I've played a dozen games that have a heavy Shinto influence, but still have no...

Carter Diaz
Carter Diaz

I've played a dozen games that have a heavy Shinto influence, but still have no idea what it is or what it's about (if anything).

Is it just Japanese Paganism? Is it Nihilism? Is it traditionalism? Does it even have any common practices or established rules?

And why does every single game with Shinto themes in it end up being existential and depressing with the main character(s) losing everything? Is loss like this just an important part of the religion?

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Adam Taylor
Adam Taylor

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Logan Russell
Logan Russell

Essentially, every object has a spirit, some things, often tied to nature, are revered as gods. They must be respected and taken care of, lest neglect makes them turn evil. It's a pagan religion of a kind, but one that is observed through tradition more than strict worship like in judeo-christian religions.

Michael Bailey
Michael Bailey

judeo-christian
The term is "Abrahamic".

Landon Price
Landon Price

It's Japanese pantheistic paganism. They believe that objects and ancestors contain spirits, which they refer to as Kami, and various temples are built to various Kami, brought together under the banner of Shinto through their shared rituals. I might be wrong on these things, and I don't think there's many Shinto texts in English.

Gavin Young
Gavin Young

One of the terms is "Abrahamic".

Hudson Young
Hudson Young

Is that why so many of my japanese video games are "evil bad thing is happening because people are sinful, so you have to sacrifice yourself in a ritual to calm the gods' tits"

Oliver Perez
Oliver Perez

/wikipedia/

David Cooper
David Cooper

Even though Japan's official religion is "atheism" and more than half of the population are atheists the Shinto and Buddhist religions are still being practiced by many people today, albeit just for respect to the Japanese traditions more than actual worship.

Liam Howard
Liam Howard

Yes, corruption and purification are a central concept of shintoism. And it's less about people being sinful than it is about people stopping giving a shit about certain spirits so they become supremely buttmad and start cursing left and right. Purification rituals are about bringing back evil spirits to their intended state pretty much. Look up Tsukumogami, it's a yokai that sums up the entire thing pretty well.

Levi Wright
Levi Wright

So it's not really a religion so much as a collection of vague superstitions like "don't walk under a ladder or you'll get bad luck"

right?

Carson White
Carson White

Just a friendly reminder that there is no -ism added on to Shinto.

Ian Wright
Ian Wright

Also the Japanese quite dislike the concepts of one almighty god and strictly organized religion, which is why so many Japanese games are about killing god and/or the church being evil

Evan Hill
Evan Hill

which is why so many Japanese games are about killing god

I noticed that.

Joshua Robinson
Joshua Robinson

That's what I think it should be. Rituals have their place. They build a framework and create grounding and familiarity and tradition that keeps people and family together.
The background info becomes a shared cultural mythology that can be referenced and cited in various works that bring your books, movies, games, everything together under a familiar banner, but is no longer revered as strict fact, while the rituals involved, although no longer actually thought to literally bring rain, for example, now give you an excuse to have a small holiday with a water theme that may involve praying at a shrine before a wet t-shirt contest at a local swimming spot.
The move to eradicate religion and tradition and history because it's problematic is an attempt, either out of ignorance or malice, to eradicate a population and the people themselves.

Honestly OP, if you're interested in the Shinto stuff Yokai Watch might be worth a look. I think it's a stupid game, but the yokai themselves (basically ghosts) are all various (mostly Shinto folklore creatures and gods and the story involves dealing with them being upset and placating them and whatever.
If there was a non-kiddy version of Yokai with more mature monsters for a mature gamer such as myself, I would probably enjoy it, but the art style and presentation of Yokai Watch is a major turn off.

Nathan Rivera
Nathan Rivera

Yes, at its heart shinto is based on local folklore. There are some universal myths like Izanagi and Izanami, but the meat of it is stuff specifically tied to your local town, often the natural elements of it. Like, if some town has a neighboring mountain, you can be damn sure it has a powerful Kami and you're not supposed to fuck with it. It might sound like superstition because it technically is, but to the Japanese it's pretty much about showing respect, and when you stop showing respect, things start to go bad.
They don't necessarily take it as face value, it's still just tradition to most, but tradition is a more serious business in Japan than it is in the west. They're a pretty mystic people, all told.

Right, I forget.

Eli Kelly
Eli Kelly

If there was a non-kiddy version of Yokai

Toukiden?

Ian Price
Ian Price

I don't think there's many Shinto texts in English.
only the Kojiki and the Nihon Shoki
ones a collection of stories including creation myths and the laws of the gods, the other is a record of the first emperors intermixed with mythology

its a natural religion
organically developed
it shares many common themes with Ancient Greek and Celtic mythology
sort of the natural development of pantheistic organised religion practiced by agricultural societies vs the animistic shamanism of hunter gatherer nomads

Dominic Clark
Dominic Clark

So it's not really a religion so much as a collection of vague superstitions like "don't walk under a ladder or you'll get bad luck"

no, but even if it was that would be a hell of a lot better than a collection of vague superstitions like "chop off the end of your dick or you'll get back luck"

Luis Morris
Luis Morris

Judeo-Christianity is only appropriate when speaking of its earliest phases. It's more appropriate to speak of Greco-Christendom.

Henry Adams
Henry Adams

That's also because the Catholics tried to overthrow the Japanese lords/shogun/etc at the urging of the Portuguese, which is why they get the "evil universal church" thing

William Wilson
William Wilson

I thought they always had gods as bosses because they were considered the ultimate being, kinda like how super saiyans are now "super saiyan god super saiyan" or whatever they're called now.

Dominic Brown
Dominic Brown

Catholics tried to overthrow the Japanese lords
Thats because they had catholic converted lords before

Cameron Davis
Cameron Davis

Judeo-Christianity is a bad meme that really needs to die off. Judaism/Talmudism is almost diametrically opposite to Christianity. Reminder that Christ was killed by the Pharisees, who brag about it to this day, who were persecuted mercilessly by Christians for centuries. The Jews hate Jesus so much that they don't use a standard plus sign in Jewish-only schools because it looks like a cross.

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Xavier Stewart
Xavier Stewart

And Christianity is anti-Christ. Your faith has abandoned the teachings and values of Jesus and instead embraced the poison of the Jew demon (((YHWH))).

Alexander Hernandez
Alexander Hernandez

Your
Calm down, friend. Catholicism was subverted and is almost entirely Satanic at this point. Normal Christianity is still normal, since a bunch of the sects still despise the Catholics.

Ayden Cooper
Ayden Cooper

Good that you see how poisonous the (((Old Testament))) and its false God really are. Jesus was one you should follow.

Levi Martinez
Levi Martinez

YHWH isn't a demon, he's an Archon. Demons are malfunctioning, Archons are just doing their jobs. Follow Christ and the God he points to.

Carter Jenkins
Carter Jenkins

Is it just Japanese Paganism?
No, it's more nuanced than that.
Is it Nihilism?
無, it's more nuanced than that.
Is it traditionalism?
No, it's more nuanced than that.
Does it even have any common practices or established rules?
It's more like a philosophical tradition, despite imperial reform efforts towards a westernized concept of a strictly defined religion. It's similar to India prior to colonial rule and muslim invasion: there are identifiable religious groups with differing ideas that vary between regions, but they share a common canon and intermingle quite freely.

And why does every single game with Shinto themes in it end up being existential and depressing with the main character(s) losing everything?
It's more reflective of the society than anything. Sacrifice and loyalty are the most common themes across all japanese drama.
Is loss like this just an important part of the religion?
Not really, the melodrama just makes for a more gripping story.

Aaron Johnson
Aaron Johnson

Is it just Japanese Paganism?
No, it's more nuanced than that.
No it isnt

Dylan Myers
Dylan Myers

Unless you are gnostic you still worship and follow all the shit in the OT.
Christianity is only worth a damn because of the sheer amount of plagiarism of pagan religions.
ok so this holiday is now Christian, this one is, this temple is, this guy is a saint, this guy is and so on
Famous Christian theologians were Cicero (and other pagans) fanboys
It's still a shit religion. Just read the philosophy of Greece and Rome, and fuck the parasite that has you worshipping a Jewish God as he kills Egyptian kids for Pharoh saying no, even when God made him unable to say anything else. Or the time he punished a woman who ran from being raped and abused by Abraham, and so on.
Also no archeological evidence the Jews were ever enslaved by Egyptians, no evidence aside from Jews saying it happened and good goy Christians believing them.

That and folklore. Now it's also probably profitable to milk tourists and otaku with miko fetishes.

It's a shame Catholocism got to them before
Gnosticism
God is actually a demon, true God never intended to create humanity and is doing his own thing. Your job is to escape this demonic realm.
Neoplatoism
Everything eminates from one point, even God is beneath it. You must ascend to higher realms and not mistake who you are in this world, for who you actually are (a fallen divine being).
Manicheanism
Dualistic, there is one insanely strong good god/kingdom but God isn't omnipotent. Humans were made when the evil kingdom attacked and light mixed with dark.

Instead they got the lame, God is loving, powerful and all this other stuff but allows evil because…

Henry Moore
Henry Moore

check'd
I give respect to the understanding of Gnosticism regarding Yaldabaoth, but I do not subscribe to its teachings beyond that. In my eyes, Yaldabaoth IS a parasitic Jewish demon the usurped the rightful place of the Old Gods. You may keep your monotheistic Gnosis for yourself - Abrahamism has left a bad taste in my mouth for the concept of only one God.

Either way, we share an enemy. Therefore you are my friend.

Jason King
Jason King

(((Protestantism))) is normal christianity
See you in Hell, kiddo.

Elijah Johnson
Elijah Johnson

The Old Testament is just a different flavor of the Torah, no decent Christian really takes anything from it. Christianity stems directly from the teachings of Christ who, as you might remember, fucking hated the Jews. When people ask 'what would Jesus do' one of your canonical options is to kick over tables and whip some Hebrews.

Zachary Sanders
Zachary Sanders

Remember, you may have the Christ without the (((YHWH))).

Brandon Reed
Brandon Reed

Every time someone comes up with a cool heresy the Catholics go "OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN"

They truly are the copyright trolls of religion. How long until they figure out a way to put DRM on Jesus?

David Rogers
David Rogers

DRM
An Archetype

Ryder Morgan
Ryder Morgan

I honestly feel like I said that. Jesus actually taught spirituality because he saw the religion at the times was materialistic and disgusting. Jews to this day only focus on base pleasure and material goods. The society they've crafted is spiritually barren and designed to degrade the human soul.

Christianity stems directly from the teachings of Christ

Kevin White
Kevin White

what do those red gates mean?

Luis Baker
Luis Baker

ok so this holiday is now Christian, this one is, this temple is, this guy is a saint, this guy is and so on
Whats wrong with celebrating something at the same day while bagans celebrate something completely different? How is that an argument? It just seems like typical roman pragmatism to me.

Jeremiah Hernandez
Jeremiah Hernandez

This is not a video games thread.

Camden Bennett
Camden Bennett

Forgot about ID's Padre?

Charles Flores
Charles Flores

there's nothing wrong with wanting to know the context behind the stuff you see in jap games

Noah Green
Noah Green

but the art style and presentation of Yokai Watch is a major turn off.
Their design process is a fucking mystery. They have a ton of yokai that are cool looking, but lots of others that are idiotic. But I guess it kind of makes sense because many yokai used to be the spirits of people, while others were born from objects and stray feelings.

Connor Nguyen
Connor Nguyen

muh based catholicuckoldry

do you have an explanation for this?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicut_Judaeis

Sicut Judaeis (Latin: "As the Jews") was a papal bull setting out the official position of the papacy regarding the treatment of Jews.

The first bull was issued in about 1120 by Calixtus II and was intended to protect Jews. It was prompted by the First Crusade, during which over five thousand Jews were slaughtered in Europe. The words sicut Judaeis ("and thus to the Jews") were first used by Pope Gregory I (590-604) in a letter addressed to the Bishop of Naples. Even then the Pope emphasized that Jews were entitled to "enjoy their lawful liberty."[1]

The bull was reaffirmed by many popes including Alexander III, Celestine III (1191-1198), Innocent III (1199), Honorius III (1216), Gregory IX (1235), Innocent IV (1246), Alexander IV (1255), Urban IV (1262), Gregory X (1272 & 1274), Nicholas III, Martin IV (1281), Honorius IV (1285-1287), Nicholas IV (1288-92), Clement VI (1348), Urban V (1365), Boniface IX (1389), Martin V (1422), and Nicholas V (1447).[2][3]

The bull forbade Christians, on pain of excommunication, from forcing Jews to convert, from harming them, from taking their property, from disturbing the celebration of their festivals, and from interfering with their cemeteries.

Robert Ross
Robert Ross

He could find out with a quick google search.

Not vidya

Nathan Kelly
Nathan Kelly

It's just a boundary between the profane and sacred, signifying you're entering hallowed ground.

Jayden Williams
Jayden Williams

Didnt stop spanish and it didnt excomunicate them too :^) Nobody took it seriously to be honest as there were many persecutions of the jews in history.

Asher Gonzalez
Asher Gonzalez

You'll see I was pointing out exactly where I made the statement in question. Acting like an idiot gets you nowhere and doesn't add to the discussion.

Jonathan Wilson
Jonathan Wilson

There are people in this thread that don't think Shinto is a religion just because it doesn't share monotheistic beliefs

And why does every single game with Shinto themes in it end up being existential and depressing with the main character(s) losing everything?
You wot?

Robert Young
Robert Young

It's as much of one as Buddhism is at this point.

Lucas Wright
Lucas Wright

Never really read about it but it's the only religion I have a fondness for, being binding enough to create a group while at least to my knowledge avoiding to be preachy or spend 4 hours on YT trying to rationalize some scripture.

Aragami is a comfy game if you like the style.

Samuel Fisher
Samuel Fisher

It's as much of one as Buddhism is at this point.
Not until the next one.

Joseph Diaz
Joseph Diaz

And why does every single game with Shinto themes in it end up being existential and depressing with the main character(s) losing everything? Is loss like this just an important part of the religion?
It's an important part of being a Jap.

Chase Sanchez
Chase Sanchez

I would love to know more about Shinto influences in video games. One of the best parts of Japanese culture is its respect for tradition and mythology. While we in the west have lost these stories that give our people an ethos, it is easy to see their value when observing Japan as an outsider. Its one of the many reasons why Japanese video games resonate with me. A real sense of Good vs Evil. Western games lack any sense of self or virtue, its all ambiguous moral relativism. The best we get is LARPing like the Witcher but its all laced with the poison of modern ethics, hatred and loathing of heritage.
TRSodomite rhetoric
why do (((you))) people insist on shitting up every?

William Campbell
William Campbell

This thread is eye-opening.

I always thought Holla Forums was atheist, agnostic at best.

Adam Edwards
Adam Edwards

he never saw those /christan/ anons talk about the meaning of render unto ceaser
You get all kinds here user.

Benjamin Bell
Benjamin Bell

It's just half a dozen of christian faggots bringing up their religion like always, just ignore

Owen Gutierrez
Owen Gutierrez

Most probably are, but the /christian/ crossposters and the rise of the fedora meme usually keeps their mouths shut.

Xavier Turner
Xavier Turner

atheists got embarrassed by fedoras and are now larpagans.

Ian Wright
Ian Wright

Reminds me, weren't Biblical names and such used in Neon Genesis Evangelion mostly just because they sounded cool or something? As is most fan theories based on Angel names and their original lore had no basis on what the creators intended.

Colton Cooper
Colton Cooper

That's japan's approach to everything western in general. If it sounds cool, and it will because everything western sounds cool to japs, then throw it in somewhere to spice up whatever you're making.

Blake Gomez
Blake Gomez

Fedoras are annoying and cringy, but they are right about christianity being dumb, what can I do?

Nolan Ward
Nolan Ward

Most probably are
that is a myth that is created by online bubbles of social influence. Even in Europe which is much more secular then the States is reported that 72% of EU population are religious. Christian's make up the majority with 42% of all responses. So your assumption is unfounded, its just most people don't stink up video game discussions with their ignorant opinions and more don't bother feeding into the religious bait because arguing with a plebeian fedora who doesn't even understand Plato or Aristotle is unproductive.
I'm a fedora unironically
I bet you also suck cocks :^)

Brody Edwards
Brody Edwards

wtf is toukiden doing looking that good, even on pc it looks like a ps2 game

Jordan Anderson
Jordan Anderson

Holla Forums has alot of folks from all walks of life and places. I think there was an ayyyrab and some gooks if i recalled correctly.
what can i do
be a scientologist

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