Reminder that automation + AI is a great thing. There is nothing good about a job. They should all be automated...

Reminder that automation + AI is a great thing. There is nothing good about a job. They should all be automated. The sooner all the jobs start to become automated the more clear and apparent the inherent contradictions within capitalism will be. Capitalism will die in your lifetime and will be replaced by socialist utopia and then afterwards by communism, this is inevitable as Marx has said. Initially there will be pain but eventually it will be subside. Stop being a retarded luddite and let the capitalist techies build communism for us, comrade. Peace!

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except people are proactively brainwashed to be cognitively dissonant and dismissive about these contradictions through mass media

Technology is neutral. What matters is who controls it and to what end. The ruling class control automation to reduce labor power and try to create FALC for themselves alone, letting everyone else starve.

Nobody trusts the corporate media news networks anymore. The internet has changed the game completely. More and more people are getting their info from independent outlets (for better or worse).

Also journalism is already being automated this will help remove the human bias/opinion to ensure more accurate news is being reported.

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Jacobins Four Futures article fam

Prole gonna get exterminated once porky dont need us.

Put tech in our hands and it's good.

The robots are in the hands of the rich, they will be used only to squeeze out and exterminate working people.

I am afraid this is the alternative scenario.

Not true. Price of robots will go down considerably. Just like the majority if not all people own computers and phones today people will own robots as well.

3D technology alone will cause major disruptions in the coming five years, it is great for us because it allows working class people to bypass large corporations altogether.

This is the equivalent of saying the computers are in the hands of the rich 40 years ago.

Robots will be mass produced.

Consumers are what drive the corporations, without us these companies die.

Yeah, and computers have only served to transfer wealth further to people like Zuckerberg and the hyperrich.


I own an inkjet printer, that doesn't make me a commercial publisher. I own a spade, that doesn't make me a groundwork company. Normal people are not going to have industrial factory robots in their homes. 3D printing is inefficient in terms of mass production and individuals can't compete on price with corporations. Plus you need to buy the material from corporations.

Yer I just read it.

Exterminism is a scary possibility. This leads to only one conclusion for me: we have a limited period of time before we can overthrow the capitalist class before they will have both the MEANS and WILL to exterminate us once we are made superfluous.

You make some interesting points. And I agree. But my point is that technology has still had a great liberating effect for us and if we use it right within the right system that it will continue to work wonders for everybody.

Well, of course, technology is good in the abstract.. but we're currently not in the right system and there doesn't seem to be much chance of getting to it.

Reminder that if you can't program, don't understand network architecture, don't understand how to use drones and don't understand how to manipulate social media you cannot have a successful revolution.

If class consciousness ever reaches a critical point there won't be need for any of that. Brute force would be enough to overthrow the ruling class. But this depends on timing, overthrowing the ruling class would be relatively easy today if there was a mass awakening, in 50 years time it could be a whole different story. This is why I'm saying that there is a limited window of opportunity for a real revolution, if the left doesn't wake up soon we may reach a point of no return.

Agree except for the means of getting there, and that means everything. It's simply not going to happen if we leave it to others to do. It's called self-reliance. The Suckerburgs of the world are always looking for new suckers. They will always fool you. I believe in utopias and idealism, but only tangible ones. Ones that don't rely on fossil fuels for Christ's sake.

Freaking no on silicon valley and tech startups. There needs to be a workers & scholars, concerned private citizens', 'AI Manhattan Project' with no state funding and no corporate interest. A humanitarian effort to get out of this quagmire.

We need a big shock to the system. We saw that there was initially a large class awakening during Occupy before it was co-opted by the CIA and porky but it provides us glimpse of what could happen. If the next crisis is say 5-10 times worse that could be the trigger a class consciousness never before seen that won't be as easy as to stop. I think this will occur in our lifetime. Capitalism always leads to crisis and with each crisis the opportunity for class conciousness increases.

BTW guys I recommend you guys watch this year's DAVOS forum which is basically a porky festival. They are really worried.

Hey, remember that time the ruling class killed off an entire generation of workers in a pointless war and then crashed the entire world economy? And how this did not have any results anywhere other than Russia?
People are fucking retarded and willing to take it up the ass to a preposterous extent.

? Wanna go look up some stuff,even on Wikipedia, about socialist movements in Europe post ww1? France got very close, Rosa rose up in Germany Austria had a small but fleeting revolution Russia had theirs, and that's the big ones off the top of my head I'm sure there are other ones.Not to mention,although they aren't in the war, Spain had their civil war where communists and anarchists played a huge role.
I do agree with your sentiment though, that people will go to great lengths to never rise up

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I don't think he means in like 2025 but some far off time like 2050 or something when they could have god know what to use against us

that resentment will be dealt with by ubi because the prole is easily appeased

Technology is a tool, neither good nor evil.
Feudalism would be preferable to a society in which porky lives off automation while everyone else is starved out.
Although one wonders: If all the porkies gave up enforcing their ownership of the robots and held them in common with other porkies, would you have fully automated porky communism? Is webm-related an AI produced documentary from the far future?

AYY LMAO

Daily reminder that serfs spent less time laboring for their lords than the modern middle class do, never mind the precariat.

I thought it was common opinion that feudalism was better in a lot of ways than capitalism.

In the time it takes to develop AI while humans program it and slowly jobs are replaced, what is to stop human coders from fucking shit up?

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Automation without communal democracy will end in disaster or simply won't occur at all

Automation is only as good as its application.

It depends on what you mean by "AI"

Other than that, automation in Capitalism is a bad thing. I mean hypothetically speaking in the grand terms sure, but "accelerating" to that fucking point is going to leave most of us out of the picture to even see it.

And it's not even a done deal, you act like Porky wouldn't just fuck it anyways, make life hell.

I see many ways this can end terribly and few where it ends well.

Wait, is this true?

Some research suggests it is the case, yes. As far as I remember, a lot of it was due to the limitations in production - there was comparatively little to do for peasants between the year's harvest and the next spring, and even if they wanted to, the cold and the lack of sunlight made most work impossible.

You can bet that the proto-porkies in the cities were quite much more busy, though I do wonder how long a craftsman's or a merchant's workday actually was. Can't imagine they pulled the early-industrial 14-hour ones.

Yes, they also got more days off and would end up paying less in taxes than the average american

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In the news regarding the assassination of North Korean relative of Kim Jeong-Eun using the VX gas, there was a mention how the world militaries have enough of chemical weapons to poison the entire world population.
Not only VX gas, but also Sarin, Mustard gas, then chemical factories can put out obscene amounts of phosgene.

So the extermination would not be perfect, but it would be significant enough.

Areas affected with phosgene can be then irradiated using the UV light, only oxygen and ozone absorb the UV light needed to break up the phosgene molecule. Then the chlorine gas and its water solution acting on organic molecules can be neutralized by spraying the area with sodium hydroxide solution.

The absorbtion of oxygen between 200nm and 400nm of ultraviolet is due to Raileigh scattering, the reason why sky is blue. Essentially oxygen molecules are driven oscillators, radiating after being driven by incoming light. Thus light is only scattered, which makes the flow of UV photons in a given volume only slightly disturbed. Not stopped.

My point is, the possibility to exterminate is there and is essentially based on methods developed during the first world war. And such method described in this post makes it possible to recover the damage to environment using fairly simple methods.

They already have the tools at their disposal. But it would be the bootlickers who will do the messy job of extermination.

I hate this meme. Local 3D printer production will never, NEVER obviate scale effects. You are eating out of the silicon valley trashcan.

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it costs them pennies
even if 3d printers built it for dollars, you would free yourself
stop being idiotic

3d printers are just a meme, they're helpful for making small plastic objects maybe they're hardly going to destroy capitalism.

freedom and decentralization have value that your shitty winner-takes-all capitalism can never produce.
the recent hiccups various people experience when the DNS system was DDoS'd or the sourceforge downtime should have taught you that lesson by now but i guess you'll have to wait for an economical and ecological disaster and then you'll pretend you always warned of it.

the ability to print copyrighted v for vendetta masks without child labor alone should be disruptive enough in years to come. i'm sure others can find actually convincing examples.

Is this really a problem? I mean, we're all going to die anyway. The end result will still be FALC.

Us in 2050:
Shit, too bad we're going to be broiled alive before the century is over! It's a real shame that all these robots can only be made and kept running with energy from oil we don't have and can't climatologically afford to burn. Ah fuck! We wasted all the good sources of rare earth elements to make our piece of shit consumer electronics and the rest is uselessly spread out throughout the earth's crust.

Well, we weren't going to need those rare earth elements for hunting and gathering like real humans, were we?

Both/and. I can easily imagine that some parts in finished products could be mass-produced, with spares being produced locally, to order. Machine time may be cheaper than transportation fuel.


As peak EROEI is in the rear-view mirror already, humanity had best be thinking of some decent way to wind down to a half-decent standard of living and demand that.


WELP guess it's time to take up landfill mining.

This is without going into everything else that is so totally fucked up and stupid about the "luxury communism" meme. This is what commodity fetishism does to your brain. Face it, there is no way for the whole global south to live at current first-world standards. The amount of oil and coal required to get them to that point would be astronomical, not to mention all the other finite resources (like REE) it would take. Global is about the only thing that can conceivably save us from global warming, and it will require significant austerity for the currently richest people on earth (that almost certainly includes you).

*global socialism

Yes and no. Average days were 10-12 hours (limited by sun) but nobody actually worked all day. Seen reference in early capitalism saying lunch breaks can "only" be 2 hours for example. Also "saint Monday" where people went to work and drank every Monday in towns.

Certainly nothing like the 12-16 hour factory shifts of the 19th century.

Well, that isn't going to happen any time soon. What's plan B?

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Actually it's the opposite.

It's confirmed that "scarcity" is a relative thing. It will always be there.

Daily reminder that we're on a spaceship and if porky did stop working it would be screwed..

Actually no that's probably proof that they aren't doing enough.

Indeed. Pointless toil is good for the soul.

"Plan B" is a billion or so brown people fleeing from the newly-uninhabitable areas of the Sahel and South Asia tipping the global north into fascism. I imagine by the 22nd century we're on par with the Cretaceous thermal maximum when breadfruit trees grew on the shores of Greenland.

I think you misunderstood, whenever we try to creep towards scarcity - another thing is needed in order to get it. That might be information or services.
Then we start to seek things like "wants" because all of a sudden - we find ourselves with more free time.

Plan A was multiculturalism.
Right now we're competing them against each other. Plan A is losing because niggers are lazy.

Get out.

The really funny thing about technology is that, since the Industrial Revolution, literally no technology has caused a true paradigm shift in how the majority of people live their lives. The entire spectrum of human technology and lifestyles are still reflected across the world. Yes, there are CEOs who manage internet companies and live in luxury. There are also still factory workers. There are also still people living via subsistence farming as their ancestors have for ten-thousand years. There are also still isolated tribes who live via hunting-and-gathering, as their ancestors have for literally a hundred-thousand years. These people were not affected by industrialization or airplanes or the internet, and likely never will be. Microwaves were supposed to change the way everyone cooked food, but I still have a stove and a toaster and an oven in my kitchen. I still drive a car despite the invention of flight. Sometimes I still WALK places! This isn't the world of The Jetsons where technology has paved the world over with moving-sidewalks.

So if the Technological Singularity ever hit, you'd be a fool to believe it would somehow whisk everyone on the planet into a Star Trek utopia where nobody has to work and money is abolished. It will probably be more like that movie Elysium, where SOME people reap the rewards, while most are left behind. I can guarantee you, should human immortality ever be invented, WE won't be the ones allowed to use it.

It's fucking true. It's infuriatingly true.

I hate it. I fucking hate it. But I can't deny it the more I see it.