Why should I denouncen Fascism, leftypol?

Why should I denouncen Fascism, leftypol?

Under the Fascist doctrine and teachings my life was changed dramatically in the sense I found myself inspired and motivated to seek:


meanwhile under Capitalism, Marxism and Communism, all I was taught is to lose all sense of morals, become another slave to both debt under "porky" and the liberal trender and only serve my own self personal interest even if it meant hurting people I love.


I don't frankly care enough about others to go out of my way to just start randomly killing millions of people for being different, unlike the pretend Liberals I actually admire diversity and thats why i dont want us all mixing into a single, bland color.

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You seem rather selfish, but stupid and spooked.
I recommend reading Ego and His Own, so you can learn what freedom really means.

Please end yourself and become a real spook

You can do that easily by reading Nietzche or Stirner.


Nice spooks.

Ayy.

no go ahead keep doing you, no contradictions

you are as bland and boring as the systems you supposedly despise.

Just a little rank and file little robot fighting for hs spooks.

Instead of being an autist learn to work with people of different backgrounds against capitalists, rather than pursue your monochrome vision of society.

Otherwise you are irrelevant.

I hate Stirner fags with a passion, and Nietzche tends to be too depressing for me.

Pls go


Ye theyre pretty bad.

The evacuation of non-whites from "white" countries would automatically entail the murder of 100's of millions of people.

/liberty/
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Please go whine about your personal problems on boards.420chan.org/qq

because we don't fucking care.

Ah, I see you've been BTFO before. Carry on, then.

Who ever said anything about me being white?

wew

Wow I didnt know being an edgelord was a prerequiste to achieve allmof those things OP!

Its alsmost as if you dont really understand none of the things you are talking

I recommend a good dose of lurk moar and a regime of book reading

Who maybe you will discover you can have the inspiration to lift weights without the edge part

Wow, this is pretty sad tbh

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Yeah capitalism is shit but you have listed what your problem with Marxism and socialism is.

euronymous was a better guitarist

What exactly qre we supposed to tell OP? He is literally spooked

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How exactly is seeking improvement and happiness edgy? Or is it just not the type of edge you like because I'm not sitting in a dingy squat full of weed smokers who haven't showered in years and listen to the same crappy screech music over and over acting like they're "outside the system"?

Ayy

Why did you Maraxism cause you to lose all sense of morals?

Nice

Not only that but also Modern white majority western countries cannot survive without either the resource exploitation of the Third World, or cheap imported labor.

Even if they become completely de-industrialised, like in Britain, there are millions of immigrant workers who are the helots of post-industrial consumer capitalism, ranging from chain store workers to even the most elementary jobs, like sanitation, masonry, tech. health services, food, agriculture etc.

why would fascist ideology by necessary for self improvement or happiness? it seems centered on lowering the status of others in lieu of actually bettering yourself, which seems a rather lazy shortcut

So tel me friendo, what is the undesirable minority you want to kick out? And if there isn't any, why are you into fascist mysticism? If you're into it for some perceived sense of "spirit" I don't think anyone is going to be able to do anything for you. I reject the notion of a uniform national spirit, only the creative spirit exist. And I think socialism is the only system where that can be truly realized.

Most Marxists are two faced predators who use virtue signalling to try to lure people into their dogmas, but always end up with some oppressive agenda in the end.

What are doing?

Go to therapy, otherwise we're charging you by the hour, and yes I intended that irony.

What exactly do you mean here? Give an example.

What? Like Stalin?
Do you think most fascists are going to lead you somewhere not oppressive?

Do you purport moral superiority against us when you are interracial ponr fetishists who get pissed at "muh white wimmin"?

please.

Nothing, the edgy part is labeling yourself as a fascist because of that

Fascism has its specific definition, juwt because you decided to lift weights dosnt mean you want to genocide all jews

Again, polyps spooked you

3/10

And how exactly is it lowering others, the premise of Fascism was always to unite all the social classes under the cause that we share blood, faith and culture and we should work together to reach our greatest potential, as Communism wants to destroy social class and bring out the worst in us.

You guys are broken, arent you?


Pointing out how pathetic you all are.


The current puppet government that only serves its own self interests while keeping my people in poverty

Because it's what united people from all economic backgrounds, no matter their tale to fight for the cause of a spiritual revoltion, with the end game of becoming greater than the advanced animals we are now.

why do you need an ideology to motivate you to strive towards self improvement? shouldn't the benifits of knowing more being fitter ect be enough

It's getting pretty 4/pol/ in here

What good is having all these qualities if everyone else around me can't also share in them?

That's why it is called self-improvement.

You don't need to perscribe to any political ideology to browse /fit/ user

They are never uinted, one class always caries the whip and another always toils.

You are usefull idiot who has been had by vague words of spiritual unity. There is no spiritual unity, perhaps only on religion which challenges classes and social hierarchy.

A menial worker shares nothing with an industrial capitalist.

yes but it unites you in shared superiority over lesser others, that's the very core of the ideology

and I'm saying you shouldn't have to distinguish your betterment as defined by your relative stature in regards to other races/nations. There is no reason why people of your race/nationality owe you an allegience nor you them, and incredibly naive to think a superrich white guy sees you as his peer or ally

Oppressive regimes existing caused you to loose your sense of morality?
Doesn't nazi Germany do the same?

communism doesn't work because it isn't for earthly humans

I know, but at the end of the day I don't see where this is grounded. It has no further justification except its own self. I guess now I'm asking you to convince me, because I don't see why the free spirit is inferior to the one under autocratic mysticism. What if the spirit does not exist? What if the clash of interest within the nation breaks its facade? How will you reconcile this without horrible violence?

I'm not sure how you think listing authoritative leftist regimes (lol at NK and Khmer Rouge in particular, read some history) validates your choice to advocate for your own brand of authoritarianism.

If anything sounds like an argument against all authoritarian doctrines broadly

Don't worry mud people, when we finally start deporting you from countries that rightfully belong to us we will put you in business class along with a nice golden parachute to keep things civil.(USER WAS GIVEN NO GOLDEN PARACHUTE FOR THIS POST.)

lmao jesus do you guys ever stop LARPing? Post an argument or fuck off

But than who will star in the cuckold porn you secretly love so much?

OP isn't white, tell that to him
Maybe that will de-spook him lol

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Alright you got me there

I don't feel like I need to serve any sort of partnership or ally myself with whites, this has nothing to do with white men or the West. I only want my people to be free and prosperpous, Communism has failed to provide both these things if not made it even worse.


Whites never had any association with my country, and I'll gladly put you in a gallow with the rest of these degenerates if you even tried, Nazi or not.


Even if the Spirit doesn't exist, the goal that it strives to seeking to become more than what we are and starting our journey to the stars is enough to settle the discord and work to a just goal.

Report submitted!

Funny you mention North Korea because they are the most fascist place on earth right now. Their Juche ideology is literally built on the Korean race and blood being special and needing their own space in this world, with all the social classes being united behind that goal. And it such a nice place to live, specially for non whites or non koreans like you.
youtube.com/watch?v=jy1iudsIKa8

Why do fascists believe in such complete nonsense?
How are people this gullible?

Nice argument


North Korea started under the guise that they were going to "free themselves" under the lies of Communism, however all Communist regimes end in a bastardized, poverty stricken form of Fascism that only serves those in power.

it wasn't an argument, it was bewilderment
im genuinely confused how you're this stupid

complete lack of education

isolation from their surroundings

lack of understanding of society

There's one true and good reason why.

blackface?


In other words, usury. Back to Holla Forums liberal.

my point is not unique to whiteness or the West

give me a good argument for why one should have any allegiance to a group based on ethnicity or race. I simply fundamentally disagree that this is a useful metric by which to judge useful partnership in practice or self-identity in theory and have yet to here an argument for why one person would be better off for dealing more uniquely with those sharing more genetic markers with himself.

And how exactly do you know this is true about me? Do you know where I've been? What I've seen?

Or is this just the reassurance that your Communist Manifesto and solf felt Holocaust memorial movies tell you so you can pat yourself on the back whenever you meet someone not brainwashed by your regime?

I know, but at the end of the day I don't see where this is grounded. It has no further justification except its own self. I guess now I'm asking you to convince me, because I don't see why the free spirit is inferior to the one under autocratic mysticism. What if the spirit does not exist? What if the clash of interest within the nation breaks its facade? How will you reconcile this without horrible violence?
I understand that. But the problem with eternal struggle is it is not a goal, nor a lifestyle. It's abstract. It needs something to fight against. And that's why I am of the opinion is might turn in on itself. I'm glad you've found a sense of purpose in your life through your ideology and that you aren't a Nazi, right wing ultranationalism is at its best when it avoids materialism. But I think embracing love for your fellow man, could give you the same result. Not to idolize him, but to respect him with the same respect you have towards the nation. I know you dislike Stirner but pic related is a good quote. I think there's a degree to which you can read later Marx through the lens of Stirner.

Didn't mean to double post that m8!

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the same to you
id be surprised if you could give a decent definition for socialism

You started with should and transitioned to isn't. Yet, similarity of appearance is a common mental heuristic for determining in-group membership because it works sort of well.


Just who are you preening for? kys liberal

You're probably the first Egoist who I didn't want to see screech autistically that bullets are spooks as the firing squad got ready to end his suffering.

And I do love my people and my family, but make no mistake I have no sick obession or idolization of them, they are flawed just like everyone else, but that doesn't mean we can work to seek betterment.

And I don't hate anyone else persey, I just know its pointless to try to reach out to the entire world and its up to them to seek the same path of rightousness that I wish to seek, but it'd make me happy if they did the same.

it seems that you picked a herd ideology to give meaning to your life instead of doing it for yourself, don't worry, half of this board does the same with marxism.

the real bravery is to stand for yourself and your own interests, it's too easy to hide in ideologies, nations and religions to give meaning to your existence and not experience true freedom.

it's to easy to

It did not even start like that, the original Kim barely had any education and was picked to be the strongman because he was the most loyal one to soviet interests. Again, he literally built his official ideology out of japanese fascism.
Unlike fascism which destroyed all places where it was tried or it is massively reviled like in Spain and Japan?

The USSR was a massive improvement for all the people in the Russian empire and most of them miss it.

There it goes with thinking it wants "freedom" instead of the truth. That is where I find that many people here are very mistaken. They argue that Fascism is the ideology that takes away liberty, but in truth it wishes to obstruct the path that leads to your own self-destruction and degredation.

The modern man always claims to want freedom, but what he really wants is the freedom to do wrong.

Can you demonstrate at all that, across the board, people who isolate themselves and insist on interaction only with same-race peers are more successful by any measurable metric.

In fact this is rather demonstrably false by the current alt-right obsession with super rich globalists who all apparently work in tandem. Seems that if mixing with the international population was such a recipe for disaster none of them would have gotten filthy rich by doing precisely that.

The problem is that there are very clearly people of your race and outside your race who share your concerns and people of and outside your race who don't. People here merely recognize that it's more logical to side with the sum of people who share your material condition and therefore your concerns than to go off of semi useful mental heuristics for determining in group membership but that even you can only sell as working "sort of well" at best.

I wasn't implying you were idolizing them, I was specifically advising against it. I'm not an egoist, I wouldn't say I'm super individualist or collectivist. I think both extremes are irrational and untenable, there's a dialectic between the individual and society.

I'll try and be a bit more clear. One, I will mention the Marxist opposition to Capitalism is based on a fundamental precariousness, he had abandoned humanistic notions of Communism by the time he wrote his more serious works.

However, I see you find enjoyment in the love of your fellow man even if it's only on a nationwide scale. Have you read any socialist literature? Have you looked into St.rasserism, or any other nationalistic socialist literature (not Hitlerism)?

If we can come out of something with this conversation, I think it would be for you to see that the ideals of other socialist theorist can mesh well with your love of your nation and that the "will to power" you are looking for could come out of creativity and love and is not mutually exclusive to struggle. What I mean by "don't idolize" is, if you are to abandon misanthropy you must not trade it for veneration. It must be a raw love for what humanity could be and what we sometimes are, not a love of weakness. You should love the oppressed because of what they might be had they not been oppressed, not because they are.

It is denounced to give these afflicted groups something to rally around, and at this point fascism is meaningless so basically it's a way to point to firing squad at whatever some liberal doesn't like.

Personally, these people should be killed. All of degenerates should be killed and boy do us communists have a lot of them. And, ps: if I ever get into power I will be killing as many of these 'commies' as I can. Fuck them.

But to answer your question as to why you should be a commie instead of a nazi: Nazi is small think - while we have big think. You think you can secure the white race with one countries border walls? No, it will be secured by:

1) gaining world power
2) killing off all none whites as we deem through starvation, disease, and other biological attacks.
3) using compliant non-whites as slaves

Nazi would never give us a world wide white hegemony, which is what many of us dream of. FOURTEEN, brother.

I wouldn't consider myself a Hitlerest, I was always more fascinating in the teachings and works of British Fascist, Oswald Mosley and his ideas of using the modern science to create an ideal system to unite the people.

Although, I suppose you do make some points…


Please read the rest of the thread, I just said I'm not white, and I don't care what white people do in their own countries.

He's not a Nazi, he's an oldschool fascist. He's into fascism for spirit.


I'm not super familiar with Mosley. I've read a bit of Hitler, Mussolini and Codreanu and got the impression you were more of an old school fascist like Mussolini (who if I remember correctly, was close with Mosley).

As far as Mussolini goes, I think his 13 corporations system was somewhat incoherent. I know he was trying to unite left and right for some ultimate synthesis of authoritarian centrism, but honestly it seems inferior to the guild socialism or national syndicalism ala Sorel.

freedom is hard, because with freedom things can go wrong, but it's the prize of freedom, i'm personally using my freedom and not engaging in mundane pleasures or sociopathic behaviour rather i try to improve my life.

it would be a lot easier to have an authoritarian leader, family or religion to tell me what to do, but i think the easiest is not the best or even the most ethical.

This. A big part of freedom is giving people the freedom to learn form their past mistakes. I think that's a fundamentally more compelling and natural struggle, than torment with no end in site.

I mean, I think 20th century fascism and socialism fell into heavy opportunism. Mussolini pretty much capitulated to industrialist once in power, and socialism ended up with nothing and was doomed as soon as Spartacus fell.

You are correct that transnational elites coordinate rather better than proles. Note how similar elites are culturally, in mannerisms, in language, in arrogance, and not least in dress. They resemble one another more than they resemble their respective constituents.

I merely claim that, in a homogeneous community, outsiders can be identified more easily by sameness of the visual sort among others, which protects the community somewhat from infiltration and exploitation. Nice straw man tho.

Obviously and indeed. If you ask a question about history, you get an answer about history. Whig liberals need to get the fuck over their progress memes.

What liberal thing did I advocate for? Is your position really that historical materialism is a liberal thing to worry about?

Telling you that your idpol isn't useful and actively hinders class consciousness which can lead people with the same working conditions to coordinate the way that transnational elites do in their own self-interest is the very opposite of a "liberal progress meme"

Couldn't the inverse me true? Couldn't those with a conflict of interest be less likely to be strung up because of a supposed "sameness", or faux connection by blood? A lot of the early socialist movement was at it's strongest when these European countries were """homogenous""".

And then, they figured out how to automate and create robots, and no longer need that cheap labor.

Because automation that destroys jobs ins cheap to implement and does not cause social unrest, right?