Why isn't antifa rioting against Wall Street and DC if it's really all about fighting capitalism?
How do you expect me to believe you when you say you have nothing to do with idpol when it's apparent the only thing that will trigger you into action is a gay Jewish fag who sucks black dick saying mean things about brown Muslim people?
Meanwhile porky is going to go to work tommorow to make himself another million all the same…
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I support them in the sense that they beat nazis so they are fine
Antifa are useful idiots who alienate the working class and nothing more.
the closest thing to antifa rioting was the breaking windows of banks, starbucks, mcds, so that's anti-capitalism
antifa isn't that at all large in comparison to people just generally protesting the government recently
(just because police arrest people/force them to disperse doesn't make it a riot btw)
Antifa is generally not the only form of activism that people in antifa engage in. The theory behind antifa is that you make fascism less attractive by denying fascists the opportunity to appear power. The methods you use to combat fascism are not necessarily the methods you use to combat capitalism at large.
They aren't combating anything a bunch of brown and yellow people are in New York telling white people they are cucks for not supporting Trump and naming the Jew. These Berkely tards are beating woman over the head and trying to kill people in Trump hats, you think that's what the proles want to see in their revolution lel?
I never said it was successful, just explaining what their thought process was. I was only critiquing the "why aren't they fighting porky" because most of them probably are fighting porky too: just under a different banner.
It's a small part of what I want to see, but I want to see it
you live in a propaganda bubble created by the sociopathic-wing of the ruling class
richard spencer getting punched best day of my life btw
we aren't the antifa attacking Milo's speaking engagement, why would you think we are?
You've fallen for a paper tiger there pal. Spencer has no reach, Holla Forums does. How the fuck are so many non whites supporting WN? Do you think that is a propaganda bubble or a reaction to it?
They're called Antifa not Anticaps
Antifa isn't an organization.
The struggle against fascism and capitalism is multifaceted
Red caps are top of the list apparently
ANTI-FASCIST ACTION IS ANTI-FASCIST AND DONE BY ANTI-CAPITALISTS ON THE SIDE.
STUPID FUCKS
Look, OP.
Here's the original "Antifaschistische Aktion" symbol.
What do you see?
2 red flags, representing the Communists and Social Democrats.
What was the original point of the "Antifascist Action"?
Get workers of both parties but also all other socialist movements together for one common denominator: anti fascism.
Uniting antifascists under this symbol, what do you think, did this mean for all participants to abandon their otherwise political work?
Did the KPD mean for their KPD-Members who joined in the Antifaschistische Aktion to stop working for the party itself in- and outside of their secondary organisation?
Did they demand other socialists joining in to drop their other political activities?
No it doesn't.
Despite my rejection of the anarkiddy infested shitty plagiarism running around nowadays this still is the same principle.
Do you know see why your question was not only stupid, but fucking stupid and absolutely ridiculous?
Probably not, because it takes a fucking moron to ask something this fucking stupid, so no amount of educating can safe your stupid ass from doing stupid shit.
Antifa is not anarchism. They seem to be liberals that deem violence okay.
They get paid by the big wigs at "Wall Street" to justify greater control over the populace, all mass rioters in the Modern World are paid, as it's only a small fringe that desire real change. This is a cliché statement, but they know not to bite the hand that feeds them.
Antifa is not a singular organisation you twat, the people in it will be the same people who take part in other protests as well. how can you all yourself a leftist and be ignorant of this basic shit?
For the defense of liberalism, to arms comrades!
How the fuck is punching someone in defense of liberalism you stupid pussy fuck
Name some "ruling class" people who're supporting white nationalism. I can name plenty who support open borders and diversity politics.
Great strategy m8!
We are not antifa
If le diversity and open borders benefits capitalist then they will promote it. If white nationalism and nativism benefits capitalists they will support it.
fuggin retard
How would you suggest they go about rioting against Wall Street and DC? Throw a brick at a politician? Go try that and see how it works out for you.
Give me evidence Wall Street pays them.
antifa are only useful in so far that they could be foot soldiers
They're all getting gulag'd in the end though
They did that during Occupy
He's not even a fascist for fuck's sake
It's not. It's just sperging out in the streets because their own Porkette lost.
Holla Forums needs to get it out of their heads that we care about them beyond seeing them as useful idiots indirectly inspiring leftists into action, though it's for all the wrong reasons
Hopefully by time the inevitably war breaks out we can red pill enough of them to focus on who the real enemy is
Please step out of your echo chamber some time.
Why indeed.
because they're not fighting capitalism. They are are liberal idpol authoritarians.
They will immediately start sucking nazi cock if communists get too strong.
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Read antifa texts. Specifically journals in Germany. The leaders specifically mention that if you think that governments are controlled by small handful of bankers and corporations, you are a proponent of Nazi propaganda and are not allowed to join the movement.
What the fuck.
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There is a very noisy section of Holla Forums which supports any sort of lashing out.
Who cares what antifa was in the Weimar Republic, it's got fuck-all to do with these people.
Anyone that complains about international banks and corporations is an anti semite and a nazi and should be punched or worse.
t.antifa.
judging the workers for looking to hope for relief from their material conditions is anti-leftist. structures matter, not individual judgements.
You can`t pick out both the anti-fascist diplomacy and anti-capitalist diplomacy policy at the same time.
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There are also non white workers.
There are workers that don't inspire to be bosses
Sure, the broader point is that in both cases most people believe what they do because of the social structures around them. Do not individualize this process
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My point is that workers voting for Trump was not a rejection of capitalism. The insertion of importance placed on jobs is hopeful but Trump tempered that with the same shit repubs always do: validating capitalism as le best system, denigrating immigrants and blacks, big government hurts le benevolent companies who just want to give you jobs.
Antifa targeting nazis might alienate some white working class and that is a problem but it also signals to minority workers that we will not tolerate all encompassing hate speech. they need a better method rather than indiscriminately punching trump supporters but lets not pretend that we can somehow continue letting the working class keep idpolling itself into hell
Oh, I see. You may be right, but most people don't really think about stuff like "capitalism." They know they used to have good jobs, and now they don't. The left's job is not to condemn them but to increase class consciousness.
i agree. i see lots of libs cheering on antifa because they target nazis not because they targets enemies of the workingclass. antifa needs to make a point in grounding their actions in justice for the workingclass but you have retards who just want to smash things joining blac block.
my point is just that denigration of minorities in the form of portraying them as non workers, leeches, and dangerous gangbangers and terrorists has reached critical mass. many white working class might ignore this or actively support it without being racist themselves because this language is always used with the implication that the white working class are being victimized by leech minorities or are the real workers.
the problem is then neolibs appeal to minorities by validating them without addressing class issues. This takes class consciousness away from them. They see the only people who will acknowledge them as people like hillary,
We need to be proactive and reach out to minorities by basing our message of anti-hate also in class consciousness otherwise we have lost the white working class and the racial minority working class
Yes the liberal/fascist divide is a pure and true dichotomy and if you don't allow one you're fighting specifically for the other.
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There from reddit I bet. If they get too shitposty we should ban them.
Been here longer than half of you champagne socialists. Still say there's nothing wrong with hurting nazis.
This. /thread
Way to miss the point. Smashies are so fucking simple-minded.
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Nah. Seems more like you insist we claim there's more to it than there is, when there isn't. It's pretty straight forward, and "it'll turn public opinion pro-nazi" is just, false, it's never happened before I don't know why it would suddenly work that way now.
Anti-Deutsche did literally nothing wrong.
all kulaks are the same though etc etc etc
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Because Anti-fa is dedicated to fighting Fascism, as it is one aspect of Capitalism?
If they were out to protest corporate greed or environmental destruction then they'd go as black blocs or something else. Anti-fa is explicitly anti-fascist, turns out.
INTO THE TRASH IT GOES
Because people were beating up shitty skin heads which was easy to look over in the past, but beating up edgy conservatives/liberals hipsters has been shown to be a losing battle(Alt-right/Milo/Trump's government).
Times have change we don't have the full support of the public either on this issue and can't as easily attack them without a care like we used to, this even for REAL "nazis" as well.
All this poorly done liberal protesting is playing into the hands of the current political opposition, giving them the ammo they need to make the "left" look bad and oppress even more so.
What I mostly don't understand is why it's liberal to do it, but then liberals are the second angriest people when it happens.
Because leftypol is so infested by people who roleplay as socialists on an imageboard that they are now jealous of people who larp as them in the streets because they lack the confidence to do it themselves.
"You'll alienate the moderate nazis!" has become the battlecry of those here who either don't believe in leftism at all or are so desperate to criticize anyone further left of kruschev they will denounce anything involving a hoodie no matter what it is.
Well, liberalism as normal people understand of it, is bankrupt of any philosophy, its all about sport team politics and working against their own interest.
So really, its people not knowing what to do and don't understand what is currently happening because their political ideology does not help them understand anything or works for them in the ways they were told lashing out and even going against a core part of their ideology(non-aggression).
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Its a shame that many on the left characterize people just as terrible as the far right extremist in the past and present, have no concept of bad protesting or how it has been used to fuck over socialist movements, continue to irresponsibly dilute the meaning of Nazism/fascism, be political retarded enough to think joining liberals having a spat with other liberals just because one calls the other one Nazis is a "socialist" cause worth fighting for.