Voice actor strike

Where were you when Ashley Burch was btfo?

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(((Voice Actor Union)))

the strike was basically jews overestimating their reach and fucking themselves over.

Some people say unions are bad but unions put Ashley Burch out of a job so they can't be that bad.

Unions are only as bad as the job they represent is worthless.

Unions are either great or awful like for my dad works in a pretty monopolistic industry so the union legit protects him and his co-workers from (((verizons))) (((schemes)))

I wanna fuck Ashly Burch

Unions aren't bad by design, the way they're seen in the US is partially the result of a successful (((PR campaign))). Of course there's still enough shitty unions.
Sage to avoid turning this into a politics thread.

Anthony please

This just keeps happening over and over. People only notice it more in gaming now after they overplayed their hand in the "Gamers Are Dead" barrage after digging into the relations of one fat ugly jewess revealed the incestuous cronyism and victimhood tactics which feed (((their))) influence everywhere.

Isn't the strike still technically ongoing? After it started and all the initial hubbub ended, I didn't hear a damn peep about it since. That's usually a pretty bad sign.

You're on a politics imageboard.

The (((unions))) are the ones making it political.

What's the fucking justification for this?

Jews.

user, there are unions that will sue studios and production companies for letting anyone other than the designated setmakers move props on a stage. Unions are just a phalanx of lawyers.

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gender equality

This Germany's fucking badass. You'd think they would've learn their lesson by now.

do they still delude themselves that they're somehow integral in the procedure of creating a videogame and trying to create a pseudo-culture of fanboys similar to that the jap VAs have?
here's a tip: not happening
Jap VAs are as disimilar to their western counterparts as jap videogames are to western ones

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>"Gamers Are Dead"
We reached a new level user, now Gaming is dead

But if gaming is dead, then what will become of Holla Forums?

Here's to hoping both Burchs stay out of the industry for good.

Holla Forums is Hell. or Heaven, depending on your prespective.

they didnt learn it in the 1940s either, user
they didnt kill any on purpose during WWII

I don't have a problem with VAs going on strike. It's kind of stupid, but it's still their right.
I just wish the people pushing for better conditions and benefits were the people who are more important to actually making the game–programmers, artists, designers, etc.
They're the ones who suffer during crunch time. They should get their shit together and unionize. They get the shit end of the stick, much more than VAs do.
Sage because this thread will probably end in shitflinging.

USA only has a union problem

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I truly hope burch does not get any more work

she didnt voice the prequel to life is strange did she becuase mub strike?

While ill always prefer japshit voicing there is times where games dont have it
Like cold steel, FUCK burch for ruining millium

If only they had killed them instead. Would it have been so hard?

Holla Forums is a board, not an imageboard.

It's not even that. Many states passed so-called "right-to-work" laws that were intended to bleed unions of cash by allowing free riders. It worked. That's why union participation in the US is so low.
Polite sage for being sort of off-topic.

I thought it was over. I haven't heard any news since it started. Apparently it's the longest running strike for the Screen Actors Guild Awards. The companies tried to negotiate but the union rejected them. The only "major" impact so far was Ashly Burch didn't reprise her "hella" role as Chloe Price. Seems like they are being entitled when programmers should be getting most of the credit.

There is very few games where voice acting has helped. Hearing the same voice actors with the same delivery in different roles can get tiring. I'm not sure I should attribute this to the strike but I've been hearing a lot of early 90s style dubbing for new jrpgs being advertised. Again, I think that has always been there but I'm just hearing it more since I look up new games a lot more than I used to.

Well, the voice actors are still getting work, just not in the game division. Burch is still meme potato girl for attack on titan. Her voice was in Horizo Zero Dawn and Agents of Mayhem butt I guess those were done before the strike or because of some conflicting information that some companies agreed while the major ones did not. It's confusing and the only thing that pops up on this subject is wikipedia, ars technica and ign with the latest info. I guess people really don't care that much at all.

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No it's an imageboard, do honestly not know that textboards are a thing?

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I think it's fair, as long as the increase in benefits and pay would force studios to hire better talent to suit the pay grade and oust shitty voice actors from the industry for good.

The shitty voice actors are the ones on strike so it's already forcing studios to hire better talent.

Apparently this strike is the reason there was no Halo news this past E3. The actors for Captain King and Cortana are both in that union and they couldn't get them to make trailer dialogue.

lmao, most can't act for shit and just speak in their natural voice

They're still on strike? kek
Please keep going for as long as possible.

Wait you played nier automata with English voices? What kinda guy that you are?

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Pure poetry.

It's like when you've got a generic white collar cubicle job, and there's that one 80 year old guy working there who constantly fucks up and does everything wrong and he doesn't even know how to use the computer. But they don't want to fire him for his elderly incompetence, because it would be a human resources nightmare if he decides to lawyer up about it. So he mistakenly thinks he's more valuable than everyone else because he's been working there forever and fucks up constantly but doesn't get fired. But the higher-ups are constantly just waiting for the perfect excuse to get rid of him without a lawsuit.

Now imagine this man decided to go on strike because the office vending machine didn't carry his favorite snack.

This would be a great list of some of the muh satanism sources were taken out.

VA strike was fucking retarded.

First, it started when they went after companies denying VA's basic shit like water during sessions. Okay. Respectable.

Then it grew to the point where they wanted as much pay as programmers and actual people who made the game. There's so much wrong with that. You're not doing as much work as they are if you're a VA.

And most of these VA strikers are fucking nobody's who are absolute trash at feeling like a character. I'm pretty sure that this strike alone lowered the quality of English dubs tenfold. Glad it's over and now we have good dubs like P5.

Man forget getting paid as much as devs. Some of the faggots straight up called for royalties. FUCKING ROYALTIES. Because 60$ isn't a big enough price tag.

Tip harder, you stupid fucking faggot.

>Behold I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews and are not but do lie; behold I will make them to come and worship before thy feet… – Revelation 3:9

Which still manages to sound fake as all hell.

No, you don't.

Choose one.

I used to think the same, until i found out (after much research) that they are indeed slaves and footsoldiers of Loki/Jeovah/Yahweh/Satan aka the first (and let's hope the last) Demiurge of this Earth.

(((They))) ruined the labour movement.

The metaphor doesn't really hold up, since you can't go on strike unless you're in a union.

You're retarded.

I guess that explains why Windows 10 hasn't seen a single update in over a month (Yes, I fell for it).

I will never care about voice acting from any country.

Yes, I do.

Why do you want to fuck a man.

Based on all the things he typed out, I think he actually meant "raised the quality" rather than "lowered."

She used to be so cute. Crazy how an attitude change and new hair can change a person

That's bullshit.

Same can definitely be said about Cristina Vee who unlike Burch, can actually act, though she's definitely just as full koolaid, along with probably 95% of the talent pool

Hitler was just too nice. That was the only mistake he made.

You want to fuck a female version of Jontron?

Nope. Maybe it's different in your country, but in the US, only unions are allowed to go on strike, and only after they've given their employer 30 days' notice. If you strike without meeting both of those conditions, it's declared an illegal "wildcat" strike. Look it up if you don't believe me.

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I actively prefer shitty unknown VA's because my suspension of disbelief extends into the voices so they could be complete garbage and it would probably assist, and cheesey voice actors ascend beyond all others anyway because they actually fuckin fun, which is why games are played.
VA's are generally awful though, the voices i made in my head as a kid for text heavy RPGs were better.

Unions in the US are generally Ponzi Schemes and organized thuggery merged into one, with a dash of Communism for good measure. Every year I see ads for the local Electrician's Union telling shop owners to "Hire Union to hang their christmas lights", and yhere's always this unspoken subtext of "You wouldn't want any unfortunate… accidents… would ya?"

Oh, you're one of those.

I admit she used to be cute, but she's gone full hypocritical socjus. At least she's better off than her brother.

This has really been nothing but beneficial for the industry as a whole. It's so nice to pick up a game, pop it in, and not get immediately sucked out of whatever game I'm playing by hearing the same exact voice I've heard in fifteen other games already. There are very few members of this little union who have any range whatsoever, and I could go the rest of my life without hearing another Tara Strong or Steve Blume voiced character and be a happy man for it.

I dunno, I kinda like Steve Blum when he's in a self aware role, or his voice actually fits the role like Heartbreak One. He needs to do more parody work of himself and others like him, and I don't think he takes himself so seriously that he wouldn't do it.

Everything makes sense now

Jontron would have to be full blown Fuhrer Wuz Right, GTKRWN level Holla Forums to be Nega-Burch.

I actually laughed

At least they're not Anthony Burch.

Daily reminder that to be a VA for a western videogame you need minimal talent.

she's cute in the third image, in second image i want to push her off that boat

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Blum has two voices.
Regular Blum (Spike Spiegel, Big O)
And effeminate Blum (Orochimaru, Leeron from TTGL)
Some may argue that there is a third path of Tough Guy Blum. But that has been proven to be regular Blum shifted down an octave.

Weekly reminder that the strike is the reason Gaylo 6 is on indefinite hold.

Can't place that there M'Lord

I never followed anything this Ashley cunt did, but I recall some faggots calling her based about 2 years ago or so? Who is this bitch anyways?

Anthony Burch's sister, if you don't know who that is, maybe you're a little too young to browse this board.

Maybe you are a little too much of an e-celeb cocksucker to deserve to exist faggot

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Condolences for the brain damage

Dear god man just stop posting

Anthony Burch is the most pathetic human bean to exist in this world user, to not know who he is at all is to have never been here 2 years ago.

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No it's pretty clear here that you don't know anything about Anthony Burch or his sister the voice actor. Absolutely nothing.

Reading comprehension user, it's obvious that the latter half of is referring to Anthony Burch himself.

Honestly though not knowing who either of the Burchs are should be to someone's credit.

I believe you, but i'd like more information on this if you have it?

Wew, checked.

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The only thing that has even been touched by this were some sequels that had to change a character's VA. That and some new scab talent popping up at this time is literally all you'll ever notice of this when looking at old games from 2016/7 during this time.

This was basic economics too: You can only control the flow of a resource if you actually have a significant portion of it. There are literally entire countries willing to produce an alternative at no extra cost if they already have a branch there (as the recordings are all digital and don't have to be shipped).

they're both disgusting hapas with an obsession with shit, so, kinda

If you're going to cherrypick, at least use actual bad performances like Cinque.

one day

In b4 a mod shoah's half of this thread.

Make wacky voices and play them over bad gameplay footage for youtube. You'll be a star overnight.

If you honestly think the current crop of amateur ex-Newgrounds e-whore VAs are good you need a hearing test.

Yet it''s politics that responsible for any of us even being here in the first place Mark you dumb kike.

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Unions have always been like this user. For example: union workers usually don't have to work as much as non-union workers, but they get higher pay for less product.

Great isnt it, if only future VAs learned from this strike and stay humble.

You could always take out a loan like chibi did and be a voice of some character in a kickstarter game

Can't paint the companies that are targeted as complete angels, though. Bethesda was trying to kike their actors out of even knowing what they were working on when it came to Fallout 4, can't imagine EA and Activision would be above that either. Not saying the strike is justified, but game companies definitely need a knock in the teeth from something that actually matters, not just whining VAs.

I hope they learn something from this. Unions are largely cancerous nowadays. I've been in one for 8 years and it's just another group fucking me on top of my former employer. They don't do anything about my former employer's actual employee abuses, and they fuck us over regularly because they don't actually care what we want when contract negotiations come around. I'm glad I'm not working there anymore.

Didn't Nolan North basically say this when he was at the Dorito Pope awards last year?

Unions have been cancerous forever, spawned by Leftist faggots who don't understand economics.

Bethesda tries to not pay their devs so zenimax can acquire them. This is public information. Anyone who willingly works with bethesda or zenimax after this happened deserves to get kiked because they know who they are working for.

I don't know much about unions as a whole. Just the one I was in. They say they're an advocate for your side, but the truth is they're just a third side in the negotiations, looking out only for themselves. If they actually gave half a shit about what we wanted from a new contract, we would have gotten wage increases to match the cost of living, another week a year off (to be taken whenever we want) and maybe gotten back some of the benefits they took over the years. All I remember getting from last contract was literally two more days a year off. They heard "Some more money would be nice so I can feed my fucking family", "I want another week off, because even if I don't use it I can cash it in at the end of the year" and "I'd like some benefits, my daughter needs braces". And they got us two days off a year. If they gave a shit, they wouldn't let the company force injured workers with back problems to come in and sit in hard chairs in the office all day, when a doctor has ordered them to stay home and rest in bed.

Dual audio BTFO all the Western union VAs for me.

I have a dream that one day Western dubs are DLC only.

The last JRPG I really played was jap audio only and I enjoyed it a lot. I couldn't tell what they were saying in battle but there were something like 40 VAs to choose from per gender, when you made a new party member. The 9 I used were all pretty good.

Unions made sense when there were factories, shipyards and mines that employed thousands of people.

Nowadays everyone in my country is a hipster faggot doing something in the service based economy.

They didn't make sense back then either. It was just Leftist shittery.

Let's make the final entry.

I thought it was a meme

It's happened in the past and it will continue to happen until the average joe wises up to the simple fact that kikes love to play both sides
Sage so I don't trigger the mods into another b& spree.

It surprised me too. I guess that's what happens when the strikers won't give in and lose face, but have no real leverage.

Lol no.

Your grandpa is an idiot for killing middle management while crying about the conditions of a factory. it's akin to killing a local judge hoping you solve the jewish menace.

feelsgood

Unions fought for 8 hour workday, minimum wage and free Saturdays.

Not something people remember because it seems like common sense NOW. Even the US is a socialist country in this regard.

youtube.com/watch?v=eB6tqxqwSfU

This wasn't some local factory. The owner lived in a different country. The way I hear it, the other foremen were fine, and this guy was just kind of a cunt. Of course, all that assumes it actually happened.

Stories like that kill me only because it allows scum like the owner to continue to be human pieces of shit and we still see stories like this to this day.

In this faggot's reality, publishers just slap an esrb on the japanese game and sell it to you for retail, with "optional" English translation DLC for another 59.99 on PSN, and english dub for another fee.

If people had taken over the factory they would have had the government on them pretty fast. This was one of the big 3 automakers. Deep pockets. I don't know how conditions were then, but when I was there, the foremen weren't even really assholes. Just incompetent rich kids who got their positions through parents who are higher up the corporate food chain. There was a guy who punched a foreman in the mouth for insulting him all the time. That was pretty funny.

Shantae's VA? Shame.

Working on a truck line makes for some fun stories. Though it's current year so most of the truck lines are ran by niggers so it's funny to see the foreman chimp at the workers and vise versa. Either way, the government would have quelled the situation but unless the owner had A LOT of pull, then if the conditions were that fucked then a union or local official would take over temporally until the company could replace the owner. However that was more common in the 60s when unions were growing. It really was the early 70s when the yids started to destroy unions from the inside. That would also explain why unions were shat on in media during the 90s.

The majority of the DLC work gets done after the game goes "gold" (which is the span of time where the publisher and any platform owners (microsoft, sony, nintendo) check over everything and starts pumping out CD keys, disks etc). I dunno how this differs with translations, where the game is already "done", but shunting shitty western VA's into a lower priority isn't necessarily a bad thing (and could show companies it's not needed if/when almost nobody buys it), whereas no translation = no buy in the west (because turboweebs already imported)
But I'm sure you know that already and are just pretending to be retarded

I wish I had some good stories. Most of mine would be some variation on "something bad happened so we had nothing to do for 6 hours and I just read a book until they decided to send us all home" or "some teenage girl (we had lots of young girls as diversity hires, because not enough women apply to meet the quotas) got put on a forklift and crashed it because she was texting her friend"

The problem is that collective bargaining is legally required to be done through a union. In theory that's fine, but some unions are shit and run themselves like a business rather than the advocacy groups they are.
If collective bargaining were legal without a union–in other words, if a company's employees could legally negotiate and strike without going through the tedious, difficult process of forming a union–things would be so much better.
But the NLRA ended any hope of that happening. Every strike before that was an act of civil disobedience. The NLRA legalized very specific methods of striking and bargaining in an effort to turn unions into controlled opposition.
It ended up taking a few decades, but it worked. And right-to-work laws were the nail in the coffin, once the controlled opposition had outlived its usefulness (largely due to outsourcing).
Fuck this gay Earth.

Thanks dudes, for no reason that made me laugh out loud, and shoop this:

is this loss

please use a real source.

I've had this file in my reaction image folder since 2009 and I'm sure it existed a couple years before I found it. Please do not make the mistake of thinking you're not a newfag.

Maybe it's loss? Who knows, in these weird last days/months/years of the free internet?

What the hell are you talking about? Do you think that this explopasta of Tin Tin Haddock is somehow special or what? God, you retarded millenials and your memes make me sick
Pic. related.

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The front row seat of the shitshow that will go on. Don't get the entire situation wrong, there are still a few good games coming out. Finding them however is not that easy.


Not so fast! We are here, because some leftist brought politics into video games where it doesn't belong. Now we just had some problems later on thanks to some idiot crossies fightan for control over the gamergate general.


Probably not.


Its usually the only thing avaible. Not only this, but the same VAs had roles in every game out there.

I give a shit at this point because it's fun to see them flounder and flail for MORE MONEY while companies are just hiring new blood.

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He basically said programmers are worth far more than any voice actor is to a video game's success

Hopefully this will stop that whole industry being massively incestuous, glad some no names are going to get hired instead of the meme men being hired for everything.

Unfortunately Yuri Lowenthal doesn't seem to be part of the union because I still hear his fucking voice everywhere

Voice actors in video games and anime dubs are bottom of the barrel trash in serious need of purging. Is there a real reason why the decent voice actors in western animation don't spread over to games and anime?

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Because those people expect to be compensated for work and won't suck you off for a job like Ashley Burch.

Where?

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Are there any more stories like this?

I guess that's what happens when your only talent is something literally any healthy person has.

What are?

except you can, nothing is stopping you from organizing a walkout. the whole point is that the union is organizing things on your behalf because without it you get some disorganized shitshow worse than a Holla Forums thread and your walkout turns into 3 people who had the balls to do it getting fired and everyone else stepping on eggshells

The problem with unions is that you always get some commie fuckhead leading the damn things that just takes your money and then goes on strike for more paper towels in the bathrooms instead of anything that fucking matters while you're out of work because of said commie fuckhead.

This needs to be posted on Cristina Vee's twitter.

gotta be careful which union you pick to support you. but to pretend unions are no longer needed is dangerous thinking because of how much effort was spent into getting them in the first place. effort i don't think anyone of this generation would be willing to spend considering how easily a simple protest can get shut down where in the past a bigger protest protesting the arrests made of the previous one would come up
also not sure about you but union dues are a tax write off where i am

Unions would be great if there weren't a bunch of commie fuckheads to ruin them.

Solution: Every union gets a government funded helicopter

Change "commie fuckhead" to "jew" and it applies to literally everything.

I like where you're going with this.

The problem is that not all commies are jews but goddamn do they behave almost identically.

Germany was pretty fucking Jewed before WWII, dude. There's a reason everyone makes comparisons to Weimar.

Every single BOTW thread.

>Is there a real reason why the decent voice actors in western animation don't spread over to games and anime?
Aside from these fucking teamsters we're talking about in this thread? Probably has something to do with the stigma involved in, well, anime in general, but especially dubbing.

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Stop channelling the 4chan mods.

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You can be fired for doing a walkout, or for a wildcat (i.e., non-union) strike.

fam what r u doing

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Art mimics life

That lineup is super stacked with popular VAs.

Good thing the VA strike wasn't successful, and fuck them.

Jew.

I know firsthand how employers will leverage workers by their desperation over trivial amounts of money. That said, are you in a union? Have you dealt with unions? I am and I have and it's made me anti-union. I'm in a creative field, which maybe has the worst unions, but I also know teachers and reporters who hate theirs too. I've spoken to a factory owner in Southwestern PA who is watching a union get all their fucking jobs outsourced to Brazil because union negotiators would rather fall on its sword and fuck over the entire town than negotiate. Only people I've met who love unions are deep into the politics and want to run the union (and legit send emails that use words "solidarity" and "comrade") and lazy entitled cunts who want legal protection for their lazy entitled cunt behavior. It's bureaucracy gone wild.

It drives me up the wall to be forced into a bullshit system of arbitrary rules and interference and then hear my unemployed hipster democrat friends talk about some utopia union that does not exist. Unions maybe wouldn't be bad if they weren't given carte-blanche from these morons to be as obnoxious and corrupt as they want.

Unions are, in short, another manufactured solution to another manufactured problem. It's Jews forcing you to pick your poison.

This is why worker cooperatives are unironically the solution. They remove the conflict that unions purportedly address.
Also, there is literally nothing wrong with solidarity.

Workers just want to get a good wage and be treated fairly. Once they get this they fuck off and the Union falls to shit as the idealogues take over.

It's interesting. In Canada, the Unions are divided East/West and the western Unions tend to be less Sjw and more focused on workers rights. However, the eastern unions came first and get the honor of being central office and end up having to conduct what basically amount to purges in the west.

it checks out.

A BEAR

To be honest I heard it's all about getting the right equipment, and by that I don't mean a crispy clean recordin' microphone, just a way to insulate your voice from the background noise. Also the whole idea is that you're Acting more than just spouting random lines, so learning a bit of how to convey the right emotions without sounding too hammy might be a good idea.
Other than that just find someone on /agdg/ who needs different voices and fulfill their requests, if you're doing this for money you should've had a better plan in mind.

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How does one even get into voice acting?

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Do you want to be a GOOD voice actor, or just a voice actor?

If its a steady wage ill be a voice actor.

Our only friend in the middle east.

The voice actors strike is still going on?

You know what's funny? I think they were banking on the expiration of the SAG-AFTRA deal with Hollywood and were planing on piggybacking on their strike to get this settled. But Hollywood managed to renew their contracts fine way back in July. They really have no leverage now with the vidya publishers. I think they still get jobs outside of vidya though because unions tend to take care of their own like that.

English dubs aren't all horrible, user. I couldn't bear playing Ace Combat 5 or SOTN without the dub. The trick is walking that fine line between bad and too srs. I do approve of japanese audio being an option though. God knows some games are unplayable without it.

The dubs for those games are pretty good, and I really did enjoy listening to the squad's dialouge in 5.

I thought the Ace Combat games were only in English? Since that's the international aviation language and everything.

You forgot to add "for less product, and worse results" I used to work for a company that came in under the table to clean up Union's shit job, since the Union would charge the company to fix their mistakes. Also most former union workers I meet in my trade, were fucking shit people and worse in their trade. No wonder they got kicked out

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For 5, and possibly 6 and so on, you have the option to switch languages. The Japanese dub is pretty standard, but it lacks the cheese and charm of the english dub.

It's an empty platitude coming from people who only give a fuck about my dues and their rules.

Co-ops are just Unions, user. They're the same fucking thing. All communism, and all must be expunged with violent prejudice.

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Unions work well when the workers are actively involved.

AND for cheaper.

No, they aren't. The purpose of unions is to negotiate between two groups with opposing interests. In a cooperative, those opposing interests are absent, since every worker is an equal part-owner.
But hey, if you think every approach toward fairer workplaces is "communism," why not go work in a sweatshop where you get paid $1.50 an hour, and when you get injured by the machinery and unsafe conditions, and get fired without any kind of compensation, you can take solace knowing that you did your part in the fight against "communism."

Is there like a book about how to sound good as a voice actor that I can read? I just keep sounding so monotone and inflexible. If its one thing the japanese voice actors are great at then its really being extreme at being sad, angry etc. I also keep having these really bad brain hiccups when I read things too.

I will never fucking buy anything featuring Mary McGlynn after she pubically talked shit about Guy Cihi wanting royalties for Silent Hill, then 5 years later spearheads this strike because MUH ROYALTIES MUH NEED HIGHER WAGES THAN PROGRAMMERS

Read books about acting in general. Even then, reading won't get you far in a world of performance, unless you train and rehearse. Try sitting in some acting classes just prepare for maximum faggotry.
See above, also just talk more, practice, and listen to other people talk to get an idea of voices sound like. Besides that you might just be a shit actor in general, so you may as well stop since there's enough of you to go around.
You might be dyslexic. Do something about it.

Honestly, judging by your post, you don't sound like someone who can act.

also fuck laura bailey btw

Yes, bend over for that corporate dick

More like Film Actors Guild amirite?

What's wrong with Laura Bailey?

She's part of the strike, as well as your bog standard average liberal crying about Trump on Twitter.

Who's Lora Bailey?

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He’s explicitly not doing that, you illiterate kike faggot.

Konami didn't owe him shit, he did the work, got paid and went home. The company even came back to him and he just wanted more money from a job he already completed over a decade ago like he had any kind of ownership over the original recordings.

Although I'm not defending Konami what so ever, they're a shit company but they did nothing wrong here. If you're going to be forced to spend an absurd amount of money you may as well get someone mainstream actually gives a shit about. (although I personally doubt it made any difference in overall sales)