Puzzles in modern vidya

Hudson King
Hudson King

Pirate Wolfenstein:TNC
Beat the game. It's short. It's pretty bad.
no bossfights
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the game continues after the ending credits
I'm intrigued
It has bonus levels locked behind a puzzle minigame
I'm excited. I love puzzles, and this one looks interesting. Looks like cool patterns. Are these shapes numbers? Do I have to figure out an alphabet or something?
I stare at it for 10 seconds
realization seeps in
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the puzzle is LITERALLY having to figure out how to make shapes on the top row out of two smaller shapes on the two bottom rows
Shape recognition puzzle in an 18+ videogame
there are videos on youtube that teach normalfag fucktards how to solve it

Are there still any games out there that have puzzles that are actually challenging?

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uhs-hints.com/
youtu.be/WjzMFafm_A0
hooktube.com/watch?v=HRi2wiav_d4

Robert Lopez
Robert Lopez

WAIT A MINUTE THAT CARD

Andrew Watson
Andrew Watson

enigma code

Michael Sanchez
Michael Sanchez

I think it was skyrim (pirated) that insulted me most with puzzles.
enter room
ah a puzzle
just take a moment to look around and observe the stuff in it
game then highlights the answer before i've even interacted with anything

Colton Morris
Colton Morris

having to figure out how to make shapes on the top row out of two smaller shapes on the two bottom rows
can you explain that? im stuck figuring that shit out in my ps4

Isaiah Moore
Isaiah Moore

FFXV is a fucking bad game but there a dungeon with very fun puzzle or obstacle that you need to overcome

Xavier Rogers
Xavier Rogers

What, puzzle games in general or just any game where you'd have a puzzle?

Levi White
Levi White

There was Enigma in TNO and TOB too but I've never bothered with it, maybe it wasn't as shitty?

Anthony Edwards
Anthony Edwards

so bro you look at top and you see there is a lot of circles right

so i didnt know until my moms boyfriend told me but many circles make a shape

you imagine a line between the shape and then you repeat the shape on the bottom but you have to do it fast or you lose

its very hard but it makes you feel good when you finally beat it

Just games that present you with an actually difficult puzzle that makes you think and challenges you.

John Gomez
John Gomez

visual representation of my brain as I play bioshook
bioshook
Was that intentional?

Jordan Turner
Jordan Turner

Yes quadsman. Yes it was.

Austin Evans
Austin Evans

games that make the players think and challenge them
Not gonna happen.

Luke Myers
Luke Myers

my moms boyfriend

Connor Jenkins
Connor Jenkins

You have to consider the WHOLE gaming community. Puzzles that are too difficult for the lowest common denominator are simply exclusionary and only serve to emphasize white privilege in gaming. Stop being such an elitist and demanding that professionally-made video games pander to your misogynistic standards of "quality" and "difficulty" and "critical thinking", you shitlord.

On top of that, you pirated this? You know that women and minorities worked VERY HARD on that, right? Do you hate women and immigrants? Do you WANT the Nazis to come back? I mean, we made sure to remove as many swastikas as we could to make sure that nobody felt that the violence of staring at a swastika would hurt them while they blew Nazi heads off, so the LEAST you can do is give us the money we deserve for all of our hard work.

Why the fuck would you even pirate this shitheap? I'm not sure if I should be disappointed that you did or saluting you for delving into the black morass of this social justice 'masterpiece' to bring to light even more ridiculous bullshit like this.

Joshua Powell
Joshua Powell

Did you play Obduction? I never finished it myself but it seems like Cyan Worlds would be a safe bet. There's that Riven ripoff inspired game called Quern, too.

Luke White
Luke White

but you have to do it fast or you lose
shiett

Leo Bennett
Leo Bennett

I like to think for myself. When I first saw the trailer and Holla Forums talking about it, I wanted to make sure that it wasn't just SJW-tier outrage in reverse. The first game wasn't that bad, after all. In the end, TNC was almost every bit as bad as people said. It's short, has only one bossfight and half the game is just cutscenes. All in all very disappointing.

I'll have to check it out. Thanks!

i know its almost as hard as simon ses.

James Lopez
James Lopez

antifacists
smart

At least its true to life.

Jacob Richardson
Jacob Richardson

Puzzles are actually seen as bad game design by modern game developers

Modern game developers actually see anything where the player gets stuck for a few minutes as really bad and indicative that the game is designed poorly. It's why Telltale for instance with their adventure games, have zero puzzles whatsoever. It's just story/cutscenes and some inventory pickups that you use periodically. Players are conditioned to see moments where they have to stop and observe something as a bad thing because games are much more instant gratification now. It isn't helped by how most of the time whenever puzzles are brought up in the context of video games people tend to highlight extremely bad examples like puzzles in Point and Click games that are mostly guesswork. I know a ton of people who outright refuse to play point and click games entirely because they're afraid of bad puzzles.

It reminds me of vid-related where the dev stated "When you press a button, something awesome has to happen". That's modern game design in a nutshell. And puzzles don't fit into that.

Adam Davis
Adam Davis

Silly user, the average consumer has neither the patience nor the intelligence to solve puzzles.
my mom's boyfriend
mfw
Which game is this?

Jacob Perry
Jacob Perry

Add to that people can just look up a guide in seconds which completely invalidates the time and effort of putting a puzzle in at all.

Landon Moore
Landon Moore

I'm cool with puzzles but I haven't seen any good ones that aren't either obtuse or too easy.

Luis Wood
Luis Wood

Add to that people can just look up a guide in seconds which completely invalidates the time and effort of putting a puzzle in at all.
This too

Most devs don't see the point spending hours making assets/coding for something that players will intentionally skip

Ryder Kelly
Ryder Kelly

I'm not sure but that looks like Avencast.
Speaking of that game I recall it having a quest requiring some insane timing near the start.

Cooper Miller
Cooper Miller

game targeted at antifa communists
basic shape recognition "puzzles"
At least they're aware of their audience.

Ian Price
Ian Price

More games should have puzzles like ones from actual puzzle games - a series of challenges on your quick thinking skills, with randomized elements. This way, the puzzles aren't invalidated by looking up a guide, nor are they invalidated on repeat playthroughs, and if the player isn't able to get past them, they can still feel like they're making progress as they keep trying to improve, rather than feel like they're staring at a wall for a long time.

Dominic Kelly
Dominic Kelly

This
The only workaround is to have puzzles with as many randomized/procedural elements as possible, which greatly reduces the scope of what you'd be able to make, or to just make a shitty game with no marketing that people won't even bother writing a wiki for

Hunter Hill
Hunter Hill

I hate this notion that if some faggot can look up a guide to something that makes it somehow bad.
Fuck those people, they're missing out.

Jaxson James
Jaxson James

If your game is an action/combat focused game puzzles really only serve to piss off and kill the player's momentum when they want to be fighting enemies.

Chase Gutierrez
Chase Gutierrez

Or you can instead make the entire game nothing but puzzles which will just filter out everyone else that doesn't like that sort of gameplay in the first place.

Ryder Baker
Ryder Baker

Those shit claw puzzles that you have to open your inventory and rotate the claw around to get the combination. So fucking stupid and so frustrating the first time you hit one, and then you feel like a dip shit when you figure it out.

Quality game design I've come to expect from Bethesda.

Adam Roberts
Adam Roberts

It lessens the feeling of challenge and accomplishment if you know it was only difficult because you were playing with an arm behind your back, and thousands of mindless retards before you have stumbled through the exact same thing while expending none of the effort

That also greatly limits what you can do with the game and can easily make the puzzles and the world they're in feel less special

Justin Rivera
Justin Rivera

entire education system destroyed and rebuilt around the lowest common denominator–niggers
entire video game industry destroyed and rebuilt around the lowest common denominator–public school children
No correlation here.

Connor Smith
Connor Smith

playing guideless is now playing with one arm behind your back
What?

Jose Clark
Jose Clark

That also greatly limits what you can do with the game and can easily make the puzzles and the world they're in feel less special
How so?

Jaxon Lee
Jaxon Lee

You have the option to look up a guide that will walk you through it, no skill or intelligence on your part is required
So the accomplishment is meaningless
This isn't rocket science

Luke Baker
Luke Baker

By that type of thinking you can just cheat your way through the game or play it on easy.
I like having my skills and intelligence tested and it's part of the fun. What fun is finding a secret if all I did was look it up?

Eli Allen
Eli Allen

If the game is entirely built around puzzles, then so will the world and all of your methods of interaction with it
In most cases, this means you're either interfacing with the game world through abstract 2D screens, or you're a glorified floating camera pushing buttons and moving physics objects around in a big conveniently designed toybox

Brandon Jackson
Brandon Jackson

Who could it be?

Mason Wilson
Mason Wilson

This is almost as painful as this, but at least he figured out his shit faster than Dean.

John Williams
John Williams

I don't think games should have cheats or easy modes either, at least not without locking the good shit away from people who try to use them to beat the game

I think another part of this is that devs are trying to fight against this mentality by intentionally making their puzzles and secrets more obtuse and less telegraphed, or requiring outside work from people on a community level, ironically making the problem worse
Datamining also doesn't help in this regard, it's a vicious cycle

If you think I'm telling people to read guides you're fucking illiterate

Brody Green
Brody Green

You're way too narrow on you definition of what constitutes a puzzle here. Adventure games are nothing but puzzles but they are mostly logic or memory type puzzles rather than Resident Evil type puzzels.
You can easily combine the adventure game format with action platforming or turned based RPG combat and change up the genera.

Luis Peterson
Luis Peterson

I'm a game developer and… I hate to say it but if you don't make shit dumbed down with forced tutorials and "put shape into hole" tier puzzles game reviewers will bomb your score and steam reviewers will bomb your score, which hurts sales. If you do not force players to go through tutorials, many will have no interest in exploring mechanics on their own, and will rush to YouTube at the first sign of needing to think. So it's both the fact that mouth breathers hate being challenged and will make other people scared to buy, but also that crafting interesting challenges is more meaningless when people will just look it up in a minute anyway.

I sometimes put ARG like puzzles into our games but no one ever solves them either……….

Josiah Young
Josiah Young

You also can't put a fucking raised block in a platforming game and expect a """journalist""" to complete it

Cameron Reed
Cameron Reed

So it's both the fact that mouth breathers hate being challenged and will make other people scared to buy, but also that crafting interesting challenges is more meaningless when people will just look it up in a minute anyway.
So what's the point of even making games anymore?

Angel Wood
Angel Wood

Standard adventure games have the same damn problems, just in another format
You can easily combine the adventure game format with action platforming or turned based RPG combat and change up the genera.
I'm glad you agree

Charles Martinez
Charles Martinez

you're fucking illiterate
Have you considered you're incapable of communicating effectively? You equated playing guideless to playing with one arm behind your back, and then explicitly said that anything that can be completed using a guide requires no skill or intelligence. If there's some profound understanding behind your posts you're not revealing it, you're coming across as a retard.

Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson

Standard adventure games have the same damn problems, just in another format
Do you mean that people will just look up guides instead of doing it legit?

Anthony Hall
Anthony Hall

Considering how this has devolved into discussions about puzzels and solutions, I decided to give my two cents, because I am an attention whore faggot, I guess.
I have played some point and click adventure games, and a few puzzle games(like Layton or Quarn) and I mostly try to solve them without any walkthrough or external help, however I sometimes reach I point where I can't figure out the solution or what to do next. Sure i could spend days or even weeks trying to find the solution to that one puzzle, but honestly I don't think it's worth it, the puzzle probably isn't even that hard and it's just that I didn't find one item hidden behind one obscure box, or maybe I just didn't understand the puzzle. I am sure there are other more fun puzzles, or maybe I want to see how the story progresses, so I don't see any reason of getting stuck on one dumb puzzle.
On the other hand, I don't use a walkthrough to give me the precise solution, instead I use uhs-hints.com/ which is a website that gives you hints on certain puzzles or on certain places so you know what to do next. It's starts with vague clues, and you can read more and more hints, until it gives you the solution. I think this is a nice compromise.

On a related note, I recently started playing Myst for the first time, and decided to play the entire game without any hints, even if it will take me years to complete it. I am still in the beginning trying to figure out how to open the library at the top(I know I have to spin the top part, but no matter in which angle I place it, the door is still locked). I am not just playing this game, I am also playing other games in between, but I am sure that at one point I am going to figure out the puzzle. Actually without even thinking I read a post by an user here that said that I have to use the switches as well, so I guess I broke my rule of no hints.

Ayden Thomas
Ayden Thomas

anything that can be completed using a guide requires no skill or intelligence
If a guide can reduce player input to just parroting the written instructions, like it always does in any puzzle game, then that's objectively true
A locked door doesn't require you to find a key if a card from your walled does the trick just fine

Gabriel Price
Gabriel Price

Solving an equation requires no intelligence because somebody else could tell you the answer and the necessary steps to reach it. Winning a debate requires no intelligence because somebody else could supply you with the answers while you do nothing but recite them.

Come on user, there is no way you're this obstinate. If you realized how wide of a net you were casting, how many aspects of ANY game could be trivialized by consulting a guide, you wouldn't play any games at all.

Logan Flores
Logan Flores

That shitty fucking program
I remember them charging money back in the day for that. Just use gamefaqs or YT, jesus

Carson Phillips
Carson Phillips

even if it will take me years to complete it
How difficult did people tell you this game was? It takes like an afternoon, maybe two.

Benjamin Nguyen
Benjamin Nguyen

I still don't get how that affects me, personally.
I didn't use a guide for games like Spacechem, Shenzhen, Swapper, Talos or La Mulana. If someone else made a guide for the games, or datamined and revealed some secrets, how exactly does that affect me if I never look those things up?
I don't get the argument that devs shy away from secrets now that people do datamining too. Logically the same amount of people who find a secret that no one else does could be the same amount of people who find a secret without the use of a guide or datamining.

Samuel Jenkins
Samuel Jenkins

i fak your mom

Dylan Cooper
Dylan Cooper

I am not the smartest guy either.

Jaxon Richardson
Jaxon Richardson

I don't get the argument that devs shy away from secrets now that people do datamining too.
That I get, because is talking pragmatically about where you would and would not want to spend time and resources during development. It totally makes sense that you wouldn't want to put a lot of effort into an obstacle that most people will just skip over. I don't get the other guy arguing that any obstacle that can be skipped over is bad in principle, I don't think shitty player behavior necessarily invalidates something that would have been challenging in isolation.

Charles Cooper
Charles Cooper

Shit I misquoted the wrong wall of text, it was this guy

David Flores
David Flores

I didn't use a guide for games like Spacechem, Shenzhen, Swapper, Talos or La Mulana. If someone else made a guide for the games, or datamined and revealed some secrets, how exactly does that affect me if I never look those things up?

<Retards don't put in effort
<Game gets dumbed down
<Devs get lazier
<Another series is ruined by casuals

Carson Anderson
Carson Anderson

If that's the case then they lost a customer and I can find some other game to be invested in.
I mean no one really guarenteed a game being good equals an eternally good series.

John Powell
John Powell

No, it literally doesn't matter, because casuals and faggots outnumber you 5:1. Where have you been since 2007?

Jose Cruz
Jose Cruz

At some point it'll happen, you know?
My thinking is that yes, casuals and faggots may outnumber me tenfold, but then there's also the possibility that shitty devs and casual devs outnumber the good devs 10:1 as well. And it's that 1 dev that makes a game that's worthwhile to me.
I mean shit if someone made a game that's good, and then made a sequel that completely falls in comparision it tells me the first game was a fluke and no matter what the dev would have done the second game would still have disappointed because they just don't give a shit or external reasons(publishers) prevent them from doing so.

Owen Sullivan
Owen Sullivan

This is a puzzle from Lufia 2, which is the best RPG for puzzles. You have to move the blocks to get the chest block to the front where you can open it. The majority of puzzles are required but this one is an optional one.

Brayden Lopez
Brayden Lopez

Also, Riven has the greatest puzzle of all time, never to be matched throughout history. The entirety of the game builds up to it. Explaining would ruin it however.

Isaac Green
Isaac Green

alan turing died for this.jpg

Jordan Reyes
Jordan Reyes

AAA games are made for mentally handicapped people

If you keep playing that shit you will end up one as well

Lucas Evans
Lucas Evans

Expecting Wolfenstein nu to be any good
Your first mistake was that
Expecting there to be any challenging gameplay for a game that is basically pandering to SJW numales to fufill their wet dreams of mowing down nazis with huge guns that they could never in a million years have the strength to hold let alone shoot

What were you really expecting?

Henry Ramirez
Henry Ramirez

<thank g-d i only play only intelligent and mature indie games like The Witness or Firewatch for intelligent and mature indians like myself

Alexander Gutierrez
Alexander Gutierrez

He aint wrong though. If you're used to dumb shit you'll get dumb.

Jordan Anderson
Jordan Anderson

First time playing Bioshock I thought that card puzzle was actually something hard and I'd have to do something with numbers and symbols there

Charles Gomez
Charles Gomez

I get mostly frustrated when I know what the game wants me to do, I can clearly see the objective and I follow the steps but then get stuck because I failed to do some obscure event in the sequence. I was recently play Gray Matter and it's an okay adventure game, well written, though the 2D stills from the cutscenes and the VA are really bad. It does a good job of giving the player clear and logical objectives they are supposed to follow, for the most part, but there are a few instances where it telegraphs what you're supposed to be doing next rather poorly, and the end with the shitty maze is just there for padding.

Austin Jones
Austin Jones

playing video games at all
Video games make you dumber. All kinds of video games.

Ryan Collins
Ryan Collins

Are you fucking dumb? Vidya don't exactly make you into a fucking Einstein but they don't damage what's already there.

Landon Hall
Landon Hall

Back then we had to find dumb e-celebs for examples of how to not play a game, nowadays all I need to do is visit Polygon or IGN.

Lucas Wright
Lucas Wright

You will never be this stupid
This is literally Fisher-Price levels of complexity.
If you have difficulty with this puzzle you have literal actual brain damage.

Oliver Brooks
Oliver Brooks

skyrim
You mean LA noir?

Logan Rogers
Logan Rogers

I remember Cogs being pretty good towards the end. Older game, but decent.

Wyatt Howard
Wyatt Howard

you have difficulty with this puzzle you have literal actual brain damage.
I thought that was pretty clear when they said they bought it. And on a ps4 no less; overpriced and playing an FPS with a controller

Joshua Torres
Joshua Torres

You know that women and minorities worked VERY HARD on that, right?

Silly user, the game was made by white guys. The only black people in the game are entirely CG, so the development team was never in any real danger.

Jaxson Gutierrez
Jaxson Gutierrez

that 10 sec pause
Lauffin

Anthony Torres
Anthony Torres

I really hope this is bait.

Julian Robinson
Julian Robinson

That's a retarded argument user. Anyone can look up the guide to any game and invalidate your work, unless it's a game that relies a lot on random generation and unexpected problem solving like Dwarf Fortress or a multiplayer game. May as well only make those games.

Jeremiah King
Jeremiah King

One of the best puzzles in history. I think I remember reading that this puzzle originated in ancient China somewhere. I used to have a physical one of these made of wood.

Brayden Jenkins
Brayden Jenkins

Just to be a contrarian, point and click are fucking shit nowadays user. 90% of them suffer from the randumlolfunny combining of stuff that not even mcguyver so you end up with a circus pole, a corkscrew a empty vodka bottle and some old cheese to open a window! And the cheese is only to be eaten. Ain't that funny? Aren't we so quirky? so you end up finding everything you can pick up, take it and just waste time combining one by one and see what's going to happen

Rather then have a logical combination like grim fandango where you need a empty animal balloon and a air pump to stop the kid from crying..so yeah I glad p&c are a dead genre, no one can do puzzle properly so fuck that

Jacob Morales
Jacob Morales

A+ for effort but you're fishing in empty waters. Now inspect my digits.

Posting OC.

Isaac Peterson
Isaac Peterson

I don't think would be possible to make a game without any guide….unless you make the normalfag accept a NDA with a click at the at the start and shut down any guide that pops up or sue anyone that make a jewtube video on it

Evan Thompson
Evan Thompson

I remember entering one of those tombs with turn tables with different symbols you have to arrange in a certain pattern. I looked around the room, checked out the walls and tried to match the animals symbols according to them. Actually the solution is on the bottom of the key you insert into the puzzle and I didn't know that because I never figured out you could rotate items. I didn't expect something so blatant.

mfw too smart/dumb for skyrim puzzles

James Robinson
James Robinson

I guess you never lived through adventure games in the 80s and 90s. Let me tell you, the amount of illogical bullshit they threw at you was maddening. Some games I have no idea how people completed without widespread access to the internet. Adventure games made by Lucas were actually famous because they didn't rely on bullshit to pad out the game length. I'll take quirky shit over obnoxious puzzles and sadistic and pointless deaths any day of the week.

Anthony Allen
Anthony Allen

tfw solving the turny thing puzzles without even looking at the symbols
you probably won't have to rotate more than one piece two times
the other pieces won't both have to be turned the same number of times
the first one needs to be the untouched one so you don't accidentally solve the puzzle prematurely
they wouldn't have the number of turns go from 0 to 1 to 2 in order
it must be 0 2 1 turns
mfw when I'm right

Austin Carter
Austin Carter

I will take "what if I combine this with this? Or this same item with that? Or this with that" till you find what you need and use it
over "I need a box to step on this broken ladder and plastic to make a mold key to open the door on top of the ladder"
No user, I guess you are infected with casualism. I'm sorry, it's terminal

Gavin Garcia
Gavin Garcia

Modern puzzles aren't designed for people capable of critical thinking. This is important to realize, because it's easy to assume that critical thinking is something that all people are capable of.
The truth is that the average person can't even match color-coded plugs to color-coded sockets, because they were never trained in (((school))) to stop and think. Thinking to these people is an emotional act, not a cerebral one.

Easton Ramirez
Easton Ramirez

I do that sort of shit a lot for shitty puzzles, it doesn't make me feel smart, it just makes me think that the person who designed the puzzle is boring and predictable.

Camden Flores
Camden Flores

You're the one with brain damage, the user in question was clearly fucking joking hence the PS4 mention

Hunter Morris
Hunter Morris

Criminally underchecked.

Ethan Scott
Ethan Scott

point and click are fucking shit nowadays
You take that back, it is much better than it used to be back in the day.

Blake Ward
Blake Ward

I want to say that the last puzzle game I actually enjoyed was probably Talos Principle and that was quite a while back. Either devs suck at making puzzle games, they don't want to, or both.

Jason Foster
Jason Foster

Its both
Even Nips barely do them anymore

Elijah Cox
Elijah Cox

Why can't we just have optional journalist modes?

Jackson Morris
Jackson Morris

The enigma machine isn't really meant to be hard. It's just a mini game.

Adam Hall
Adam Hall

It's not a game, it's an insult

Liam Adams
Liam Adams

Ross, is that you?

James Gray
James Gray

point and click are fucking shit nowadays user. 90% of them suffer from the randumlolfunny combining of stuff.

Like it was back in the days except few exceptions, Discworld being one of the biggest offenders in the history of point & click.

Jayden Sanchez
Jayden Sanchez

And dipshits still got stumped. Gamefaqs on release day was like spying on some African tribal village with a drone.

Aaron Nguyen
Aaron Nguyen

And you use Deponia as an example of this? The game where the humor is unbearably lolsorandomXD, which is a pretty damn big problem when it's supposed to be a comedic point and click. The game where the main character is both a complete moron that gets shown up by the women at all times and an actively malicious asshole (compare to Guybrush, who occasionally caused problems for others but didn't go around doing it deliberately just to be a cunt).

Michael Wright
Michael Wright

Being gay

Jeremiah Phillips
Jeremiah Phillips

Singleplayer games are dead. Only legit challenge comes from other players. Round 1, fight!

Jose Cooper
Jose Cooper

Not liking cute boys in cute clothes

Nicholas Martinez
Nicholas Martinez

I don't want to interact with other players. Or at least I don't want to be forced to interact with them.

Julian Anderson
Julian Anderson

That a game has some girl with a fucked up face does not inherently make it good, retard. There are a whole lot of games that both are better as games and have more attractive girls.

Grayson Rodriguez
Grayson Rodriguez

I will never like niggers but I'm glad that they at least resist against faggotry.

Lucas Reyes
Lucas Reyes

God, Riven. Because of that game I still check behind doors in other games and in real life too.

Ethan Taylor
Ethan Taylor

Do visual novel dialogue paths count as puzzles?
When feminists made that idiotic article about how games need to reward emotional mastery instead of mechanical mastery, visual novels were the first thing to come to mind.

Jayden Roberts
Jayden Roberts

acting like a nigger wont help it tho

Robert Martin
Robert Martin

resist
Blacks are the race with the most homosexuals user.
Kinky.

Aiden Cooper
Aiden Cooper

Why are swedes so assmad about Poles?
William, look at your hateful, white, fat, greedy jew-eating child abuser, kill him goylem!·
Enigma code is like a child's toy ecksdee

Parker Wright
Parker Wright

no facts to back up the most gays
Sure it's Russian chickens here

Charles Long
Charles Long

That post is fucking hideous.

"Urgh why are you thinking, thinking is sooo last century."

I ache for the day this retard has to scratch out a living in the dirt with FUCK NOTHING in his head. In a post societal collapse situation I'd use him for meat if he weren't a fatass DYEL, maybe hang him in a cage outside to lure away zombies.

Blake Clark
Blake Clark

eating trash
Shiggy.

Brandon Brown
Brandon Brown

I know people who think the puzzles in Legend of Grimrock are too hard.

Alexander Evans
Alexander Evans

This reads like it was written by a 15-year-old who ran into his room after his stepdad yelled at him.

John Evans
John Evans

An user with good tastes.

Henry Baker
Henry Baker

Well it was written by a 35 year old who stands by it.

Anthony Cruz
Anthony Cruz

Make them play Eye of the Beholder and watch them drop it in the first 10 minutes.
Recommend them the GBA version for even more laughs.

Gavin Brown
Gavin Brown

the GBA version
How the fuck would that even work? Isn't mouse control mandatory in that game?

Josiah Richardson
Josiah Richardson

the fuck? does that chick have fetal alcohol syndrome or something?

what, is my liking cute girls too gay for a man of your stature?

Brody Bell
Brody Bell

You know that women and minorities worked VERY HARD on that, right?
I just want to say, this gave me a hearty giggle. One of the collectables in the game is literally just mugshots of the developers dressed up, there wasn't a single POC present, and soyfaces as far as the eye could see. God damn, I fucking hated this game.

Alexander Allen
Alexander Allen

hence the PS4 mention
There's sonyggers everywhere on Holla Forums, especially the monster hunter threads.

Nicholas King
Nicholas King

Rufus is not actively malicious, he just has no sense of self-preservation or any respect for life as a result of a fuckup during birth. It is comedic, but it is mostly dark humor, and I would expect people to understand it since the first thing you do in each of those games is crush the main character with a press.

You have to admit that unlike Monkey Island most of the puzzles make perfect sense and it is clear what you need to do. I lost about 20 minutes thinking what I needed to do with the lamp leg in Tales (I had to spill hot sauce on it, then bring it to some place in a forest so it would attract a lion).

Jace Smith
Jace Smith

Lucas Arts games and yes I know that one was made by telltale were always notorious for having incomprehensible solutions to certain puzzles.

Nathaniel Perry
Nathaniel Perry

Rufus is not actively malicious, he just has no sense of self-preservation or any respect for life as a result of a fuckup during birth.
You're talking like he isn't a fictional character that was deliberately written that way by someone.

Ethan Rogers
Ethan Rogers

What Ross are you talking about?

Easton Green
Easton Green

Ross' Game Dungeon, probably?

Austin Hill
Austin Hill

Depending on the game, it trains your mind to think less. Why do you think we have a huge influx of tumblrites in it?

Nolan Scott
Nolan Scott

That's not all of them though. I doubt something like Dwarf Fortress allows your brain to atrophy.

Landon Anderson
Landon Anderson

SH2 hardest puzzle mode was just so, so satisfying. With pen and paper and deduction, trying to figure out with my not-perfect English what was going on. Hardest mode coin puzzle is still my favorite.

David Gutierrez
David Gutierrez

The only games tumblrites like are the ones that they're told to like. Vidya wasn't what made these people stupid.

Robert Diaz
Robert Diaz

games make you stupid
this is proved by the stupid people who play them
the same people demanding games be dumbed down
Really makes you think

Austin Bell
Austin Bell

Jesus fucking christ. Just end it now, I can't continue like this. THIS IS A FUCKING PUZZLE? I'VE BEEN STANDING HERE FOR TWENTY MINUTES ATTEMPTING TO COMPREHEND. WHY DID GOD ABANDON US. KID CHAMELEON PLEASE JUST TAKE ME TO THE WILD SIDE

Tyler Reed
Tyler Reed

youtu.be/WjzMFafm_A0

Gabriel Martinez
Gabriel Martinez

You bring up an interesting problem, puzzles that are so easy they take you longer to solve because you severely overestimate them.

Brody Brown
Brody Brown

I've had this multiple times playing through the tomb raider reboot it's so bland holy shit

Cooper Myers
Cooper Myers

Wait a minute that card

Brandon Murphy
Brandon Murphy

oh fuck you're right because i played that one too and i was trying really hard to get into it, so i was taking my time and examining the scene and just taking it all in and then the game highlighted something i was supposed to look at before i got to it naturally

Leo Cooper
Leo Cooper

Remember your first tower of hanoi?

Caleb Perry
Caleb Perry

The only puzzle more stock than this one is the "fill a 4 gallon jug with 5 and 3 gallons" from Die Hard.

Samuel Torres
Samuel Torres

Or the "get all switches turned on but turning one switch also makes the adjacent ones turn" which coincidentally was also in kotor.

Michael Brown
Michael Brown

I really enjoy Puzzles like that, It was a lot of fun, and I got it on the first try.

Noah Cook
Noah Cook

Mass Effect Andromeda had alien sudoku

Carter Williams
Carter Williams

The Secret Island of Dr. Quandary

wish better images were available

Robert Sanders
Robert Sanders

The early Silent Hill games were wildly popular and had some hard puzzles.

I don't know why the devs think they have to dumb everything down to be popular. Don't they want people to actually play the game?

Camden Powell
Camden Powell

Modern devs are too occupied with trying to send a message with their games to do anything that would result in less people getting the full message. Difficulty and puzzles and skill all stop players from hearing the rest of your SJW marxist manifesto.

Christian Lee
Christian Lee

I can't see the bulge.

Cameron Wilson
Cameron Wilson

I wish more games did it like SH2 and 3 and let you decide how hard you want your puzzles to be

I want puzzles to make you have to know Shakespeare again

Blake Gutierrez
Blake Gutierrez

It's the same reason they fall for social justice bullshit. Lots of insecurities and projection.

Caleb Brooks
Caleb Brooks

"I want puzzles to make you have to know Shakespeare again>"

Wanting puzzles on par with the RE 1 Moonlight Sonata puzzle, only with an actual piano.

Wanting this WILLINGLY
When will we find the answer to "The Dork Question"?

Connor Hughes
Connor Hughes

2x2x2
Thanks, i hate video games now

Sebastian Thomas
Sebastian Thomas

Wasn't it the call of duty guys who said they wouldn't make a ww1 game because they were afraid their userbase wouldn't know what ww1 was?

Nolan Martinez
Nolan Martinez

Those don't even make sense from an in-game perspective. Why have both a key and a password if the password is written on the key?

Julian Young
Julian Young

have trouble with a puzzle that they literally solved for you in the fucking trailers

Hudson Morgan
Hudson Morgan

Am i the only one who likes simple minigames/"puzzles" like pic related?
I swear i even sort of liked the whole dialogue-wheel "minigame" in Oblivion!

Ethan Thomas
Ethan Thomas

Just playing devil's advocate here. But was that bell part ever supposed to be considered a puzzle?

Honestly just seems like a story sequence to me, sky-rapture requires a password to enter so not just anyone can end up there, your character happens to have said password printed on a card so he can do his mission. Surely it would have made more sense to have built a meme poking fun at brain-dead vidya puzzles around an example of a puzzle that was legitimately pretending to be something to challenge the player despite being laughably simplistic?

Gavin Rogers
Gavin Rogers

Which version of Myst should I be playing? There's at least 4 versions not including console ports.

Hudson Hall
Hudson Hall

It wouldnt have gotten the flak it did if you dont ACTUALLY PULL OUT A FUCKING CARD. You literally see the "password" to that shit just before. When I first bothered with that game I just made a mental note and then booker goes "wait a minute that card". That shit felt insulting.

Alexander Stewart
Alexander Stewart

Wishful thinking is dangerous, user.

Connor Collins
Connor Collins

not playing the doubles' advocate

Joshua Hernandez
Joshua Hernandez

It's why Telltale for instance with their adventure games, have zero puzzles whatsoever. It's just story/cutscenes and some inventory pickups that you use periodically.
whenever puzzles are brought up in the context of video games people tend to highlight extremely bad examples like puzzles in Point and Click games that are mostly guesswork. I know a ton of people who outright refuse to play point and click games entirely because they're afraid of bad puzzles
I remember years ago someone from TTG did a test of the opening level of one of 3D Sam & Max games on their non-gaming mother (or mother in law) to see how they react to those types of point and click absurd puzzles, she couldn't even complete it with out help.

While it looks like a it's a take on the phrase putting a square peg in a round hole, the mallet head looks like it could just fit in the round hole.

The majority of puzzles are required but this one is an optional one.
Wish more games would do this. I remember playing Resident Evil 4 the first time and getting stuck on the puzzle behind the graveyard/church area and just moving on, not understanding what it's objective was. In a 2nd playthrough (years later) realized what info I need to solve it family crests of twin gravestones to solve the puzzle and get some treasure that could be sold for money.

Remember someone got their 12 sister who never played video games to play Portal 2 and she managed to solve both puzzles in 3 minutes. (skip to 2:30 and possibly mute the video, wish someone had the original).

hooktube.com/watch?v=HRi2wiav_d4

Nathan King
Nathan King

You stick the round head of the hammer into the hole.

What do I win?

Jeremiah Richardson
Jeremiah Richardson

It could still be done a lot better, but oblivion's is one of the best lockpicking minigames

Then fallout 4 ruined it by having that shitty boring minigame that bethesda kept using because it was easier for braindead retards and more "immersive"

Kevin Thomas
Kevin Thomas

That wasn't my first, but I remember it.

Cameron Butler
Cameron Butler

My first one was in some eroge VN on DS

Adrian Lee
Adrian Lee

How did 4 change it? I'd figure they kept the lockpicking from 3.

Charles Wood
Charles Wood

i think he meant 3 bot pressed 4 due to proximity of those buttons.

Brayden Williams
Brayden Williams

I meant 3

Ryan Roberts
Ryan Roberts

What are those puzzles in vid related called again? i fucking spend an hour trying it and failed and then finished it in one minute the next day. those can fuck off, tbh smh fam
He probably did a typo

Jackson Carter
Jackson Carter

The devs played it as "The puzzle game for smart gamers" and that was the closest thing to a puzzle in the entire game, so yes, at least they think it was a puzzle.
To be honest though, I wouldn't have had any problem with it if either was a cutscene, you had to remember the sequence, or you had to use your inventory.
You can look at the paper for how long you want, so most people deduced you had to remember it, then you reach the door and he instantly pulls it out for a "you have the paper silly, why would you need to remember it?" moment, but then it makes the player actually ring the bells, which was just pointless and felt like a tutorial for nothing. It's like someone picked you up and carried you half the country straight to your house, unlocked the door for you, but then went "you're a big boy, and big boys open the door alone! Go on champ, open the door, I unlocked it for you!".
To delve deeper into the ways I mentioned
if either was a cutscene
This would've played greatly into your "it's a sekrit club, you need a password". Just have the player take the boat to the lighthouse, maybe even let him walk around like you already can, just to let him look at the scenery, then, once he walks to the door, have him take out the card -without the "wait a minute, that card", as if you had to think about anything to do that- and input an intricate password. Making the player do that pointless thing and having a easy password completely ruin the moment.
you had to remember the sequence
The wind blows the card away or something, so you actually need to think. It'd completely screw players who are retards -a big no no for publishers- and the password would probably need to be simple, so no intricate sekrit password, just a simple password to remember that you could easily brute force.
or you had to use your inventory
It's been a while since I played it, but I do remember there were at least an inventory for weapons. You didn't have any weapon at the time, so occupying one slot with the card wouldn't be a problem. You could have a password as intricate as you'd like and it'd actually serve as a tutorial for something useful (teaching player how to select something in the inventory, as opposed to teaching the player to press e when the [PRESS E] message shows), that way it'd actually feel like you had to think a bit, even if it was really easy, and wouldn't baby the player too much. Who am I kidding, there'd be a message on the top left saying "The card is in your inventory, press 3 to select it" if they went with this decision.

Henry Powell
Henry Powell

I thought the sliding on ice puzzles in the older pokemon games were fun when I was a kid. They're hilariously simple in hindsight, but things that seemed difficult or fun as a child usually don't hold up well. The regi puzzles in RSE were great too, though I feel like if I knew what braille was back then it would have lost a lot of its charm. All of the fun in it was realizing that the dot patterns were an alphabet, and then using the stones to translate the patterns on the wall into regular text. If I had already known that it was an alphabet and not had to figure that part out on my own, the most fun part of the puzzle would have been lost.

get skeleton key
mash auto until it unlocks
They really didn't think that through. Having the skeleton key in your inventory should have disabled the ability to auto attempt it.

Ryan Long
Ryan Long

tfw solved all the puzzles in the new Tomb Raiders while inebriated easily

Skyrim
Wrong. It's Bioshock Infinite.
one puzzle in the entire game
the answer is on a card you stare at
it may as well just be part of the cutscene but they make you do it anyway

he had trouble with the claw "puzzles" even once

games shouldn't have cheats
IDDQD says fuck you.

/ign/index.html

Oblivion lockpicking was fucking terrible.
hurr let's just make it horribly unresponsive on mouse controls because this is where we start making console games with ports to PC and cut out shit like shadows from all versions because the xbox can't handle it

muh 3
That lockpicking game was far superior for the simple fact it actually works control-wise.

William Sanchez
William Sanchez

I loved Oblivion's lock-picking system, but I know the reason why they got rid of it. I've never seen any of my normalfag friends or family be able to consistently pick locks in that game. There were entire runs where i never broke a pick, yet i would see my father or friends sit there and go through 10-20 picks to get three tumblers up.

Camden Morgan
Camden Morgan

That lockpicking game was far superior for the simple fact it actually works control-wise.
If you think oblivion's didn't work then you just weren't gud

Jose Robinson
Jose Robinson

I hated it since it removed the point of the lockpicking skill. Same with Skyrim. It's not good game design when you can pick a master lock when your character has no lockpicking skill.

Samuel Gomez
Samuel Gomez

Yea it would make sense in a stealth game I liked splinter cells lockpicking but in a RPG it doesnt have a place. Shame most games got so far removed from their RPG roots.

Camden Butler
Camden Butler

move mouse
it floats around and doesn't do shit right
<hurr git gud

Evan Anderson
Evan Anderson

One of the books says the doors are just there to keep the draugr from wandering around.

Daniel Jenkins
Daniel Jenkins

The systems did clash, but there's no point to RPG abstractions just for their own sake when the action can actually be represented well in the game

John Allen
John Allen

But it didnt get represented well, you are also advocating for some homonogized game. A survival horror game where you control your character like its ryu or bayonetta is a bad idea as well inb4 it sounds unique so if you build a game around it shit would work

Ryan Lee
Ryan Lee

It's not represented well if it screws up the game balance. At least Fallout 3/NV didn't even let you attempt a lock/terminal unless you have a minimum amount of skill.

Owen Wright
Owen Wright

There should be a game like Baten Kaitos where you're a spirit helping the protagonist, and you can choose whether to let him solve problems with his own skills or take over and do it yourself.

Jaxon Anderson
Jaxon Anderson

you are also advocating for some homonogized game
I'm advocating for a video game that doesn't ape more pen and paper conventions than it needs to
A survival horror game where you control your character like a human that can do things a human would realistically want to and be able to do in that context instead of yet another glorified walking simulator with jumpscares

Alexander Gonzalez
Alexander Gonzalez

there are videos on youtube that teach normalfag fucktards how to solve it

How are people this stupid? The puzzle is straight fucking forward. I solved tougher shit as a 6 year old kid

Carson Long
Carson Long

Come on nigger, you can barely call that seppuku, I can do mentally in under a minute

Grayson Cox
Grayson Cox

Not making a puzzle where the only way to find the solution is in the trailer
Meryl's codec frequency will die from vidya history without leaving a legacy

Henry Hill
Henry Hill

used to play shit like the original Zelda as a 6 year old
easily dealt with shit like rooms full of enemies where the screen goes completely black except for the HUD
decades later, have a nephew
at 6 years old, he still can't read at all and can barely write his own name
the slightest effort required on his part sends him into a tantrum.
he watches people play games on youtube rather than play them himself to avoid making the effort to become literate
I don't know how this is happening, but people are getting stupider at a rate that makes Idiocracy look like a documentary rather than a comedy.

Ryder Rodriguez
Ryder Rodriguez

Take a look at this tinfoil conspiracy theorist lmao

Nathaniel Gray
Nathaniel Gray

Your neph probably has a smidgeon of nig blood in him.

Angel Thomas
Angel Thomas

Wrong. It's Bioshock Infinite.
never played it myself but i'm familiar with WAIT A MINUTE THAT CARD

Christopher Hughes
Christopher Hughes

Hawk, Snake, Whale "puzzle"
Dragon claw pictograph "puzzle"
It was neat the first time, cripplingly retarded how often that was copy and pasted.
More of them should have been like that Red Eagle sword part where you put the sword in the stone and it opens up the cave.
I'm trying to remember if there were any moments where there is a weakened wall and you shout out the wall to break it.
I feel liked there are 2 instances of that maybe but I could be imagining it.
I only remember one part where you need to leave something on a pressure plate to hold a door open.
There was a part in the dragonborn dlc where you pull chains that close off paths and open others that was more well designed than practically every other "puzzle" in the whole game.
I remember one of the Hawk, Snake, Whale puzzles where the answer is in a book and the book is in that very room with a light shining right on it.

Saying something was missing from Skyrim is one of the dumbest statements a person can say because of how obvious it is.

The greatest moment in that game to me was seeing someone placed a bag of money out of reach, but understanding you can hit it with an arrow or magic etc. and get it.

Dominic Sullivan
Dominic Sullivan

This isn't necessarily abnormal, dumb people have to come from somewhere. Sometimes when a man fills a woman with his spaghetti, the meatball that comes out is just ground meat with no tomato sauce.

Adrian Collins
Adrian Collins

I think there are better jokes with Italian cuisine
Sometimes when a man fills a woman with his alfredo, the fettuccine that comes out is especially thick

Gabriel Reed
Gabriel Reed

Both of the dlcs had pretty good puzzles in many of their dungeons, it's a testament to quality over quantity
Dragonborn in particular had a relatively neat dwemer puzzle about shooting switches to fill up a gauge without going over, and having to figure out how much each switch did, though it was still pretty easy and there was a journal nearby that solved half of it for you

Blake Martinez
Blake Martinez

Either the original or Masterpiece Edition, I've found the realMyst versions are a little unstable.

Ryder Richardson
Ryder Richardson

I don't know how this is happening
He's being programmed to embrace being enslaved to the welfare state. His parents have been programmed as well, which is why they don't spank him to stop him from tantruming.
You can observe the end result of this process in the average leftist. They are mindless slaves to the system that programmed them, and react to any issue with violent emotional outbursts.

Zachary Lewis
Zachary Lewis

Play some decent Japanese games, doujin or AA company
That, or go back to the time the west made decent games

Brandon Powell
Brandon Powell

YU-NO does that. The solution to one puzzle is in the opening movie.

Leo Peterson
Leo Peterson

This is an ontological problem that cannot be addressed without first looking at the social norms as they exist.
We're a society that has near instantaneous access to a wealth of information. There is no need for knowledge, common or not, due to the readily found information on the internet. By that token, the capacity for learning is not evolutionarily necessary for survival.
We are told what to believe, and then told that we should think for ourselves. The problem therein: if we think for ourselves, what good does it do if we never express it? We are told that conflict is to be avoided at all cost, and in every facet of our daily lives, we find that conflict is ignored after the fact rather than being addressed. There is no need for conflict when all ideals are correct. There is no need for argumentation when we are to keep our ideals to ourselves.
By and large, most children are left in schools for longer than any parent interacts with them face-to-face. Parents find there is less and less time to spend with our children during the day due to the need to work, but even when there is "free" time, parents find there are more pressing matters to attend to such as cooking meals or using their phones. Instead, we are leaving our children's parentage to teachers rather than doing it ourselves. Teachers may or may not want to teach. Those that want to teach will usually have an agenda of their own. Those that do not are cold and uncaring role-models.
The academic model of bringing the lowest common denominator up to speed rather than striving for excellence for each student, or the so-called "no child left behind" act, makes schools teach only the absolute basic of basics. When the basics fail, there is no leeway given to the schools as far as grades are concerned; and so they resort to shortcuts such as "common core". Shortcuts are taken to create grades rather than induce learning, which then translates to future generations taking shortcuts in thinking.
We’re doing it to ourselves. If we just stopped paying for internet-accessible phones and their associated plans, we’d likely stop the pattern and recover our average IQs.

Isaac Campbell
Isaac Campbell

Or secretly move the IQ bracket up in the tests because why not.

Andrew Wilson
Andrew Wilson

Are there still any games out there that have puzzles that are actually challenging?
Try anything by Zachtronics. Shenzhen I/O and Infinifactory are pretty good. The former's also got this neat custom solitaire gane. There's no undos and the game pretty much says "git gud" in response to that.
Unrelated, but I once heard Punch-Out Wii was designed as a puzzle game in the guise of a fighting game, but I've never played it so I dunno.

birds are smarter than babies at shape recognition
<babies can just bypass the puzzle altogether

Luke Walker
Luke Walker

The Dark Mod has an amazing lockpicking system. The lock makes a rattling sound with a repeating pattern (the tumlber also moves in a pattern) as you're picking it. You need to identify the pattern and release the lockpick use button during a short pause before the pattern begins again.

Levi King
Levi King

base the force amount on the stick to find the best position to unlock it
if you aren't quick enough the one that you have done will reset
I think splinter cell double agent had that type of lock picking. It's the best way and more game should have that feature

Henry Walker
Henry Walker

I still remember Silent Hill 1 piano puzzle to this day, thats how memorable it was. Nowadays you forget the shitty puzzles in a games as soon as you compete them because you never used your brain to begin with.

Jace Gray
Jace Gray

Portal 2 puzzles aren't meant to be difficult, I believe the second game was just pure story with a few twists. Not what Portal is supposed to be, but in their defense, the execution of the story was brilliant. Especially the final sequence.

The last scene was breathtaking because it takes a concept you're 100% used to and have utilized for hours, and cranks it to a fucking million in a single "oh shit" moment.

Grayson Scott
Grayson Scott

I'm sorry, don't watch that one, it lacks the soundtrack and as a result feels lackluster.

Here's the right vid

Matthew Ross
Matthew Ross

God I fucking love how the superior intellect is also much fucking dumber. Sorta like comparing stereotypical AI to humans.

"Human, I've calculated the solution to our prob-" - "I smashed this shit the fuck up, let's go."

Ian Ortiz
Ian Ortiz

I remember when i reached my first "puzzle door" in Skyrim.
I was like "oh yeah, a puzle! I guess i neeed to figure out the combination by checking these old walls"
15 min and nothing makes sense
goes to inventory (that horrible shit what they dared to call inventory)
find out i can check items
slowly turn the fucking claw
OH NOOOO!
there is no puzzle…
just a fucking gimmick for the horrible inventory system
Todd probably the most fortunate son of a bitch on this planet, because if i wouldn't live in the other side of the wolrd i would drive to their headquoter and would beat the living shit from him in my drunk rage. Fucking gnom manlet nigger!

Brody Gonzalez
Brody Gonzalez

i remembers when i ams reached my first puzzles doors in Skyrims
i was likes "oh yeah a puzle! I guess I'm needs to figures outs the combination by checkings this old walls"
15 mins and nothing make sense
finds outs i can checks items
slowly turns the fuckings claw
OH NOEES
there is no puzle
just a fuckings gimmick for the horrible inventories systems

Todd probably the most fortunates sons of a dildoes on this planets, because if I wouldn't lives on the other side of the wolrd I would drives to their headquoter and would beats the livings shits from him in my drunk rage. Fucking ghom manlet dildoe!

Owen Clark
Owen Clark

Maybe hes just retarded?

Jeremiah Campbell
Jeremiah Campbell

Wait a minute…that card….

Jacob Perez
Jacob Perez

user, children will learn if they are taught. This kid is an adult that hasn't grown up yet. This sounds to me like a severe case of internet for a babysitter.

I was a victim of a complete opposite approach. I was taught how to read at age 3-4 nearly by force. I was forcefed education with fucking beatings until I was like 13. When I didn't understand something, my dad would explain it one more time, and if I didn't understand it still, he'd fucking sit me down with a pen and make me stare at a piece of paper "until I understood'. I never did end up understanding shit, so he'd beat the shit out of me.

The point is, the kids learn if they're taught. They're fucking sponges, you just gotta be methodical, patient and give them time to understand. Let them understand the usefulness of the data. I absolutely hated reading as a small child. Then, I was a bookworm ages 8-12. I absolutely hated math because my dad was an asshole, and now I'm a programmer. I absolutely hated English as a kid, but then I learned it by myself through shitty pirated games, and practiced it until I got rid of my Russian accent.

Teaching in itself is a discipline. You need to be good about how you present information to a child. If you manage to hook their interest, they'll digest that info in fucking zero time.

Jordan Smith
Jordan Smith

headquoter

Jaxson Price
Jaxson Price

That wouldn't happen. Todd would shout you apart.

Nolan Collins
Nolan Collins

FUS-RO-BUY FALLOUT 4

Kevin Scott
Kevin Scott

I'll buy 4 copies of Fallout New Vegas.

Jackson Lewis
Jackson Lewis

But that only got a Metacritic™ score of 84, while Fallout 4™ has an 88. Don't you want the better game?

Hunter Ross
Hunter Ross

I want the game with more RPG features. You know what an RPG feature is, Rod Broward?

Dominic Adams
Dominic Adams

Of course. The Dynamic Dialog™ and Immersive Environment™ of Fallout 4™ make it one of the best RPG™s ever!

Robert Mitchell
Robert Mitchell

Silly goy, stats get in the way of roleplaying. Now if you want the true RPG experience, just listen to voice acting brought to you by the guy who played the main character in that Total Recall remake.

Asher Powell
Asher Powell

Well I'm convinced. I'll pirate Fallout 4!

Gavin Foster
Gavin Foster

Reported to the Todd you shitlord manbaby, give the Bethesda™ deserves every penny for their hard work on Fallout 4

Levi Clark
Levi Clark

Then you'll miss out on great features like the Creation Club™ and Achievements™. Surely you wouldn't do such a foolish thing!

Brandon Young
Brandon Young

I'm well aware that there are children who love learning and just haven't been alive long enough to get there. My nephew isn't one of these cases. It's true he has a shitty family situation at home that doesn't help anything, but he himself has zero interest in learning. His grandmother and I tried for a month to use his favorite things to get him interested in reading, but he would just scream and cry every time. The same woman who had me reading by 4 gave up on this kid because it's so obvious he just doesn't want to learn.

Brandon Ramirez
Brandon Ramirez

Sounds like the kid has emotional issues. He's just unhappy. When you're unhappy, everything is about trying to find the easiest, shortest path to comfort. This applies to all ages, from toddlers to old people.

Josiah Gonzalez
Josiah Gonzalez

I hate to say it because it's overused here, could it literally be autism? Or even some form ADD? It seems concerning he can't read and barely write his own name at 6, unless his frustration over not being able to read (has he been vision tested?) prevents him from learning other material.
Major props to the grandma and you for trying to get him to learn to read though.

Asher Reed
Asher Reed

Cell lab on mobile has nice puzzles.

Carson Hernandez
Carson Hernandez

Skyrim could had use these pictures on the walls for puzzles
High Priest would mean dragon, picture of deers in the forest wolf and so on
eventually you could get some things disconnected obviously
You would need to learn either through environment or journals archaeologist left what it meant
<you have picture of a lake/sea
<obviously you pick whale
<actually it is snake as people here praised giant water serpent
<You actually fight serpent in the end of the dungeon
such solution is even idiot friendly as you can power through each puzzle as it has total of 27 combinations
Could you imagine how cool it would be for all these books to actually mean something instead of being just side trivia? All these people calling this game immersive but in reality it is puddle deep world with game best used for porn.
I want Bethesda Entertainment to die. At least they are quickly killing their modding community.

Colton Brown
Colton Brown

The dynamic dialogue of 4 is indeed a more rpg-ish detail than the walls of texts while stuck on place from the previous games. You faggots bitch and moan but dont even understand what a rpg game is

Angel Sanders
Angel Sanders

HATE NEWSPAPERS

Ethan Howard
Ethan Howard

rooting around for examples of good puzzles in games to copy or emulate
<all idiocracy tier or just plain bad
most game puzzles are so simple they're basically a key turn replacement to make brainlets think they did a thing.

feed me good puzzles. something to copy that isn't a candycrush matcher, mini blackout, or guess who. pipedreams are over used but still kinda fun.

Xavier Jenkins
Xavier Jenkins

B-But user you only need 1

Leo Anderson
Leo Anderson

[noun]?
snark
no
yes

Ian Rivera
Ian Rivera

Is this that retard journalist?

Adrian Price
Adrian Price

18 years of experience.

Noah Russell
Noah Russell

Funny isn't it?
Before Skyrim most of the books in TES were tutorial tips cleverly disguised as lore books. Most of them even gave you hints and answers for the quests and enemies. while in Skyrim the new lore books hardly even make sense.

Thomas Anderson
Thomas Anderson

I figured it out in less than 30 seconds by just looking at your picture. Its true they are marketing this game for low functioning retards.
playing this game at all, even for free
Why?

John Lopez
John Lopez

Traps are gay.

Joshua King
Joshua King

No they weren't.

Andrew Parker
Andrew Parker

He is wrong about most but there definitely were plenty of books in morrowind that actually told you useful shit.

Jason Sanchez
Jason Sanchez

I thought the same thing, except I never actually thought of looking at the stupid claw in my inventory the entire first time I played the game, so ultimately I just brute forced all the doors figuring I just wasn't getting it.

There was a book in the first one saying the key is in your hand or something like that, but I figured it just meant the claw was the literal key to the door because those hints are never useful.

William Morgan
William Morgan

there is someone who was stumped by a bethesda puzzle

Sebastian Collins
Sebastian Collins

if you like puzzles here's a game for you

have fun getting stuck everywhere for hours because you can't figure out the puzzle

Jackson Moore
Jackson Moore

The entire Layton series actually makes you think a bit, and some of the later puzzles are fucking ridiculous but fun. Ironically it's supposed to be kids game but most adults actually struggle with some of the puzzles.

Daniel Cook
Daniel Cook

The ones that give you a skill increase?

Carter Brooks
Carter Brooks

Also play the one with "Azran" in the title, it's by far the hardest one. The first few have many famous puzzles you may have seen before elsewhere.

Hunter Howard
Hunter Howard

Slide puzzles. I used to hate these too before I learned the trick to them, now these puzzles are a complete joke.

Mason Gonzalez
Mason Gonzalez

It's got rectangles in it
Ah shit nevermind, I just looked at the thumbnail and assumed it was one of those typical slide puzzles. The objective is still the same as a sliding puzzle, but it looks like it uses the block shapes of a klotski puzzle. The puzzle in your vid can be completed in just 15 steps though so I don't think it's a good example of an infuriating puzzle.

Jackson Walker
Jackson Walker

rise from your grave

Jack Hughes
Jack Hughes

La-Mulana and Zachtronics games, Opus Magnum and Shenzhen I/O are relatively recent as well.

Michael Garcia
Michael Garcia

tfw you need advanced occult knowledge to solve puzzles in old gaems

Carter King
Carter King

Then there's the one in RE4 where you literally slide the obvious middle one into place then rotate the pieces around the edge a bunch.

Hexen is mostly key item fetchquests and switch hunting. Hexen II is the same with added tiny switch bullshit and the occasional text telling you something you need to know. Except for Part 3 in Thysis (not-Egypt) where it gets a lot more devious. My favourite part of that is how there's a destroyable wall with a hidden passageway, and the clue is that in the future version of the level it's exposed but caved in. It's a subtle hint compared to most of them.

Both games are at least fun though.

The autist in me can't stand it because that's not how pin tumbler locks work. Embarrassingly I recall Thi4f had it much closer. Also the mini-game as others have already said largely makes the skill pointless, except in some mods where you need a minimum skill level for certain locks.

Hunter Miller
Hunter Miller

That puzzle was fine. By the way Arx Fatalis is redpilled as fuck if you haven't noticed it yet.

Nolan Morgan
Nolan Morgan

No they don't you dumb fuck, they've got the highest rates of male/male sex of any group.

Brayden Miller
Brayden Miller

first one was actually on black & white.

Aiden Ramirez
Aiden Ramirez

What are Jews for $10

Jaxon Parker
Jaxon Parker

Common Core.jpg
that image literally looks like a prop test that would be in a 1984 adaptation where the character reads it and slowly as he scrolls down the page the brainwashing gets more and more extreme

Justin Bell
Justin Bell

the wants of an individual are less important than the well being of the nation
Well they're not wrong tbh

Elijah Sanchez
Elijah Sanchez

the last puzzle based game i played was Teslagrad
there are a couple of instances where you have to stop and think of what you are doing but most of the game's challenge comes, not from figuring out the solution to the puzzle, but from executing said solution
Then ther's P&C wich i love and higly recomend the Deponia series
to think puzzles were once one of the main hooks in vidya, i remeber back during the golden age of tank controlled survival horror games, the infamous Piano Puzzle in Silent Hill was the one thing everyone remeberedm even figuring out that i had to search for Merryl's codex code in the back of the game's box made me feel kinda smug for being a smart ass back when i firt played MGS
God of War, Prince of Persia, Tomb Raider, Uncharted, they all had puzzles, not very complicated puzzles mind you but interesting enough so that you wouldn't care if they were piss easy
you're problem m80
is that you went looking for puzzles on a FPS, and a current year FPS at that
the entire FPS genere is the most retarded P&C style of game there is, the only puzzle is "use gun on man"
if you're gonna complain about how brainless vidya has gotten, don't post vidya made to be brainless gunshooting fun they failed to even do that with Wolfestein
post some Telltale shit, those asshats claim they are the (((new eneration of P&C devs))) they are the ones who deserve scorn for their retarded puzzles

Nathaniel Reed
Nathaniel Reed

Germans can't meme

Carter Gutierrez
Carter Gutierrez

point and click are fucking shit nowadays user. 90% of them suffer from the randumlolfunny
nigger the genere has always been like this
you just don't hear about the shitty P&C games with illogical solutions cus they were shit and rightfully memory holed, Diskworld being an exception cus the game looked nice, had good production and had legendary bad puzzle design
same thing with RPG and FPS generes, most of what comes out is nothing but a linear grind fest but we only remeber the good ones
P&C are only special in the way that, if the game is badly made, it can be almost imposible to beat with out a guide, on the other hand anyone can get through a badly made game of any other genere with enough patience

Nolan Cox
Nolan Cox

puzzles that require external knowledge
puzzles that are "think outside the box"
puzzles that are bait for "think outside the box", but are actually extremely stupid
puzzles that are about the wording

Alexander Fisher
Alexander Fisher

You know the thing that kills Layton games for me isn't the puzzles, but the coins. Those fucking stupid ass coins that make you sit there for 15 seconds on every screen and randomly tap all the shit to get coins. Why? I don't know why. Why did they put them there? If they just didn't put them there I could sit back and relax and enjoy the game.

Elijah Jackson
Elijah Jackson

You know, this guy is onto something. Maybe if there were a demo we could try..

James Peterson
James Peterson

I figured it out in less than 30 seconds by just looking at your picture
Needing 30 seconds to figure it out is borderline retardation, and you think you're smart. I looked at the pic for 2 seconds and figured it out. Instances like these keep me aware people this stupid browse the board and pretend they are intelligent. Get on my level brainlets.

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