Use gambling laws to save vidya

Even if it doesn't stop it, criminalizing/restricting it will strip away its veneer of legitimacy and respectability.

who fucking cares anyway, video games are already dead and can't be saved by anything. I live entirely in the past now, almost exclusively pre-2007 games and it's amazing, you should try it

Blade and Soul is one of the gook pay2win loot box criminal enterprises. In China they have to list the contents and odds of every item in each loot box as well as EXACTLY WHAT PLAYERS HAVE ACTUALLY GOTTEN FROM THEM.

Meanwhile in any other country nothing is done at all.

Bring back state sponsored Eugenics?

Not necessary. For instance, Rosa Parks part in the Bus Boycotts wasn't a spontaneous event, but one done on purpose, her legal fees readied by activist organizations backing her even before she got on the bus.

This sort of premeditated precedent-setter stunt is extremely common in the history of law.

I've been saying this for years.

Forgot one, from my home state.

Trump is a former casino owner, so good luck with that.

Shows how retarded you are. As I said, government involvement that's targeted at helping the people build a better nation is far different from government involvement that's just there to interfere with the lives of the people for the benefit of others.

A national service worfkforce aimed at the unemployed with fair pay for work on civic projects and statewide upkeep is not the same as taking money out of someone's pay who worked for it and giving it to someone else who does no work at all.

>save the (((video games industry))) using the (((government)))
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Does the ESRB rate PC/mobile games? If they don't, you won't see much of a difference. It would fuck up console games that dabble in it, at least.
This makes more sense. These games are like having a casino in your pocket. You've got the risk of losing your money from a normal casino, and the convenience of whipping it out whenever you want. Surely it should cause more outrage than violent video games and satanic board games.

We lost the Game Corner in Pokemon because of gambling laws. Losing a fun part of the game which doesn't waste real money while idiots throw real cash at virtual hats is fucking stupid.

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Yes, and walled-garden stores all honor those ratings with age restrictions.

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These guys get it. The last thing I want is to give more power to the government over my games. If people are stupid enough to purchase micro-transactions and gamble, that's on the consumers - not the developer.

A company capitalizing off people's stupidity isn't wrong, just smart.

Leftypol actually thinks eugenics is an argument against government involvement.

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I literally never said that. I gave you an actual example, both good and bad. I never said there was anyone in particular running either one.

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It's like you want to sabotage this thing, good job retard.

It's just KiA, pretty much an Holla Forums colony, so the mods aren't going to sperg out over "brigading" like most subs if anyone here actually has an account, which I don't.

These guys are a couple of normalfags that are actually pretty redpilled when it comes to the industry being turbocancer.

I believe reddit has global mods

If Reddit were going to stomp KiA for being full of Holla Forums users, it would've happened a long, long time ago.

No.

Liberals would do anything to have power over video games. I'm not going to support giving the government more power over video games because that could be used as a precedent to continue growing control over games. Go away, Holla Forums.

They already have government-enforced control over games, the only question here is whether or not you want to let them get away with everything they want using them.

Been listening to some of this guy's stuff lately. Pretty sure he's a cuckchan faggot, but he rages against most the shit going on in vidya and calls for the industry to be burnt to the ground - so he can't be all bad.

Would webm, but my internet is practically 56k at this point and I don't feel like waiting 45 minuites for it to upload. If some other user actually gives a fuck wants to do it, be my guest.

Alright, I'll bite. What single power does government have specifically over video games?

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I said specifically over video games. If you can only provide examples of copyrights, then I made my point.

>A national service worfkforce aimed at the unemployed with (((fair pay))) for work on civic projects and statewide upkeep is not the same as taking money out of someone's pay who worked for it and giving it to someone else who does no work at all.
You literally want the government to force tax livestock to bleed money for shit you agree with because it's universally impossible for someone to transfer money to your gov' daddies without them having a police force, jails and an army.

You're one of those single mom kids that sees degenerates and instead of letting them die (as nature does with genetic refuse), you want 「Ｂｉｇ♂Ｂｒｏｔｈｅｒ」 to go on an adventure where it throws other people's money and manpower at the fat fuck overdosing on doritos, which was paid for through coercion; except it's totally different from the jewish ran government using taxes to send gibs to niggers.

You will probably have an aneurysm the moment you hear someone has anything nearing a economic monopoly (without government involvement, mind you) on something because that definitely means the corporate asian AI overlords are going to send combine harvesters to schools full of hwite kids.

That last example has repeatedly involved gaming-specific instances, such as Australia and Greece's nationwide anti-videogame censorship laws.

Also, how about this? The laws we're talking about, against gambling, already cover games, and precedent is thoroughly established clear through shaping the design of arcade games to distinguish "games of skill" from "games of chance".

You're entirely missing the point because you're a fucking moron.

Okay, give me an example of video game censorship in the US because AFAIK there isn't fucking any. And why the fuck are you even bringing up other countries?

Yeah, laws can cover video games in nature just because of how broad they are. What I'm asking from you is an example of a law that only applies to games, which you disregarded and instead fucking brought up irrelevant countries and copyright laws.

You're suggesting that the government should FORCE the ESRB to rate games with microtransactions. Do you even know what the ESRB is? It's a fucking SRO. The government can't make them do shit.

Moral of the story is you're a fucking idiot who gets shit jammed so far up your ass that it makes you legitimately stupid. Go back to Holla Forums.

There is not a single law in the government that applies to JUST games. This would be the first precedent.

The ESRB would simply be argued into the reclassification of RMT gambling elements through widespread public admonition, since the entire point of the ESRB was specifically to act as an alternative to government-enforced classification.

Direct government action is best used to attack the cash flow of business illicit business models, rather than attempting to classify the content of games. Here's an example of a good start on that sort of approach:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_gambling

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How would the government be bleeding money in the first place if the planning and implementation is done state by state with budget cuts being done proactively to federal spending in other areas where it's not needed? And fair pay is for fair work done. Building highways, parks, schools, housing and other publicly needed installations for the community and rewarding that work is not the same as giving Jamal with 6 kids $1500 in welfare a month to spend on shoes and weed with no benefit to the community. Not to mention money that would be spent on domestic materials to make the projects happen leading to higher overall job employment, business growth and domestic sustainability.

It's not surprising that they're given an incentive to work anyway, just as EVERYONE else is given an incentive to work, and throughout that work the quality of living improves for everyone involved in it or not. Also yes, it's a completely different system in comparison to welfare. The nog receiving it HAS no incentive to stop taking it or do anything productive with it. Giving people the tools and skills through work can help them move on to higher paying jobs and services where instead of having a piece of paper saying they're qualified for it or not being qualified for it at all, they'll actually have the experience behind them instead.

If someone is preaching the truth then better to give them views.

I like this idea but WashDC already tried to ban it and failed.

What you're suggesting wouldn't improve the current industry climate, it would fucking tank the industry.

You're essentially saying that you want a country to adopt communism and starve to get rid of a couple of shysters that captialism had, along with every oppourtunity to outdo them and sell more.

You want to change the current climate then make a better business practice that works, people will then adopt it and use it via follow the leader.

Banning shit gets people nowhere and watchers don't watch the watchers.

Does anyone have a webm of this video that isn't horribly desynced? I could never find the full version anywhere

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From "force tax livestock to bleed money" to "the government be bleeding money" in one single shitpost.
A state ran by people that got there because they convinced other people to vote for them, using others' money.
Decided by the all-knowing Overlord waving his dick around as if it was a wand and instantly moving money, goypower and assets between government departments instantly as if he was playing fucking Anno.
I can tell you were never paid based on your performance.
You're just naming feel-good shit that you want the government to build and only a monster would oppose because it's sim city and only the government can build those.
If they need them then they can pay. If they need them but they can't pay then they can ask for money. If they need them but they can't get the money then they are going to die like nature intended.
Just stop giving niggers and white trash free money and they'll starve lmao.
Now you're suggesting buying from someone because they're part of your nation and disregarding anything else, may as well have someone hire their dumb cousin because he's family.
Cuz getting paid isn't enough
Because everyone works the same amount of hours and has the exact same productivity.
I fail to see how my quality of living improves if I'm being taxed and thus forced to give someone else my money to build some fucking parks in the country's capital and yes, I still wouldn't care if I had an amusement park where you get free cunny with every ride by 10/10 models right in front of my house.
Exact same means for a slightly different goal.
No need for gobbie involvement there, chap. If you showed initiative and did anything but flipping burgers at a detroit burger kings under the uninterested watch of a sheboon using her phone, you'd actually get places.
There was nothing stopping your dad in his teenage years from dropping the moonshine jar after walking out of a factory and picking up a fucking book and becoming an actual person.
t. highschool dropout
That already happens and people don't have to call the FBI just to get a paid internship at places other than mc donalds provided their IQ is above 80.

pp4l and death to America.

Always fight fire with fire, you fucking faggots.

This isn't Shitman tier "no bad tactics". No, the ends justify the fucking means. Sometimes you have to do bad shit yourself to get an advantage, use their own rules and weapons against them. Fuck playing fair.

This is exactly the sort of ammo we need to stir up moral outrage among gamers with normalfag tendencies. On the other hand, we should also look for some Fox News/CNN/MSNBC-grade pieces with anecdotes about children and old women running up bills and ruining their finances, the sort of thing that tugs at the heartstrings of bottom-tier normalfags, for the second wave of propaganda on NSABook and the like.

What if "the business practice that works" is selling predatory garbage to morons, so that you can fuck over consumers that actually enjoy art?

This wouldn't touch the actual content of games, but instead their business models. You can have all the shallow skinnerbox Korean Diablo-clones you want, but without the business model that enforces a perverse incentive AGAINST games players enjoy and FOR games that make players want to pay you money so they can skip through boring parts.

These new pay2win games are the business model equivalent of a monopoly, and nothing will ever dislodge them from our industry short of either enforcing anti-gambling laws against them, or voluntary mass-euthanasia of the cattle that keep paying into them.

We have to do something, before every penny of investment is sucked into this black hole, and every gaming platform is permanently transformed into the cloud-hosted walled gardens such "games" need in order to operate.

What part of using their tactics against them didn't you understand ?

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/201300

Found this on the UK parliament site, if enough britbongs add their name to it we can get a government response.

The government response is normally just 'meh' I'm afraid user. They designed this system to be impotent because otherwise they'd be forced to actually deal with things the public want i.e. paki removal.

Looks good aside from that. Maybe somewhere more bongistani are aware of could help spread this, like Total Asscancer?

You can't win a game that the house rigged against you, fucking moron. "Tactics" doesn't matter when the game is already rigged.

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Reminder that Brazil has absurd taxes on vidya and part of it is because the government treats it as gambling.

Brazil has a government?

Unfortunately the government never do anything with these.
They still haven't done brexit despite a referendum and are fucking around with that as well, so the chances of them doing this is pretty much zero.
They're more interested in unlicensed twatter posts.
I'll still sign it for the hell of it

I'm afraid the cancer consumed him, as such, he'd support the cancer in the industry.

a communist one

Here's the thing, if selling crap to morons is the business deal, then don't play those games.

You want to get the government involved in censorship of games, you're not thinking straight here, you give these fucks any control over an industry and that control stays, is increased, and is never given back when you see the downsides.

I don't care how fucking angry you are, you'd do nothing to benefit.

I'm no stranger to the disgust of these things, but you're not thinking past your first step here.

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Isn't every government communist according to ancaps?

Please never post that image again.

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Don't be mean to our retarded stepbrother.

eugenics are bad in post-truth world because instead of objectively superior people you'll get children engineered to be housepets

are you retarded?

eugenics are bad in post-truth world because instead of objectively superior people you'll get children engineered to be housepets

You have to go back.

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The problem with the worst microtransactions, the lootboxes, is they are absolutely gambling in all regards EXCEPT that they don't result in something with potential monetary value. That's the one thing stopping them from being regulated by government gambling commissions.

The only place you can really impact MTX's is those lootboxes IF you can convince some body that they're close enough to gambling and force them to either offer monetary compensating value for items contained within with posted payout percentages within reason and something akin to an AO rating OR to have them just stop having them altogether under threat of that.

They'd probably take the former because they're cancerous kikes.

I don't care what you all do with that knowledge, the industry is essentially doomed to an endlessly worsening downward spiral anyway.

The problem with the worst microtransactions, the lootboxes, is they are absolutely gambling in all regards EXCEPT that they don't result in something with potential monetary value. That's the one thing stopping them from being regulated by government gambling commissions.

The only place you can really impact MTX's is those lootboxes IF you can convince some body that they're close enough to gambling and force them to either offer monetary compensating value for items contained within with posted payout percentages within reason and something akin to an AO rating OR to have them just stop having them altogether under threat of that.

They'd probably take the former because they're cancerous kikes.

I don't care what you all do with that knowledge, the industry is essentially doomed to an endlessly worsening downward spiral anyway.

are you actually trying to imply conservatives wouldn't want power either??? like almost every call to ban violence in videogames have come from highly religious conservatives

That pic is reverse of what has been proven true.

Sony microkike and nintendo wont allow ao games on the consoles, which would gimp the spread a little.

Problem is, past moral outrages have been financially supported (((somehow))), and odds are (((somehow))) there'd be a lot of money against stopping loot & gambling shit like this.
Even if it did get through- it could pave the way for weirder laws.
Finally, while it solves the fiscal issues of vidya- it doesn't solve the political & quality ones (SJW nonsense). But that'll involve UBM and is another thing entirely.

That being said- I do approve of it. It needs a more stable group to use than normalfags however (they can be easily manipulated, co-opted, and distracted), and a a series of actions & goals that are achievable.
1. Spread information with videos & infographs like
2. Email campaigns against the relevant bodies (usually this involves "Do this for me or I won't give you my money/vote").
And the trickiest one
3. Make your terms (no gambling in vidya) crystal clear. To prevent them following the words and not the spirit and (most importantly) prevent further overreaching.

For example, lots of games with in-game gambling- using in-game money with no means of transferring it into real money or vice-versa, on casino style mini-games- get a minimum rating of 12, despite it just being a minigame with casino themes. You make it an amusement arcade with a claw machine and no one cares.
So, saying "We want gambling out of vidya"- might kill off harmless fictional gambling, like in DOA or Red Dead or whatever. Further hammering in the "Fictional acts become real desires" racket pushed hard by MSM.
It could be really twisted depending on who greases palms (Because this Japanese RPG has random loot that drops for beating it, it's gambling- even if no real money is paid for it. Therefore, we ban it's sale and import into the US. Support the American Video-Game industry and enjoy Bethesda's RPGs instead!)
This is why GG (in it's early days) avoided giving any goals or terms to the public. Terms can be twisted and warped. Saying something is wrong, then flinging shit until they present the correct solution is better.

tl;dr - Good idea. Needs to be fleshed out to avoid backfiring and biting us in the ass.

IMO this is worth discussing in GG. And as it's technically about industry fuck ups plus how to solve it, might be a GG topic so it has to stay in those threads. Mods discretion

Are you a fellow GamerGay trying to help random legal shenanigans against microtransactions that just happened to be in the catalog?

GG probably shouldn't get involved with this whatsoever. It's blatantly sinking to underhanded levels for revenge against complete bullshit that has nothing to do with retarded bloggers infesting video games.

Is this the designated dubs thread?

Indeed.
You can tell by the topic and direct links to reddit.

Is that a nuclear explosion outside the commie's window?

You are a subhuman

These business models are eating the games I liked alive, if we don't do something to stop it, we and actual games will not merely be set aside as irrelevant to their interests, but actively stamped out as counter to their ambitions for the medium.

This has already been a common tactic in the gambling industry for decades, essentially:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachinko#Prizes

Even if there is no trading mechanism that could be used to recoup money (which there absolutely are in most of these games, meaning no new legislation would be needed for them), a key distinction between things like what you're referring to and what I'm referring to, is that they allow (and encourage!) you into PAYING REAL MONEY to improve your outcome in-game. That would absolutely require new legislation, without some way in the game/ToS's rules (officially or, without credible efforts to stamp it out, illicitly) to cash back out. In this case the distinction would be paying repeatedly not for uncertain potential monetary reward, but for potential uncertain in-game reward, even reward with no mechanical benefit (aesthetics), because it encourages the same neurotic infinite-spending behavior as gamblers.

But such new legislation might scope-creep to be even better, not only targeting gambling, but targeting all pay2win regardless of randomness.

Either way, its scope is strictly limited because it doesn't particularly target in-game content, what it targets is primarily out-of-game business model. If you include similar systems strictly in-game, but provide no means of using real money to influence it (including credible efforts to harass illicit RMT in multiplayer games), that provides a crystal-clear legal distinction.

I thought about posting this in a GG place, but decided against it because it doesn't just target explicit misconduct in gaming, but broader choices about the overall shape of gaming as a medium and gaming as an activity. I think the old choice distinguishing games of skill versus "games" of chance needs to be reaffirmed, and perverse incentives degrading our hobby need rebuke.

That said, looking at the SJW/indie problem, I am confident that much of their financial backing is dependent on mobile/social/shovelware trash, the tides of non-gamers it attracts, and the locked-down walled-garden platforms that require its business model in order to avoid a spectacular financial speculation bubble pop. IMHO, taking out these anti-gaming business models and the things they've caused in gaming would be a keystone that would immediately dissipate much of their power, for indirect reasons.

Sure but the ESRB knows which way their bread is buttered, largely AAA rating fees, they're not going to slap an AO on something over lootboxes no matter how many spergs email them.

Pachinko balls are a physical thing, you don't get a physical thing you can redeem with lootboxes, unless it's like CSGO shit where you can gamble it on some site or something but that's too far removed from the original product.

I stand that the only realistic way to stop loot boxes is to convince the governments in some major markets that lootboxes are gambling and need to be regulated as such. This will unlikely result in more government interference in games UNLESS said game decides to comply with it and use lootboxes, then you'll have a giant red flag that a game and/or company is a piece of shit up front.
Most companies would opt for not having lootboxes most likely.
If the majority decide it's best to keep them and deal with the regulation, fuck man, I dunno, time to get a new hobby. Tying flies for fishing looks pretty skill oriented and cheap… Maybe take up figure drawing, I hear there's naked chicks there sometimes.

Read the link, it's more devious than that. The prize isn't chits like pachinko balls, poker chips, or whatever, but something else (a stuffed animal, a box of cigars, etc.) obtained using the chits as an abstraction. Just like the skins are bought using fake-o in-game currency (that you can "reload" for real money), and then there's an internal market trading skins with other players, with varyingly allowed RMT to sell skins for actual dollars.

WHERE DO I FUCKING SIGN UP

We need to get this cancer labeled as an AO feature but who the fuck do we contact to make it happen?

You sad, naive little child.

Cite examples or go fuck yourself.

That's what you call pc gamers? Because this shit didn't get going on consoles, nor mobile. It's the pc gamers that got it going, with their mobas and outdated fps. In fact I wonder how can that shit exist on other platforms. I never met a console gamer obsessed with hats and knives.

You hypocritical faggots need to drink some bleach.

this should be reimposed to keep welfare recipients from breeding

there's some games with lootcrates on console like destiny but it's predominantly a PC thing. The entire platform is full of people who stick autistically to one game for months or years on end. Lots of those people post here, usually the kind of people that insist everything new comes out is shit.

In arcades, are you're chances of winning a prize up to skill or RNG?
Literally gambling.
"The typical operation at a bingo club works like this: patrons have the option of playing a single bingo card for free, something that is not well-advertised. But to obtain additional bingo cards, they have to purchase a dinner that costs about $25. Most patrons buy the dinner even if they are playing only a single card. Others buy three or four "dinners" and leave the food untouched."
archive.is/60tHb#selection-271.0-271.3
I don't want these things shut down outright in all places, but if a state or country has gambling laws saying it is to be limited only to adults or is illegal, those laws should be equally enforced on all forms of gambling. This can be used indirectly as way to purge shitty practices from the industry
Nobody seems to have a problem with coming at shitty games like No Man's Sky for illegally false advertising, why is it okay for other very shitty games to slip past gambling laws with their industry harming and anti-consumer practices? Games should be subject to the same laws as other products and services.

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Video game companies with shitty practices that are essentially gambling run the government?

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They don't do that now with porn sites being 18+, what makes you think gamblings laws would suddenly make them do the internet passport for them and porn sites? These are just scare tactics.

so what's your plan OP?

Crashing this industry with no surviors.

/liberty/ is fucking cancer

actually this would only get rid of 33% of the cancer. 15% is crackable drm and the other is online only drm at 52%

Come to think of it a lot of freemium and DLC shit really is lottery shit. I think there's a very solid basis for this falling under some kind of regulation. Regardless of whether the rewards are physical or intangible, a lot of grab box shit really is by and large e-gambling for rewards depending on the addictive cycle of hoping for something good to keep draining away your shekels.

I'm down.

The original arcade games had to take extensive pains to make sure they were skill-based to remove any danger of them falling under gambling laws as some kind of slot machine. These days it's like the companies give zero fucks about those laws. Pretty sure actual arcades are gonna be fine.

You're an idiot.

We'd be crashing retarded games with godawful business practices you stupid fuck. Those games deserve to die.

That's still a lot of progress. I'll take it.

Trips fucking confirm. We will destroy a damned third of the cancerous industry this way.

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>Uses five webms to respond to everyone that replied to him, including the user agreeing with him, to call them retarded
You can tell it's bait, especially because he assumed everyone that replied to him disagreed and replied to all of them without reading and with no argument.

He's just a shitposting idiot.

Nigga the democratic government is the most incompetent institution man has ever devised. If you lobby state legislation of vidya, then it will set a precedent that vidya can and should be regulated. Not only will that inevitably lead to only state sanctioned games, it will be produced by those currently seen as developing the standards. i.e. the current shitstorm we have will be the status quo. The only way you enact positive change as a consumer is by petitioning for less government control in a field, which will allow for more competition. Fuck off back to leftypol or nupol if you honestly believe the govt is a positive - there you can keep being a useful idiot.

Does that mean he should fuck off to Holla Forums if he honestly believes the government is a negative?

We're discussing gambling laws you fucking idiot. That shit has traditionally been regulated with good fucking reason. And it's true enough that a lot of freemium and grab box DLC shit is plain fucking e-gambling with real money.

Now get the fuck off Holla Forums you fucking 4chan reject.

He should fuck off Holla Forums altogether. He's not on 4chan anymore. And we sure as fuck don't need the imbeciles who were too stupid for cuckchan to come roosting on Holla Forums. A lot of us came here to be rid of cancer, not to import turbo-cancer.

The legislation doesn't need a precedent you cumslurping chimpanzee. They already have the power to regulate business practices, a power they well understand and exercise on a regular basis. This is not going to influence any free speech shit. The SCOTUS Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association case already established that regulating the expression of ideas in videogames is unconstitutional under the 1st amendment by a 7-2 supermajority anyhow.

Gtfo if you're just going to be a pea-brained idiot.

Oy vey.
You can't do this goyim! Laws are bad, remember? If you use laws to fight back you will be just like them!
It would be much more ethical if you goyim just spread awareness of lootboxes and microtransactions by not doing anything about it.
Even better! you could actually buy the lootboxes to prove how ethical and understanding you are!

You know eventually government control over video games in general is going to be the end result of this. That's how it is.

As a fellow goy myself, I concur.
We should make epic memes and post them here instead, also don't go to reddit, twitter or anything big because that's lame and we are cool kids here. Look at OP, he posted a reddit link, how embarrassing.
Let's all buy some lootboxes to make fun of OP for being such a newfag, I bet he will get really mad if we do the opposite of what he says. Ha ha.

Yes, I don't want government fucking up gaming anymore than it already is.

If you don't want to gamble in a video game, don't fucking do it. If you don't want your kids to gamble your money in a video game, don't let them.

MY DICK WOULD PIERCE THE SUN IF THEY COULD SHUT DOWN NEXON AND MAPLESTORY.

It's certainly a bigger problem now on PC than console, but far and away the biggest problem is on cellphones. Though the main "platform" for this cancer isn't really any one type of hardware, but walled gardens in general, where these things invariably spring up like weeds.

In any case, consoles have their own types of cancer, pic related.

Government is already exercising corrosive control over vidya with laws that protect DRM and keep IP out of the hands of creators in favor of greedy parasites. Without those laws, hackers and copycats would simply route around most of the shenanigans abused by AAA publishers to monetize such inherently worthless product.

And aside from the fact that most of what I'm arguing about is existing law rather than new legislation, even my most ambitious proposals wouldn't set any kind of precedent about the content of games, only about their business models. If devs stopped asking for real money to fuel their asinine game mechanics, none of this would effect them, but of course that's their primary revenue stream for these cancerous "games".

I always wondered what would be the natural response to this epidemic in the gaming industry, but I feel like it's something you cant really stop. The best solution is likely to create a new gaming industry separate from this one. One that's meant to hold the values of what makes a game a game.

I hadn't really thought of that, but if the pay2win types fully embraced the identity of the gambling industry, and that became the "face" of vidya as a whole in popular consciousness, it might become a thousand times worse than it is. But that would be fine, since it would be permanently, decisively separated by a strict legal wall from actual vidya, and they wouldn't be allowed to bamboozle literal children as a feeder market for their trash.

GAMERGATE THREAD ON THE TOPIC

>>>/gamergatehq/331196

Let's organize and do some shit about cancer lootcrate/lootpack monetization.

While I don't like that gambling laws exist, if they do, they should apply to things that are like gambling although some of the shit you mention isn't gambling user. As per the definition.
Most vidya doesn't match the first one since you're "reward" for gambling is entertainment. The second one however does apply.
Not gambling by default
Again not gambling by default
Depends, if there's an in game currency and you can buy it with dollars, that's not gambling, the outcome is certain. Get X currency when you spend Y amount. If there's a slot wheel like element for rewarding you X materials, that's gambling.
Also not gambling unless there's chance based parts to it.
This should be considered gambling.

Does anyone feel like by next month people will forget this shit.

Im pretty sure they brought fucking TCG makers to court over this shit and they still weren't labeled as gambling

I feel a similar justification applies for Ponzi schemes, chain letters, and death pools: They are activities that serve no practical purpose, even amusement, other than to concentrate money from large numbers of people to small numbers of people, near-always done dishonestly due to a variety of perverse incentives inseparably arising alongside them.
My point in including those wasn't that they should by definition fall afoul of gambling laws, but that the primary source of revenue for all of them are games and mechanics that do. The pricing, quality, and release/development volume of those market segments mean that barring the occasional blockbuster success, they are incapable of making money without the abusive patronage of small numbers of whales. If those gambling business models were taken out of the equation, the entire house of cards would implode, taking all the cancer with it in a cataclysmic fiscal maelstrom.
I agree these aren't inherently gambling (though in practice they very commonly are), but their financial nature means after public outrage had arisen against gambling in vidya, it would be easy to make unambiguous laws targeting them. Instead of being games of skill, or games of chance, the "game" itself is a tedious punishment (often using peer pressure through social mechanics) designed to bully the "player" into pouring money into the "game", usually in infinite quantities.

Such laws wouldn't be censorship, since they would be targeting the business model rather than the game's content, and simply by removing the ability to influence the game through payment, they would be wholly outside its writ.

I will never forgive WoTC for what they did to the /tg/ industry. Man, this shit just keeps going back as far as I can remember, not just arcade games designed to be impossible for 1CC runs, but (especially Sierra-style adventure) games with 900-number hint lines and official guides advertised right on the box.

Well, one of my faggot steam friends linkes me a cuckchan thread on the topic that seemed to have some traction, so it looks like something is being done

The only fucking reason I haven't yet signed any petitions is that I don't live in America.
Fuck turning games into slot machines and fuck slot machines. It is made for retarded people who want to earn quick bucks. You should just ban it and especially ban it in games.

It is funny how the real solution is for people to not be retarded but hey apparently it is impossible. Without people throwing hundreds of dollars on loot crates all of this haven't had happen.

Encouraging. Circulation on NSABook will be the critical point.

This isn't an burgerland problem (though reform in the US will be necessary for the final deathblow against this garbage), it's a vidya problem. What country are you in? Bongistani for instance already linked an official petition that's already at 86% of what's required for a guaranteed government response (10 times that will additionally guarantee debate in parliament) less than a month into its 6-month signature-gathering period.

Everywhere that fights the destruction of the medium can help build public awareness worldwide.

I'm in

Where do we start

Here's an analogy for normalfags:

Imagine you're driving a car on an endless road. You're enjoying yourself having a drive, but there's a problem. Your car runs on money, literally. Every few miles you have to shovel a pile of money into the engine to keep it running. If you wanna drive faster you have to shovel more money. Every time the car runs out you can get out and "invest" more cash, or get out and start pushing the car. Either way you won't be driving for long.

>Sure enough, this is a shill thread for their OP Highroller on >>>/gamergatehq/331196
Time to leave

What actually saves games is a combination of preserving great games, supporting decent devs by not pirating their products, promoting games as a way to bond with others, and most importantly actually playing them. All while allowing trash games to shut down and be forgotten.

Making daddy government "save" gaming is pointless.

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Uh, user, are you quoting the right guy?

You realize these fake game revenue streams are being used to actively subvert actual devs (Konami killing its game division) and the platforms necessary for actual games to be played (PCs turning into walled-garden app stores), right? If we don't kill them, the hundreds of billions of dollars (skins in CS:GO alone are worth $6 billion/year) of being poured into this warchest will continue eroding the medium.

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So, what part of my post disagrees with you then? If we support better companies like GOG that also help with preserving proper games then wouldn't we have to worry.

There are too many impulsive people out there as well, using ESRB ratings and other regulation isn't gonna change that. That's why I think preserving good games is better.

Hell yea, let's get the capitalism out of gaming! Finally!

Nice dubs, truth sayer

A good defense, like you say, is certainly crucial. But they will not leave us alone, they aren't just preying on the shit taste of normalfags, they also see us as a direct impediment to their success and a source of legitimacy to be stripmined. As such, we HAVE to fight back against them.

>capitalism in GAMING

There should be a vice tax on videogames.

t. humble hat merchant

Well, fighting back, at least in my opinion is going to have to be more than just regulation on a government level. I personally think we have to take into account how a lot of these games get a lot of money in the first place; kids. If we want to fix video games, we'd have to address the fact that we are in a culture where kids are often given tech at very young ages with little to no supervision. This is why Youtube is flooded with stupid Spiderman and Elsa videos. This is why the Google Play store and Apple's App Store are full of trash games because they have an endless supply of easily led children. Even with birthrates declining from birth control, we still have literal suckers born everyday. One issue would be educating parents about letting young kids having phones and tablets and laptops at such a young age and debunk their "muh convenience" arguments. Kids are also often raised by one parent rather than two parents or an extended family so we'd have to address that issue as well in addition to education.

Furthermore, general financial education should be of a greater focus in public schools. Teaching kids how to think their purchases through would be a better use of resources than basically making some horrible decisions in gaming illegal.

To truly cripple things like mircotransactions and the like, you'd have to educate people on how to avoid it. Much like how sex education when done right can reduce teen pregnancies or gun education results in fewer deaths.

Parents should be smarter than this shit. My parents taught me what's stupid and what isn't, so I know. That's the point of parents you piece of shit, not the state.

Factually incorrect, children are a state property leased on a usually 18 year long contract.

Absolutely, and I said as much in my OP, stating that legal and semi-regulatory (like the ESRB) remedies would only be one part of a broader cultural attack against such business models.

Another user made a particularly cogent post at about how a concrete rift might form between these "games" and actual games in a total cultural, commercial, and legal sense, stripping away the legitimacy they currently claim by pretending to belong in the same category as games.

Also, of course, we gain nothing by allowing these business models to exist, and stand to lose nothing by stamping them out.

As far as a separate industry is concerned, I do think that's starting to happen already. It might just be my skewed view but some recent games like A Hat in Time and Cuphead both getting GOG releases from the get-go and not feeling like your standard release was nice but more importantly, might actually set a precedent of actually making a full game. And in the case of games like AHiT, actually giving the devs money that can go to actual games again. Maybe I'm just seeing things but those two releases felt off from the norm.

Also, I wouldn't see it as allowing them to exist as much as I view it as allowing them to die off naturally.

FYI ESRB already looked at microtransaction loot boxes and said "they're fine because you're always a winner and you don't win anything monetary :^)"

No.

AO is the kiss of death. It would fuck their shit up bad. A lot of their money comes from kids who have been addicted to their slots since they picked up a smartphone, allowing the addiction to set in early. Gambling laws should apply equally.

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wew lad

Is it too hurtful to spell out "kill yourself"? Hypocrite.

Oh right, and I'm sure the millions of normalfags who couldn't care less about vidya will be doing that as well?
A few thousand is not going to change anything if it all. Watch the video in the OP. Now, imagine MILLIONS of him, as opposed to everyone on Holla Forums. We need government action.

That's the thing, they aren't dying off naturally, because the current rules of the system mean their business model is the most profitable, and rewards them for watering down our actual games to insert their cancer so they can get as wide an audience as possible.

Perhaps pitchfork-wielding mobs of soccer moms on NSABook would help change their minds?

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Look at this disgusting apologism:
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Not to mention the other half of that excuse about "always winning", which mirrors the minimum payout commonly enforced on casino slot machines.

With what outreach? Just because it sounds better doesn't mean it's more doable. No offense but the best way to do that is still to raise a giant outcry throughout the industry such that the practice attains mass condemnation status, because we can't reasonably target all the kids in the world who might buy some freemium shit.

The government cant save gaming because you dont want the government regulating an entertainment industry. They don't know how games work and they'll just be another evil given. Avoid it altogether and just make the market of gamers take care of it. The problem here is that hardcore gamers are more picky and have higher standards, and they will not buy your game if you do something wrong. Whereas sheep like today's market will eat up anything cause a publisher told them so. It's a catch 22.

I can understand people being worried about government grabbing the vidya industry under their control, but any "peaceful" methods won't work at all as the business is aimed at retards and kids who think that premium nico nii card is worth spending money.

Kids nowadays think spending real money on virtual GTA money is the norm. I had to persuade one kid to buy himself a normal game instead of throwing away money, but good luck educating them all.

The vidya as we knew them are at direct fucking danger. Games are not made to be fun anymore, they're made to drain away money for basically nothing.

Gambling is an entertainment industry. The gov't regulates that.
They've been making it worse ever since horse armor and show little sign of stopping. You say so yourself right after that sentence.

Personally I think set game prices should just go away and devs/pubs just charge whatever they want and let the market settle this itself.

Just because it's already part of the law doesn't mean it's right. Governement should not be involved in anything besides protecting it's citizens from threats foreign and domestic.

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No lolbertarians don't believe in military intervention or government run police which I do.

I bet you believe "the free-market will fix it!" meme too.

I believe it. Because you can always just make your own gaming market. And it's not like it's that hard to make a game these days.

Go back to reddit with this bullshit

How'd that work out for ya? I guess we can always just make an entirely new industry completely seperated from the games industry by fucking nothing.

We did it in the early 80s. It can be done. Just have the right people pioneer it.

Only works if there's a crash first, which there won't be this time when most of the biggest companies are reaping large profit margins off of the harmful business models that sparked this thread in the first place.

A crash wont do shit. Only people who care about games will make them. if they don't exist, they don't exist. That's just the way of things. You want to change things? Make a lot of money and fund it.

This is a pretty great image. I'm sorry, sometimes an image just moves you so much that you have to post about it a week after its already been posted.

The crash is what allowed for what happened in the 80s in the first place. Otherwise, no amount "Making a lot of money and funding things." is ever gonna come close to competing with the current giants in the industry and their jewish practices. You can't make another industry in the same industry when it's already practically global. You take over or you get relegated to indieshit. Without a crash, there's nothing to seperate your supposed "new industry" from the current state of indieshit which is mountains of garbage with a few diamonds in the rough every now and then that still don't manage to make a lasting difference in the larger gaming industry let alone have any effect on the rampant skelemancy practiced within it.

You are pants on head retarded. Kill yourself.

You got your history screwed up. The crash didn't hurt any of the PC devs, who were the ones rising with their shareware. In addition, the market in Europe was still fine. The crash only happened in America. What pushed for innovation was the tech that became available. Nintendo didn't innovate anything when they "saved the industry", which is a farce. They just made use of their brand to go into a market place that was vacant of competition and took a lot of the market share. Typical business move by them.

The only thing that causes innovations is someone like Carmack teaming with designers and businessmen, and making a game cause they have the resolve to. The government cant force people to make "good" games because no one knows how to make good games and the criteria would be retarded. That's why having the government fix anything is a mistake no matter how you look at it.

Your problem is that you believe you're entitled to these private companies, who are making digital commodities. You'll probably blow this off thinking I'm a shill but Im not. Fair's fair, and I won't force anyone to use their resources the way they want to. In the timeline where they are, you get shit regardless.

"Hey, companies, you can now only make games without x features."

"Alright. We'll just call them y." And it'll keep going like this forever because video games are not an objective media, just like movies and music.

So yeah, good luck with that. By the way, I hope you're ready to tell every other game developer in America to do the same thing. After all, unless you're specifically aiming for just a select company, this would affect everyone, and then they'll just not classify their games anymore as games to avoid any legal bond. You're screwed either way.

You're a dumbass. Thousands of people make game every year. First, your claim is wrong because otherwise companies would be making clones of every game in existence. This is why you're really saying "guy who made successful game is going to get sued by bigger companies." Except you can't sue a company for video game concepts and every company that tries lost. If you're referencing the pubg and Fortnite issue, nothing is going to happen on either side. Pubg cant sue and Fortnite isn't going to go after a bunch of newbies.

Secondly, you're forgetting one thing: you don't have to play any of those games with those microtransactions. What is keeping you from playing a game without those? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. You're crying for nothing. If you want good games again, either make them yourself or fund it yourself. Stop trying to steal peoples' time for your sake.

Never said they did
Yeah, the industry wasn't as global back then, so the crash left a power vacuum in th US. You can't make a new industry when the current one is occupied.
Nobody's saying they will or that they want them to. They'll be applying the state laws for gambling only to games that actually contain gambling fed by real money. This won't magically make all games better, but it will heavily damage the monetary power of these shitty games and their anti-consumer business models.
Not sure where you got this from.
And then they'll get their shit kicked in by trying avoid laws by renaming shit because people will talk.
It would affect companies that let you spend money for rewards you get based purely on RNG.
And then they'll get their shit kicked in by trying avoid laws by renaming shit because people will talk.

Mobile game developers hate making mobage. If they could they would make good games, but they can't, because the only thing that sells is F2P gachashit. The good games that they want to make are not being made because the free-market demands they make trash. And I'm not referring to PUBG PR suicide, I'm referring to Zynga you utter newfag.

you sound like the typical panhandler

So every mobile company outside of America, where is where a lot of these games run from, so US laws wont apply anyway.

You never heard of pachinko machines, have you.

Tell me where these mobile devs are saying they hate making 1 million dollars a year cause I'd love to see that news article.

I'm going to punish these people for illicit and anti-consumer business practices that use vidya as a cover to circumvent gambling laws.
Who said we're only talking about the US? They're not the only ones with gambling laws.
That boat sailed and then got fucked by the Nip gov't so hard some companies were forced back into vidya development.
Mobile companies are. Codemonkeys working for them get shit pay.

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Guess what. Those codemonkeys choose to work there. They can quit anytime and go make games.If there's no market for the games they want to make then there's no market. If there were anyone who wanted to make games, they are already making them. Passion doesn't make money. Money makes money. Stop being a naive little fuck.

Ah yes, everyone should quit their job because they hate it and take a huge risk without any safety net in place. Presumably they should pump out an amazing game by themselves in less than the two months out takes them to run out of their savings on their first try that manages to actually sell enough to keep food on the table. Brilliant plan, I can't believe I didn't think of it.

Also you have some real fucking nerve to call anyone other than yourself naive after you just got blown the FUCK out.

Yeah, because that's who will hire them. You think they'd work there if they could so easily get a job at a better company or start their own?
For anything that's not shit, you need startup money first. Good luck spinning the Patreon/Kickstarter lottery. See
Not when everyone has a dopamine addiction to the shit games they were making before. Playing the indie dev game even if you do have the capital to get off the ground is far too dangerous when you can just pump out shitty phone games to farm whales for your boss.

Only way to save it is to let it crash and burn.

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Just how FUCKING STUPID do you have to be to think this is a good idea?

The only people who could possibly support this horse shit are absolute retards who have no concept of liberty and the hungry kikes who would love nothing more than to regulate more shit. If you truly cared about video games you would speak with your wallet by not buying this garbage and supporting the status quo.

God damn, I am fucking livid. This kind of this might be debatable on halfchan but here of all places? Kill yourself. Don't wait, do it. Blow your fucking brains out.

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I think you solved your own riddle. No one is going to make games for a market that doesnt exist. Go back to business 101 before you can spout ignorant shit like that.

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Been doing that forever. Normalfags who like their slots and easy dopamine rush far outnumber you and I.
I see you were projecting when you were calling others kikes.

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You are either retarded, underage, or both. The 5% of the population that have standards make no difference to the overwhelming majority of brainless normalfags that will gladly gobble up the shit. "Interfering with a hobby" is a ridiculous argument against the very real threat of companies using proven psychological marketing tactics to goad the weak-minded into forking out their life-savings for a phone game.

Question: why do you care what other people do with their money? Why would you want to play games from a company that makes DLC and micro shit?

I suppose false advertising is okay too, as long as it's in vidya, since we don't want the government interfering with anything in vidya or their business models.

Because money rules the world

Because I'm not a fucking jew. Even if people are idiot normalfags who would fall for a phone game's mind tricks does not mean they are worthless human beings and deserve to be exploited by kikes.

Wow, it's almost like making your own business rather than being a wageslave was universally risky

Ask me how I know you're British.

The government should apply the laws equally to all forms of gambling, not pick favorites.

Just because Holla Forums supports this government doesn't mean you have to make this kayfabe scene of opposing it. Even less reason to do so in this case, because we both know nothing will ever get done here regardless.

ITT: Gommunism vs Capitalism

Ask me how I'm know you're jewish.

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I'll take "The Slippery Slope Fallacy" for 500

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Two different things.

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FOR WHAT PURPOSE

They don't like current gamblings so they want whatever circumvents them to continue circumventing them, even if it's to the eds the detriment of vidya and the dopamine addiction of children.

shit

They don't like current gambling laws so they want whatever circumvents them to continue circumventing them, even if it's to the detriment of vidya and the dopamine addiction of children because virtual slots should be for all ages and inside a young child's pocket wherever they go..

every fucking time. Slippery slope is real you fuckhead. We've seen it throughout history, especially with government takeovers

Who else ancap here? Seems to have a lot of support in this thread.

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his slope makes no sense, though.

Yes it does. See China and Russia.

Laws regulating business models are not laws regulating content itself. If they were, free speech would supersede any such laws in the US. Anywhere without free speech laws is already fucked anyways when it comes to the slippery slope of govnernment regulating the content of entertainment.

China and Russia do not respect free speech. In fact, I'm fairly sure laws against the content of entertainment in China and Russia existed before any such laws about gambling via vidya ever came to pass.

Regulating gambling in games has absolutely zero correlation with banning genres, dipshit.

You don't know what genre means.

I'll bet you're the kind of hypocrite who threw a fit when this guy came for your shooters.

lol do you even speak english?

is this bad? Like the shuttle music player on the app store is 100 percent functional as a free download, no ads or any of that shit, but if you get the pro version you get extra themes and an indexing feature, along with supporting the devs. Wouldn't banning all micro transactions get rid of the harmless one time purchase kind?

besides how do you even define a micro transaction? Does it have to cost a certain amount? Does it have to be repeating? You can't really define it in terms of gameplay since a game like tap souls has micro transactions but none of them are even needed to play the game. Are the tanks in warthunder micro transactions if they cost like 15 dollars a piece?

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OP is a fag. We'd be taking care of things that are literally gambling and creating a stigma against things like microstransaction. But microtransaction themselves would still exist.

>business model affects how you access content

I believe the the "micro" in micro transactions refers to the amount of content you are getting. The tanks in warthunder are not enough content to be considered "dlc" so they're labeled as "micro transactions"

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Whether it be hate speech, violent games, or gambling, if you try to ban something it can always come back to bite you in the ass when the people in charge have closed minds and broad definitions. The faggots who want to ban this shit are no better than the SJWs who want to ban hate speech.

In before "B-but MY definition of bad things is universal! That's a non-argument! The people who enforce laws won't ever find loopholes or see things from a different perspective!"

Gambling is already banned or regulated in many places. It's just that people are using vidya to circumvent the law for shekels.
Content and the business models used to deliver it are two different things.

Not when both are affected by "morality" regulations.

#WHOA who could have seen that coming?

I could see a micro-transaction ban easily scaled to ban all forms of gambling and investment banking and investments in general. It sounds fucking stupid but it's that kind of leftist idiocy that always manages to squeak on through and fucks up everything. That 1986 machine gun registration ban is a good example, utterly demolished the gun market for a while and really fucked over security firms for absolutely no reason.

People want to tell me the stadium events autism is bad, just wait until you see the prices an auto-receiver will get.

okay so we could have a right to free speech but you could ban all books, radio and non-sanctioned television? Or you could have a right to bear arms but you can't take them anywhere without getting arrested and you can't store ammunition with your guns.

Since gambling is usually age restricted in the states where it's legal, it would force those games to be adult only or remove the cancer that is loot boxes.

That's banning all business models, not specific ones, like loot boxes or false advertising.
Sounds like that's content based to me.
That's rendering the right to bear arms pointless would be terrible, but it's not stopping you from accessing them, so it's not an equivalent analogy.

Which is why it should be banned universally

Doesn't matter if people follow them, game companies want to get lower ratings for the bigger audience. All major retailers, companies, and console manufacturers have universally agreed upon ban on AO. Either they kill lootboxes, or they kill the stigma surrounding the rating.

This. You're really only only going to get a response out of the industry if it hurts their bottom line.

I don't mind Lootboxes in games if you buy them with game money and not real money.

As long as you can't buy the game money with real money, then they are tolerable. Still don't like content gated behind excessive RNG period.

Exactly. You want more money for your lootboxes? grind more.

And I'm mostly conflicted. I just like the feeling of opening a card packet and find new cool stuff.

And shelling out money every time for this short dopamine rush that doesn't even require gameplay?

and if they kill the stigma how would that benefit us at all?

I said already I don't want real money involved.

Can you tell me why it should be banned universally?

"It's illegal in one place, therefore it should be universally illegal!" is not an argument. If everyone abided by that logic you and your boyfriend would be stoned because homosexuality is outlawed in endless sandnigger countries.

AO would no longer be the kiss of death user. Pretty much any game that gets an M rating that would normally be toned down to avoid AO would no longer have to be. It would mean greater creative freedom for devs. This would only apply to games going for adult ratings in the first place, so I'm not expecting it to fix censorship that aims for a T rating or lower, but it'd be massive step in the right direction.

It also mean bringing japanese porn games being distributed on Steam.

I'd tried not jump straight to the "muh dick" argument, but that as well.

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Gambling is an addictive hobby which only exists to give the house everything the participants own. There's no reason for it to be legal, unless you are the house.

Most of the games labeled AO are degenerate, and don't deserve to be sold.

Wew fucking lad.

nice argument :^)

You know, they always try to advocate for sexual rights, liberation shit and all that yet they still keep stigmaticizing porn.

Isn't that hypocritical?

Yes. We know. We've know this for a long time.

There is not a single thing the jew does which isn't hypocritical.

I won't rest until we have Artificial Academy on a game store shelves or in Steam's Market.

Of course, especially when they call porn mysoginistic and shit like that.

We've got a modern day Plato over here boys. Guess we need to ban video games since they're way more addictive than gambling.

wat

Yeah, video games are addictive. Didn't you want to ban gambling because it was addictive?

I think the difference here is that the entertainment games give go a lot farther for the money that is offered. Even if you win a game, you don't pay to replay or keep going.
Gambling only offers entertainment by shoveling money into it. Even if you win, you can't keep playing without paying. That's why it's so easy for the house to win.

Video games are not addictive, c2cb8f. Even if they are, they do not exist solely to take every bit of money you have.

Yes they are and yes they do.

To who? You? What about all the poor children and countless NEETs afflicted with video game addictions?

Have you been living under a rock the past decade or are you willfully ignorant of the way DLC, microtransactions, and freemium games have invaded the video game industry?

So its about banning things that are bad value for money?

:^)
Those are all shit games, though. Why do you believe banning "loot boxes" in games will get games banned?

Granblue shills should be hung with two nooses.

For what reason should video games be legal then?

I'm not sure what you're saying. Why shouldn't they be legal?

Leave it to the cripplechan NEET to refute any claims that his life of videogames was an addictive time waster. I guess if you're already relying on the government to provide your welfare check and subsidized ghetto housing, it's not a tall stretch to let the government control your videogames too.

refer to the bit here where you said "not an argument".

Well the standard that things need a reason to be legal is set up in this post

I'm curious as to how you'd justify them in a situation where they require that justification.

Muh Nationalized Socialism

I don't really have a good reason for them to be legal, but unlike gambling, I don't have a good reason for them to be illegal either.

It seems to me that video games and gambling actually do have a lot in common without any real differences. In exchange for money and time you can get some fun. You can spend as much or as little as you want on either. In both there are extreme instances where people will spend all of their time and money on them, causing people to withdraw from society, education and work. They both get people extremely angry and both can light the fuse of criminal behavior. They both prey on the human reward system by allowing you to put resources in to get a dopamine hit back. There are also moderate cases where people will just have a go once a week for a couple hours and no harm done.

It seems that your argument is that none of this happens with video games at all and gambling has a way of making people act out of character.

Where am I going wrong here?

I would have no problem with video games being illegal. The industry has been going downhill for long enough that I doubt it'll come back up. There is one difference that you didn't notice, though. Video games consume time; Gambling consumes money.

But you just said you have no good reason for video games to be illegal. You are alright with things being illegal for no good reason?

If that thing is video games, sure.

Goons are among us

Gambling is a game of chance which you must continually dump money into. Games that aren't gambling are games of skill which require effort, and proficiency to get enjoyment. Like sports, hiking, or other hobbies. Not to mention you can buy a game and never have to spend money on it again whereas lootboxes are monetary black holes. To say people can get addicted to gaming with the only negative effect being wasted time, and that gaming should be illegal for that, is to say any activity which you can waste time on should be illegal. With gambling you pay money forever for dopamine. With gaming you pay money for the opportunity to earn a dopamine rush by completing unique tasks, just like any other hobby that may require you to spend some amount of money on it.

Mario Party frequently makes use of slot machine mechanics, and you have to pay for that game. It should be banned, right?

Do you have to pay real money every time you roll those slots, or do you buy the game and can roll as much as you want with fake currency that cannot be bought with real currency?

You have to pay real money to roll those slots, yes. It's called the price of the game. Are you suggesting a one time fee for betting is not gambling?

Yes. Once you own that game, you can roll those slots infinitely many times. I've never heard of one time fees for betting. Wouldn't that mean that you can eventually make your money back with no further risk? How the would the people offering the fee make money off of that model when people could just keep playing until they win without putting any more money in?

Videogames are already dead you fucking retards.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookmaker_(gambling)

In before "Betting is not gambling!"

I must be blind. Where's the part where I can pay once and then run the odds forever?

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Why are you even here

Why are you here?

To be a (1) and done shitposting faggot most likely. Answer the question.

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So the illegal part is having to pay each time to play? Do we ban literally everything consumable then?

You buy a consumable, you own it.

Let add to my statement. It's not just that you're paying each time to play. It's that you are paying each time in order to play a game of chance, not skill.

This. The only thing that crashed in the "great crash" was the console market with its cucked devkit taxes and deceptive loss-leader pricing, PC and arcade master races did better than ever. The only thing Nintendo resuscitated was this parasitic walled-garden business model, and gaming would be infinitely better off if it had stayed dead forever.

Nothing except the fact that there is a direct financial incentive for all developers to insert real-money "mechanics" into their games, and buy up or sabotage any developers that don't. This is us-or-them, we need to destroy their business model before they destroy ours.

Did you read the OP? Do you understand that we are being assaulted by armies of lobotomized drug addicts? Can you think of some way the "free" market could stop their deathmarch?

If other people are freely deciding to freely fund the extermination of my hobby in the free market, you're saying I shouldn't try to stop them, because that would violate their marketastic freedomness?

>Laws on the business models
>Laws on the creative content of the games
Two different things.
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So, what you're saying is that, by some strange alchemy, simply by criminalizing the ability to pay real money for lootboxes, some intangible essence of vital artistic importance will be lost from the game? This is a whole new level of kikery.

1) OP was mainly about gambling under existing law, which involves an element of uncertainty in the purchase, and as such couldn't possibly apply to what you're describing.
2) OP also specified a non-legal, purely cultural agitation against other slimy business models, which would push normalfags away from vidya, and within the gamer demographic normalize a cultural intolerance and contempt against such practices.
3) That said, unlocking features that are mutually exclusive with the locked version of the game (like new areas or modes), and as such by definition offer no competitive advantage. Even for things like cosmetics or DLC, the primary objection to them isn't that they're inherently evil, but that they are almost always massively overpriced.
4) Anything you're allowed (i.e.: expected by the dev) to "purchase" more than once crosses a very distinct line easy for the law to characterize, and is a slimy practice that should be legally restricted or criminalized.

Even the absolute worst-case scenario of your objection is "developers have to go back to full games, maybe with expansion packs. Cry me a fucking river, kike.

Gambling has been illegal or severely restricted for centuries. Also, unlike investment, gambling has NO PLAUSIBLE SCENARIO FOR CREATING NET ECONOMIC GROWTH.

Yeah, no real money involved is fine, that's no worse than grinding in Diablo. About the closest that could get to the sleaze of modern-day lootboxes is an MMO that charges you a monthly fee while you play through intentionally bloated grind.

Best of all possible worlds

Gambling isn't bad just because it's addictive, it's bad because (unlike games, which are supposed to be fun) gambling is ONLY ADDICTIVE, and serves no other purpose

Is anyone surprised Randroid lolberts can't separate fantasy from reality?

Again
how old are you son?

You know I was talking about his supposed example of gambling where you pay a one time fee. I brought that up because I was leery of it being a real thing, and lo and behold it does not seem to be, so his analogy to Mario Party is pointless.

It could work, or at least attenuate the problem. Selling kids DVDs or tickets for R-rated movies is one thing, to NC-17 movies is quite another.

Ah, sorry, I should pay more attention to IDs.

You realize parents these days don't give a single ==SHIT== and will just buy them for the kids?

Hello newfriend!

This is your brain on Holla Forums

Jesus fucking Christ it's like you have Downs with a dash of fetal alcohol syndrome. You are easily the dumbest faggot in this thread.

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The apologism offered in this thread are pretty pathetic, but I was amazed to see how Swiss cheese the industry itself's arguments are: