PC Gaming

The only innovation I care about is LED beginning to replicate CRT persistence levels. Your gameplay on 99% of monitors today are blurry garbage of motion. Soon in a few years at 500hz-1khz monitors, LED's will become as clear as CRT's blur free scanning. I give it 5 years max.

NVIDIA is already working on gsync+ULMB working together on variable refresh rates. Once this is made we can get clarity without needing 1khz monitors.

240hz is out now, which is 4ms persistence, at 500hz theres barely any motion blur and you don't need ulmb strobing etc. But gsync is great for games that run sub-max refresh rates. My 120hz monitor has terrible motion blur, and doesnt use gsync or ulmb.

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How about no

It actually is, but I'm still a bit reluctant to invest in a new rig.

Can you elaborate on how that'll affect the industry? Sounds interesting.

Yes, I've noticed that. Why the fuck do new games run like absolute horse shit? How do devs get away with this? Have people just given up as consumers? Not even mentioning the content of the game, but I expect the fucking thing to run at least. That's bare minimum.

SSD is one of the few upgrades that actually does make a big difference. They are amazing. Sure, stuff still runs fine on a HDD. But I could never go back now that I've used a SSD.

Built my PC in 2010. Since then I replaced my Radeon 4890 with a 290 (because the fan died, it was still running modern games just fine) and upgraded from 4 gigs of RAM to 16 a week ago just for the hell of it. 4 gigs is still enough for most modern games but it was cutting it really close. Have a TB and a half of storage space but I'm finally starting to run low after 7 years, have a little under 250 gigs left. I may pick up a 2 TB drive just for games/movies/porn storage.

Now is your performance slipping because of part degradation or are you playing newer games, that's the important question.

I'm not that user. But increasing hardware does present a problem in the world of game development. There is a constant push for better and better graphics. But we already barely utilize the capabilities of current hardware. And this is going to be a growing problem. Because the time needed to develop for modern hardware is much higher than lower end hardware (if you need the highest possible detail assets). So now only the highest budget companies can afford to put out games with super high end graphics. And they do this at the expense of developing innovative games. Games have barely changed at all in the past 10 years, if not longer. Innovation is all but dead.

Not an argument. They are the ones, not amd, finding out how to solve the lcd motion blur problem. AMD had to come up with their own to compete called freesync. Its hardware in the monitor you buy, you can't avoid nvidia or amd anymore on 120-240 hz monitors. The next big problem is not only gpu's needing to chug through 4k-8k resolution, but needing to render 240+ frames/sec. No single gpu can do either and especially not both. Here's to hoping gpu's can keep up the next 20 years.

It wont make any huge differences because again, the enthusiast market will buy the latest shit regardless. This is why I made the analogy that the modern PC market is right where the vehicle market was around the 1980s. People still use 80's Japanese shitboxes as daily drivers today because they still make competitive gas mileage. There has been no quantum leaps since then. The same with the computer industry today. I expect the second-hand markets and the non-OEM parts market to flourish though.

I have wanted to upgrade to SSD a few times, but nothing so far has made me need to. Only reason I bought the new graphics card was because the one I had was from my last PC and even that was a budget card.

I never had that, it's one of the things I've wanted to try.

I still rock 4GB and barely enough space with 1TB

It's degradation noticeable even outside of gaming, most of it is my fault because I didn't do a proper job on maintenance. It feels like the PC is scraping by instead of working smoothly. Plus I've noticed dangerously high temps and it's all stock clock.

Might want to look into prices to replace your parts with equivalents.

i still play games on a gtx650 and fx6350. the only games i cant play are AAA singleplayer games which i don't even give a fuck about.

And nothing will require a SSD, at least for many years to come. But they'll be becoming more and more appealing over time. The main benefit for games is much faster load times when the game is reading data off the HD into memory. But that really only matters in high competitive games, where loading a level faster than others is beneficial. But the benefit of fast load times is pretty universal. SSD have more or less equally fast load times for all data, which makes virtually everything load much much faster than on a HDD. They also have no spin up time like a HDD that has went to sleep to save power. Don't get me wrong though. I still use non-stop HDD for storing media and making data backups. However, SSD are just too awesome not to use for installing your OS, games, and programs.

As much as I harp on their benefits. They really don't make much of a difference in games. They only make games load faster. They don't give games any faster FPS. And they don't give any improvement to graphics. That is mostly handled by your GPU, CPU, and to some extent, RAM. But like I said earlier. There is no way I could go back to using a HDD for my OS and/or programs. SSD are literally 10+ times faster in read and write times compared to a 7200 RPM HDD. Some of the newest SSD are more like 40 or 50 times faster.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that SSD don't need to be defragmented. They suffer only a very minor loss in performance from file fragmentation. Because there is no mechanical read head like in a HDD. They have equal access time to data located anywhere on the SSD. Pretty much just like RAM does.

Honestly I never saw the appeal for SSDs save for a boot drive, even on a 5400 rpm drive it's never come to the point where I'd say, "This is too slow".
Maybe GIMP, but from what I heard Gimp's loader is infamously slow and a piece of shit

They aren't necessary. But they're REALLY nice to have, IMO. Your PC would probably load about 10-15 times faster on an older 2.5" SSD compared to a 5400 RPM HDD. The newest PCI-E SSD are insanely faster. You should be able to appreciate this difference in time if you think about it. But you won't really until you actually experience it. A fresh Windows install on one of the newest PCI-E SSD should fully load everything in the OS in about 10 or 15 secs after windows starts to load. It really depends how much shit you have loading on start up. But regardless, that increased speed also extends to other things loading. Like browsers and applications, in general.

normal hdds don't need to be defragmented on modern filesystems

It's totally a luxury thing for the most part, but once you have it you don't want to go back.

adoredTV did an amazing video on this, concluding with today's PC high end market is offering the same growths over previous generations of hardware as the middle end market. PC gamers are buying $600 mid range cards, and the 1080Ti is one of them.

There is never not a reason to upgrade. Letting others control your judgment so you think everything new sucks without limit because someone on Holla Forums said so is NPC-tier. Upgraded just this year. Only badly optimized shit like ARMA has performance issues now.
Probably the same faggots that 20 years ago would be screeching about Quake and Quake 2 being such terrible awful unoptomized trash because the 386 they could barely run Doom on with no graphics accelerator couldn't run them.

Which is why you still need to defrag on Windows in 2017

This is the part where you start listing games that are both worth playing and hardware intensive enough to need hardware newer than four years old.
Yeah, bro. Developers are totally paying attention to optimization even though we're seeing more and more games that run poor on even high end PC's and the only things that have been steadily increasing are hardware requirements and how much space on your HDD a game takes, despite the fact that games aren't getting much more graphically intensive nor are they filled with crazy resource intensive mechanics under the hood to justify any of it.

Developers have less and less incentive to bother properly optimizing their game and "lol just buy more hardware" is part of that reason.

It loads anything much faster, and not just at boot. GIMP takes like 2 seconds to load with one.

I agree it's exaggerated but there are many un-optimised games nowadays. It's much harder to optimise when the games are getting so complex.
Most games nowadays use a handful of popular engines to run for this reason. Theoretically, everybody using the same engine should make optimisation easier since the engine is better understood, but every game has different requirements, and some engines like Unreal only allow full source code access after you pay, so you won't find open discussion about the code everywhere like you would for, say, building a website.
Either way the consumerist whore behaviour isn't good. There's got to be a reason.

Check your fans. Maybe it's only them that need to be replaced.

No.

Blow it out your ass, game are starting to look worse and still manage to run worse.

but muh fat32

but what if I don't like RTSs and FPSs? Is there aything else worth playing on a PC?

Everything else.

Like rpgs, sims, squad based games, hack 'n slashes, adventure and action games?

Oh yeah, forgot sims and adventure. I assume you meant point and click adventure right? Yeah, nah, one is trash the other died a few decades ago.
So for everything else, consoles have a broader library anyway. If you don't like FPSs and RTSs, investing on a gaming PC seems like waste of money

If you actually pay for PC games then something has gone very wrong.

Is there even been any actual RPG released this decade, No, shitty open world game are not RPGs.

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There is been.

A real RPG has never been released on any vidya system.

Like those rpgs right?

You already seem hell bent on the idea that PC only has RTS and FPS games, even going as retardedly far as to believe it has less than consoles in other genres, so why even come here to ask?
No, don't buy a PC. Nobody cares.

muh engrish mistake

Of course, vidya RPGs as in player created character based choice and consequences.

It's a good thing then that PC lets you play most console games as well then, isn't it, shitposter? With better performance and graphics, with any control method you want and with mods. In addition to the decades old library, emulation and piracy should you want to. Paying for fucking online play and sub-20 FPS is definitely better though.

I sit at a PC 8 hours a day doing intensive critical thinking and the last thing I want to do is continue that during my time off. I'd take a laptop, a comfy bed, and some mindless game over 2EDGY4U gaymer fags yelling at me in CounterStrike any day.

CS is the Citizen Kane of shooters.

No.

This is the only game i might consider updating my rig if needed to, assuming it comes out before 2034.

Only if there are games out there that you can't run properly, and if you don't think it's worth throwing money at it.

I know this is bait, I'm biting anyway
If there aren't any games on PC you like there's no reason to bother with a gaming PC. Older and smaller PC games will run just fine on an old laptop anyway.
One of PC's biggest advantages is that you don't have to publish a game for others to play it. You can code your own game in a week or so, and put it out on the internet and people can enjoy it, without any hassle. People have already done this, especially in the RPGMaker scene. They're free, easy to run and some are pretty good.

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Witcher 3 is probably the only worthwhile PC game that is demanding.

Most games are released on consoles first, and PC later. Unless you count steam greenlight library, then consoles can't compete not that anyone wants that shit, though

Also most games are shit, what's your point?

General breakdown goes:
If yes, then definitely upgrade. A Kaby Lake i7 with 32gb of RAM should provide playable results with a long list of assets, Coffee Lake will be buttery smooth.
If yes, only upgrade the GPU. As OP (correctly) pointed out though, AAA has been garbage for about five years now. My personal guilty pleasure is GTA V, but most of the games I play came out around 2010 at the latest. A GTX 1070 would be great, if cryptojews would stop buying them.

Hey I wanted to point out to all you guys, if the game is in Unreal Engine 4, force launch in shader model 4 (-sm4) to substantially increase your fps.

How can anyone try to sell this for any amount of money with a straight face. People have no fucking shame. There are Flash games fro Newgrounds significantly better than the wave of garbage enabled by steam goylight.

I already told you to not buy a PC and fuck off. Nobody cares to convince you.

What the fuck is even a "Citizen Kane" or "Citizen Kabuto"?

Main reason is if you want to go up in screen resolution because that'll actually increase the requirements of your games.

Otherwise, no.

I'm in the same boat OP. Unless something really great comes along I'm just going to hold off ass long as possible.

Because the vast majority of people just browse the Web on their phones, and gaming is one of the few areas (along with business and education) where having a proper PC is necessary.

High refresh rate is a big improvement. Not worth the money if you are a poorfag though

Call me a faggot for the blueprints of my first build:

pcpartpicker.com/list/jky8Gf

The only refreshing that'll be happening tonight is in your ass, faggot.

Yes.
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Pretty decent. I'd try to get RAM with a higher frequency since the Ryzen 5 performs even better with faster memory speeds. Also, see if you can find a deal on the 6gb 1060 for futureproofing.

Any idea when I could expect a deal on a 6GB to pop up? As for the RAM, I guess this would be a better choice then? pcpartpicker.com/product/BYH48d/corsair-memory-cmk8gx4m2b3000c15

There was no reason to discontinue that CPU either other than sheckles. I have never overclocked it could still run any game at max settings, although the newest game I played was Metro 2033 redux. I doubt the latest version is that much faster either.

Maybe if modern PC games weren't held down to console standards and actually had a reason to warrant a modern rig I could understand. But I am pretty sure my PC can run any AAA shitbag game fine. This is just forcing an upgrade and I'm just gunna buy a used MOBO

I built in 2014 and the only thing I want is maybe a larger SSD.

I could upgrade my RAM and my graphics card, but they're both perfectly good enough and I don't have any interest in getting a few more FPS out of my favorite games when they all get 100+ already. Only thing that would push me is if I decide to get some extra monitors.

They discontinued all the old good mobos to force you to buy shit with hardware backdoors courtesy of the Intel Management Engine.

Wouldn't bother. As long as your system files are on the SSD, you won't notice significant difference if you just get a large harddrive for your games and programs. I have a 1TB external for files like pictures and movies that can happily run off USB 3.0 speeds, a 300GB HDD for all my programs and games, and a 120GB SSD for system files. Works pretty well though I don't stress my computer to its limits and don't have a very expensive computer.

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I'll buy fucking gtx1080 for monhun world if need to.

It makes a big difference. I put everything on a 1TB SSD and it's massively improved programming-related tasks, database work, video editing, photo editing, and some vidya, especially Subnautica.

I know this is kind of how it's supposed to work, but do the people that hang on to Sandy Bridge really put that much value on it, or is it the whole scarce market thing?

This is the nu-Holla Forums contrarian faggot in you speaking, mixed with a little bit of sour grapes, not all new games are trash.
Also if you want contrarian hipster faggot compatible reasons to upgrade: Emulation.
Then there are also the simple objective improvements you can make to your system like increased resolution, high refreshrate, IPS or VA monitors, which in turn need better hardware to support them.

I dunno I like new games, and I like good graphics, so yeah.
If you only like old games then nah.
It's very simple.

Reminder that consolecuckery kills braincells and you risk becoming like this guy.

I have a 2014 shitter budget PC, it can run pretty much everything that comes out these days in 1080p, usually at medium-ish settings, and probably low to minimum for absolute AAA meme games.

I actually feel like I could use this thing for another five or so years, if developers actually bothered to optimize their shit games. But, optimized games don't sell NEW NVIDIA 6000000Ti XD EDITION GREEEFIXS CARDS, and pointless sixteen core Intel processors with built in spyware. Seriously, 90% of the "High end", obscenely overpriced PC parts are more or less completely pointless for any realistic use, other than memes like 4k, and they would be even more pointless, if developer still bothered with PC optimization.

lmao

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No need to get so passive aggressive, just pointing out your contradiction. You ought to avoid making an ass out of yourself next time you post on the subject.

I only upgrade my PC for emulation. Bought a 6600k for Dolphin and now with PS3 and Wii U emulation on its way I might upgrade in a year or two.

Except you didn't point out a single contradiction and made an ass out of yourself
Did you get banned on cuckchan or something?

New games are trash, fam.

I went for a 8350 with the wraith cooler, was 5 cents more than without. I will upgrade way down the road. There is a multicore war going on right now, should give long life to older multicore cpus. Not many new games that appeal anyways, and the future trend will likely be to remaster old gems and niche games for the missing out youth of today and the oldfags to replay something worth replaying.