Why aren't you in Syria right now? What's your excuse?

Nope. Assad is a proper president.

because kurds are the rednecks of the middle-east, when you read about honour killings and massacres at weddings in turkey, it's kurds

kys

we've got a few comrades in the process of going over

bunkerchan battalion coming soon fam

What does that mean?

same thing right

It's a slow difficult process to get smuggled over to an embargoed war zone

Because I'm not some neocon's useful idiot working to undermine anti-imperialist Arab sovereignty

When did they leave? How much do we know about them?

Then go to Syria and fight for Assad.

I'm slightly over weight
I'm a little bitch
I have no money to get there
I have no skills when I get there to be of any use
I'd probably just be laughed at and hold them back :(
If they gave me a gun I'd probably use it to put a bullet in my own head and end it all

I also don't think that they have existing socialism or seem to fight for socialism but are Co Op based

Depression (with associated fatigue issues) and terrible with languages.

Also I'm a coward.

I know those feels comrade

I need to get some useful skills and money first
Where do you think they will be in 3 years?

Don't you need to learn the language to do anything worthwhile there? Otherwise they keep you in reserve just to learn language and ideology indefinitely until you do and no one has time for that shit.

Does the SAA actually do that?

come here bros

I'm fat.
No passport.
Can't afford ticket even if I had one.
I can help them more by staying here and telling people about them.

either embroiled in a guerrilla war or will be granted autonomy by assad

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I don't know, but you'd learn the language much faster if you were there. Fuck knows how long it would take to get good enough if you were doing it out of books.

Guess what's great for burning calories?

My life is too comfortable to do something that ridiculous. If I get laid off and dumped then I'd probably head over.

Also I'm afraid that Turkey is gonna rail them any minute now.

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The eternal course of socialism.

They give Kurdish lessons in boot camp, but that's only for a few months. Foreigners are in their own battalions based on their language, an English speaker wouldn't have an issue. You'd probably pick up Kurdish/Turkish/Arabic in no time while your over there.

Already fluent in Arabic but Kurdish is nowhere near it. I guess if I end up in enough of a "fuck it" mood I'll go but it's not like there isn't prescient political work to be done at home for me.

I wouldn't say eternal, Capitalism gave up on keeping the workers comfortable enough to not start revolting and everything is falling apart now.

Fucking? :^)

If you're fluent in Arabic you'd have absolutely no problem

Most Kurds don't speak it either (it's been oppressed for a long time, so they tend to speak Turkish or Arabic). Plus they're taking over Arab areas now and a big chunk of the SDF is Arab.

Good luck with that plan

Am I the only on here that's actually considering going?

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Same. But even if it was actual socialism, I'm a fucking coward

Oh really? Idk why I heard Kurdish was a make or break thing there. Now I'm actually kind of considering (too bad my dad fell hard for the "Erdogan is strong leader who did nothing wrong" sunni meme and would probably disown me)

I also forgot to add that I'm of 🍀🍀🍀Celtic🍀🍀🍀 origin so will literally need to use sun cream like every hour otherwise I just turn pink. I'm so fucking white it hurts so being in the desert with all that sun is gonna burn the fuck out of me and probably increase my risk of some kind of skin cancer hugely. Do they even have regular access to sun cream?

1. I can't shoot guns
2. I dont believe in the long term viability of a socialist state in a geographic area sandwiched between Iran, Russia, Turkey, SA and America/Israel
3. Im not an anarchist
4. I'm not that suicidal yet
5. I find some joy in life and am only just yet alive
6. My mom won't let me, she would probably kill herself if I went
7. If I went I wouldn't be able to return home without being arrested for "illegally fighting in wars" or "supporting terrorists" (pkk)
8. I want socialism where I live

someone I know has connections with the Bob Crow Tabur. He's going to go over after he's done with his degree. I plan to follow a year or 2 after.

You'll blend in just fine in Syria then

Almost forgot the most important one

Plenty of Sunni Arabs in the SDF too. You've already crossed the biggest hurdle (language) imo.

Yeah I'm not worried because I'm sunni I'm worried specifically because of my family's weird stance

Most people going don't tell their families, or at least don't tell them the full truth. You could say you're going over to help orphan children in Aleppo for a few months or something.

You should reject western notions and follow your own path. There's nothing from the west that can be of help to your country and region.
Reject communism. Follow your own path.

Join the party for life. I'm pretty sure PPG said the last Tabur he was in was made up of future lifelong party members(as opposed to tribal allies) and they were mostly Arab.

Its a tough life without much reward. You'd live communally without much personal property, but they'll take care of you.

I don't believe in the Rojava "revolution": troploin.fr/node/83, leftcom.org/en/articles/2014-10-30/in-rojava-people’s-war-is-not-class-war.

However, I'm keen to see where things go, because the Kurds extract from a much more potent ideological impulse than other demographics in the region like the Palestinians whom are implicitly national liberationists. Also, even if I think Bookchin, while systematic, is an unsalvageable idealist and libertarian municipalism irreparably reformist-utopian ("let's alter the face of our statecraft to be more decentralized and autonomous from the central tenet of our ideology while placing secondary the effecting of change in the productive relations which hey, we abandoned materialism, are not the primary lathe of our consequent reality, which will be democratized, cooperative capitalism or something btw"), they [Kurds and Öcalan] decisively abandoned the completely proven to be and tried dead end for the left that is Marxism-Leninism.

Also, getting out of my armchair would be activism yada yada.

The Crusader blood is strong.

What does my "own path" signify wrt this kind of decision? Is joining the SDF an explicit rejection of real communism or do you see it as a capitulation to western communist ideologies?

Pisspig granddad said that you can't fuck or even whack off there. Not my revolution.

But user, there's a no fug rule in place

Actually there are many ethic groups like that that go very far east. You got the uyghurs who live in china that basically look like slightly gookified europeans.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs

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(and arabs)

Definitely not a crusader thing, plenty of old rich houses in Syria have those same traits and even have habits of intermarriage to preserve them.

That sucks. I'm pale too but I do tan eventually. You might just have to wear a hat and bandanna whenever you go in the sun, and never go without long sleeves.

Are you American? In Britain we let literal ISIS jihadis come home and go back out again.

No I am Dutch. They arrested an ex-military member who went to kurdistan to snipe ISIS.

Karim Franchesci talked about this in the Rolling Stone article. While he was appreciative and impressed with the fellow international volunteers who joined the YPG, he couldn't help feel disappointed when he looked at how many jihadists from all over the world turned out to fight for pure evil in the form of ISIS.

No wonder the MENA is fucked

trust me, I'd find a way to get off

???

Dude the entire MENA region is spooked to hell with "whiter" features. Just having blue eyes in most of those countries will have people all over you.

Actually now that I think about it my government is only pretending to oppose ISIS so it makes sense that they're less than diligent about stopping people going there.

Maybe during the fighting, but you have to be pretty dumb to think no one in Rojava is allowed to smash. How else would you keep a country going?

If you plan on a quick come and go then at least your time seeing war will get you chicks when you get back.

Must be Lynch fans.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period

You think that people just magically turn brown if they convert to islam?

yes lol

No? When did I ever imply that? I just said people in the MENA region covet caucasian features, not that they're completely alien to the region.

What happened next? Do you have a source?

I was talking to all of ya, not just you.

MENA region IS caucasian.

Rules against fraternization are very common in military organizations. The laws are never followed but there you go.

I cant shoot a gun and I look bad in camo.

They tried to persecute him but there wasn't enough evidence so he was found not guilty.

If you speak dutch, have a read. ad.nl/nieuws/jitse-akse-niet-vervolgd-voor-het-doden-van-is-strijders~a37f487e/

Oh well that I don't disagree with, I thought the claim being made was that sex was banned from Rojava in total and that assertion really had me scratching my head.

if there's one thing you can guarantee about humans it's that no matter the rules and the situation they'll find a way to fuck

I know, but I'm speaking colloquially to what is considered "caucasian" in terms of physical traits. Just like most people think of traits that wouldn't be native to India when they say someone looks "aryan".

youtube.com/watch?v=ogW9qynaV5g

i wanna meet up with this comrade

Well I guess I have no real excuse then. Gonna see how the next few months go for me and then make my decision.

But some indians do have caucasian features. The aryans did invade them.

You're perhaps forgetting that everyone on 4chan and Holla Forums is a race scientist who has done multiple fellowships in phrenology and physiognomy

I agree with you. I'm just making a point about semantics when it comes to racial categorization and the fact that race is a spook anyway

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powerful shit. I'm not an anarchist but that's the kind of guy i'd be proud to fight with

do they really welcome outsiders?

kinda feel like I'd just be out of place and they'd eye me with suspicion constantly

Well, I guess the lesson for Dutch comrades is not to talk about killing. Maybe it was a good thing he got in trouble, because it exposed how perverse the law was. Nobody in their right mind would think he deserved to be punished.

It's 'prosecute' btw, although you could call what they did persecution.

No race is not a spook. Pic related are the races that exist.
Saying things like white race or saying that jews are a race, that's is the spook.

Because I have a broken brain. You fix my suicidal depression and I'll be in the next plane to Erbil.

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Can't you see a psychiatrist? or are you a burger without health insurance

if anyone is considering joining the YPG DON'T fly to Erbil btw. Sulaymaniyah is the way to go.

People with nothing to lose sound ideal tbh.

What's the deal with Erbil?

I'm not tbh; just a (Marxist) communist.

I just started using the flag a while ago because any post with it instantly triggers the most venomously facetious accusations of armchair criticism, dogmatism, "sectarian" or even anti-communist and reactionary for suggesting that maybe anti-fascism is to be mapped as more than just its own vigilant opposition to fascism, but a mostly interpellated function of the dominant (left-)liberal ideology and that it doesn't really constitute a real opposition to a real fascism and is poor, counter-productive praxis in the long and short term.

This is the function the flag has for most: being critical while much more easily baiting out pure ideology in the process; there is no such thing as a left of communis anymore, and ultraleftism's main currents resemble none of the practical ideas present in the Comintern's communist left at all.

Also sick reply tbh really made me think.

Really?

But I'd burn in the desert sun.

How deep in it do you have to be to think a map that places east asia and all of the americas into one racial category is uesful in ?

Iraqi Kurdistan is split between two parties, KDP and PUK. KDP are Turkey cucks and Erbil is in their territory, and they've been known to give western YPG volunteers trouble. PUK are well meanining socdems who are on good terms with the YPG and are happy to facilitate foreigners joining.

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Southern Europe confirmed non-white.

lel do you even know what that word means?
wew lad.

Fuck why does it have to be the less pronounceable one though?

Except that they actually take ideology seriously over there and no smash means no smash.

Is it true that YPG fighters aren't allowed to jack off?

It's absolutely true. Arab girls go fucking nuts for colored eyes. And the coastal regions aren't even that bad heat-wise.

Which themselves sprang from people being really angry at one another obviously, also nature and rising temperatures and stuff which totes aren't the product of human social relations and stages of productive capacity. Also Marxism needs an update(tm) and I really involve myself in the absolutely not-a-caricature of it [Marxism] that ignored the superstructural dimension of natural discourse (marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1883/don/ch01.htm) something something fecund coherent ebin meme anime pictures here's a PDF file that I'll let do the talking thanks.

conniptions.gives

fapping kills your stamina bruh.

Love this board.

no fapping when you're on duty because you'll be in close quarters with YPJ qts all the time and you don't want to spook them out

Now you've done it.

but what if the sweet carnal pleasure of taking a mans life gets me off and I cum my pants gunning down ISIS. is that allowed?

I have been seeing one for over a decade. I've been through a million meds, and they just barely take the edge off. I've been meaning to try more radical stuff i.e. illegal drugs, but I need to sort my shit out before I can get started.

You would think so, but it doesn't work like that. Pic related.

How do I even get over there? I've never left Australia in my life. I'm not even a legal adult
but I am legal ;^)

I don't get it.

There's probably a medal for that actually.

lol that fucking rules dude. A communist nofap army

You hand a surefire way for killing oneself to someone with suicidal ideas, and he probably won't wait much before acting on it.

Confirmed for ass pained. Production is part of it but not the entirety. The most successful hunters used their knowledge to attract younger males to follow them, and combined with the support of religious figures like sages they further consolidated their power. Mind you, the main reason that males wanted to be better hunters was not a shortage of food, but to have a better chance of attracting a female. To reduce all of this to
is to be, well, reductionist.
Just because you like them so much, have another bookchin anime pic and a link to the ecology of freedom, where you can actually learn the theory of bookchin instead of just pretending to know it and failing horribly.

libcom.org/files/Murray_Bookchin_The_Ecology_of_Freedom_1982.pdf
woops, forgot the link

Oh, OK. Duh.

well, there's only one pipe that's supposed to be shooting stuff in a warzone, and it ain't yo dick.

thanks for summing up leftypol

Penalty for honor killings in rojava is death.

duh, ima communist

I believe training is only 2-4 weeks.

Idealism and demagoguery that passes itself for highly intelligible and comprehensive theory is indeed doing me a triggering.

Production is the cumulative result of all social relations; the enduring maxim that effectuates the material conditions it is produced from. Impulses; the things that historically led to the formation of hierarchy and dominating relations are but pressed or even necessitated by the discourse between historically-defined productive stages and the materially-defined dominant ideologies they inform. Hierarchy and domination as examples of natural consequences is to reduce to the particular the category of nature; as if the human position within nature is immanent and irrespective of a stage in human development.

Where did they come from; why did they start hunting; why did they ever achieve a societal stage in which these roles in the collecting-productive field produced ideologically-driven and birthed figures like the sage; where did the imperative of power even find its necessity?

Woah, we're in class society because humans can't tell that they have biologically-determined impulses.

What is reductionist is caricaturing dialectical materialism (or failing to read or interpret him entirely consciously; not sure which tbh) while imposing upon it an idealist-not-idealist framework of reference that supposedly defies the categories one fails to properly deduce in the subject of critique.

That's all there was, really.

Ah, of course, where would we be without the authentically customary PDF (or link, in this case) namedrop? But there is more! *sniff*

I've seen enough of the middle east for a fucking lifetime. ain't goin back.

I'm making dinner rn

Maybe I can finally lose my virginity

It's not your mind that is sick, comrade, it's the world you live in. If you went to Rojava, you would be surrounded by people who cared about you while had a clear goal that you knew was improving the world. Once you arrived probably the last thing on your mind would be suicide.

Rojava doesn't have the death penalty. But they do take honor killings very seriously.

t. Turk

Pretty sure they execute a lot of captured Isis fighters.

kurds are mountain turk. armenians are retarded turk

Kurds are Persian,

persians are carpet turk. americans are burger turk.

The PKK is considered a terrorist group so I don't think my country's government would be happy about that.

I don't know of any actual evidence of that, but if they did it definitely isn't official policy.

I'm a 19 year old kid who's papi said no.

Being at the front is presumably highly stressful. I don't know how user's condition is affected by stress but it could potentially be very bad for him.

If you're papi, can't you do what you want? :^)

Australia would arrest me

Can't legally leave my country

Wipe the drool off of your face, and fuck off retard.

Take this (You) and go away.

you're not a commie lmao
tankies pls

t. urk roach

i actually started laughing

I am in bad shape and don't learn new languages well

Because I don't feel like leaving America to fight an American-run Jihadist organization as part of yet another national liberation movement when we all know the Middle East is not going to be the birthplace of socialism.

This would be a good point if Rojava was the first ever socialist state

id rather be in international freedom battalion

i can't find a website that lists programmer jobs in syria and after playing lots of multiplayer shooters i don't feel like getting killed by a random bullet so no fighting for me.
if anything i'd go on a killing spree to take out the politicians who are bombing syria.

tl;dr i don't have one

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I've got a heart condition and require daily medication.

he's right though, not everyone can abandon their home life to go die in the middle east

I would really like to join bob crow tabur when I finish studying, could you help me get in touch with them?

Domination: an institutionalized relationship that requires a mental subjectivity between two subjects who know what "domination" means before domination can emerge.

In this sense of the word, the sense that bookchin meant it in, humans are indeed unique in this. Only humans require the mental facilities necessary to "dominate". Now that we've defined domination, lets define hierarchy

By your logic, primitive communism should be without domination or hierarchy, and the fact of the matter is it wasn't.

This is Ocalan's interpretation of events. Bookchin's is perhaps more nuanced:

It wasn't necessary, it was merely desirable to be in a better social position. There was no materialist basis for it, purely social. Sages came about obviously from a purely spiritual place, and the desire for early man to understand natural phenomena through this lens of "spirituality".

Indeed it is. Material played no part in the emergence of hierarchy, it was merely the desire for social prestige that lead to it. It was not by a lack of resources or other change in productive forces.

This.
Everyone has a boner for being "the next Marx." It started with the Frankfurt School, and we've been in an arms race ever since over who can create the most offensively heterodox nonsense while still being taken seriously. It's fucking asinine, is what it is.

You're doing good work, reftocom-san

Don't bother arguing with this guy. He's knee deep in bullshit and has no plan to stop anytime soon.

And? How does the fact we can discern between domination and freedom counter anything leftcom poster said? It's just inane. Also, who's to say that humans are the only animals self aware enough to find a noticeable difference between the former and latter? Bookchin? Hardly a zoologist by sophist friend. Do you have anymore truisms to post in this thread (like last time), or are you going to offer something of substance for once instead of posting le epic bookchin memes and further contribute to the slew of shallow discourse that leftypol is becoming.

No, by his logic "domination" would've sprung out from the primitiveness of production relations. Once again, you reduce the superstructure down to the base (as if the two don't mutually reinforce each other).

It wasn't necessary just like it isn't necessary for Capitalism to persist. In fact, it is quite irrational. Jesus christ my man, are you incapable of absorbing critique? Can you seriously see no material benefit within the larger totality in social prestige beyond your crude view of production?

CITATION NEEDED

Also, I'm glad you concede that you are being idealistic:
Yeah, and isn't Capitalism human nature?

Merely defining terms so as to better understand one another. Can you name any other creature that can even create institutions? You're just being intellectually dishonest yet again.

And yet as discussed it didn't spring up from production relations. There was no change in the productive relations that lead to it, as much as you might like to autistcally scream otherwise.

It wasn't necessary for Capitalism to come about in the first place, but I digress. Except there wasn't any material benefit. The production and resource distribution of the society remained the same.

libcom.org/files/Murray_Bookchin_The_Ecology_of_Freedom_1982.pdf

Merely saying that ideas are part of social relations doesn't mean I'm an idealist and ignoring the materialist aspect. I just don't consider the material aspect to be the driving force in itself, nor do I consider ideas to be the driving force in itself.

Okay how the fuck is it that african americans have higher lactose intolerance than their distant cousins over in east africa

why would i be in syria user?

It depends what you mean by an "institution". But there have been plenty of animals that have shown self awareness particularly apes. In that same vein, plenty of animals have their own ways of organizing. I see no reason while a distinction between "domination" and "freedom" could not be picked out by a self aware creature within their own social structure. Can you name any other animals who can engage in philosophy, agriculture, etc? No. The fact that domination as a concept can be enunciated by humans is a meaningless truism and avoids looking at how it could potentially take form as a social relation linked to production in other organisms that show a degree of self awareness.

There doesn't need to be a "change" that might lead to it. Again, you reduce the superstructure down to the base. A tendency can arise that isn't explicitly linked to production relationships. Take for example Sumerian Priest. The point I'm making is that your autism has placed you in some sort of myopia where you think Marxist are completely unable to analyze superstructural elements in terms of relationships of production, or that they always have to be linked to an immediate revolution in production (as if vestiges of past relationships and the impetus for new ones can't spring up slowly).

No, you are an idealist because you think these social relationships spring up "just cuz". No matter how much you (or Bookchin for that matter) whine and scream, you can't fight the fact that Marx is right about material relationships being the driving force behind all life and thus society itself. But if you really want to prove Marx wrong, I recommend you strip off all your clothes and stop eating or drinking. Try and live like that for a year and see how well you thrive off immaterial "social relations".

All I'm saying is Bookchin is the worst Post-Marxist and you should feel bad for pushing his meme-philosophy on lefypol along with two sentence "rebuttals" and anime pictures of Bookchin. I'm not going to read an entire book by Bookchin before I continue debating you. Mostly because I have other things to do, like working on composing or finishing Capital. However unlike you, I make an attempt to argue my points without relying on greater men to do the arguing for me which is why you have probably noticed that I avoid linking Capital to you every single time you say something stupid. Instead I quote Marx in context to support my interpretation of him. You do that in , and I would recommend you keep it up because it really is quite irritating. So when I say, "citation needed" because you are making untenable claims that isn't a signal for you to post a 400 page libcom pdf. It's a signal for you to quote Bookchin or other relevant peoples in context.

Why arent you?

I don't think I'd be wanted there. I don't feel comfortable with Kurdish culture (very prude and conservative) and I don't think Rojava will have a future.

What's the fucking point

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hahaha

Not the self-awareness that humans posses, and certainly no social order exists outside of what is genetically programed into them. The same cannot be said about humans. Domination is not at all a "meaningless truism" when observed as a function of social relations and the changing of social relations resulting from said domination and hierarchy.

Way to ignore the rest of what I said. The social changes took place irregardless of production, not as a consequence of it, and to say that this does not conflict with the Marxist idea of production being the base of social relations is being patently dishonest. There was no material basis for the change in social relationships at that time, purely social as I stipulated earlier. To put it in other terms, the base had nothing to do with the emergence of hierarchy.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that social relationships just spring up out of nowhere. To quote bookchin:
This is in regard to the "primitive communist" societies specifically. Keep screeching autistically if you must.

Furthermore, if you're going to ask for citation I'm going to give it to you. Don't expect to be spoon fed when you've already made up your mind about that man without even reading what he has to say, and simply drawing conclusions from what you think he says instead of what he actually says. It's like if you were to waste your time spoon feeding a propetarian on why socialism doesn't mean "gubmint doin stufs". That's the same level of intellectual discourse when talking with you about bookchin, so why should I waste my time taking you seriously? Have disaproving/lecturing bookchin pic

that's why I wanna go. To die. I can't bring myself to kill myself but this hollow of a wretched existence is unbearable

It's 9/11

Nah man, 9/11 was a little too post-structuralist for my tastes.

but I have plan to get there. And yes, getting caught is part of it

What's the next step in your master plan?

By whom, jackbooted KRG thugs or Daesh goatfuckers?

crashing the ISIS with no survivors

reminder

The Rojava Revolution needs ultimately to be international in scope and program or it will be eaten away by international capital. It's not an issue that gets near the attention it demands, on here or in general.

That being said the very best way to influence its course is often to participate. It's not inherently diversionary or petty-bourgeois in character like, say, DSA or SAlt.

Not sure why I should defend people who rape little boys as a tradition that would also gladly kill me for their religion because wrong genetics. :^)

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Still have A-levels to finish. If I don't get into uni I will probably go tbh

Retard ban when?

I assumed the kurds and rojava would be okay with LGBT people joining the YPG. At least I hope so since I'm bi

He's a retard who doesn't know what the ypg is

Yeah the Kurds probably would be fine.
Hard to tell with the others though.

You could just voluntarily leave, we don't need to ban you.

I thought this was primarily an Afghani/Pakistani practice? you're welcome to source any inflammatory claims you make fam.

Fuck you're a sassy one. Did you pick that up from the ban appeals page of whatever autism pit burdened us with you?

It is. He's just an idiot.

1. Multiple Endocrine Neoplasia means that I have to take pills and get blood drawn all the time to make sure nutrient levels are all good.

2. I'm transgender MtF, which means I have to take estrogen/anti-androgen pills and get blood drawn all the time to make sure hormone levels are good. Also, I'm getting SRS in like 2 months and will have to spend the next year or so close to home while I recover/get checked on by doctors.

TL;DR, I'm medically needy to the point that I'm pretty sure I'd just be a burden on them. I'd love to help them out, but any help I can provide has to be from a distance unfortunately.

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in all seriousness, sounds like a royal pain in the ass. stay strong.

Honestly I don't believe in socialism enough that I'd be willing to die for it's propogation

The statement was about Islam and the present day cases being more Afghanistan Pakistan Yemen and justification of it based on the fact that there are non Kurdish people that would be fighting too that you would be living directly with.
I said I think the Kurds would be fine above if that wasn't clear already.
But it's probably overstating the problem given that the Islamists they are dealing with are a far greater threat than something that their holy book tells them to kill people over.

Thanks, comrade. I'm a going to university for a degree in communications right now, so hopefully when I finish I'll be able to fight for socialism with my words and won't just be so useless.

in for Syria like what? support it's state or what?

To protect the secular state and stop religion from stomping on women's rights.

Do #squad shit wit them YPG niggas

Cuz I'm a first worldist scumbag, obviously like 99% of the people on this board. No revolutionary potential here

That's not at all what he was saying.

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We're already winning :-)

Because i'm a pussy.

mmm can i have fuksss

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1: Im afraid of getting killed by a Turkish Airstrike, before i even finish my training.

2: Im afraid of the possibility of a full scale Turkish invasion, and that the Turks capture me while im wearing a YPG uniform with a Apo patch on it.

3: Turkish drone strikes.

4: My goverment arresting me for being involved with the PKK, when back in my own country.

5: Havent finished college yet.

6: Turks again.

7: Im also a pussy.

I would, but I smoke too much weed.

trudat

Why? bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/11/the-baboon-troop-that-mellowed-out-after-the-alpha-males-died-the-sapolsky-and-share-study.html Here's an example of how domination can change the social relationships under baboon society. Can you give me a good reason (hint: not an opinion) why the way alpha males changed social dynamics can not be described as domination?

No, it's only dishonest for you because you are arguing against a caricature of it set up by ML's and orthodox Marxism. You are saying the "social change took place regardless of production". I never contended that, I'm asking if you are smart enough to pick out how domination can have material benefit within a certain set of productive relations. I can and will if you would like me to. I haven't because your "argument" consist of assertions. You have not provided any reason for me to believe that domination arose regardless of material conditions. I can't argue against an empty shell. I can only point out its emptiness.

How about I quote you:
And you seriously want to sling shit about being dishonest? You contradict yourself left and right.

Kek, no one cares about your meme philosophy and I'm not screeching autistically. I'm laughing at the fact you are completely illiterate in regards to Marxism and can only repeat Bookchin's interpretation of Marx over and over again. But keep flailing and providing non-arguments. I'm sure if you shitpost enough people might take you seriously. After all, it worked for Rebel. You know damm well that I have quoted Engel's explicitly denouncing the interpretation of diamat you are pushing as a strawman. Do you want to quote him again? Your reading comprehension is so bad it's actually shocking. If you have read Bookchin you sure do a shitty job at advocating for his theory. I'm sure Bookchin pulls off the mental gymnastics needed to reconcile materialism and idealism in petty bourgeoisie "socialist" theory beautifully. You however, perform them clumsily and fall on your face every time as evidenced by the way you contradict yourself in your own post while attempting to justify it with (another) meaningless truism from saint Bookchin.

Actually, I'm basing my interpreation of Bookchin on what I have read. A couple of his critiques of Marxism. One part I remember is his mentioning rich Plebians as a refutation of Marx. This showed a baffling misinterpretation of Marx, more in line with the orthodox Marxist he was critiquing. Marx was not dealing with individuals. They do not exist in a vacuum. The reason he treats the substance of exchange value in terms of socially necessary labour time and not "necessary labour time" is because Marx was dealing with the totality. How a class of people generally function on a societal level. The fact that he thinks pointing out exceptions to what is generally a rule refutes Marx reeks of the same sophistry that Marx's bourgeoisie critics used. He's unable to wrap his mind around the concept of analyzing the base in terms of what is generally true before moving onto exceptions. As a result like leftcom user said, Bookchin imposes a " idealist-not-idealist framework of reference that supposedly defies the categories one fails to properly deduce in the subject of critique."

No I mean this is really rich. What would I have to show you to prove to you Bookchins interpreation of Marx is flawed. Is there anything I could show you? As far as I can see, no. You are more interested in propagandizing as evidenced by the way you dismiss anything that conflicts with your worldview. How hilarious you STILL have failed to provide a citation for your baffling claim that domination offered no material benefit within "primitive communism".

But I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears. Like I said, you are so knee deep in your bullshit that you wouldn't get out for a million dollars. Why don't you read Marx and stop shitting up the board for say, a week before you try to engage me again?

isn't that haram

You'd be surprised how many things are more debateable in Islam than orthodox types would like people to believe.

The only absolute agreement is that you shouldn't pray while intoxicated for obvious reason

So what is it that they actually teach you in that program that could help? That joining your local 4H club wouldn't do?
Not shitting on you. Actually curious.

We spend a lot of time focusing on how to write effectively, and how to communicate something to the public. We also talk about various issues affecting journalism, and how to produce different multimedia content/what those kinds of content are good for.

What would joining my local 4H club teach me?

Meant to reply to

i would if i could, but have too many health problems

I'd die.

They won't take in suicidal people.

Webm related.
But, if you're not actively doing anything, you might as well leave.
You're probably not going to die.
probably.

probably.
What is the approximate mortality rate?

~5%
since you'd be going on an escapist soldier fantasy, you'd probably go to the frontlines instead of policing cities and maintaining checkpoints, so mortality increases to 10-15%, and gets higher the longer you stay.

How did you arrive at that estimate?

Wikipedia.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War
yeah, they might be under-reporting their casualties, and over-estimating their forces, and different people are cycling through, but that's just an estimate.

Were you going off the general YPG strength/casualty ratio? I wonder if the death rate for foreign volunteers is different.

I looked at this site
ypg-international.org/our-martyrs/
which lists 17 dead foreigners, and I had heard that there had been up to 1000 foreigners who had served at some point. That's a much lower mortality rate, maybe lower than 2%. Still nothing to be taken lightly, of course.

Been a few more since that, and the number will rise a lot higher when they hit Raqqa I'd imagine.

That's actually useful if applied correctly.
The 4H club will just teach you public speaking. Thanks for the info, comrade

You missed his point entirely. Material wealth did not make the plebian any less of a plebian. It did put them in the same social position of an aristocrat. Material wealth was inconsequential in the greater scheme of the social relationship. He was not making the point that because there were wealthy plebs they weren't "really plebs", his point was the opposite, that there status as plebs was the of plebs despite their material wealth or perhaps put in other terms their relationship to production.

By actually reading him and not coming up with incredibly inaccurate assessments of what he says like you just did, or by not ignoring that I did indeed post citation. But you refuse to read it because you would rather believe in a self made caricature of what bookchin believed then actually learn what he believed.

>Why? bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/11/the-baboon-troop-that-mellowed-out-after-the-alpha-males-died-the-sapolsky-and-share-study.html Here's an example of how domination can change the social relationships under baboon society. Can you give me a good reason (hint: not an opinion) why the way alpha males changed social dynamics can not be described as domination?
Ultimately irrelevant when addressing domination as it occurs in human social relationships. To compare the cognitive capacities of humans to baboons is laughable and useless.

Never disputed that domination can have material benefit, only that domination as it occurred in human society originally had none. I'm not going to spoonfeed you 400 pages of anthropology and history.

I'm not being dishonest at all. It's all in The Ecology of Freedom. To say that social relationships sprung up not from material basis is not to say that social relationships did not spring up from nowhere. The need for association, interdependence and care is not purely a material need. Indeed, in complete abundance with no need for cooperation to garner resources people would still need this association with other people.

Oh but I beg to differ. I think the real reason why you insist on continually arguing with me is the fact that bookchin's ideas are gaining greater and greater prominence on this board, otherwise you wouldn't even bother to hound me with your autism like you have over the past month or so. You contradict yourself by insisting I'm making a strawman of DiaMat but at the same time constantly screeching autistically that I'm wrong regarding primitive man.

*is not to say that social relationships sprung up from nowhere

To further build on this point, you can't say that relationship to the means of production is the basis of social relationships and then not recognize that the basis had no effect on the superstructure of the greater social situation in regards to "wealthy plebs". If you're going to pretend diamat is a science then you must subject it to the same standards of science, and something that defies the theory like this cannot merely be shouldered off as an "exception".

The fire rises, my dude

Are you who I think you are? a certain Tumblr personality

I will concede I was being obtuse on this point. I apologize. I was trying to link that to what I'll get to next:

Why? Can you cite something that supports what you say? You mentioned attracting a mate. Well one, there is an obvious biological drive to attract a mate. Besides that, having children to take care of you is beneficial, so this could serve as an impetus for domination. So could the reduction of the workload that comes with social prestige or a family.

Actually, I never said that you made a strawman out of Marx. I said Bookchin did. Bookchin's critiques are valid when aimed at orthodox Marxist and Leninist. Really, his ideas about domination aren't in conflict with anything in diamat.

Marx's basic point can be summed up here from Capital Volume 1:

Engels here:

And Marx here:

What Marx is trying to say is that the base shapes the general form the superstructure takes, because there can be no superstructure without a base and ultimately if aspects of the superstructure interfere with the real reproduction of everyday life either the society will perish, or that aspect of the superstructure will. This is not to say that social relationships can not arise on their own accord, but ultimately they must conform in some way to the base and that they can be understood in terms of the base as well as in terms of the superstructure. They mutually influence each other with the base being the dominate force.

Before I continue debating you, I'd like to clarify:
- Do you agree my interpretation is supported by what I've quoted Marx and Engels saying.
- What specifically do you object to? What part is in conflict with Bookchin's ideas about domination.

That's not what I meant at all. To give another example, there were (albeit very few) black slave owners in the United States. Now generally, did African Americans occupy a distinct social class in the United States? I would say so. They were very much at the whim of capital. Nor do I want to dismiss the wealthy plebs as an exception and leave it at that. But, to ask why were they an exception? Was it through social reforms that allowed them to amass wealth? How did this affect the underlying base, and what changes within the superstructure or base were necessitated by the existence of wealthy plebs or black slave owners? In the case of the latter, the effect was quite negligible.

To expand on this, the superstructure can influence the base and change its form (going back to African Americans, they don't occupy the same class today that they did in the 20th century). But the general form of the base shapes the larger social relationships. Like the existence of wage labourers and capitalist. Or the division of labour for generalized commodity production. All these need to be present before "capital" can even function. And these necessitate a certain structure of production but that says nothing about who's in what, or why and how they are viewed by the larger society. Just that they must exist in some form.

does Assad or SSNP take in foreign volunteers?

too dum to follow this 🔩 discussion, just want to say wow. what makes you people like this?

Primitive societies did not have a system of child rearing where a single individual "owned" the child. According to Ocalan, fathers had no rights over the child at all and children where closer to their mother's brother (uncle) then their father. My source is pic related.

Sure. I won't dispute that
The thing I object to is that ultimately economy is decided to be the decisive factor in regards to social relations. Engels says as much in the letter that you're quoting from. Marx and Engels do nothing to address how domination and hierarchy ultimately decide where society goes within the boundary of practicability. We can say material needs are the basis of everything, and that material needs form the superstructure, but this still does not answer where within the boundary of these two things society will fall. Domination and hierarchy are variables unaccounted for in regards to this. Base and superstructure merely provide probabilities, a frame within things must fall, but not where they will fall. DiaNat arguably has more predictive power because of this, correctly predicting the consistent use of popular assemblies in movements of resistance, whether they be petty activism like the anti-globalist movement or democratic councils in syria (and I'm not talking about just rojava). DiaMat is not necessarily in conflict with Bookchin, and it's my fault for portraying as much, but DiaMat is insubstantial/incomplete and is improved by Bookchin's inclusion of domination and hiearchy.

We both suffer from severe autism

assad surely takes in foreigners and i bet hezbollah does too.
sadly though i believe the N in SSNP might be excellent if you want to join them.

and by excellent i mean problem‬atic.

Assad does, idk about the SSNP though. Some guys from the Greek Asserite group "Black Lily" fought alongside Assad's forces and Hezbollah in the Battle of al-Qusayr in 2013.

not sure
but there are greek nazis fighting on his side as well

I am heading to Syria right now!

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pics or it didn't happen

I'm a total coward who'd be 100% non-functional is a combat situation. I also don't think potentially dying to serve an incredibly weak regime which can in no way lead to any structural changes to the world is kind of pointless for anyone.

At least Stalin had the decency to talk about global revolution. "Communalism" is basically… Khrushchevism.

Are they really though? Threads are hardly overrun with Communalist points of view. Not everyone who uses a Bookchin reaction image agrees with his ideas.

Well, I still stand by reduction of workload and real biological impulses. I don't really need to prove that it was necessitated by the mode of production, just that it did not conflict with the base.

I agree with most of this. Marx's work was incomplete and it's the job of Marxist to expand on it.

This.

Though I wouldn't say Marx ignored hierarchy just that it wasn't a focal part of his later works where he uses less Hegellian jargon like Capital. An example off the top of my head would be the legalized community of woman, he viewed woman as being both socially and materially subordinate to their male counterparts.

How would they even know what your sexuality is? Not like you walk around screaming how much you like boning guys, right?

Soon

At what point does the building on Marx cease to be marxism and take on it's own dimensions? People like Adorno did a lot to improve on Marxism, on Bookchin is influenced heavily by people like him, but Bookchin also takes much from the Anarchist tradition. It's the combination of these two schools, the schools of Marxism and Anarchism, as well as Bookchin's own additions to them that makes Communalism a distinct school separate (albeit heavily influenced) from both.

I don't think there's a clear dichotomy. Just like there are "Marxian economist" you can use a Marxian mode of analysis without subscribing to any particular school of Marxism, or identifying strongly with Marx. I've seen Bookchin grouped into the Post-Marxist tradition, people influenced by Marx who broke away from orthodox Marxism.

…say it how its spelled

i'm too much of a puss and would just be a liability tbh

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I got rejected by the International Freedom Brigade

because Syria is STATE CAPITALISM

No Nazbols allowed.

The guy responded this:

-Asperger's Syndrome
-Slight anger issues (I put battery acid on to a friend. I tried to strangle them on a different occasion. And I scream after losing a video game.)"

->All roles are combat roles, all personnel are ready to defend Rojava, whether they are based in an office or at the front. so we cannot make that distinction.

Plus I lnow that they didn't just copy paste since I metion depression and addictive personality

fucking nazbol confirmed for asspie

You can't make this shit up, folks

Forgot to turn off shitpost flag

I'm a lover not a fighter…

how dare you make me feel bad for a nazbol

FUCK
How do I figure out what their position on poeple who just have assburgers is?

Message them over facebook that's what I did
facebook.com/internationalfreedom/

Post what they said on leftypol as well

K, thanks comrade.

Top-tier kek
Nazbols BTFO

I'd like to. Can someone dump information on how to get started?

1. I'm broke and it'd be a pain in the ass to go there broke
2. Why the fuck would I got to a war zone that isn't my own homeland. Maybe when SHTF here I'll go to a war zone, not someone elses patch. They need to do that themselves.

Because I feel that reviving class consciousness in the hub of global capitalism is a more productive use of my time. Plus it's less dangerous.

ypginternational.blackblogs.org/contact-to-us/

Also fuck syrians.

You smell funny.
Stupid fucking syrians.

Syrians are based allies.
You're mum smells funny.
youtube.com/watch?v=14Qc8TMlJ44

Goddamn. He was asking about the significance of his Asperger's/anger issues in the other Rojava thread, I didn't think he was actually going to put them in his application.

Lmaoooo ikr

What did you do, send them your application on facebook? Because IFB is separate from YPG as far as recruitment goes as far as I know

You can get coloured eyes all the way from India, to Ethiopia, to morocco.
It's more common than you think.

Pale eyes are a real rarity in those places though, that's why they're prized.

It doesn't really matter.
Give it 3 generations everybody will have brighter eyes due to modification.

Which should people apply to, IFB or YPG?

IFB: exclusively for leftists (of all different persuasions). Compromised solely of internationalist volunteers from Turkey, Greece, France, Spain etc.

YPG: compromised mostly of Kurds obviously. The main fighting force in Rojava. There's plenty of leftists in the YPG too, and there's leftist and foreign taburs (units) like the Antifa Tabur who are not part of IFB. Also attracts non ideological volunteers and ex military people.

My advice would be to join the YPG and investigate the possibility of joining IFB later on. PissPig for example, joined the YPG and fought for them for a few months but it seems he's now joined BOG, which is a ML group which is part of IFB.

good luck. I'm in uni too and I feel pretty useless here.

I hate israel. Israel is supporting ISIS

You send them a message over facebook asking if its the offical page then you can talk to them through temp pm

Link to temp pm: temp.pm
Link to page: m.facebook.com/internationalfreedom/

Nice dubs as well

Also comrades honest question, if I got rejected by the IFB would the YPG reject me?
Also if I was too unstable is there any civilian roles in rojava I could fill?

From : 'All roles are combat roles, all personnel are ready to defend Rojava, whether they are based in an office or at the front. so we cannot make that distinction'

If I have legs and arms, can i still be on the frontline????????????/

This is fucking hilarious.

O infidel western dogs, don't come in our lands or you will be killed by the will of Allah.

the will of allah got barrel bombed to fuck in aleppo fam

We are coming for manbij, o crusader dogs

FSA's game is up you Sunni dog.

kek mushrik

turkey took al bab, qabasin and baaza

now we are coming for ypg communists

wolves are thirsty for blood

yh but it took you 3 months of getting your ass kicked again and again to take al-Bab so I really don't think you're gonna do too well in Manbij.

We will see…

looks good for turkey, rafidi

You mean the slav slave blood

Turk nationalists btfo.

most soldiers were fsa on the ground

kek, no the sdf said they will relocate their soldiers in manbij if turkey attacks

I take it that the Lions used to be another option but are now kaput?

LIons was solely for exmil guys I think. Most exmil guys opted for Peshmerga though since they're a more conventional army rather than a milita.

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How do you get back? Do the authorities in Sulaymaniyah penalise or detain you for overstaying your visa?

Never heard of anyone being penalised at Sulaymaniyah. YPG will pay for your flight back if you stay for the minimum 6 months. If you leave before that you have to pay your own way back (don't go if you can't hack 6 months tbh)

mental health issues
too comfy here in the us of a
my dog is here
drugs are here
family too
i need to keep my job

South Americans BTFO

Nazbols blow the fuck out

Does the IBF accept MGTOW?

not enough money to buy the ticket to Iraq it's around 450€ - 500€
Honestly I'm scared to die, but I have nothing to live, for fighting and getting killed there, could be the only good, I will ever do in my existence.

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This is one of those things I daydream about, something I would set up if I was in charge of a socialist society. Some sort of corps to attract young people from all over the world seeking for a clear and direct way to help the cause.

I'll stay here and create writings/artwork that will inspire the people to join the revolution and lift the spirits of our comrades.

Plus I'd be pretty shit at being a soldier tbh. Though I am looking into buying a gun if shit hits the fan here in burgerland tbh.

I hate dumb exoteric religious people, I hate cultures that don't allow you to dance with their women in public and I hate cultures that are too stupid to leave the Desert

>Be 18 and out of high school. will be 19 soon
>Even without any of the factors mentioned, my family wouldn't allow me to just go outside at night, let alone go to another country for an indeterminate period of time, let alone doing that so that I could fight in a revolutionary army that's most likely going to be labeled as a terrorist group within the next few years

I'm neither a monarchist nor a deranged fundamentalist/theocrat. What the fuck would I be fighting for in Syria.

Tbh, when the war is over I wouldn't be opposed going over and doing humanitarian work to rebuild and shit. I just know I would be a shit fighter and I want to get me degree first anyhows.

there are already many areas under peaceful government or kurdish control and i don't see the merc armies make great advancements while trump is alive.
even after trump assassination the popular support assad's government has globally would probably make further CIA intervention quite difficult.

on the downside, legitimate calls for reforms will for the foreseeable future be impossible in assad-held syria, and the CIA is trying to abuse kurds for their fight as well so there is going to be some reddit-like drama. thanks, obama.

and let's not forget putin struck a deal with qatar so qatar now profits from russian gas exports.
the war could be pretty much over, but isis and other western troops still hold many oil wells in syria. i wonder though how they can still sell that?

Don't worry about the kurdish or the firearms. They'll teach you that once you get there. Exercise should be your first priority. In regards to leaving, save up money for a passport and ticket over there. As long as you stay the minimum of 6 months, they'll pay for your way back.

she awaits, m'liege!