Why can't I be a non-racist who recognizes the negative consequences of immigration? Are there really that few of us?
Why does every discussion about immigration here or elsewhere devolve into "Lmao brown people"?
It's not as if I'm saying immigrants or descendants of immigrants (which I am) should be deported or be subject to ostracization. Nor do I think militarized borders are the answer (a systematic change that eradicates poverty and oil wars at the source obviously is)
Ryder Bailey
I wouldn't say that. Most people on this board are more for foreign aid as opposed to mass immigration.
Andrew Powell
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Adrian Gray
Open borders doesn't mean mass migration
Samuel Cooper
Because immigration arguments are all moot as long as long as we're subject to global capitalism as the prevailing system
Owen Reed
No, only ancaps want open borders.
Carson White
true, open borders destroy communities in peripheric countries as long as wealth distribution and colonial exploitation absurdly grows. foreign aid is the alternative to that, de two extremes (no foreign aid - no immigration) and (yes foreign aid and yes unlimited immigration) are not good for any country. that being said, refugees under the auspices of the geneva convention must be admitted, there will always be wars, and if you get herded into some battlefield and get captured by another country, your only hope is that your country keeps the geneva rules as much as the country capturing you.
Logan Jenkins
It's definitely vice versa seeing as how they almost worship private property as a means of replacing borders
Thomas Diaz
Refugees I would say should be accepted in the way zizek describes. It should be orderly, they should be acclimated to society. Also, fund the millions of refugees who are already in camps in Turkey, Lebanon, Iran etc.
Sebastian Lewis
if you're an "an" anything and you want ANY borders, you should fucking check yourself
Hudson Green
Yeah, I want open borders post theoretical revolution. With our current global capitalism system, I don't think open borders would work so well, so you? Jackass
Dylan Edwards
What if I'm an anarcho-liberal who views the importance of private property and secure borders as a means of necessitating an anarchist state?
Justin Scott
A good chunk of this board (perhaps the majority) are just radical liberals who don't really care about the working class. I'm neither strongly pro, nor anti immigration but imagine if you're a worker who hasn't been able to find work for six months and some liberal comes a long and tells you there's enough jobs for everybody, we need more immigrants, their just doing the jobs "white people" are to lazy to do?
In my view, there's gonna be unemployment whether we have immigration or not, its just without it it will be more of a technically-induced kind of unemployment. With it, it will be technically-induced unemployment+an oversaturated labor market+racial conflict incited by the bourgeoise.
Is it really all a coincidence that in developed countries when unions get too strong and worker expectations get "too high" that the capitalists decide its time to ramp up immigration? It's an old problem that existed prior to the 60s when people really started focusing on it.
The Left wont even deal with the fact that immigration is a pro-capitalist policy and that it undermines other struggles for worker fairness as long as capitalism exists. No wonder the average worker gets bitter, as both a worker and a leftist its sad that you rarely hear other leftists talk about how to improve the working class's life tangibly.
I wish I could believe in the "everyone unite and fight" rhetoric that people put out when you question immigration but Holla Forums itself is not free from racial strife and division and its one of the few anti-idpol leftist communities. It has less of it, but in practice will the radical liberals that make up much of the Left activist community ever unite for much of anything other then bourgeois opportunism? I kinda doubt it tbh
Jayden Reyes
I'm for a balanced immigration policy. Canada seems to have a good thing going, where they take a decent number of immigrants but the majority of them are educated. That way they don't take as many jobs from proles and they don't commit as many crimes and integrate better.
James Murphy
Immigration might cause some problems for the working class, but they are massively overrated compared to so much other stuff being done in the name of profit. And with proper immigration you at least help some people while porky profits. So, why is immigration such a big problem for you, fellow communist?
John Anderson
Open borders would actually collapse the system faster. Keeping borders is only going to result in a race to the bottom regarding wages and regulations. It's unworkable currently, everyone gets fucked.
Jordan Kelly
the fuck are you talking about, who said more immigration is better and "fuck whitey" on this board?
Levi Bell
yes, porky immigrants are usually referred to as "expats", and they are much more of a problem, since they only use their capital in "passive investments" and give a fuck about the local economy
Parker Ramirez
Nah I'm with you. What's worse is Merkel's neoliberal shittery has just made the UK vote to leave the EU. An EU I figured out could actually be reformed by its citizens as the referendum campaign was ongoing.
Liam Taylor
I'm a little skeptical about what you think Canadian values are lol
Easton Lee
Yeah but that would be a problem under socialism, especially Chinese porkies buying up property.
Hunter Richardson
Having a hard time seeing the difference between this and a native Canadian tbh
Kevin Bell
Tbh empty Chinese porky owned houses in Vancouver should be the first targets of a growing revolution
Nobody has to die, a point gets made, a porky suffers
Pretty safe way to start
Nathan Wilson
Maybe it's because I'm an American but this sounds almost like sarcasm. This is what capitalists do everywhere, an American capitalists did it to Americans with no restraint. It's like your saying native exploitation is just nicer for some reason.
Zachary Price
Some of our gaslighting reddit newfags.
Austin Davis
im only commenting on based threads now, not seeing any of them around
Camden Garcia
Reread what I'm saying, I said this board is better then most left-wing forums and organizations but it still has some of the same problems.
People defend immigration on Holla Forums all the time even if they don't take it to open border extremes. And yes, racial tension still exists and even if the problem is more coming from the reddit-tier and twitter left flooding in rather then the long-time posters here.
Jack Robinson
Yeah, I think I know what thread he's referencing which would have good examples but it's dropped off the catalog.
Sebastian Jackson
com, i don't think anyone should do this. im just pointing out the flaws in canada's immigration system. chinese porkies, american porkies, canadian porkies are all bad but the canadian system particularly attracts chinese porkies who don't even try to hide their porky ways. maybe its more honest if anything
Landon Williams
Read the FAQ.
Matthew Parker
If I lived out that way I would be down for starting a squat.
Ethan Gomez
I've been here almost two years m8.
Owen Sanchez
So do you just love needless suffering and perpetual civil war (that will eventually spill across borders) or what?
Justin Foster
The alternative being US-backed terrorists spoiling Syrian water supplies in the name of their lord? Hang it up, Augustine. The only just war is class war.
Zachary Young
Nations are spooks and obstacles to communism because they divide the unity of the proletariat. (The very unity which is essential for it to achieve its historical mission) Nationality is a spook. Immigration is a spook. "Illegal Immigrants" are just a comrade you haven't met, and their conditions of living normally make them more class conscious and open to revolutionary politics.
Christian Green
How about just letting people die when they overconsume their resources just like God intended? Don't know why this is so difficult.
Daniel Cooper
The only thing that makes immigration bad is porky's exploitative tendencies to people who are easy to take advantage of. Dissolve the state and capitalism and immigrants become a good thing because it adds more people to our cause and more people to work to make the sovereignty more productive. They are our comrades. Any arguments otherwise are reactionary or ethno nationalist
Carson Long
Ecofascist pls go
Bentley Ortiz
Why can't you stop listening to George Soros?
Elijah James
Immigration is not bad, immigrants should be granted the same rights as normalmcitizens so that they can join unions and demand higher wages, making the whole incentive of illegal immigfation moot
Caleb King
Your sky god and his stone tablets don't obligate me or anyone else to shit. How about fixing breeders after the first kid?