Daily News Thread 2/3

We should set it back a couple hundred!

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It's pretty fun tbqh. More interesting that 4 more years of Status Quo with Hillary.

Feels good.

Suspiciously specific denial.txt

This is what winning looks like.

What can possibly go wrong?

It's not a strike if employers are backing it, dammit. That's just coopting worker movements for corporate lobbying.

A few months ago I was joking that if Cheeto Dorito were to be elected, we'd better head over to the coast to roast marshmallows on the nuclear afterglow from across the Atlantic. It's starting to sound like a reasonable proposition.

wew

This is what the """"""""""""""left""""""""""""""" should be protesting against. Meanwhile, half of Holla Forums is supporting liberals protesting over refugees instead of important shit like this.

i have mixed feelings about this.
bad because Trump is an ass but my accelerationist side is pretty happy.

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Repeat after me:

"I am living in a fantasyland where every action taken by members of the left against President Donald Trump has to be compared to what they'd hypothetically do in a fictional scenario in which Hillary Clinton became president."

Ask yourself if you're ok with analyzing the remainder of an extremely shitty presidency with "well, Hillary didn't like him!" and "well, would they do it if Hillary was president?"

If you are, then that's fine.

Fuck off Clinton shill.

those regulations were without any teeth though. not sure why Trump is getting rid of them right now (to get them on his side?) but they were entirely just play acting

The strategy portion of trying to get Iran to violate the nuclear deal is probably correct since it gives justification for the US to move against them, but at the same time publicly ties up the hands of China and Russia since they're signatories on the deal

32D chess again?

Ok, have fun.

That's true. Dodd-Frank is a joke of a bill. Although it was still better than nothing.

maybe, but a lot of people will get hurt

As opposed to hundreds of thousands of illiterate worthless foreigners. Truly a tragedy.

the world burns every night. why did you just start caring now? You fucking lefties also go ORCS VS HUMANS but honestly it's clear that most of you only see western lives as worth something.

we live in a world that is worse than the slave holding days at the birth of our country. a few million were held in bondage for the benefit of a few more. Globalism has put in bondage the entire world in numbers that can't even be understood but since it's all so far away the misery is so easy to close your eyes too.

Nationalism for all its ills at leasts tries to put the work of sustaining a people in said peoples hands. No longer will millions slave away so I can dress in slightly cheaper clothes and be able to have whatever kind of fruit I might want during whatever season.

the pain and toil of our luxury should be taken upon by us and for doing so we will be all the more better from it

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Trump does thinks Putin is his BFF. He seems dumb enough to believe it.

but they will, you'll just pay 20 cents more for the shirt and fruit

FINALLY

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we can do both

No, fuck that. I'm not in favor of importing millions of scabs to inflate my countries labor market.

Stop making Nazbols look stupid, Holla Forums

I've seen it in some of the reddit tier posts here.

they don't have to be scabs ya dingus, plus it's not like jobs won't be outsourced to those countries under the status quo anyway

you're not for solidarity, you're just a white supremacist aping the moves

Sorry, I got rustled. Plz forgive me.

OK Reddit.

What

The fact is, many of you have alienated the working class by dismissing their concerns and now you wonder why we're all going to eventually be killed in a national-capitalist purge.

How are you a communist if you want markets though?

But I don't wonder about that at all.

you honestly think every single person in those countries is a fundie, even practicing, or even religious at all?

this is you brain on idpol

I'm not a communist, I'm a national syndicalist. With that said, as of right now, markets exist, there's nothing we can do about it but we don't need to exacerbate the decline of the proletariat by pumping more 3rd world labor into the first world.

99.9% of the refugees from the middle east are religious.

What kind of other dimention did you come from where poor uneducated people are atheists?

Agreed

Thanks comrade.

explain western civilization then

???
first of all, I never said "they cannot be atheists", I said they are 99.9% of the time.

Second of all, what has western civilisation got to do with poor uneducated people tending to be religious? America and europe were also religious as fuck until good education was available to the population.

President Trump plans to sign an executive order on Friday to ease regulations put in place after the 2008 financial crisis to rein in Wall Street,

education has little to do with it
p weird how 99.9% of western atheists (even the literal scientists) are useless reactionaries then

Sure man, pure coincidence.

WEW, kill yourself any time now.

im exaggerating (that thing you're pretending you're not doing) but really most scientific atheists with a voice are only using it to perpetrate the neolib status quo. i just don't see any inherent emancipatory potential in atheism at least in any non-philosophical way

'Cept the overall working class didn't come out for Trump, people just blamed them anyway. The immigration line is largely a bogeyman - it's telling especially with regards to the Rust Belt, who have largely been less affected by immigration jobs-wise. It's the mainstream "left" that's alienated the working-class (and to a lesser extent than panic-mode podpeople want to admit) by only reluctantly addressing stuff like the TPP, and failing to address outsourcing, union-busting, and free trade.

Sure mate

Are you american? I think you are american and are basing your retarded ideas purely on le amazing autist and talk show hosts.

Atheism isn't even a fucking group of praxis, its just the lack of believing is fairy tales. Also whwn the fuck did this shift from "most refugees are religious" to "atheism isnt revolutionairy" (whatever that means).

Just wanted to thank OP for continuing to do a good job and improving Holla Forums

Please never leave.

tell that to all the lolbert atheists

tbh the US is a fake first world nation.
during ww2 all the brain in Europe moved there, those brains made the US's economical and scientific advances.
the Average American is still a dumb hillbilly.
no offence

I think the distinction needs to be made between being stupid and being ignorant. Plenty of Americans are stone-dumb, but most are just average, otherwise competent people, but because they believe they're educated and knowledgeable they have no idea how ignorant they are.

This, seriously.

There's a helluva difference between the average American not being incredibly well-informed and the entire country being dumb irredeemable retards who you need to either pander to or lament the existence of.

wow thanks for proving me wrong

wtf are you on about? i didn't support clinton either

You do it, they litterally only exist in america.

We really need to be taking a stronger stand against this "hate speech is not free speech" crap. The radical left lost a huge number of sympathetic people to the alt-right because they were the only ones willing to as a group publicly denounce SJW censorship.

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I cannot even decipher wtf that sentence was supposed to mean comrade. I think you are missing some nouns.

thats bs and you know it.
Alt-turd people are the way they are because they're racist fags.
it has nothing to do with SJW.

you don't become Alt-cuck because swj triggers you, the same way you don't become a criminal because a cop told you to pull over.

Poor nations are also far more likely to have active marxist movements.

Coined by lefties.
Considering the big alt-right windfall with the term was Gamergate, we should be thanking them. If that's the demographic they took from us, then they already drained our swamp.

SJWs are still shit, tho. I mean, I mostly agree with you, but I've seen some shit. We need to take control of the language policing and in-fighting that's hit more and more lefty groups.

true.

Jesus christ, you people can get real fucking insufferable you know that? I'm on the left and I am capable of productively engaging in dialogue with people on the right, including the alt-right. What the fuck is your damage that makes you incapable of doing so?

I supported Gamergate, there's nothing revolutionary about nepotism and censoring anime titties. Maybe you are the one who should be drained comrade, not me.

look at the flag

because fascists organizing aren't going to be talked down. what has history taught you?

There's nothing revolutionary about ganging up on random people because someone's jealous ex recruited you to his personal army. It's like smashies if smashies got mad over video games and just flailed their wrists at people for being slightly famous. Frankly, it's a shame they didn't get you on their side. You guys are embarrassing.

Indeed. It's borderline psyops shit.

I'm not saying it's impossible , but I'm curious what your metric for "productive" is here.

you mean the guy who was in an emotionally abusive relationship and called out his abusers bullshit?

Where the fuck did you even get this meme that fascists can't be talked down? It's not like this is advanced level history, fucking highschool textbooks say that the real tragedy of world war 2 was that the grievances and suffering of the German people were ignored for so long that they felt little choice but to turn to a strong leader to address their grievances. And the average Nazi was not Hitler, it was normal guys who were just going along and mostly didn't know what was happening. Even in actual fucking nazi germany the average fascist was a normal guy who cared about his country. Yes you can talk to fascists. Yes it can make a difference. Maybe if more people had made a serious attempt to do so something could have been done before millions of people died.

I was at some of Quinn's talks before the whole thing blew up. She was always somebody who was more interested in being a public advocate against social issues than games for "fun". She was good as a public speaker she had zero talent as a game-designer, programmer and etc. She was popular with the gaming press and various organizing insiders who shared her politics which is why she got so much coverage and speaking gigs. The reason GG blew up was because a lot of people were real mad that a small group of nepotistic people with a particular politics were acting as gatekeepers for their favorite hobby. I'm sorry if people called Quinn a whore and posted her nudes but she was kind of a whore and she did do that porn for money.

Also Quinn has a habit of abusing the worst kind of gag laws to get her way. You should read about Gjoni's legal battle, it may end up setting some precedents for free speech law.

zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-03/us-sends-navy-destroyer-yemen-coast-tensions-iran-rise

there is literally no argument in that paragraph, i fact, it doen't even make sens, what's your point?

Mutual understanding, usually if I can get them to admit that the Jewish race itself is not the problem but maybe just the material and financial conditions which some of them were historically subjected to I call it a win.

Well if fucking highschool textbooks say so, it must be true

its like a real estate agent suddenly became in charge of the country.
oh wait!

imagine your plumber performing brain surgery on your ass.

remember: the Houthis are being armed by Iran because Saudi Arabia says so

also the U.S. just slapped more sanctions on Iran today:
cnn.com/2017/02/03/politics/treasury-department-announcing-sanctions-against-iran-friday-morning/

well, that is good, productive work. props

thesaker.is/trump-presidency-first-snafus-already/

Pretty good read on the geopolitical position of the US right now

You win, you've convinced me that dialog isn't useful. I'm going to just speak very condescendingly to you from now on, not address any of your points or concerns and if I ever see you in public I'm going to punch you in the face with a wrench.

Also, Trump's new UN rep is shitting on Russia
So much for reset

I wasn't even trying to convince you of anything but ok

mr. punch-you-in-the-face-with-a-wrench gonna teach us how to be nice to nazis

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I mean Zoe Quinn's ex.

Don't care.

Don't care.

Care to the extent that she had very little knowledge of programming and worked solo, so it made sense that her games were totally minimal and concept-based. Otherwise, never played 'em, don't know, don't care.

And I don't give a fuck or sympathize with anyone who was pissed off that she supposedly knew people (fyi "Here are some screenshots proving it!!" will not change the amount of fucks given). Absolutely zero fucks, and good for her.

Dumb fags on Holla Forums were real mad.

"Stop liking what I don't like and giving speeches I don't want to hear"

A lot of people have done those things. The logical thing to do if you don't like other people fucking is to go and fuck yourself. Still dgaf about Quinn - now I'm just telling you that tacking a moral crusade onto your "anti-censorship" Sack of vg Constantinople is exactly the kind of irony I would love for you to understand about this. Like, it's almost more ironic than the amount of letters I've put into this post.

Rabbit hole.
Every time I look into this shit, I realize I'd have to actively ~pretend~ that I care in order for the rationale to make any sense at all. It's like the absolute shittiest conspiracy theory imaginable, except it's about some relationship drama and vidya. Some girl is a whore according to her ex, makes bad games according to ~a lot of people~. Dear God, there are a million things going on, and they stopped the presses to pay attention to this.

telling that these Totally Not Sexist Haha gamers only chose to care about journalistic integrity in gaming as soon as some girl journalist did some shit they consider slutty. game journalism has been garbage since it's inception but of all times now i'm supposed to care. lol.

even ignoring that, gamergate never really addressed the unbelievably shitty working conditions game devs have to deal with in favor of whining about the latest anime tiddy the soojoowoos were keeping them from jacking off to. it's just a thoroughly pathetic, right-wing movement. i'm sick of seeing it get sympathy on leftypol of all places and i'm sick of still hearing about it at all

i don't support gamergate but the core goals most of the individuals that do support the 'movement' are valid and good. kotaku was/is corrupt, zoe quinn is terrible, there /is/ an abundance of unnecessary censorship in video games; but, how these people went about attempting to achieve their goals was absolutely terrible.
they just went REEE and doxed random twitter feminists and sent out rape threats which did nothing but hurt their 'cause.' if they would've focused on what they claim to fight for instead of being bitter retards who hate women (it hurts to type this because it feels like i'm just saying this but it's true so whatever) i would've had no problem supporting them. sad that they're all alt-right spergs.

Then let's agree to stop talking about it, shall we? I pretty much derailed this one already, but we can potentially let it be a tragic, sad thread with dignity.

Breh there was literally no legitimate outlet to talk about go. You couldn't even talk about it on halfchan. The whole internet closed ranks.

Anyway Quinn is not a social advocate she is a manipulative abuser who was protected by the community when her abuse was called out.

It must be hard for you to not care about so many things at once. I particularly liked the part where you don't care about the silent expansion of harassment laws from laws preventing speech to people to global orders that prevent any speech about the person in any medium. washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/08/24/you-are-also-ordered-not-to-post-any-further-information-about-the-plaintiff/

It wasn't exactly the biggest deal I agree compared to like the war in Yemen, but it redpilled a surprising amount of gamers and nerds who were not previously political and felt the media was more or less on the up and up.

You should probably either go back to reddit or acknowledge that you are also one of those dumb fags on Holla Forums now.

Lel I love the NYT

Let's discuss fucking idiotic gamergate like it matters

i like how the goalpost shifted to "she totally had sex with x guys to shill her free game lel" to "i suddenly care about abuse and stuff" once people figured out that depression quest was "shilled" before she interacted with these people at all. then they backpedaled even harder with the whole Literally Who thing. so fuckin stupid

The backlash made more people care about it than ever gave a shit about Quinn. That gamers are dead article pretty much singlehandedly created gamergate.

What? The original thing that started it was eron posting an extremely long blog post about abuse from her with her name redacted. The narrative shifted from abuse TO journalism once all these journalists started censoring the post.

yeah it was bad from start to finish.. muh ethics -_- yeah right

gomenesai lets get back to business

about trump repealing the dodd-frank law–
the law was already weak and implemented mostly for show, but it was definitely better than nothing. repealing the law is also for show. trump is attempting to be as flamboyant as possible to shock people, have them beg to get him to tone it down. he'll 'tone it down' a bit, and be where he was already planning to be. he wants americans to think he's on their side.

Fucking /reddit/. talk about the news or i'll dedicate my life to hatred of women

Horseshit. It was sparked by an abuser being protected by a community because they were considered an important part of that community. It's a well documented phenomenon called DARVO that unfolded in exactly the predictable way.

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Iranian Response Options
vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2007/07/irans-asymmetrical-response-options.html
From 2007, but still remains fairly valid

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Weren't unrelated sites like archive.is also picking sides and banning members/deleting inconvenient evidence? I want to say github or a github like website but I don't recall exactly.

This.

It was just internet gossip until she got her network of friends to crack down on talking about it. The initial stages and what it evolved into are two very different animals.

This is the same kind of shit that comes from morons that thinks a board is one person.

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i was uncomfortable seeing the sources as well but after a while of reading mainstream media articles you learn to filter out the bias and focus on the facts but.. even the facts are skewed often. but let's do our best

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theaviationist.com/2015/03/05/us-aircraft-carrier-sunk-by-subs/

I don't know what Iran's navy is like but I find it hard to believe that America's carrier fleet is somehow invulnerable.

Good, fuck the working class

A US limited strike on nuclear sites is unlikely

socdem shows true colors

I don't get it - what's the strategic importance of starting a war with Iran? Just to keep the gears of imperialism greased?

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Unsure. Obama didn't seem to want to do it. Could just be pure American arrogance.

In event of sustained war

I suspect if something went down, you won't find a carrier anywhere near the Strait. Losing a single carrier could cripple America's ability to be a global hegemony.

fug it, I'll dump on that next

Pretty much

Bush, like Trump, lost the popular vote (though not by as much as Trump). His approval ratings were immediately trending downwards (though not nearly as low as Trump's; he still had a majority approval). Then 9/11 happened and he got carte blanche to do whatever the fuck he wanted.

They're hoping for a repeat.

I also read an report earlier from a WH aide that claims that Trump seems to be operating under the delusion that Russia will be totally fine with him starting shit with Iran.

God, we are so fucked.

So, we will see another 9/11 soon?

So they want another massive terrorist attack even though they are creating this illusion that now America is perfectly safe because we banned certain Muslims with visas? I don't see how that would help their prospects for reelection…

They can say "well, if Obama had done the ban the terrorist would never have gotten in here" or "this is why we need even stronger measures"

Quite possibly, though it sounds like they're going more "Gulf of Tonkin".

Alright fags, let talk about why Iran?
First from Geopolitics. The US is the global hegemon, a slowly declining hegemon that's being challenged by a resurgent Russia and a modernized China along with a whole host of other developing nations who want no part of the post '45 world order

Now the big fight of the century, geopolitically is going to be returning to central asia rather than being focused on Europe. Why? Resources for one, and secondly, properly developed it could cut out the most important power the US holds, control of the sea lanes and global trade. China and Russia are engaged in massive infrastructure projects to do this right now, since they both benefit from a world where the US is diminished.

How does Iran fit into this? Iran is a fulcrum point for central asia. China, Russia, and Iran form a triad that locks down central asia from outside force. Knock out one of them, the weakest being Iran and you can knock down the whole house, or even use it to your benefit. It's why the US went into Afghanistan
en.ndrc.gov.cn/newsrelease/201503/t20150330_669367.html
brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran_strategy.pdf

Given the public's distrust of the government and Trump, I don't think anyone's going to buy that shit.

Most people aren't, but he doesn't need most people to. He just needs enough.

rally around the flag effect

Right, but, now imagine a conscription draft being dolled out, and the sort of people it's being handed to.

The US doesn't have conscription, nor will we reintroduce the draft, it's not politically viable
Assuming there's a major attack, recruitment will naturally spike, especially if they advertise for it, if they really need the extra manpower, they'd just bring over the National Guard

A lot of things that weren't "politically viable" have been coming out

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It'll be the toughest sell in American history with this president.

If you don't think Trump's temper tantrums aren't going to have serious consequences, you're going to be surprised come 2018.

The real problem with a draft in the US is that a lot of the population really isn't fit for a draft without extended bootcamp to make them fit
Anyways, a big war with Iran is unlikely until 2018 or 2019 due to logistics

beginning to understand that chinese proverb about interesting times

You can't possibly just "knock down" Iran. It will be massively costly, lives and money.

Please don't fat shame Americans.

of course, but in comparison to the benefits of maintaining global dominance it's a price the US will probably pay
Plus, it's not like those deciding whether or not to engage are actually going to be paying

A high cost in money and lives is seen as a fair price to pay to maintain american trade dominance. When was the last time the bourgousie cared about the lives of the proles?

This seems terrible on the surface but seeing as Dodd Frank was a slap on the wrist at best and basically fuck all else was done he might as well not even waste his breath on this. If anything it's good because it calls peoples attention back to the fact that nothing is being done about gigantic banks controlling 95% of the economy.

Why is Mexico considered an enemy when it's Porky's dream come true? No welfare, no labor rights, very low taxes that are easy to avoid anyway, most free trade agreements out of any nation.

Honestly if Venezuela is "socialism", Mexico is a libertarian's paradise.

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Terrorist attack is going to garuntee Le Pens win.

Shame tbh. :^(

On the upside though, looks like Trump's already going to fuck over the US economy by not putting regulations on wall street.

except it completely crippled investment banking as it made it so bureaucratic and expensive.

Because they're stealing our jerbs and sending nonwhites and drugs

and by that I mean jobs for dumb whites are moved to mexico, then the same dumb whites get cucked by mexicans, then turn to drugs that come from mexico until they OD and die. A whole lot of the Trump phenomenon has to do with rural America's insecurity over its economic convergence with minority America as an elite college pedigree or a STEM degree become the only routes to economic stability.

I love this Nazi, what a bro.

I'll cry for those bankers errytime.

so do you spend more money on American Made Products for the good of the other members of your Nation?

They are only able to do this because of NAFTA and the drug trade wouldn't function if American banks didn't wash their money for them and laws didn't make dumb shit illegal hence creating a massive black market.

It'll be nice to have one continuous colony from Iraq to Afghanistan. The Halliburton Satrapy.

the security services fund their black budgets with drug trafficking so legalization will never happen. the drug trade causes a great deal of misery and is the main reason why there are so many failed states in Latin America, but of course Holla Forums only cares about white people who are so butthurt that they overdose and die.

Hey Holla Forums Official /pol Discord:
discord.gg/swp3YFF

We want to have a discussion and debate each other's side. We want to understand your side of the pond

A true strike against the establishment!

I'm not asking you to cry, I'm simply telling you what difference it made so you can stop thinking repealing things won't make a difference.

Recall that Trump has fulfilled all his campaign promises so far and has repeatedly discussed using nuclear weapons in the Middle East and wonders why we have them if we don't use them.

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Chris Dodd and Barney Frank both work for large investment banks. I'm sure if they thought it would make a tangible difference they would have fought against their own bill. Also stop falling for "muh red tape meme" rich people have resources that allow them to jump over every hurdle without real interference.

Free speech does not exist

theburningplatform.com/2017/02/03/the-coming-clash-with-iran/

Nope. I think you're largely off on this. I can tell you I've seen STEM students go from being leftist to a lot more open to Trump. This is largely because religion has become a non-issue in western society, as well as the ideas of pointless wars, bad trade deals, censorship, and corruption have become some blatant in the democratic party. The essential issue, the only one the media will discuss, is race/gender/sexuality/isms. The people in these STEM fields have seen first hand that women and minorities (not including Asians and Indians) simply cannot keep up and rely often sadly rely political pressure rather than skill in their field to advance. So when they hear about more affirmative action is needed or that we need to pay women more money they abandon leftist ideology or their friend got fired over a triggering "dongle joke" they feel alienated by the left. This made easier by the pseudo-intellectual "alt-right" which is based (on nerds) strongly against political correctness who drop a lot of the religious/libertarian/states-rights arguments of traditional conservatism. This Trump movement isn't trailer-park wage-cuck Christ-fearing neocons anymore, it's the well educated but disgruntled nerds. Violence against them is going to do nothing but help their cause and reinforce their world view.

I have no problem protesting Trump (although I think at this point they should be more selective and direct instead of rioting every time he signs a piece of paper) but allowing Hillary to take credit in any of it is partisan and stupid, Hillary isn't a respected progressive figure and shouldn't get ANY credit for anything that Trump does, she should fade into obscurity as soon as possible.

poor uneducated people aren't leaving, they're staying and fighting for their spooks.
The ones leaving are usually college educated working class and petit-bourgs.
(from syria that is) I don't know about Somalia and Afganistan.

monopoly man will never be a meme.

It did make a tangible difference. That's why it's going. The cost of compliance was significant, you need to go through five levels of approval per trade.
That's not a meme, it's just a fact. It crippled investment banking, which is no bad thing.

I think there's an element of this too, having known a few other STEM types who became alt-righters (of course they were very upset about SJWs and had trouble with women but there are a whole lot more rural americans than there are STEM students.