Ok, leftists… Sry for my bad english

No, I'm not. You're merely imagining that. I don't believe in morality, and so I do not make appeals to it. I think it's quite obvious two people working together can achieve more than two people at each others throats, unless the only thing you're interesting in achieving is total global extinction.

I shame nazis because it's easy, because it makes them feel bad and makes other people think less of them, and since nazis want to arbitrarily make my life worse because of their petty unhinged emotions, it's tactically beneficial to bully them.

Race is not a fact. It's been debunked over and over and you have to rely on age old pseudo-science to justify your political positions being based on some sort of racial insecurity.

There are no moral values. Your moralfaggotry harms society.

Well, race -as understood by racialists- is not a fact.

Also, the so called "rights" you support is the right to take away the rights of others. Here I would argue it's self destructive to give the enemies of freedom any freedom.

1) Morals don't exist.
2) I don't pursue equality, I am a socialist because it benefits myself and the people I like.

Any more questions?

no honor, no loyalty, no nothing.. this is why radical leftists tend to be so sad, nobody would want to be friends with such a person

no, you just don't have them because you're a stunted person

sorry if pic related is too vulgar and youve seen it before

but yeah i agree op.. hardcore socialism is a load of complete bs

im totally down for chipping in so that people can get like 1000 bucks a month so that being kicked on the streets isnt a death sentence almost

but we have it so fucking good in the west comparatively to anytime in history and with the internet with just a few years anyone can become relatively wealthy

imagine designing a product and building a factory and the workers fuck it to all hell and back because muh production controlled by the workers.. employers should treat their employees with more freedom but when you fuck up the original dream of the person that came up with the idea in the first place you get some treacherous abortion just like the F-35 JSF for example

agency.. freedom.. creativity are all things i could see disappearing along with safety and luxury if the pipe dreams posted on this board ever came into existence again

I don't recall being put in charge of how people organize nor do i recall suggesting people should do so around Asian Hispanic or whatever ethnic groups.

Social Equality is a simple way to achieve a greater chance of success in most tasks for yourself and those who you take an interest in be they friends, family or the general population. I don't see where morality enters into it.

It debends on what level we are operating. I trust that my boss wont do anything illegal. If he does I or other emplyees will rat him out. So there is clear self-centered reason for him to follow rules/laws. Society is always hierarchical, with those who govern and those who are being governed. Morality is just psychological rules and regulations of an in-group. To have a functional society you need a common moral code.

>Race is not a fact. It's been debunked over and over and you have to rely on age old pseudo-science to justify your political positions being based on some sort of racial insecurity.

Ohh dear, you now shamed me completely. No wonder the alt-right, right wing, trump are growing and winning. Keep the good work.

but you don't get any benefit from being a socialist

Boy, gee whiz, are you in the wrong neighborhood. If you want to feel good about doing nothing, just do drugs.

I'm sorry, what?

YOU TAKE THAT FUCKING BACK YOU SCUM

Who said those made up concepts rely on the made up concept of morality to exist?
fam, you can't have an accurate vision of the world if you deem delusions essential.

They're not winning. The majority of countries are neoliberal capitalist, not ethnic nationalist. Want to see an example of ethnic nationalism pretending to be socialism for popular support? Want it to not be oldschool Germany? Check out the DPRK.

Ohh, not so edgy anymore? I though you didn't believe in "rights". Rights are for moralfags. :P

but yeah its fucked up how crazy the politcal boards are on any of the popular imageboard sites.. only containment really

no place for libertarians i guess

Sorry, this is not at all convincing for me. You're saying that a shared moral code is required, not hierarchy, then you say there is always hierarchy anyway. If there is always hierarchy, why does it need to be enshrined in law?
Why would equality lead to low-trust and demoralisation?

>>>/liberty/
Classcuck. Read c4ss.

wait you think better working conditions and more pay = socialism???

lol

Wrong

web.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/minorities.shtml

debunkingdenialism.com/2015/02/03/mailbag-fetishizing-richard-lewontin/

americananthro.org/ConnectWithAAA/Content.aspx?ItemNumber=2583

physanth.org/about/position-statements/biological-aspects-race/

livinganthropologically.com/anthropology/race-reconciled-debunks-race/

Roberts, Dorothy (2011). Fatal Invention. London, New York: The New Press.

Lee et al. 2008:

Harrison, Guy (2010). Race and Reality. Amherst: Prometheus Books. "Race is a poor empirical description of the patterns of difference that we encounter within our species. The billions of humans alive today simply do not fit into neat and tidy biological boxes called races. Science has proven this conclusively. The concept of race (…) is not scientific and goes against what is known about our ever-changing and complex biological diversity."

You have no idea what heritability do represent
debunkingdenialism.com/2012/08/11/the-widespread-abuse-of-heritability/

How do chill coexistence can happen then?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Réunion#Population

Not having the value produced by my labor leeched away benefits me quite a bit.

Morals are for moralfags, rights are just things we agree to give to each other to create a more functional society. What possible advantage could there be to only giving you any and letting you dictate which other groups are allowed to have them?

you have the freedom to do whatever you want user.. dont waste it by making excuses

Yes, pretty much.

that's what you expect, that doesn't mean being a socialist is actually benefiting you. a jehovah might believe that he will benefit by going to paradise, that doesn't mean he isn't spooked, the same is true for you

it's true, you call each other comrade for a reason, there's no sense of bond beyond instrumental assembly

because they are intrinsically moral

reality is hologram made up of pure information and basically all your opinions and all they are based on are delusions on the base of your vulgar materialism

Psychologically speaking what is morality? If I understood your message correctly it is a conspiracy, a invented concept that has no biological/psychological link to reality? Has all the moral philosophy and study of psychology been a scam? Please enlighten me.

Or are you saying that because there is no absolute morality, then the moral code of society/group doesn't exist? Please open up and tell me.

WEW
No wonder everyone thinks the rightwingtards are backwards and without sound reasoning.

I got a raise a couple weeks ago. Living the socialist dream

Weak bait or retardation?
Poe's law in action.

Did you just go to the "pull yourself by the bootstraps" meme?

Why don't you go say that to a worker who works for minimum wage 40 hours a week, and who wasn't born in a life of affluence.

Most Holla Forumsfags neets like you are completely disconnected from the real world.

Why couldnt everyone start there own business at the same time and just have a network of partnerships instead of the normal boss worker relationship?

Capitalism can be done better of course but how would you even go about making a video game or software if everyone had equal say into the final product?

I fail to see the long term benefits of true socialism.. dont you wanna be independently wealthy someday? And that doesnt necessarily mean others HAVE to be poor..

marginal better working conditions in a capitalist system isn't socialism lol why am I the one who has to tell you something this basic

He thought you were unironic.

Yes it does.

You're retarded. The only way to become independently wealthy is to steal your worker's money.

le agorist manifesto reader.

Presumably you'd decide who was doing what job. What is 'equality' in your mind?

Seems like an ever receding carrot for most people. Worker control will lead to you getting a greater share of profit from your workplace.

How did I imply that they were?

if this was you

that's how. If it wasn't then you're retarded for expecting someone to know what posts are yours in a thread.

I will not go to link war within this thread.

It's basically a game of argumentum ad verecundiam. You take your links and I'll take my links.

But if you want to argue on a logical level about biodiversity vs bioegalitarism and sub group specifications then we can do it.

You cannot build a functional society without a moral framework. It's never been done. Even modern scandinavian social democratic heavens are build around moral codes such as equality, individual rights and freedoms, etc.

Fortunately for me, I know better than to take naziflags seriously.

There's a clear difference between doing something because it's moral, and doing something because it's a good idea.

Yes to everything but it being on purpose and some sort of scam. It's a way we justify our behaviour and cooperation (or competition) without needing to look at the material why's and how's. It's much easier for the population to accept the execution of a murderer based on the idea of it being immoral (and possibly against god) instead of needing to address the detrimental/beneficial effects of the action. It's also much less terrifying, it's a comforting idea that there's true good in the world, and true evil. Though people have definitely used the concept of morality to control masses of people before.

That wasn't me.

This was me.

IM NOT A /POL NEET

i just got banned after writing diatribe after diatribe on why judging people by their religion sets a dangerous precedent for taking away freedoms like the one to post on this exact imageboard

and then i posted pic related and the mods banned me and erased all the shit i wrote.. fucking nazis

the point is right now i go to school and get paid by a social democratic government to do it but it would fucking suck if i didnt think my education would atleast produce enough wealth for me in the future to be independent of the whole system.. at least thats the dream but with the internet there are ways to make money without having to get a real job job

anyway all i was trying to say was even if you work you can study your ass off on your free time and come up with a way to better your future.. i know it might take a lot longer than studying all day like me but its damn possible

if you study something 20-40 hours a week then in 5-10 years you could be a master and hopefully make money before that doing what you love

If you are working for a company for a wage/salary then having better pay does not equal this.
Porky is making 2-300% profit off of what they pay you. If they pay you a few dollars more and lose a few percentage points then you're still as much a slave.
????? He made the argument that working for porky with better perks is socialism. Your labor is still being taken for granted

If you don't know what the political terms you are using are, then don't use them.

Morality is entirely personal and subjective. It has nothing to do with the legal system,rights,or policy.

All states in the world agree that murder is a crime,whether that crime was committed in a sense of justice in the perpetrator's mind, does not matter to the judge and jurors who will judge him according to whether the crime was premeditated or accidental.

Equality, Fairness, and meritocracy are entirely ideological standards and can take different forms in different societies. Muslims consider Shariah law to be all of the above three. It depends how you set the label.

Porky is gone. Workers are in control.
I didn't mean that porky giving you more was socialism. I kind of presumed that you'd infer that I meant socialism > better pay and conditions.

Pls stop.

How?

You've got a serious case of ideology.

Debate is good, just not in the streets. the violence isn't so much out of simple disagreement, but as a result of policy. When you can't eat or sleep you will become desperate, and eventually violent. The deportations don't help much either but that's another issue.

1: There's no such thing as morality. It is a spook. Also, there's nothing wrong with people organizing collectively based on idpol, except it will always have a backlash based on others idpol. This is true for both the liberal left and the far right. If it was just workers, it would just be the state and porkies to worry about. Idpol is cancer.

2: Fuck equality. I just want quality of life with a meritocracy, which capitalism is not if you even look at it for a little bit. T. Market Socialist.

We are talking about science. if you want to believe in race, or morality, or jesus, just do it.
Just know your opinion isn't as valid as sciencie.

For having witnessed others threads about racial autism, i can tell you it's useless and goes nowhere.

archive.is/uPGEN
archive.is/I9vEh
archive.is/GFOBo

no.. if everyone had a basic pay from the government it would just mean the shitty jobs we take for granted like garbage men and customer service would pay more and would those services would be more expensive

people would only have to work part time if they hated their job so much but as tech advances we could even have robot servants one day

is that what drug dealers do, or artists, or indie game developers, people that fix up cars and sell them.. what about freelance and real estate?

But that doesnt reward the people that come up with the best ideas for the workers enough? Im assuming thats why in the USSR all the best engineers and whatnot had to have something to do with government which in my mind would suck majorly.

go look on patreon.. people get paid to write sex stories.. or on ebay they sell their dirty socks

theres almost limitless wealth out there when your market is billions of people

and its not really the profit that matters to me but the freedom is what i want so badly.. i would hate to be stuck in the system and have no alternative ever.. thats why the whole socialism meme is diametrically opposite to freedom and liberty in general

Yes, did I say otherwise? The idea of "rights" is in it's essence a moral one. If we look at the government as a machine of laws and violence to uphoald those laws, then we are not speaking about "rights", but liberties. There is clear distinction between liberties and rights. In material worldview there are no "rights" only liberties which are taken or given by governing authority. When we speak of "rights", we refere to "God given rights", or "human rights", or the whole englightment era moral structure (egalitarism, liberalism, humanism and democracy/right of majority).

So do I take that as an agreement that morality is nessecary for the benefit of society, as majority of the population needs moral guidline. I think you are thinking that you can somehow englighten people out of morality and moral psychology, which I don't think is possible. And while you might think amorality might bring some great utopian society, I dont. And I haven't seen proof to such claims ever been presented that it would. So my point stands.. You need a moral structure, a code to have healthy society.

How does it reward innovators any less than capitalism?

And are you suggesting that the state isn't behind most R&D in the modern USA?

...

A very small minority of people are making a living at patreon.

What do these people have in common…?
Oh wait, that's right, the vast majority of them are fucking broke! Guess why? Because they rely on their own labor to get by. Without them siphoning money from their workers while still having to pay corporate welfare, they have a whole lot less to work with than, say, a banker or factory owner. The issue isn't that they make money without a boss, the issue is heirarchy within the workplace.

First of all. All of postend links are in the "lewontin's fallacy"-category.

There is biodiversity and racial lines can be drawn drom antropological standpoint, but even in DNA. There is nothing to actually discuss, because the bioegalitarist use falthy logic. Just because antiracist and UN have lobbied for the liquidation of racial cathegories doesn't mean that biodiversity isn't a thing.

So nobody can actually answer honesty to 1 and 2?

Get fucked, friendo.

The only answers have been "hurr durr there is no morality", while completely jumping around the original question.

If you believe that it kind of tells us why you've had such trouble getting ""honest"" argument out of leftists.
Seriously, the dishonest one here is you. Get fucked.

You question jumped around first, and you're the one assuming there is a morality. You have to back up your claims. Not the people saying it doesn't exist.

The only reason people are doing it is because they need to eat and pay bills, which if they actually owned their places to live and their own means of subsistence, it wouldn't be a problem. Doesn't sound like freedom to me. Sounds like turning a hobby into a job. There's also only so much the working class can share amongst itself.
Watch this series: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB6uFR63KHaz7gfHmNyy_rVnk6ztAhpXm

Also, read Max Stirner if you really want to know what real freedom is.

Because only whites proved to be effective on genociding others :^)
jokes aside, I don't see how black/muslim/whatever nationalism/reactionary ideas is doing good to society. It's just for distracting proletariat from the real problems. They are being supported by big corporation exactly because of that.

Explain why INequality is #1 moral value above all. When I need new shoes, I do not need complete genetic report of people who made them. All I need is to know is how quality are the shoes are.
What leftist do not like is inequality in income. All I want in life is work in the factory and enjoy all fruits of my labor - with minimal exploitation. And capitalism is not going to get rid of this.

There is morality, where there is group pressure. You are the one assuming it's invention. Go to a pubic place an shout "sieg Heil, gas kikes Nazi masturbation fantasy now" and see how you egdy lord will be shuged by people whom you morally offended. Morality is reality, as it's a evolutions way of forcing us to be altruistic. You think frankfurt school and many of the liberal think tanks just wasted time and money to study morality if it wasn't a thing?

I wouldn't waste your keystrokes on this one.
see:

There is human biodiversiy. Racialism does just a piss poor job at describing it.
Also

Frankfurt school studied morality only critically.

Adorno, Horkheimer, and Benjamin did not advocate a personal morality.

Morality is an outdated Kantian meme, read Nietzsche.

People study feels all the time, user.

We do not think it is "immoral" for them to do so.

What we believe is that it doesn't make sense for white people to organize 'as' white people. White people are not discriminated against or victims of structural destitution 'because' they are white — whereas it is well documented that, for example, queer folk are more likely to be homeless than your average Joe.

This doesn't mean however that we actually support minorities organizing 'along' identity lines. We understand that, for example, African-Americans may disproportionately encounter problems such as police brutality, which is why we tend to highly regard groups that 'connect' that with class as the 'central' issue e.g. the Black Panthers.

We have a problem with organizing not based on class, be it white nationalists who obsess about their wish for a Nazi masturbation fantasy no matter how they put it publicly or liberal progressives who see discrimination only through the lens of inter-classist idealism.

We say: Don't organize as white, black, woman, Muslim, queer, etc. Organize as the proletariat.

We do not value equality as a transcendental 'moral' value.

We see it as the necessary 'groundwork' for a free society. Hierarchy inevitably leads to class distinction, social domination and economic exploitation. That is why we are "egalitarians", not because of the warm 'n' fuzzy feelings allegedly associated with it.

So, no, we wouldn't see honestly as somehow "below" equality. Besides, equality and trust are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I would say that I have no reason to "trust" someone who wishes to exploit or control me — as opposed to someone who has little to no power over my life. Why would I trust my boss who is out to extract surplus value from my labor and nothing else over a co-worker with whom I share common interests?

Marx said it more eloquently than I could: "The free development of each is the condition for the free development of all."

I didn't say it didn't exist. I only pointed out why you sound foolish.

It would divide conflict. Ethnic groups wouldn't be competing for the same resources and opertuities politically if they had their own nation.

The proletariat is artificial identity. Nobody identifies significantly as being a worker. It was never a thing. Even during the WW1 the world wide workers revolution failed because people are not intrested in identifying as their job/income level. People identify with moral codes, appearence, vises, and even philosophically before they do with income/job.

I don't believe inequality is #1 moral value. I have never claimed so. But leftist for the last 200 years have, maybe not you particular, but the question was not directed towards you in particular. So if you want to answer questions that were directed to those leftist that do argue for egalitarism then answer as an egalitarist. If you don't then you missed the point. I don't care about your personal oppinion as I didn't direct these two question to you directly. Why leftist try to achive equality, why moralize it, and why not superiority, or the goal for being a superior?

And do you think it's easier to live in peace in a racially homogenious society or heterogenious society? What kind of enviroment do you want your children to live? Do you want them to be bullied because they are white or you want them to live with other whites. See, it boilds down to the short sighnesness. This is why we want nation states, that we can kick the out/keep out those that are treath to our safety and welbeing.

Except they do now.

You can thank propaganda, the Red Scare, and social democracy for that.

Also, I don't understand the equality meme myself. If communism was achieved, there would still be inequality, except it would be more meritocratic, in a sense. Ultimately the problem stems from the fact that the means of production aren't owned by the workers themselves.

Again, watch this series: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB6uFR63KHaz7gfHmNyy_rVnk6ztAhpXm

Again you missed the point, aka Lewinton's fallacy.

First of all, who is "we". You don't represent the general left. The general left feels racism is immoral especially if whites are racist. I didn't direct my message at you, but those leftist that feel morally about egalitarism.

Secondly it's dishonest to say that you don't feel moral opinions on the matter. Yes you do. You live in the same hegemony as the rest of us, and like everyone else you are victim of moral shaming if you brake moral rules.

Everytime an antiracist calls someone a racist in a antirascist/multicultural/liberal hegemony he is making a moral statement. You cannot honestly and publically speak about racism without moral stigma. The word "racism" as a term is so stigmatized with moral inferiority that you cannot use the word racism/racist objectively outside the moral framework. The very idea that racism means ethnic/racial hate is by very definition morally evil/antisocial (hateful). Now if you would ask any public figure that has been labelled as a racist and they would say that they don't hate other races, but love their own and want their own racial in-group altruism to be a political and social phenomenom. Yet when those people try to talk about their in-group preferences and altruism they are attacked as being hateful and racist by leftist.

So again, if you can't answer questions directly like they were ment to be answered then you are being dishonest or stupid. Now in your case I don't think you are stupid, but just dishonest.

Then your beliefs are wrong, as whites are going extinct and losing their ancestral homeland if we don't wake up soon racialy aware. That is a fact. It could be too late even now, but one thing is sure. If whites don't become racialy aware we are going extinct.

Why do you lie? Nothing is more trendy today then hate white people. Even whites hate whites. White guilt is all time high now. To say we are not discriminated against when media is constantly doing deeply triggering and problematic tv-shows and movies, and politicians are doing decicions that hurt whites is being ignorant.

You say that, but I didn't ask what you think. I asked why leftist in general believe moralizing equality. And one thing that proves it is the moral hegemony where leftist feel moral obligation to attack inequality.

so you are suggesting that we should rile up each ethnic group to their own sandbox, do not let people travel and fully believe state propaganda that we have it better than others?

kek, are you living somewhere in the east or just do not go out of your basement? Aren't questions about work most common questions for first-time socialization? Isn't your income the main reflection of your self-worth? Capitalism is cancer.

You are thinking of christianity, not leftism. Christians says that "everyone is equal in the eyes of God", leftists (I do not mean liberals) are simply ignoring inequality because focusing on it is counter productive.

I don't really give a fuck. I do not want to live near junkies of any race. Children will be bullied anyway, race might be easy target but they will always find some other ways.

Not the guy you were responding to, but…

Don't buy the "Clash of Civilization" meme — most conflict takes place not between civilizations but within a civilization. Who burnt Europe to the ground twice in a 30-year span? Europeans, that's who. Nationalism inevitably leads to enmity.

No, it isn't. Being a prole is not something you choose to "identify" with, it is an objective condition within the relations of production.

Class is not the same thing as "job" or "income level".

They do if that is what they are taught to value by power structures. Do you seriously believe the hate Frenchmen felt for Germans was the result of "natural" and "organic" feelings? Not, it was the result of a relentless propaganda campaign waged by the French ruling class.

We don't try to "achieve" equality in and for itself as a moral goal — we simply consider it a requisite for a free society. We are interested in a world where nobody rules or is ruled, where everyone can live his life to the fullest. We have no interest in power fantasies.

You're equating racial homogeneity with social cohesion without providing any evidence supporting your claim. France is a very diverse country and its homicide rate is at an all-time low not much different from than that of "ethnically pure" South Korea.

There is no reason to believe my children will be bullied for "being white". For someone who likes to obsess over people being victimized for their race, you sure don't seem to care about the very real discrimination minorities can be faced with today.

Where are you from, OP?

Well, such international sovinism is expected as it's the human nature. Put it's much better to have peace that comes from cooporation, freedom of different ethnicities and respect between, rather the conquest and fear and NWO.

No, I believe that we whites should control our own future and let others do what they see fit. I personally don't care about other groups as long as they aren't mindling into our business. People can travel, but all nations would have a say in who gets to go and come.

No it isn't. I have a family, do sports, write(in my native language), have hobbies and friends. I do jobs so I can finance by expences. I have a counter question. What do you say to someone new when you introduce yourself? Is your job the first thing out of your mouth?

Just where do you think equality came from? Did it just accure to you that egalitarism is just secular version of judeo-christian morality? Leftist are morally christian. That's why Nietche was laughing at them.

Again in denial. The truth is that race is political, cultural and social identity what ever you like to admit it or not. The nigger chimping out against some random white for being white is exactly we don't want them and we want our own nation. Next time a nigger chimps out it could easily be you. To them you are just a white. They don't care about your political leanings and economical oppinions.

What the fuck, lad? You come here, ask us questions about leftism and then start whining when we do answer sincerely and not as what you assume leftists to be. Sounds like to me you wanted to have your misconceptions validated and you're upset that's not what you got.

Whites are not "going extinct". There is no "anuddah shoah" going on. In fact, the global trend for all racial groups is that of declining birth rates. White fertility is declining faster simply because of well-studied structural reasons (urbanization, education, access to birth control, lack of economic necessity, etc). If you want to blame someone for

Segregation in housing is discrimination, being mocked on Twitter over spicy chicken isn't. Moreover, I can't think of a single "anti-white" film right now… Can you? White workers are oppressed as workers, not as whites — it's that simple.

Oops, sorry for the incomplete sentence.

→ If you want to blame someone for low white birth rates, blame white women for not giving birth to as many babies as they used to — but please don't do that.

le human nature meme

There is no such thing as white group identity. Its an American invention you have latched onto, most europeans identify as Germans, English, French etc. They have little in common culturally with a white trash hick from Alabama.

Class is more important than you think, with what people do you think a stock broker associates himself? The certainly aren't builders or masons.

The Marxist strand of leftism does not latch onto moral buzzwords like equality. The argument for Communism is purely grounded on historical and material necessities. It has nothing to do with morality or ideology.

Race is political, because idiots like you make it so. If you see society as orks vs humans, justify all police brutality against blacks and their ghettoization as justified, the no shit that blacks are going to view race in an animalistic way to defend themselves. Same as with Jews and Nazis.

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There is no international proletariat. It never existed. The chinese workers don't give a fuck about you. To them you are just a white idiot.

Class is exactly the income level.

Who is we? You do not represent leftist. Again if you look at the ruling hegemony you an clearly see leftist and their moral code.

academic.oup.com/esr/article/32/1/54/2404332/Does-Ethnic-Diversity-Have-a-Negative-Effect-on

Just couple of years ago in Finland youths beat and robbed up 70 kids during the summer. They were shouting racist slurs to the finnish kids, and the youngest who got his head smashed by a baseballbat was 12 year old girl. Now of course the leftist wen full panic mode and started to make excuses for the "youths". "Society was racist!", "the beat up kids were racist and deserved it".

In norway couple years ago a kid wrote about his bullying under immigrant kids and how the school officials didn't do anything because is was seen as offensive and racist.

I see constantly new videos coming from Britain and Germany where immigrant kids bully natives. It's actually quite dishonest.

There is a trend of immidrants bullying whites all over. It takes a cognitive dissonance to not recognize a pattern.

No miss, the question was direct and simple, and you were avoiding it. If you were honest you could answer the question in a socratesian manner.

Yes we are. We are being replaced.

How about 12 years in slavery? Whites were not behind atlantic slave trade, so building a narrative in which we are dipicted as soul evil is in my view in the deeply triggering and problematic cathegory.

What if I marry qt asian? Should we be marked "race traitors" and killed? What about our children?

well, the amount of people like you are on decrease because of this weird consumerist culture.
It's not always first, but yes, I believe it's being discussed in first 5 minutes.
I still don't understand why are you forcing this equality meme on me. All I want is not being exploited and enjoy all fruits of my labor.

no, you are making too big deal out of it. Yes, we made fun back in high school of our asian classmate and called her "rice", but we were friends.The most brutal bullying I seen was when some kid of rich parents and a few kids he was buying stuff ganged up on some kid because he was very poor and quite strange. All of them were white. I do not want to make point "muh all rich people are ebil" but rather that this kind of behaviour is rooted in other places than race.

you are full of feels>reals.

We don't take moral issue with demographic group organizing. the issue is what they organize for. I don't support black nationalists, zionists, islamists or whatever. Most people who don't have their heads in their asses probably feel the same way. That said, white people as a group exert a certain power in our society over other racial groups which comes from a long legacy of dominating the rest of the world. That simply won't continue after a revolutionary restructuring of society. Racial domination and animosity is a product of a capitalist system. The slave/master relationship is unsustainable. Here we are not saying "those in power shouldn't try to keep their power cause that's immoral." If they feel like keeping it, they will. We feel like taking it from them. Similar logic with jooish bankers or whatever if you were wondering about that. I mean I feel like Holla Forums greatly exaggerates their influence over society, but those in power will be expropriated.
It's not. I am not in favor of equality. I am in favor of liberation. I have no problem with accomplished individuals receiving praise/honor/whatever else. This is different from a society based on coercion and domination. I would argue, in fact, that individual greatness would reach its greatest expression under communism.

Consider a society in which a great musician/or writer does not have to worry about securing what they need to live. They distribute their work freely to other people. People can appreciate it, and use it as they wish. Great works are produced for use, not exchange. The artist is freed from the constraints of making what makes money, the public can appreciate the art as they wish.
what does this say about our capitalist system? Money drives people toward dishonesty. Social relations are undermined by moneyed interest and competition. We're at each other's throats constantly. The world around us puts us there.
I'm all for trust. That's why I'm anti-capitalist. Anti-nationalist etc.

lmao this much delusion, I can't take it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Spanish_New_World_colonies

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Portugal

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_slave_trade

nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-the-trade.pdf

theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1995/09/slavery-and-the-jews/376462/

Also, not sure if you're a nazi, but you seem like you mean well. I think you're a bit confused politically, but most of the people that come here to have a "debate" are pretty obnoxious. Maybe you're an asshole irl, butif not tell those libs givin you shit to fuck off and then maybe go read some leftist theory. You can get some good recommendations from this board. I'm not that well-read myself so I feel like it's not my place to give you recommendations.

Wait, wut? So let me get this straight? White people need to estinguish power in their ancestral homeland, like Estonia, because somehow estonians are racist for other whites peoples historical sins? The whole idea that whites are in debt to non-whites is essencially christian slave morality/sin. White guilt/historical attrocities is essencially modern sin/redemption narrative. Werent the estonians oppressed by communist? Should I morally shame every communist for crimes they haven't committed? This moral debate and the double standards are essencial in our modern political identity politics.

Secondly I would suggest the volterian method of finding who is in power. Ask yourself who you are not allowed to critizise? Is it the whites? If so then I assume there must be huge repercussions socially if you critizise whites. Oh no there are non? On the contrary you get praise from the "progressives". Well how about Black, gays or Jews? Are we allowed to critizise them? Well if you start publically critizing them then you get quickly attacked and marginalized. You might even lose your job (that would think would make a communist/proletariat angry and feel sympathy for whites but no) if you dare to critizise "minorities". Minorities have more power in white societies because left has spesifically lobbied for their political emancipation, while white working class and whites as an identity have been beaten totally into submission.

If whites have political power then why don't we have real white supremacy?
If whites have political power then why don't we have any lobbying groups?
If whites have political power then why is it that we get marginalized, called nazi, racist, and a facsist every time we bring our own intrest.

The amount hypocrizy is astounding.

The question was not directed at you then.

But I'm curious why can't white liberate themselves from the rule of minorities such as jews? Why is europe flooded with niggers and arabs? For our liberation? Those 1400 girls being raped and pimped in Rotherdam must feel quite liberated.

I can linkshitpost too

amazon.com/Secret-Relationship-Between-Blacks-Jews/dp/0963687700

for profits of bourgeois. abolishing capitalism is the only way to prevent similar things happening in the future

Shit, even the Swedish dude in Sargons stream a year ago was saying these fucks only care about money, which is why there so much immigration. I wonder if he actually ended up being a leftist or just someone like that nord dude.

The only swedish dude i watch on youtube is "angry foreigner". pretty dank satanist, but he can't really into leftism, but that's maybe just because he needs to read a book or two.

Uh, 12 Years A Slave? It's just a slave narrative put to film — and a fairly conventional one at that. In fact, they even went out of their way to include stereotypical "good white guy" characters in the plot. I was actually disappointed overall because I know director Steve McQueen is really talented and could have made a much better, more daring film.

Are you implying merely discussing such an obviously important historical issue as slavery is somehow "anti-white"…? This is typical of the right-wing's persecution's complex: They cannot stand historical inquiry for it shatters their fragile nationalist ego.

No, you aren't. Non-white immigrants are not to blame for low birth rates among whites.

Read the Atlantic article dumbshit, that debunks the book you just posted.

That book is so widely posted by anti-semitic retards that it has been thoroughly debunked.

Only 1000 Jews participated in the American slave trade, throughout its existence.

Why don't you read actual evidence in the CITED wikipedia articles, and stop posting shit written by a Nation of Islam ideologue.

If whites have political power then why don't we have any lobbying groups?
If whites have political power then why is it that we get marginalized, called nazi, racist, and a facsist every time we bring our own interest.

There is no spoken global "agenda" for "whites" to be represented or enforced. There is just as much of that than there is a Jewish global "agenda". There is a material advantage that many people of Caucasian descent hold throughout the world, but it is one that stems from their relations to the current mode of production and material conditions and this applies to many prominent members of society when drawing ethnic lines.

Do you know what Bacon's Rebellion is? It was a rebellion in America in the 1670s where white settlers were forced into the frontier because rich merchants and landowners bought up all of the land around the cities. They were set upon by hostile Native Americans and were fucking pissed. The slaves of said rich merchants and landowners joined together with the poor whites and rebelled against the elite. It was only after the defeat of the rebellion that the Virginian government decided to enact many laws to ban the association between poor whites and slaves and provide more benefits to being a white indenture servant to prevent such a thing from happening again. Most slavery laws from then on can draw its inspiration amongst the Virginian Slave Codes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon's_Rebellion

You see, if you are angry at the stupid liberal concept that "white" people owe a spiritual and moral debt that transcends fucking generations for the deeds of the few than I am with you, but you got to understand that there are machinations of the powerful and elite that has proven time and time again to screw over average people and it is not just a single fucking minority within this class that are doing it.

Saudi oil princes to despotic African warlords to British bankers.

It is an enemy that the people of the world must face under one banner.

You are a fucking idiot OP

Its not immoral its just impractical and retarded to identify personally with everyone who happens to share the same skin color as me. From my experience most modern day "race realists" is that they don't even follow Hitler's own conception where the Germans were the best race among all the races while modern white nationalists claim that there is this non existent cultural bond among all white people. There are plenty of white people who I share a racial identity with who are making my life worse and it has nothing to do with their race it has to do with their class. The real thing to rally around is your class interests.

2. Maximize human freedom.

3. There is no such thing as true right and wrong.

1) I'm against all of that.

2) Nice strawman. I care about each to their own according to their need. No one is equal, and everyone exists as their own man in one way or another.

I care more about combatting wealth inequality that's fucking over the working class, generating more poverty which leads to more crime etc.

I'm a hispanic, and I don't think any race should act as a block in of itself, for a multitude of reasons.

If you want moralism then just look to the golden rule. If not, know that equality is important towards developing freedom (that is autonomous power of the individual), and the long term stability of a society.

And anyway, in terms of loyalty and trust, that's nothing a little envy can't erode. It's just human nature fam.

Socialism is a liberating ideology that brings democracy to the work place and increases your involvement in the running of society.

Are you implying "the Jews" are behind both World Wars? Because they sure as hell didn't assassinate Franz Ferdinand or invade Poland. 10,000+ German Jews died "for their fatherland" during World War I, and they really should have known better.

The proletariat is not something you "choose" to identify as — it is a socioeconomic reality. And it is a fact that this condition is universal. State propaganda-fueled enmities within the proletariat does not itself change anything to this truth. As leftist, we aim at dismantling the divisions sowed by the ruling class to prevent proles from uniting.

No, it isn't. Class is your position within relations of production. Income is but a related variable.

I don't care about what liberals or LARPers say. You ask my opinion, I give it to you.

> academic.oup.com/esr/article/32/1/54/2404332/Does-Ethnic-Diversity-Have-a-Negative-Effect-on

It says right in the abstract: "This article provides strong evidence that the effect of community diversity is likely causal, but that prior preferences for/against out-group neighbours may condition diversity’s impact. It also demonstrates that multiple causal processes are in operation at the individual-level, occurring among both stayers and movers, which collectively contribute to the emergence of average cross-sectional differences in attitudes between communities."

So this study (which you probably didn't even read) is much more nuanced than you make it out to be, just like most decent studies about "social cohesion" — a very complex and multi-faceted concept. The study also does not deny that "ethnic diversity" is more often than not a proxy for other variables usually socioeconomic in nature.

Moreover, I'll add that tensions and conflicts between populations hardly are something new or confined to race-based issues. The single most heinous case of inter-community violence in France is not some allegedly ongoing ethnic war between whites and non-whites but the 1893 Aigues-Morte massacre during which dozens of Italian workers were killed by native lynch mobs.

This is (unsourced) anecdotal evidence, nothing more. Last year in the US a disabled black kid was anally raped with a coat hanger by some jock who called him a nigger — it's heinous, but it isn't proof of some "epidemic" of white-on-black bullying in America. Crime of all sorts are at an all-time low in the developed world and it keeps on decreasing with no reason to believe that trend might revert.

I also find it amusing that you seem so concerned with big bad bullies but do not even mention countries where school and office bullying (along with suicide) actually are an endemic problem: Japan and South Korea. Gee, I wonder why you would give 'em a pass!

Source?

Source?

Define functionally good. New York is a racially heterogeneous area. New York has produced a bounty of art and culture, fiance, scientific innovation.

Pick one. If moralality is objective truth then why does it vary from person to person?

Friendly reminder arguing with Nazi's is usually nothing more than a waste of time. Their beliefs are nothing more then glorified schizo-babble about Jews and niggers.

1)It's not immoral, it can be very destructive (and historically has) for any of those groups to make political affiliations based on skin colour, nationality or religion rather than class, as eventually they'll be siding with those whose material interests are opposite to theirs.
2)You have no conception of what equality is (and neither do Bernie Sanders voters), you should read the Liberal Classics such as Locke and Rousseau instead of getting your definitions from internet memes, you're a threat to western civilization.

Ok first off I'm not sure why you insist on moralizing our positions here. You keep doing it in such a way that really leads you to totally misunderstand the points being made.
Second. It's not about historical sins. The problem is a current relationship of domination based on political power which was seized a long time ago and which has since remained relevant. Once again. I'm not making a moral appeal here. I am not saying whites have to pay some penance. I am saying the sort of subjugation along race-based (among other sorts of subjugation and conflict) lines that we see now will be structurally impossible under communism. These conflicts have been fueled by material conditions from their beginning. Material conditions end them.
Your comment about white people in estonia extinguishing their power seems to indicate that you've totally misunderstood what I'm saying here. It's a domination over other people that communism ends, as well as the nation itself, but that's not to say that the land which you call estonia will not remain populated and run mainly by estonians. It means we recognize no need to draw distinctions between different groups of people nor any mystical attachment between an ethnicity and a patch of land. People will live where they please as they please. Relationships of racial domination end as there are no separate nations opposed to each other. Only one human race working in cooperation.

I would recommend you read any fucking history book honestly. Or at least try to gain a surface level understanding of geopolitics. It sure as hell ain't black people looting the middle east. In my home country (USA) the black people were quarantined in neighborhoods and more or less abandoned decades ago. This racial domination is part of the foundations of this country. No minor reforms, no matter how many libs tell you otherwise, can change that.
Losing your job is a shame. If you're in that position I'm sorry. If your solution is anticapitalism, great! If your solution is chauvanism, I don't support that. It doesn't really do me any good. And it won't really do its supporters any good. It's a fundamentally misguided set of beliefs.
There are different kinds of domination which we must distinguish here. White nationalism is the dying call of a reactionaries being replaced by a new neoliberal order. But the effects of the older order are still widely felt. If they weren't, there would be no substantial chauvinist impulse among white people (and in my country at least, there is). The neoliberal power is in conflict with this older order. It is a capitalism that old smashes barriers and traditions for profit. Given a change in material conditions (a crisis perhaps) you will see a move toward the old way again (we've seen hints of it recently with the populist right) but such movements are inherently unstable. Either they will wither away soon, giving way to globalized capital once again or they will collapse in a blaze of glory after the nation pisses of the neighbors.
But what I was saying holds true of all communists or at least most. That's why I answered it. Inequality isn't really the issue here. That's why the whole "people aren't equal so communism won't work" meme really doesn't make sense as an argument.
I answered that in my post. If jews are subjugating you (I don't really think they are but sure let's go with it) communism means liberation for you.
War pushed them out of their homeland. A war over an oil pipeline among other things btw. The West also destabilized the region when we went into Iraq during the Bush years. Big money wants 'em there in Europe. Not to because they hate white people but because cheap labor.

Lurk.Moar.Fagget

He's going to post the same debunked studies over and over.

He's going to post the same debunked studies like Putnam over and over.

Again: arguing with Nazi's is probably the stupidest thing you can do. It is a waste of time, go listen to music or read theory. These are people who literally believe somehow, the "Jews" managed to fake the best recorded genocide in human history.

lotta typos here. fugg I'm too tired xD

but it's fun

I know, its why my response was pretty short.

Also, yea I know he's gonna post the same studies. I also know he probably knows nothing of genetics but thinks he does. I find that fun since I work in medical research, watching these clowns fumble over concepts they barely understand

No, just ignore them. Treat them like the children that they are, embrace the stereotype of the condescending leftist.

Kek. What are some of those concepts?

ok, but only because I like marxposters. one of the few flags on this board that hasn't been contaminated by idiots yet.

I mean you don't always have too. But there's a difference between Holla Forums coming here and going "Explain yourself leftist!" and Holla Forums coming here and asking to learn more about socialist theory. The former are children, the latter are confused young adults.