentiated by the modern mass communications, that enables pathogenic memes to travel faster.

Human interaction is calibrated to the small tribes we formed for the last three million years. It's a researched subject how humans are stressed out just by the presence of so many people as in the cities (that's why many people will actively avoid interacting on public transport, it's overwhelming).
I firmly believe this is a mass histeria phase, a mass delusion, produced by a moment in human civilization where the social networks became so densely cramped with connections that the usual memetic mechanisms produce mass delusions in an attempt to find uniqueness and struggle in an uncaring world.

And I don't blame, the anxiety manisfests in me in other ways, we are all in this. Some became xenophobic, others self-harming, etc.
GD is real, but SRS is just as effective as giving cancer to a hypochondriac so he is at peace with his itching urge for identifying ilnesses.

that's not true at all. just because they got killed for being ' a girlly little faggot' then doesn't mean they didn't exist. OCD definitely existed. Sure now you don't just die from being agoraphobic or something like you did before.

I do agree that we feel more alienated as a single person in a endless sea of faces, and that this does feed mental conditions. Some people no doubt are trans to be special snowflakes to diversify themselves from what they see as blank personalities.But unless we go full anprim, what are we gonna do? destroy the massive cities hundreds of millions worldwide live in?

Thing is many trans people honestly will kill themselves if they can't get over the dysphoria. Transitioning is seen as the legitimate treatment for that as of now. I'm fine with it as it is better than nothing. HRT and SRS can work wonders, I've seen it first had with some of the trans people I know.But I also know that if you said "here's a magic pill that makes dysphoria go away" most of them would take it and live as their birth gender, because they know deep down that they aren't a 'real' man/woman and that they have to keep taking estrogen/testosterone because they can't make it themselves. You'd no doubt be called a transphobe for suggesting they take the magic pill and live as they are 'supposed to'.

I think there are sides to both arguments though. See I would say if you said to a gay person "here is a magic pill to make you heterosexual" that pill isn't needed because being homosexual is a natural thing and homosexual people are accepted in society, in civilised society that is, so if trans people had the levels of acceptance as gay people would we need a magic pill to fix dysphoria to exist?

Yes, because they would still have the dysphoria, which causes suffering even without marginalization, unless treated (and with current treatment, after treatment as well for many/most).

All of the bigender/gender fluid/non-binary shit is nonsense.

MtFs and FtMs do experience dysphoria, and should be treated, whether it involves just hormones or surgery, as this is the only means of treating the condition with strong scientific backing behind it. Other means may indeed exist, however, they need more research. Regardless, it is important for people to realize that this is a neurological issue, not a psychological issue. You don't become trans because of some event in your life. You are trans because you've got a fucked up brain size and neural density. Men and women naturally are a bit different. Men have larger brains with more neurons, women have smaller, faster brains. Trans people basically have the wrong brain type for the wrong body. So you can't treat it like a psychological disorder.

Yes, it is primarily physical dysphoria. Gender expectations can make things a bit more difficult in that trans people face abuse for not conforming, experience trauma and distress for either not conforming or being forced to conform from a young age, but if we suddenly lived in a society without roles it wouldn't magically cure dysphoria.

I have read the brain differences theory before, but how sound is it? Is it academically accepted or just "pop science"? Because just about any disorder will generate different activity.

Which also begs the question, wouldn't it be possible for the brain to have yet a third or fourth or whatever configuration, each one constutiting a wholly different type of dysphoria?

I apologize if it sounds like I'm being smarmy, but it's a sincere question. If the key to gender dysphoria is body dysphoria, wouldn't it be akin to apotemnophilia?

It's another episode of humans vs orcs: genderlocked edition

u wot?

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they have a right to not be murdered or raped or assaulted, kidnapped or robbed. They have a right to speak their minds and to travel freely. They have a right to have sex with other consenting adults as they please. They have no rights outside of these, anything else is too much

that image is pure nonsense, its not even remotely the same in two depressed people much less a million. Total psychiatry cargo cult science. Anyone whose not class cucked out of their minds knows that psychiatric medicine is basically Nazi/Soviet mind control/social engineering that's protected by the authority vested in actual MD's (see: surgeons, cardiologists, gynecologist etc). Disgusting how many leftists defend this trash

Well, that's kind of my point. How sure are we that the brain difference theory of transexuality isn't as bunk as those?

They could be similar, sure. If the body map theory is somewhat accurate, it could help explain both, as well as the phantom limb phenomenon. Interestingly, as far as I'm aware those with BIID do not experience phantom limb for their target body part, unlike most normal people. Similar for men who lose their penis vs transwomen who have SRS or lose their penis.

They do have different brains, but its not an identifiable pattern that can be treated with chemicals and electroshock therapy. Mental illness shows up in brains, differently every single time and it changes throughout the day and by the minute. It can't be treated with chemicals or electric shock therapy at all

The ammount of ignorance in these threads
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

This tbh

what did he mean by this

Testosterone levels have constantly been dropping for the last 60 years.

Neither of you has had any experience with shrinks, huh?
It's crapitalism, just like anything else. Look at how expensive HRT is.

^dis
Or they're just gays/drag queens being abused and exploited by Big Pharma, and would've been happy enough shaving their legs and throwing on a miniskirt.

If none of this were manufactured you'd see equal portions of FtM along with MtF. But you don't.

Thanks for being an living example, wasn't expecting to find one here actually!
ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Warning.html

Obviously trans people, myself included, will find themselves invested in trans-related politics, but I certainly wouldn't say I focus only on that. I probably wouldn't be on this board if I were.

post butt

trans rights? the same as any other "humans" ?

k

Not fair :(

The bourgeoisie divides the proletariat into gay, straight, white, black etc. in order to make us perceive some conflict between these groups of people when in fact we all have the same interest of overthrowing the bourgeoisie. Think like how loads of people on Holla Forums are working class people, yet they delude themselves into somehow thinking that the Jews, blacks, hispanics, etc. are out to get them. By creating this delusion, the proletarian is no longer a threat to the bourgeoisie and bourgeois society, in fact, because he perceives members of the ruling class of his same "group" (e.g. sexuality, gender, race, nationality) he supports them unconditionally under this guise, when in actual fact his best interest still lays in the abolition of bourgeois society and not in the victory of abstract concepts such as "nation", "race", or "gender".

I got weirdly lucky with genetics, I'm 5'6 which is fairly average among my cis female friends. Not gonna post a face pic but I pass pretty well without any makeup too

Fuck. Time to go kill my hon self now. Please don't rub it in more

do squats and if you're trans try to get on HRT for fat redistribution

(not him, but curious)
do squats do anything to make an ass more feminine in-and-of themselves, or is HRT necessary for that, and squats without HRT just give you a better manly-ass?

Depends on your genes. As I say I have quite feminine genetics so I personally lucked out but I can't say for squats without HRT.

I've only been on it for a month, so what you see isn't the product of fat redistribution at all.

be honest with yourself user, you will never ever look like a tranny pornstar, why would anyone good ever happen, just read Schopenhauer and understand that anxiety is the natural state of man, and that nothing will properly conform it

this doesn't mean you can't crossdress and have fun, but remember, seeking material happiness in a world were happiness is impossible is futile

yeah i could technically do squats, but it won't make them wider. already on hrt long enough to be fucked

In any case don't worry user, I'm sure you're a qt butt too