Armor Thread

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Worst of all of the worlds, to be honest.

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Fiction has always been sexualized. Post proof then if you're so sure it's the "jews" doing it. Unless you're another false flagging faggot trying to ruin another thread while pretending to be Holla Forums. Which by the way, doesn't trick anyone, just so you know.

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I like realistic armor for fetish reasons.

Best Armor coming through. Shows off Samus figure be being slim in the waist with wide hips and a large upper chest area and long legs. I get hard every time I'm thinking about it.

that's nowhere near what I said

link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12119-011-9093-2
Now which race has wildly disproportionate control of the media? Hmm…

This is exactly the shit I was talking about. You animals would rather shit your vidya up with terrible porn, than play great vidya and look at great porn separately.

My absolute nigga

archive that shit first. Do you not even know the rules of the site?

I vastly prefer realistic armor. Medieval armor was absolutely gorgeous.

I would vastly prefer a medieval fantasy game where women couldn't physically compete with men, too.

You're too young to realize why we started archiving shit in the first place.

I know full well why we started when we came. Now are you going to archive it or not?

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Powered, whether that's sexy or otherwise.

obligatory

*relying on

Realistic. It's the only way it should be done.
And medieval games need to start taking armor into actual count. A simply sword thrust or slash will not even dent an armored plate, yet alone penetrate it. Same goes for chainmail. Combat was much more complex than simply slashing like a fucking retard.
We have milsims that take ballistics into account and yet we don't even have one medieval game with realistic armor and combat.

Realism isn't fun.

I mean, if these games were at all realistic:

Nevermind that armor is made for the battlefield, and not for spelunking around ancient ruins and caverns. That immunity to slashing damage isn't going to do you a lot of good when the rickety old bridge breaks and you sink like a rock in the pond below because you couldn't swim.

Like if you want to play as a character who resembles a realistic knight, more power to you. But don't shit up your argument with demands for realism.

You obviously don't, so here, I'll explain it to you. We started archiving articles about really ridiculous shit, because as soon as we'd get to them, they'd blow up and then the articles would be edited or deleted in hopes that they could be memory holed. This eventually evolved into depriving "hostile" sites of clicks, and it stayed that way for a while.

After hotwheels pulled his little freddit breddit stunt, we had a massive influx of outsiders who didn't understand that particular part of board culture, and would post articles from those websites without archiving them. They'd be rightfully shit on by anons for not archiving, and eventually wordfilters were added for said hostile websites. The newfags being newfags, took this to mean that all articles must be archived, even those from neutral or even friendly websites. This is what you're doing right now. So no, if you want it archived, you can fucking archive it yourself you dumb fuck. Your pathetic attempt at damage control after I blew you the fuck out is noted, though.

>I'm absolutely braindead when it comes to medieval armor and maintenance - The Post

No, swimming in armor is entirely doable. It's no harder than swimming in modern military gear.

Oh, really? I would have figured all the extra weight, especially from the layers of cloth becoming soaked, would have made it near impossible to swim.

Cool rebuttal

good looking is enough.
that excludes 90% of slutty armor, but also a big portion of the realistic ones too.

Overrated garbage.

Every fighting force worth a shit had actual armor on, not bikinis. There's a reason we evolved from cloth to mail to plate armor throughout the years. Moving in armor was also quite easy as it was often designed to distribute weigh on your shoulders and hips. Bikini armor is retarded in any setting that isn't just porn.

No, i'm demanding an archive because you linked some site I dont know, which for all I know is a honeypot I.P harvesting site, while you spout ridiculous nonsense about bikini armor being made by jews. And your repeated insistence on not actually doing the simplest act, which almost everyone else has evolved to do only makes it more suspicious. But of course I should click on all the suspicious links you post.

Where the fuck do you think you are? With every post you reveal you're even more of a newfag than previously expected. Keep going, next you'll admit you've only been here for a few months.
>>>/sudo/27745

Wtf is that helmet on fourth pic?
Was it designed by Rob Liefeld?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Rather than prove your point you avoid doing a simple task and try to call newfag as a defense. A task everyone else has no problem doing.Fuck off back to neofag.

Looks like a wolfshead.

True.

You'd have to be a titan of strenght to possibly carry over 100 lbs on you while swimming, not accounting for sword and shield.

New. As. Fuck. Get the fuck off my board.

Heaviest known armor was ~80 lbs and it was bulletproof armor designed for use from horseback. Most platemail is in the 40-60 lbs range.

If you can't swim with 50 lbs on your chest you're unfit like fuck.

You're not accounting for gambeson or padding underneath the armor which becomes wet, as well as chainmail, and the gauntlets and boots.

Yes, I am.

I found a video on vimeo in which a guy actually experimented with swimming while clad in armor. And, yes, it is feasible, but the conditions would have to be heavily weighted in your favor.

Honestly, sword and board, with side daggers and a bow and arrow, with leather armor would be your best bet for surviving in a dungeon.

source?

Joan offered advice and inspired men in battle to bravery, she was not a combatant.

Slutty. women fighting is already quite unrealistic unless its modern day (And even then its unlikely) so it might as well just be for show. My favourite is when all the women are mages and they all wear tight robes and pointy hats.

Ah, yes, the famous japanese magazine

wtf I hate female full plate now.

it should be obvious, realistic armor

How come the Marines don't wear platemail if it's so good user?

Whoever who made this was both a faggot and a dumb nigger who would never be a good commander or anything relating the military. I want to punch his head in for also being a disgusting fag that likes women that look like dudes.
The reason that people didn't wear armor in the 17th century was that guns pierced it with ease. If you showed 'em kevlar, they would be creaming their pants, everyone would be wearing kevlar vests that would make only the big cannons useful for killing. The fag who made this is the armor equivalent of a noguns fag.

The references section, user.

And for once, OP is not the biggest faggot in his thread.

It's no harder than swimming with baggy camoflage, a bullet proof vest, a helmet and binoculars, multiple firearms, and several days worth of field rations strapped to your back

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I'm not sure if I can believe you, since you've never been any melees.

I like both.
chainmail bikinis can be for battle mages, goddesses or warriors who are confident in her skills.
with full plate armor, you can polish the armor and listen to the chainmail chafe against eachother.

lmgtfy.com/?s=d&q=how much does plate armor weigh

this is correct,if you're doing the fantasy setting one might as well go all out.There's no point pretending for the sake of muh realism

I wish we could have a game where man do manly things and women do feminine things and that was reflected in the clothing.
All that while wearing elegant, appropriate clothing!!! I don't really mind chainmail bikinis and the like, but I wish games would give me more mature, classy clothing for women more often rather than ridiculous slutty clothing. The japs are the worst when it comes to autistic lewd clothing tbh. However when they try they actually can produce nice female fashion.

I dunno user, I like playing as a girl with a nice butt.

it doesn't work.
archive.is/B4zP4

I prefer realistic armor on men and no armor on women because they don’t do the fucking fighting, you stupid feminist.

Go back to sucking cock, please.

Thanks for admitting he’s right.

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Because guns became a thing, and force beats armor. Even then, the latest iterations of plate armor could even stop lead balls from early guns, hence why they were in use until the middle of the colonial era.
Also, there is no such thing as "platemail".

If it's not like real life why does the armor need to be realistic?

You offering?

There is only one article that refers to Japan, and half of the other articles look like bullshit

I wasn't the one who said bikini armor was jewish

How come none of the other Elder Scrolls games are as sexy?

Kinky!
Oh.

Well, that's not strictly true. You won't typically find any women on the battlefield in any official capacity, yes. But sometimes you don't have the privilege of turning away a pair of hands that could be holding makeshift weaponry.

I mean, if your choices are between you and your daughters and young sons being raped and your farm being burned down, and picking up a scythe that's been modified for combat and killing a motherfucker, your gonna kill a motherfucker.

Mixed-gender units perform significantly worse than single-gender units because male protector instincts kick in.

Is there literally any case at all of a female being a good or even decent soldier? I mean you see women fighting all the time in any fiction to the point where it is just considered normal.

Don't think anyone's disputing that, but you'd probably still be very useless and would get killed. Women under perform in every aspect on the battlefield. The only thing women can apparently be better at is aiming(there was a norwegian study a while back), but that still doesn't mean anything because they handle stress worse than men meaning they'd still aim worse in actual combat.

Also women are weaker, handle pain and stress less well and a lot of other things.

Yeah I was waiting to see if any user would point it out. Last armor thread we had a while back an user mentioned she was more of a bannerman or page for other knights and warriors, just used to inspire the men.

Slutty. Armored women should only exist as pin-ups.

The closest thing to a good female soldier were a few female snipers during ww2.

Depends on the girl, her style and fighting style.
Also weather.

Spies.

Also, you know, suicide bombers.

Snipers whose killcounts were greatly exaggerated in Soviet propaganda.

I prefer something that makes sense. Slutty armor is ridiculous and only good for porn.

No shit. It's fucking videogames, who the fuck cares.

women were never used as soldiers, at least not formally, by any fighting force we know of until modern times. You could likely find women along the ranks of brigands, bandits, pirates, maybe even some sea raiders, but they were rare even in those contexts. Really, even african warlords knew better than to send their only way of making more people out into the battlefield to be killed and raped.
That said, a woman, armed with guns or a sling, could make for a decent ranged fighter in a militia or guerilla fighting force. Women can kill, they just can't go toe-to-toe with a man in a melee.
In terms of armor, a woman would have a very hard time finding a blacksmith to forge her a suit unless she was rich and did it specifically for ceremonial purposes, as the process would take months and the smith would likely prefer to make a suit for a man than to have to adapt multiple key steps to get it to fit a woman's figure. Chainmail, padding, or scales could technically work but chain in particular would cause back problems due to the woman's shoulders not being wide enough to bear the full weight, and the weight likely also pushing down on the breasts.

I like most armor honestly.. but I really prefer to see your MC carry a backpack full of gear on them rather than having them seem they carry everything in their pocket. You then buy a bigger backpack so you can carry more shit. Or you put bigger packs on your horse or donkey or hire someone to carry shit around.

anima a best

No shit. It's fucking videogames, who the fuck cares.

Exactly why I like Slut Armor

the best part about Lord of The Rings Online was that you could make your character have both cosmetic and skill armor sets, so in your cosmetics you could make him run around with a giant fucking backpack . I also really like the backpack mods in the TES and later Fallout games. All games should have backpacks.

All that matters to me is that it fits the games aesthetic well and looks nice. This all depends on the game and what they are going for.

Realistic. A full suit of armor looks cool on men and attractive on women, because it spurs your imagination instead of handing you everything on a plate.

I think it's mostly an issue of dissonance. I have no problem with bikini armor in barbarian settings and such, since in those men typically wear just as little as women.

I prefer the term "practical armor" over "realistic armor".

a best! BEST!

She looks like emma watson.

I think that's the big issue for me as well. It just doesn't fit to have men run around in full plate and power armor and have women, who are supposedly just as useful and powerful in that setting, be in bikinis, as if they ran out of funds.
The problem is even more apperent when it supposed to be a unified army or nation, and they have completely different gear instead of a set uniform. Reminds me of the Russians in the Napoleanic and WW1 times where they'd send guys out with brooms and sticks, or ammo but no gun.

I think women belong in the kitchen.

You like slut armor because you've been conditioned to crave sexual stimuli in all of the media you consume.

Sensible answer.

… Okay? And?

I prefer cute armor to both.

There are very rare instances like Joan the Hatchet or the countess who "wielded a glaive as well as any man" mentioned in Froissart's Chronicles. Usually, the only time a woman would be on the battlefield, in medieval Europe at least, is if she were a noblewoman who had to lead an army into battle on the behalf of a male member of her family(usually her husband) who had been captured, killed, or otherwise unable to do so himself. In cases like this the woman probably carried a weapon for personal defense but the chances of her using it were a million to one.

Exactly. I really appreciated the Souls games in that regard, a female character wearing the same armor as a male one is visually almost indistinguishable. The only difference you're going to see is that their shoulders aren't as wide and their animations are different, but it's not immediately visible.

Thank you.

If I was at home, I'd post the "Prime below the hips" picture I have. Take Prime 1's lower body design and combine it with 2's upper body for the best armor combo.

well sarmatians might have used them, but when you are bordering mongols, huns, tatars, turks and even worse things every war becomes total war

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why not both?

And that conditioning is responsible for your shit taste, and is it spreads, devs see you as a viable audience to exploit, so more games are shit up with your "fan service" trash. Why do you think the "THICC" nigger meme took off here, when both europeans and asians overwhelmingly find overweight women to be disgusting? Because you fucks are being brainwashed.

aye, even in the few cases where they HAD to be used, they weren't used as formal soldiers, but rather as guerilla type troops to harass, or as a last moment defense line where if anyone gets to them you know its already over. No nation would purposely train and equip women and then send them to the front lines, it was always forced because doing so was the manpower equivalent of tipping your doritos bag over for the crumbs, and could mean not only loss, but enslavement and rape of those women, meaning your nation/ethnic group would be wiped out completely.

Either slut armor or stylized practical armor, i don't see the appeal of female knights with realistic armor because at that point it might as well be a man and it would make no difference.
I do prefer stylized female armor though. Armor designs that do a good job of accentuating the female figure without showing much skin are rare, but usually pleasant to look at.

I prefer my fantasy fighting females to be wearing practical and logical outfits, full dresses for magi and full armour for fighters. The only time that it's acceptable for her to be showing skin is if she's an acrobat or a dancer, which are both situational as adventurers.

Try again.

Your board owner is the one offering.

This. Because of Tom and Jerry I shot up my little brother and had him drink water to see the water pour out of his holes.

Depends, OP. If I want to look at something pretty, I'd go with bikini. But I'm a staunch realismfag and I like my historically accurate and common-sense armor. I also would rather not see women on the battlefield.

Oh fuck me, not this again.

This is actually my preference too. Marcy is top tier in this regard.

a better question:
which one is better?
personaly i prefer milanese. these one-piece large but functional pauldrons make me hard

Wholesome human women accompanying their beloved human husbands, fathers, and brothers on journeys, expeditions, and quests, adorably insisting that they can help fight and being generously granted the coup de grace on the various feral non-humans they're accosted by in packs, though never allowed by their guardian to be put in any real danger
All the barbaric, uncivilized, and sex-crazed non-humans such as orcs, elves, giants, beast races, etc. who are barely a step above wolves or pigs in civility and mental capacity, but serve decently enough for relieving stress on long, lonely journeys

I like all varieties of armor so long as it works with the settings. If the developer is going for something or claiming to be realistic then I'll be put off by flashy armor and bikini-mail. If the setting is very high fantasy I won't mind and likely enjoy it. and when it comes to female knights well honestly i'd rather see the 6 foot tall shredded lady in bikini mail than the "realistic" counterpart who couldn't even be fighting with them men and is likely only written into the game so the devs can get good ally points

No slutty armor in winter settings. That shit is cold

Ah, yes. That must be it.

By the way, I should note: while I, myself, do prefer female characters in sexy armor, I don't hate historically inspired or practical armor, nor do I think that there isn't isn't a place for it. I am, in fact, perfectly capable of enjoying something that doesn't have heavily sexualized female character designs, and I able to respect those that prefer that sort of depiction as well.

this

Gothic is qt. For me it's the helmet that makes it.

It works in soul calibur because what the characters wear is a large part of their personality and i would very much fuck both hilde and ivy full force

The only societies that would ever consider using women as soldiers are those that are either batshit insane (usually this means communist, but not always) or incredibly desperate. Even if women were capable of doing well at the job (which sometimes they are–the Soviets definitely got some use out of them), sacrificing women's lives in battle is usually not a price worth paying.

I dont think "porn armor" is inherently bad, the problem is most games are way too inconsistent with them so you end up having huge muscular people armored from head to toe in thick bulky gear that get their shit wrecked by some DYEL chick in her underwear.

MUH SUPERIOR SPEED

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I actually do hate devs who put female characters in "practical" premodern armor that makes them look indistinguishable from men, unless the woman is actually disguising herself as a man. Women as warriors already makes your game unrealistic. There is no reason not to stylize their armor to look feminine. It doesn't have to show a lot of skin, you can easily go with something like .

you don't like reverse traps, nigga?

Can we not?

Excellent taste.

It depends on the genre and the context.

If you're talking about a setting that's Swords and Planets, where the men walk around in loin-cloths, seeing women in bikini-wear is pretty much a necessity. Half-naked space princesses is the name of the day. Or, in other words, the Gurren Lagann aesthetic.

On the other hand, if the men are going around in suits of plate armor, I'm going to want to see the women in something more akin to this:

Full boob plates just look stupid, but something with an elegant design comes across pretty nicely. Even something that looks a little silly, like Saber's metal skirt, can work well in that regard.

The main key is consistency. If something sticks out like sore thumb, that's frustrating. But if everything is consistent, that's good.

Whats up with all the muh slut armor bitching?

It's a crime to make a piece of metal this sexy.

Women do compete with men. By roiding up the ass. But hey, as long as it works - you don't really care about the means to achieve the ends in the middle of the battle.

Armor is for defense. If you're going to show so much skin, you might as well be wearing cloth.

Slut armor.

Sorry, but weighing down a 110 pound female with twice her weight in armor is taking a partially effective combatant and making her completely worthless.

Keep it a bikini to keep weight down as much as possible, and make it chainmail entirely to show that the person is a combatant. And if I can see that the woman is sporting actual muscle tone I'll have to actually treat her like a threat.

Honestly if a woman were wearing any kind of actual armor the most effective way to deal with them is a slight bump off their center of gravity.

If she is not cute or sexy while wearing it there in no point to having the character there in the first place that can be more realistically be portrayed by a man. Realism fags need to fuck off back to thier non fantasy if it triggers them so much.

But weighing down a 110 lb female with 110 lbs of slut armor is fine.

That's a really, really big bra.

Little armor is still better than no armor.

why not both?

What the fuck would this even look like? How big are those titties?

Here, let me help you out.

Cloth is actually good enough in most cases.

You niggers REALLY underestimate how much solid metal plating weighs.

that looks fuckin dumb

So, like, padding the slut armor bra with lead weights? Ok, I can see that.

It isn't good enough when someone is swinging a metal sword at you, which in a fantasy adventure is "most cases" so no you are wrong.

I think you overestimate it because you have low testosterone.

Full plate is 40 or 60 tops. But even that is too much since the average man is 60% stronger than any woman.

Why not just make it fucking leather in that case? Or give them a leather bikini with a linked mail tunic where you can still see flesh underneath?

I thought naked apron was supposed to look good, the fuck is this. also in fantasy settings it's the only place where women can be useful, fun, or interesting so why add the sad realistic truth of them into our fantasies?

Actually I think the real reason we moved away from armor and shields was because the weapons that were coming out at the time heavy bore muskets and cannons could probably fuck up the wearer, and in the case of cannons, pierce right fucking through whatever armor you might be wearing, so people just traded it for absolute mobility instead because let's be honest, even though the myth that heavy armor slows you down to a half jog has long been dispelled, I doubt it would make you as fast as someone completely unimpeded except by their musket and the clothes they were wearing. That said, the fighting style was huge regiments shooting at each other anyway so I guess mobility wasn't really at stake, it was just the fact that steel could be put to use making more cannons and weapons instead of armor. That's just my take on it though.

As for the OP, with dudes I prefer realistic armor, and for females I sometimes appreciate realistic armor, but there are some times where I just want to see sluts wearing slutty but functional armor. And maybe on the very far end of the spectrum I just want to see armor plated g strings.

Underrated post and this tbh.
Unnecessary

STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM.
The others are fine though.

>quora.com/How-much-did-medieval-suits-of-armor-weigh
Stop being a retard.

Go watch some cutting tests, you dumb nigger. Swords dont work like anime katanas.

GET EDUCATED.

A single AR500 plate weighs 20 lbs and covers grand fuckall of body area. Pic related.

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these are much thicker then plate armor was tho

Are you seriously going to sit here and tell me that metal armor is obsoleted by cloth and that I need to watch videos to prove it? Why did knights bother looking like they did if apparently all they had to do was put on a fucking shirt? Why the fuck do you think people started coating themselves in metal in the first place? I am genuinely disturbed by your stupidity.

That really depends on how much protection you want. 1 mm "plating" would barely strong enough to stop limp wristed sword strike. 3 mm would be pretty heavy.

They are called gambesons. Look it up, faggot.

Not obsolete, but thick cloth armor was pretty great against slashing weapons.

Lmoa

You mean those things they wore under a breast plate? That also didn't do shit against a sword unless they were studded with, you guessed it, metal?

Swords have points for a reason.

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Studded armor didn't exist until 21st century.

They wear them under or alone. Slashing it not effective. It absorbs the blunt force too. Only concern is stabbing.

It's like poetry.

Of course, but stabbing is much riskier than slashing.

You had one job!

yeah basically you need something to stop force coming at you (plate) and something to prevent hit from mauling you.
most medievel soldiers (depending on period) wore these because its a fucking cloth and as such is cheap as fuck. it works fine on its own
you cant stab in every possible situation.

I guess you can do that as well.

Though I would like to see a woman arms expert HAHAHAHAHA don different levels of armor and fight for extended periods of time. Then we could have actual measurements of just how much speed/stamina is lost and even better see how effective the armor is against blows.

Actually that would be an interesting thing to see, has anyone already done it?

Someone who couldn't afford a breast plate would wear it alone. Is it really so hard to admit that "cloth is good enough in most cases" is a fallacious statement? Especially when your argument to support is relies on gambesons that were often reinforced with leather and metal.

You sound awfully autistic, trying to prove a point that no one really can because nobody had used that kind of armor for well over 3 centuries, so the mankind will never know for certain.

I have no idea, and I'd honestly be highly suspect of any such "tests" being released in today's climate, where everything seems to have an agenda.

and you sound like buttblasted faggot that lost argument but is too proud to admit it

Are we not supposed to discuss things on image boards now? I'm not even trying to prove anything, I'm arguing against a point someone else made. You might have noticed that had you not gotten emotional about the argument.

Lost what argument? About some shit you (or someone else) made up using vagues of hunches and loose interpretations as proofs? M8 pls. That wasn't even me you were arguing with.

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Luckily we have writing to preserve knowledge now. If only they had invented that by the 18th century.

You have a point with that first picture. Women love to look sexy, even if it doesn't have much of an effect and is painful as fuck. Hundreds of years from now, maybe we'll be saying it's unrealistic to draw women with high heels because "there's no way a woman would subject herself to that kind of pain and danger".

That's for damn sure. I can just see some feminist channel editing a video to show a woman just doing a single jumping jack, and a bunch of cuts to imply that she's been running around in the armor for hours only to have her take off the helmet to show she isn't sweating and her makeup is still perfect.

Sad though, it would be interesting to get that kind of raw data. There might actually be a breakdown of how much armor you want a woman to wear and what kind of weapons she should use in those situations.

Yeah because information in books is infallable, last instance truth. Always, invariably. In a book from the times when people believed vermin just spawned out of thin air if you leave groceries unattended. Besides, why do you think such debates even have place? Because nothing concrete was written even in those hardly reliable sources.

Thanks for admitting that everything I said is accurate and that you can’t refute it.

So if you acknowledge the importance of debates such as this why do you barge into the middle of it just to throw around insults and derail it?

Having women allowed in combar roles is all you need to know about modern political climate.

Because you insist that you have some last instance truth and the other guy is absolutely certainly wrong. Which is clearly isn't the case, because you're both wrong. Nothing is correct until it is proven to be correct, no proofs exist currently and might as well never to exist in the future.

The difference is that high-heels are distinctly not for combat but for fashion
People might think high heels are stupid in the future like those cage-dresses women wore before
We know why they wore them, but it seems pretty silly in hind-sight
And high heels are pretty stupid looking when you think about it

They are retarded but they serve to increase apparent height of the waman in question. It's a muh dik equivalent.

realistic armor with sexy things underneath

i think its supposed to lift up their ass or something
i don't know how people find them sexy though

It doesn't matter, because female fighters aren't realistic to begin with. So, I am fine with either of them. It does depend on the setting, though. If the game takes itself somewhat seriously, and everything else tries to be at least a little bit realistic, then I guess women should wear functional armor, or just not fight at all, if you want full realism. If it's supposed to be historical, then women shouldn't be involved. Of course, this mostly applies to humans.

It's for height and to make their ass/hips sway when they walk you dummy.

They sway naturally, when walking without any ridiculous footwear. However awkward they make the locomotion to be, it's fitting. A woman can't run for shit either way, so not being able to do so in high heels is hardly detrimental. And when you see a woman in high heels, you immediately know she'll put up with a lot of abuse just for some meaningless brownie points.

speak for yourself

And they sway more in high heels. For someone that complains about people being argumentative you sure have an inability to concede any point.

I'm not the one claiming some specific properties of some objects based on absolutely nothing, that would be you.

Which is idiotic. I don’t want to be with a woman who lies about her appearance AND is masochistic enough to wear shoes that are designed to damage your body.

Okay, I can say from experience that women CLAIM it's a mandatory fashion accessory that accentuates their height and stride. Even after said heel breaks off when stepping off a bus to the sidewalk and the woman in question has to hop all the way home with a dislocated ankle that required three weeks in casts before it was fit of use. Even then heels remain an integral part of 'certain' women's lives.

That's my point though, if there were many woman in combat on a large scale, such as in fantasy settings where the world is full of "adventurers" and mercenaries. There's sure to also be a large amount of women wearing slutty armor, despite how stupid you think it looks.

does fat count as armor?

Women can't survive without peer approval. They'll do anything if it elevates them in eyes of others. E.g. covering up her own rape because she's an rapefugee welcome girl.

Is that supposed to be a Grey Warden from DA?

Women like to make their own lives more difficult, mostly to spite other women. It's like wearing make up, gotta take 2 hours out of your day to make yourself look acceptable because without makeup your an acne ridden mess with no eyebrows. This ironically is caused by excessive use of make-up. Most men would still fuck them if they wore sneakers and did basic skin-care but women fool one another into ruining themselves so much that things that should be occasional like makeup and heels become overdone

Nah, that's blubber man. You use harpoons to pierce through to the vitals, and then string it up to drain all the blood out.

Eh, I've met women who are quite levelheaded about this shit; I just hoped that I'd never have to face true retardation in my fellow (wo)man. Worse, I'd have thought I'd set a better example.

WHEN GIRLS WEAR ARMOR I LIKE IT WHEN THE ATTRACTIVE PARTS GET EXPOSURE
You could always have another piece that goes on it battle but you gotta use your appeal when not getting shot by arrows.

Doesn’t bring squishy give you a blunt damage reduction?

Females aren't meant to fight. They're in to please males so the answer is obvious. Only a western homosexual or cuck will want a full armor.

I would hope so, I still feel like a lot of "womens hardships" like wearing uncomfortable shoes is something they brought upon themselves at this point

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You know, in a way armor itself is effeminate. Wearing less of it is masculine, displaying you do not need it. (But no army IRL can effectively live up to this standard)

Women who wear impractical porn armor and do not die are being depicted in a more masculine way than the men with equivalent status armor.

I mean what is the most masculine class of all? The barbarian. And he just wears a loincloth to prove it. Every slutty chick is basically a macho barbarian.

Men are the ones who do stunts to prove themselves the best among their peers. High heels don't really put you in any real danger in normal life, they are just uncomfortable, so women would probably not wear them in combat.

What if I want full armor because it makes my dick hard?

I don't like skimpy female armour either so nice try.
I just don't want women in armour because it's fucking stupid to have female soldiers.
Only mages have an excuse because magic.

If videogames are anything to go by:
more armor = more %damage reduction
more body mass = more hp.

Make no mistake though. Men do that for shits and giggles. Women do it as serious business.

No because you can lose blood, die, and feel immense pain when your fat gets cut.

There is a difference between full cuck armor and sexy armor. Cuck armor will be flat near boob area and can't tell differnace between male and female. Sexy full armor is alright by me.

Only problem is the high heels.

Slutty armor

Men are the ones who might get killed for it.
The "shits and giggles" are part of the show, posturing and providing additional proof of your masculinity.

A womans concern about peer approval ends where their own survival begins. You see it all the time when they break down in public. This is more in line with how sexual selection works. Any act that motions towards desperation is effeminate. The more you need to be concerned about your situation, the less of a man you are.

What were you even trying to do there?

Expert bait, at a guess.

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ya been fooled lad

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It is good enoigh in most cases. Many people went into combat wearing it alone. Maybe you should stop strawmanning what my arguement was originally about so you can protect your fucking ego.

Ye be responding to the wrong poster lad

Slutty, as there is nothing realistic about a woman in platemail on a battlefield.

I like comfy looking armour.

Whenever a women's on a battlefield period my sense or immersion is already gone so no point in caring about realism after that.

As far as pirates go you have the historically accurate Mary Read and Anne Bonny for pirates, with Mary Read being famous for always boarding and fighting with her sword with men.

That vid makes it look like maces should be the weapon of choice vs knights.

For me, proper armor is much more aesthetically pleasing than slutty armor, it's not even a matter of realism for me, but rather concept in itself, slutty armor is simply too ridiculous.

Well, there's the soviet's night witches during ww2 and the shield maidens that would defend their homes against thieves while all the vikings were out raiding. But I can't think of more examples to be honest.

That's because it is, you're gonna do jack shit with a sword against an opponent fully armored in plate.

I like both, but it depends on the game and the context.

If the game is stylized, or heavily favors style, then slutty armor all the way.

If the game is more realistic or gritty in general, then I like being fully armored.

If I have to choose between the two, however; then realistic armor, because a woman in full platemail makes my dick diamonds.

Jock strap and battle axe is all you ever need.

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Second one was made by a rabid feminist.

I know this is splitting hairs in a fetish thread, but
The only realistic way to treat women in a war where plate and chain are relevant is to keep them as fucking far away from the battlefield as possible.

Actually in Warhammer you actually could have working bikini armor. Through any magical or worship means you can grant yourself a ward. There even is god that would be willing to help you for wearing bikini into battle, but save wards aren't his thing.

Pic related. The wards guy most tanky bastard in table top that wears a bit of plate and a lot of clothes. Known as mandatory unit to have in 8th edition, enjoy 3+ ward and 1 rerolls.

It is, but often only as the last weapon. Knights generally had a list of weapons the went through as the battle progressed and usually the mace was after the sword, simply because it is so damn short.

Harnischfechten & half-swording works real well, especially since armored opponents are real easy to tip over due to the higher center of mass.

What sense does this make?

I like fantasy settings, so I need a good mixture of both.

In most fantasy settings, the usefulness of armor varies. Adventurers don't engage in battles between armies. They dive into dungeons and fight slimes, ogres, demons, and dragons. Why would you wear plate from your head to your toes when your armor is going to be your tomb if you get struck by almost anything? Adventurer's also don't march with a caravan carrying all of their arms, armor, and supplies. They have to carry everything on their person, and not across highways or paths, but through forests, up and down mountains, through caves, and sometimes into hell. In a world where a demand for lighter armors exists, and where adventurer's roaming the world spending more money on armor than most artisans make in their lives, there is no reason to be suspicious about the development of stylized armors.

That being said, there are still the occasional encounter with bandits, armed undead, soldiers, or other types of enemies that use humanoid weapons that armor is designed to counter. There are also enemies that armor would be perfectly fine against. So practical armor as we know it in our history would certainly exist. Yet, adventurers, mercenaries, and guards aren't always going to be equipped to fight other people. You'd probably find elite adventurers, royal guardsmen, or famous generals wearing more practical armors.

Armor needs to have a use. If it's not of use to someone, it's probably just fashion. Both are necessary in a fantasy world. I figured that's worth pointing out before someone gives me that spergy, "why isn't everyone just naked then" shit. None of that, "why doesn't everyone wear a gambeson" shit either, that doesn't fly, unless you're worried about the practicality of handing down undamaged armor to your up-and-coming adventurer children after all of your bones are broken, or you're pretending that the lack/weakness of professional armies in a lot of fantasy settings doesn't entail a million more spears in the world.

The only reason I can see to disagree with a balanced concept is that you either think every game has to be about rank-and-file army engagements between medieval european countries, or you think every game has to put all them big o titties out on display. It's nice that both of those game types exist, but a balanced approach to showy armor and realistic armor fits the vast majority of game worlds.

half-swording works decently enough against plate armor simply because it's the best you can do with a sword in such a situation, but a mace or a war hammer is always going to be better.

It doesn't really matter to me. Whatever fits the tone of the game. If I'm playing a Queen's Blade game, I want Bikini. If I'm playing Dragon's Dogma, I want more realistic armor. Though I will say that my dick gets harder with full plate armor rather than bikini armor. But then, I'm a huge faggot who loves strong women who dominate on the battlefield, but whom secretly wish only to be dominated in bed and in their heart. Full plate armor conveys to me a sense of competence that's sadly lacking in most women, and that's a turn on. Bikini armor, especially where it tonally doesn't belong, is just superficial attention-whore cosplay bullshit.

If anything, the only armor that really bothers me is "Boob Plate" armor on anything that's supposed to be functional rather than ornamental. And even then, it's only because it's so fucking non-committal. They want to appear both functional and sexy, but accomplish neither.

From the OP's pics: Second to the Left and Second to the Right are fine. Middle pic #3 is rage inducing.

I'd believe it

Are there any games that are realistic enough to not have female fighters to begin with?

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I only have one gaylo waifu

i know some(?) total war games don't

Gay, but respectable

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The main issue with women wearing armor is that it's heavy. And because it is heavy, it is generally going to weigh down on one or two of two spots; the hips and the shoulders. Now, unlike men, women don't have the upper body strength to be able to fight comfortably wearing heavy armor if it is on their shoulders.

The second spot, the hips, is arguably even worse, but I'll get to that a bit later. For men the hips are a far superior option than the shoulders, as with the weight near your center of gravity you can move fairly normally while having your arms unencumbered. You can see this in various armor designs; plate armor having narrow waists and corset-like designs, maille shirts and brigandines tightened around the waist with a belt etc.

Now, because women have to give birth, they have wide as fuck hips; that baby brain is fucking HUGE and you gotta push it out somehow. This means that to survive childbirth, women have to have FUKKEN huge hips, comparatively. But this makes the structurally weaker. Place a heavy rucksack on a woman and have her march and she'll wreck herself. Old women suffer disproportionately more often from hip injuries than old men, as a lifetime of wear and tear take their toll.

So having heavy armor is going to be either weighing their upper body down so much they can't do shit, or fucking their hips so bad that within a year or two of fighting they'll be walking around like scrunched up old grannies, all hunchbacked and slow.

Not necessarily. A warhammer, sure. It's a polearm designed solely for anti-armor combat, of course it will outperform a jack-of-all-trades weapon like a sword. But a sword is a warhammer, too when you half-sword it. A mace is too short and predictable against anyone decently skilled and will be riposted easily enough by anyone with a sword. Longer is stronger, it's a fact of life.

i'm looking.

I prefer it when they just wear clothes.

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neither armor nor weapons are nearly as heavy as they are depicted

This post. sadly it was off by 8 to be heiled.

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in real life was armor for men always so practical?

Certainly, it is lighter than modern gear and distributed upon the body in a far superior way, but that does not mean that women are capable of wearing it for extended periods of time while under continuous physical stress.

I am not actually autistic. I think.

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fencing is 1 vs 1, so mobility is useful. But when you are surrounded by soldiers there is much less room to move around an evade.

Dude…

If we are to trust the Romans, then no.

It's likely the Roman's depictions of their enemies was highly unrealistic, though.

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Please stop embarrassing yourself

Master Chief is a guy user

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Boom.
artstation.com/artwork/qJ4qN

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Realistic = no women in combat to begin with.

They're all Master Chief user
Everyone there is Master Chief

Yes, user, thank you, only half the people posting in the thread mentioned it already.

How unrealistic though? Are we to believe that every Gaul had his own cuirass? Or are we to believe that they all went to battle in the nude? There probably were Gallic warriors who fought bare chested.

And just in case a bunch of you are too lazy to check

We know.

If you're going to be gay for a Spartan, at least be gay for a total bro like S052, not a faggot like John Self-Insert.

If robots do not have chromosomes does it mean they can not be male and therefore it is not gay?

She literally mentions in her second question that male armor should be functional and not "fierce".

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halo.wikia.com/wiki/Kelly-087

He's comparing mens armor to womens and complaining about it being sexist. Hence all the comparisons to the mens, implying it's superior. Are you really so dense as to not realize such a simple thing? Especially in the context of the picture?

A robot can't technically be biologically male but if you're fucking a robot with a benis you are gay unless you're a woman.

this is pretty gay bro

Fine, my bad on that one, doesn't change my point though

He's comparing functional armor with non functional stylized "armor" and then proceeds to imply it's wrong when done both in female and male cases.

explain wherefor there be an benis user-kun

This reads like a tumblr OC

If you don't investigate crashed space-ships wearing nothing but a horned helmet, a spear, and a horned helmet, you are doing something very wrong.

Point out where he says its wrong for males. He's complaining about "cleavage". Right from the start. Men don't have cleavage. He outright states he wont make "bikini armor" either, except he's a whore, so he will but you gotta pay him more :^

Like I said before, literally question #2 in the image you posted before.

It really does, i was half expecting something along the lines of "she was faster than Sonic".

Realistic in realistic games I guess. Warband is only one I'm aware of though (that has armored women anyway).
Slutty in all dem fantasy shit. Because fuck you it's boring enough.

Everybody who's got triggered by slutty armor are feminist kikes kill em with greek fire, my stoic friends.

In contrast to womens bikini armor as he cries about it being sexist, hence why in the entire post he talks about how he has never made it and now made a picture of an armored clad woman slaughtering women in bikini armor.
At no point does he complain about male armor, he alludes to male armor being the norm and female armor being negative and objectifying in his own post, which you are selectively pointing out when the evidence is up there. At no point does he complain about stylized male armor, only about bikini armor and alluding to it having sexist undertones. But then you're avoiding that part of the post like the plague.

Gay or autistic

There have been a number of graves found of women who disguised themselves as men to serve as soldiers or mercenaries but I really doubt anyone bothered to record how well or poorly a common soldier fought.

Why not both?

He could've picked any of the four colors. He either picked last or really wanted to be yellow.

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Fine, if you're going to be that way, so be it, let's analyse the whole thing step by step.

1) The image: The image is clearly a woman in functional armor slaughtering without a problem a group of women in non functional armor. The critic here is clearly against non functional armor in women, as it's the most regular case of non functional armor.

2) The rant: He goes on about he's never liked the "chainmail bikini" and that he's avoided having to draw them so far, but is aware that if hired to do so, he would have to do it. So, since he concludes he'll inevitably have to draw chainmail bikini at some point, he decides to go ahead and do it "on his terms", which users of said type of armor being killed because of it's non functionality and comparing it in a direct way to functional armor.

3) The quiz: A set of several questions, of which we only see the first 5, that are actually sarcastic commentaries disguised as questions. Questions number 1 and 3 follow in the same line as the previous rant, but numbers 2, 4 and 5 are clearly male oriented, which denotes that everything we read beforehand is most likely because of his distaste for non functional gendered stereotypes rather than exclusively female ones.

So there you go, nothing was "avoided" as you put it, hope you're happy now.

I'ts cloth, horse hair and a lot of work, it wasn't all that cheap by medieval standards. I guess you could get like one month-worth of turnip instead.
Some knights didn't even bother supplying infantry with gambeson let alone mail, grab that spear, wooden shield and here you go fighting for freedom.

Nigger, his entire premise for the picture and complaint is in relation to bikini armor and objectification of women. He kvetches about it for a massive paragraph at the top. He is not complaining about functional vs non functional, hes complaining about women being "objectified" and wearing bikini armor when men don't have to, hence why the men get to look fierce, and the womens curves "accentuated" , and the men get to use things normally or bigger because MEN, with the connotation of MAN-SIZED, which has always been seen as a positive, such as a MAN-SIZED meal. But by all means, try and misrepresent again, i'm sure you'll manage to try and sophistry your way out to avoid the obvious. Nonetheless, my point has been proven, and sourced.

That's probably pretty uncomfortable. I bet she'll have fun explaining how her nipples got burned/frozen off to her husband.

I can't count the number of times we've had this sort of thread, and thus cannot count the number of times I've been among the only ones to say this: let the clothes fit the character and the setting.
Clothes and armor in fiction are much more than their real-life counterparts: their primary purpose is not to cover the body, but to tell you something about the character wearing them.
Sometimes this means that they end up being armor that, if replicated in reality, wouldn't work as armor, but goes unquestioned so long as it lines up well enough with the character wearing it and the setting that character lives in.

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And in 40k you can wear a conversion field generator that can fit into a space crucifix.

This guy sounds like a phenomenal whiny faggot, but I guessed that from the picture he drew.

I completely fail to see how you can see "looking fierce" as something positive when it's being compared to "protecting vital organs". It should be obvious to anyone that "look fierce" is being presented as a negative, same with "man sized" and "man bag".
But you know what? I'm done here, should've stopped a while back already.

I don't think those are metal nipple plates. I think it's Sorayama-esque liquid chrome fabric.

None because women have no place on the battle field

serious answer: slutty armor is for plebs, realistic is the patrician fetish

This sounds like the autistic fantasies about being a shounen anime character I had as a kid but from a girl's perspective.
I can already imagine the whole story

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Samus has ruined me when it comes to Sci-Fi body suit armor. I've yet to see space armor that is remotely as well designed as the Varia Suit.

Here you go.