What do Leftists have against me practicing Islam?

Assuming if I follow the religion with respects to personal development rather than the political side. It seems like a lot of tankies are out to fuck me over.

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gobbunists are all muslamic confrmed!!!!

Because Islam, like all religions, eventually will seek to extend itself into the political, social and economic spheres.

Get rid of your delusions and embrace reality.

Don't take it personally, I oppose all religion and all spirituality.

Fuck religion.

lol


*tips*

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why do you choose to be spooked?

Because I want to.


lol

Don't worry, a third of them are actually pol and another third are former nu atheists.

Baba is going to honour kill you if you apostate isn't he :^)

I have nothing against Islam, and some elements of it could be very useful to the left.

The Saudi/ISIS/Salafist part of Islam has to be exterminated first however, if anything authentic is to come from Islam.

why do you want spooks to control your life?

I wonder why.

ISI pls go

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why do Holla Forumsacks attach nu- to everything?


OK m8, keep living your deluded life

There's nothing waiting for you beyond this world. Sorry.

Fuck religion. Especially Islam. ISIS are useful idiots because they took out a trade centre and the day traders, investors, bankers, etc. along with it. Islam forbids usury. So when ISIS kills usurers, I'm thrilled.

Islamic finance poses a serious threat to porky's license to print money. I have a feeling the Holla Forums-tier anti-Islam posters are working from Tel Aviv.

ok

if you say so.


I don't hate gay people.

So, let me get this straight guys. Under Socialism I'm not allowed to practice whatever religion I choose?

Is Islamic Finance really more ethical though? Look at Saudi Arabia. You have a bunch of rich bourgeoisie living off oil money and a bunch of poor labourers (usually foreigners).

You're allowed to strictly keep it to yourself.

Next question

Nobody can stop you from having religious beliefs. Don't expect the state to encourage your behaviour or to give you tax breaks or building permits.

You don't but the majority of muslims do, and yes you're allowed to practice your desert cult.

Ok, so I can't meet up with my friends and build a mosque or a center to learn about it? Using our own labor.

You can.

You can't.

You can't proselytize either.

Depends if the state allows private construction projects, or not, really.

Oops, I meant "personal".

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Tankies gonna tank.

Do what the fuck you want to wrt. religion, spirituality and such in your personal life.

Why? This makes no sense. What if someone wanted to build a Wicca shrine to worship some old god?


So, I will be violently suppressed if I try to proselytize?


Why wouldn't it?

Why would the state not allow me to worship some old god at my shrine? That sounds fucked up.

Personal *religious* construction projects.
Religious is the keyword here.

Optimally they would be told to fuck off.

Depends on who's running the show really.

Reminder that Albania under Hoxha was how to deal with islam.

thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/05/why-iceland-is-building-a-temple-to-its-pagan-gods.html

would Holla Forums glorious uprising over this?

Said the guy that wants to worship an old god.


Pagans can fuck off, too.

Im a Christian and I don't care what religion you do or don't practice. The people on here who advocate suppression of religion are edgelords who had thier brain fucked by new-atheism. Ignore them because they are irrelevant irl.

The status of religion as a tax free institution will end.

Fine

Be me. Stuck in ideological and material oppression in a Capitalist society, stuck in a spectacle. Finally, tankies take over and establish a "communist" state. Now, existentially oppressed because apparently communism = end of all existential questions.

fuck off OP is this what you want they treat women like slaves

Read the OP. Also, if you are gonna get butt mad about Islam then replace it with another religion like wicca and let me ask the same question.

Undialectical

ok

you cant divorce the political element from the rest it's all intersectional

Sup op. Fellow Muslim here. This isn't really the place to discuss Islam, they will always hate you.

If you're serious about keeping your religion and it's social benifits, liberalism is pretty much your best option (I assume you aren't a shithead who wants to enact Sharia in the West)

What if I did, theoretically? I already know this is probably not even worth discussing because it's getting away from the main point, so to appease you stubborn faggots who cry every time Islam is mentioned, replace Islam with any religion that has a doctrine and a book.

It really seems like that, but I know most of the idiots here advocating that kind of stuff are tankies who mirror /r/socialism in their anti-idpol crusade. Leftists showing solidarity with Muslims being discriminated against by a state regime, that must be idpol, shut it down.

Would it even be Islam at that point?

Historically, every religion played a major role in politics. Religion is also almost always inherently reactionary. Therefore, their practice must be discouraged.

Who are you asking? Who decides what Islam is and isn't? People have been killing each other over who's version of Christianity is right. I would like to retain the right to freely practice my "spooks" in a socialist society, and to preach if it if I will it.

In the event of tensions in the West boiling over and us being attacked, the only ones who will help us are liberals.

I like socialist economic ideas but we have the misfortune of being born Muslim and with Islam being associated with the middle East, we're pretty much goners. I'm only looking out for myself at this point

Don't you have to follow the Quran to be a muslim?
And doesn't the Quran prescribe Sharia, it's *political* aspect?
So how do you divorce Islam from its political aspect while still being a muslim, ie. someone who follows the Quran if you don't follow the politics it prescribes?

A third of them are tankies, a third of them are former new atheists justifying their hatred for atheism with marx's "opiate of the masses," and a third of them are literally pol.
Fortunately none of these groups are likely to be a significant chunk of any relevant left wing movement so OP actually has very little to worry about.


religion has been revolutionary roughly as often as its been reactionary

Ok, forget about Islam. I want to replace Islam with any kind of religion/ideology that you guys will consider spooky and ask the same question.

what if capitalism theoretically wasn't real? you sound like ancap trying to compartmentalize everything

Not always the same.
And I've mentioned it in this thread before, optimally, other religions would also be told to fuck off and keep it to themselves as well.

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This makes no sense, Islam isn't even the main point of the question.


So, everyone is allowed to practice their spooks but Muslims, got it.

That's not what I said. At all.
Stop being a disingenuous piece of shit or fuck off.

It is pointless arguing. Ignore them and realize the people who hold extreme anti-thiest views are irrelevant outside of little corners on the Internet. They have little understanding of theology or history. All my local socialist groups protested the Muslim ban and welcome religious people into our organizations.

So who isn't allowed to practice their spooks? Who gets to decide what spooks are dangerous and excellent, does Islam trigger you?

For the third time, no-one cares whatever the fuck you believe in. Just keep it strictly to yourself. It's all anyone is asking.

Why do I have to keep it to myself? Who get's to decide what isn't allowed to be kept to myself? Am I not allowed to talk about with my friends or go write articles on the web about it?

This is starting to get old. You know why.

Not a thread goes by I don't wish socialismflag would keep it to himself or go back to Holla Forums

a couple anons on the internet resenting having to go to church when they were kids isn't a good basis for defining an ideology

How original kid.

you get decent rebuttals when you post shit beyond "you know why."

The reason why has already been said in this thread by multiple people. I'm not going to repeat what already has been said for the umpteenth time.

Just ignore the New Atheist cancer OP. They really are irrelevant.

"it's bad because i say so" isn't much better

lol so Hoxha, Stalin, Marx, Engels, Bakunin, Mao etc were "New Atheists"?

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Stalin's opposition is an active defense of Islamic Gommunism

Then you're not following Islam. It is designed to be an influence of all your life, not a variety of Moralistic therapeutic deism.

Read the whole thread again, slowly.

Trolls, LARPers etc.

Pay them no mind. You can't take this place too seriously. God knows it shits on everything I like, yet I love this place.

An anarchist supporting state suppression of personal beliefs, got it.


I don't get why this matters, the question still stands in respects to a socialistic society.

look akhi these guys are never gonna take power so it's nothing to worry about. Many if not most are authoritarians.

fuck off counter revolutionary

Go back to your bunker, dawg.

Do what you want, just don't tread on my cuteboys

I won't. You can have your cute boiz.

I don't care then. Nazbols are just fags

Funny, I never went to church and everyone bar one person in my family is agnostic or atheist

Feels good

One day the world won't even know what God means

Americacentricposting.

ur a fag

I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with zakat (the third pillar of Islam) and the reasons behind this institution.

Islam is all-encompassing, though. You can't be a Muslim and not aspire for the Caliphate. The personal and political aspects of Islam are inseparable.

Tell that to the Kurds

There's alot wrong with Islam and religion in general that I find troubling, but if you're just a regular Muslim socialist then that's fine, just don't take your shit too seriously.

Otherwise I don't see no reason why we can't be allies since we have the same goals in mind with socialism.

You really should not put marx in the same category. he was very nuanced about it like many continental philosophers.


Who resurrected the Orthodox Church in Russia, again?

He only did that during a time of desperation

He was still brutal towards religion for the most part

Prove you're a Muslim or BTFO with this Reddit style astro turfing.

My personal views on Islam are that it's a retarded set of ideas that belong in the dustbin of history, just like Christianity, Judaism, Feudalism, Monarchism, Capitalism, etc. I believe even the moderates that embrace science and secularism aren't aware of their own cognitive dissonance.

This isn't specific to Islam so much as it is religion in general.

On the other hand, I also hate the "Nu Atheism" just as much – people who worship Hitches, Harris, and Dawkins are just as disgusting because they use their so called "rationality" and "skepticism" to demonize Muslims and deflect criticism of US Imperialism.

When it comes to Islam, there's plenty of norms and traditions I think are dumb cover ups for archaic, backwards ways of living. The whole hijab thing is a great example. In recent years, its as if liberals are embracing the hijab as a symbol of progressive politics.

These people are fucking CANCER, imho, because it's a nice way to ignore all the oppression happening in the mideast, and the constant reinforcement of patriarchal power structures within the religion that make wearing a hijab in public, very much NOT a choice for many women outside of the US. It's .. I dunno, its just disgusting to see some people go the complete opposite direction with this in recent years.


This is kind of the problem, though. I've never met religious people that are capable of keeping their religion to themselves. There's ALWAYS some kind of community outreach, or communal aspect to what they're doing that inevitably rubs off on the rest of society, for better or worse.

Can we let this thread die please…

lol wut

Fine if we're going to keep having this discussion I'll post what I posted in the other thread.

Only about 15% of world's population consider themselves Atheists/Secular/Agnostic. If you think you're going to have a revolution without religious people or can just suppress/eliminate them afterwards you are delusional. Even in Europe Catholicism and Orthodoxy are doing fine compared to liberal protestantism which is really what's dying.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations

You can't have interest in Islam

So? You can still hoard money and employ others to do work. There's plenty to criticize still taht's all I'm saying lmao

Yeah I guess we should just stop people from having independent thoughts that don't go on in line with what the party wants, sounds great.

Why anyone on the left would be against this is beyond me.

Do you see American Muslims practicing imperialism and slavery? Circumcision, yeah, but being butt mad over circumcision is a Reddit thing.

This is why communism failed

Datss not reel soshulism!!

Every non-Native in the Americas is an imperialist though.

How about somebody actually reads Marx here


Basically, Marx says that religion is a product of human existence and suffering. Religion helps to explain away and ease the harsh realities of the world. Religion is a necessary byproduct of an exploitative capitalist society (or any other society where there exists some kind of frequent misery like famine). Once capitalism collapses and material conditions shift to a point where there is a society mostly free of constant suffering of a majority of thr population, religion will fade away on its own.

This is really just basic dialectical materialism. As material conditions change, so too does the ideology of humans. As humans influence the material world, old forms of thought no longer are necessary/possible.

OP, I don't care if you practice Islam or not, and no else here should. The material incentives for the existence of religion still exist and no amount of New Atheism will change that. And once those material conditions change, religion will fade likewise.

Equality is just as much of a spook as any god tbh.
Pick your poison, Holla Forums

Well, if it's going to fade away then why is everyone getting so butt mad about it?