Backlash

Can we talk about the attitudes of liberals and some leftists are responsible for the Brexit and Trump backlash?

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Do you mean that right wingers act like children?

people house glass stones throw.

I don't know how old you are. I've been on forums and image boards for over a decade. The whole time the right wing backlash has been patently growing. And its not like the self-identified left wasn't told. the term backlash had come to almost exclusivly mean a right wing backlash against political correctness. And the left continued to condescend and laugh of people's legit concerns. A trump was inevitable. And yet you still refuse to enter dialogue on the issues that have brought us to where we are. So this is simply a warning. Trump is just the beginning.

the "surge" of the right wing is 3 parts:
1. corporate think-tanks have started actively propagandizing on the internet and have been moving in to control new media for some time now
2. the center is falling apart, especially the center left, in that no one gives a shit about voting for bland neolibs like clinton or someone like blair or merkel. Trump didn't get any more votes than previous repubs, Hillary just did terribly.
3. capitalism is in a compounding crisis of low growth and high debt, and combined with globalization makes social democratic policies unfeasible without a genuine left-winger with no corporate or wealthy patrons

no one cares dude

you racist homobigot muslimaphobe

Attitudes is not class analysis.

post disregarded.

He's the beginning and the end. The left made the mistake of telling while working class men and married white women that they can just fuck right off. Turns out they're a massive majority when you remove the dysfunctional shitholes of New York and California, which is what the electoral collage essentially does. Whoops! Whitelash. Trump has an easy 8 years in office (if the CIA don't get rid of him like they did Kennedy) since he's going to make good on all of his campaign promises, and despite the left's attempts at destroying this nation, he really will make it great again and during his second campaign, most of the anti-trumpers and a lot of the bernouts the ones who weren't just in it for the gibs will come over to Trump's side, and he'll blow whoever DNC puts up, right the fuck out.

But 8 years from now once America has been made great again and the working class is happier than they've ever been in their lifetimes, they'll grow complacent. They won't go out to vote since the next guy isn't going to be Trump, and he won't be able to mobilize them. They're going to lose to a Democrat masquerading as a "reasonable centrist", who will do nothing for several months, coasting on the prosperity that Trump created, but then they'll start fucking everything up.

Don't think there's a backlash but Liberals have been shown for what they are, not 'reasonable moderates' but centrist ideologues who only have their own self-interest at heart

ideology concentrations are going through the fucking roof here captain

It's time to grow up and act like a man.

this is the most confused political image I've ever seen

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Political correctness hurts society.

trumptards really believe this
Trump didn't have a major backing of white working class. He didn't even get the amount of support Reagan or other repubs have. He courted fly over country by scaring them about ISIS and had the typical backing repubs get of petty bourg whites

Only thing it hurts is your feelings.

political correctness is a response to the anonymity of the internet bringing out the worst in humanity (right-wingers)

It really does

Why are you still pushing the "trump doesn't actually have any support" meme? What are you afraid of?

Facts are not memes.

Heh, it's a "fact" that Trump doesn't have any support?

Tell me about the crowd sizes, user :^)

this
trump got as many votes or less as every republican
Young people are solidly left-wing, and yes that includes young working-class whites

he got the same amount of votes as prior republican presidential candidates, Hillary just had low turnout because people are sick of corporate dems

How are Brexit and Trump's election "backlashes" regarding the revolution?

ok

I think this is a comfort blanket to a lot on the left. I am telling you, this has been a growing undercurrent for over a decade. It is largely organic. Siumply dismissing them again as easily led plebs (as you just did) will only make this worse.


Absolutely agree.


And even then in the current system you're looking at race to the bottom. Netionalism IS an alternative. The global elites current strategy centrers on globalisaityon. I don't know where rocking the boat ends but I'm willing to give it a try. I'm automatically precluded from the left due to my excellent attitudes on Islam. So if I see the problem with the center. And have irreconcilable differences with the left. Where else is there to go? I don't support Trump-esque policies out of spite (at least not in the way that you think). I do because I see a hard reset as preferable to the status quo.

People did not vote for Trump against Hillary. Those who would vote for republicans anyway voted for him, the others simply didn't vote for Hillary. Trump did not win the election, it was Hillary who lost.

People DO care tho. Or at least pretend to. If I took to fugbook right now and ranted about muzzies, I'd likely lose my job and probably end up attacked by anti-fa at some stage. This censorship was another factor on the backlash.

Oh boy here we go.

Censorship means not being able to express your opinions, not people unwilling to associate with you because you are a piece of shit.

Hilary for prison amirite?
LMAO we gonna DRAIN THE SWAMP
Not for Shillary's defense but being forced to defend a rapist =/= actually wanting to

I'm glad she lost

kay

It's just being a decent human being.

Do you read what you type before you click 'new reply', user?

What kind of retarded pish is this? I'm not the one demanding safe space. I revel in honest discussion. But that is impossible today.

If you don't think that telling the majority of a population to STFU over their concerns of immigration is dangerous then please take a seat and watch this space. It is the liberals/some leftists that have created this environment where debate is shut down. When we can't talk through or ideas and concerns then voting for a radical may be the only way to get your point across. You're actually the perfect example of the modern day liberal I described in OP.

Interesting how these "fascists" on the "right" will sit there and try to reason with you and explain where you're wrong when they disagree, while the "anti fascists" will try to get you fired and do everything up to attempting to end your life when they disagree with you.

Really fires my neurons.

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LOCK HER UP

lol are you twelve or what? Try growing up retard

Patently false.


telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11391314/Rotherham-child-sex-abuse-scandal-council-not-fit-for-purpose.html

an aside, were any of you on 4pol when this broke? I hope we shit them up real good.

Crying about your hurt feelings is not reasoning.

Bullshit. PC was a thing when I was in school in the 90s.

Projecting your hurt feelings onto me when I'm happier than I've been in years isn't reasoning either, friend. I just want you to be as happy as I am, and I want you to succeed, just not at the cost of others.

Nationalist here, if y'all care for an outside opinion.


The left have absolutely been shooting themselves in the foot extra hard over the last few years, but the underlying trend was always moving this way.


This post is pretty accurate.


The center is gone for good.
There's some context denial in your comparison of Trump vs. other Republicans vote count

It's not that simple mate. The left went too damn far off the rails this time. The nationalism genie was let out of the bottle, and it's not just going to go back in.

He got 2 million more than Romney did in 2012.


37% of 19-29 year olds voted Trump. Just shy 4 in ten. Not exactly overwhelming given the known tendency to vote 'left' when you're younger.

They are signs of the backlash against the establishment. Backlash is the exact term. It is exactly what people have been warning about for over a decade. I assure you any oldfags on here will have come across the term in context of political correctness over the years.

That's just objectively not true m8.
There were enormous demographic swings across the board.

This lie is uphold by both left and right. For the left, it provides the comfortable illusion that people are naturally left-wing, that they can only be right-wing through a failure of the left. For the right, it provides them with the argument that the left failed, that they have to set things straight.

When I can be expelled from school or university for certain ideas, this is censorship. Hell in the UK I can go to jail for saying holocaust doesn't real.

Sure thing sweetie.

whats the demographic swing here rofl

this is of the young people who actually voted.
that means in all actuality about 9 million out of 50 million voted Trump. Thats about 1 in 5.

Romney is a neolib. Obama is a neolib. There was almost no difference in policy besides appealing to Christians about muh abortion and muh gays.

You've told me to grow up twice now, while demanding a gilded bubble that protects you from dissenting opinion. Topkek mein child.

But did you die?

Then please stop.

They are signs of struggles within the establishment (aka: the capitalist class), and, subsequently, of changes in the establishment's policy.

And yet I notice the other 4/5 didn't vote for the alternative.

Trump is a meme. NY times creates this whole poor hwhites love Trump because it rustles liberals jimmies and makes them afraid.
Trump promotes this whole poor hwhites love me because it scares libs.
The truth is Trump live every other republican depends on petty bourg whites (who are basically class enemies) and muh Christian idpol folks. He's unique but not that much. He's still a capitalist piece of shit.
And the biggest reminder is putting Andy fuck the poor puzder as his secretary of labor

The left was under the impression that the "big brown wall" was their saving grace.

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Are you insinuating because at least some millenials aren't retards and realize that this was a race between a global capitalist and a muh nativism capitalist that they supported trump?

Wow trumptards really are this retarded

Again, you dismiss my warning. This is not something I've imagined or made up. This backlash was brewing way before Trump, Holla Forums or the alt-right. The elite may try to take control of it but it is a volatile beast. Attacking Trump supporters for their ideas and having the audacity is a surefire way of escalating it.

Correct.

Not exactly. But they DID vote for him. Sure, some of this will be because his opposition was Clinton.

I'm not sure I follow your question anyway. I'm not saying that Trump was inevitable but A Trump was. Somebody who stood up for those who've been ignored of castigated the past two decades. If your point is that they voted for 'nativism' over internationalism then this is exactly what I've been saying. Trump was the one who vocalized and capitalised on it, but the mood has been there a long time. That it took a self-funding candidate who tore up the rulebook to be that candidate should inform you as to how much this has shaken the establishment. They, and yourself would do well to understand the motivations instead of dismissing them as hicks.

There is time to stop this going where it may. Physical attacks on his supporters is not the way.

Being proud of your heritage does not mean it gets to be "white pride". You can be proud of your English, Scottish, French, Dutch, (insert any white European) heritage.
It's all a fucking spook though.
I wish I had the edit of normal people to the left and Holla Forums for the right
Whíte genocide is not real just because you can't get your dick wet.

I think you need a little "Marxism ABC".

The only "elite" there is is the capitalist class. Of course, it is divided into factions, with different interests and therefore different approaches on the matter of government, but the core of said government always remains: the defense of their class interests.

What you are trying to say is that the masses, and first and foremost the proletarians, are deeply unsatisfied and Trump's election is the result of this. That's probably right, although this election is a dead-end for the proletariat for Donald "fucking billionaire" Trump is obviously part of the same elite as Clinton. Moreover, any election result would have been a dead-end, because any bourgeois state cannot do anything but defend the capitalist class against the proletariat anyway.

We communists want to destroy this state. This is the only course of action that will bring actual results to the proletariat. Therefore Trump's election is not, in itself, a backlash for us.

No dumbass. I'm attacking people like you who think that you are going to get people on the far left to support Trump. We know he's a capitalist. We don't give a shit about your nationalism. Most of us are internationalists not globalists. Trumps appointments are proof he is nothing but a capitalist wrapping himself up in nativism. I oppose both.
of course polfags would say this. I don't give a fuck about hicks but I'ma keep beating on nazis

start the real genocide. shoot yourself faggot

Is that what you think this thread is about?


The last thing you beat was likely your girlfriends flacid cock.

You missed the entire point of that post.
Whites, regardless of origin country are not allowed to behave tribally.

Every other group is actively encouraged to act tribally, and they are all weaponized against the whites in the process.

I have a fiance, nice try though.

I just came here to give an outsider's perspective, sorry if I triggered you with my whiteness.

What a waste of perfectly good dubs
DUDE HUMANS VS ORCS
Your dakimakura does not count.
Holla Forumsyp's perspectives are always feels > reals hence MUH WHĮTE GENOCIDE

Stop being a faggot, and let's actually discuss it.

Mixing is not the issue. Immigration is the issue.

And yet through neglect, omission or intent you've alienated the section of society you really need behind you. Libtard students are only allies to you til they get their nice job in HR at a large banking house. Well played…

He's right tho.


The irony being feelz>>>realz comes straight from Holla Forums

I smell a samefag
Prove it then.
I'll steal their memes too while I'm at it

How is that?

Who have we, communists and anarchists, alienated? Last time I checked it was the cold war propaganda that scared the entire working class away from leftism.

No mate. They never ally us.

You smell wrong. Gonorrhea?


prove what? His initial claim was basically that black/arab/asian pride are all encouraged and celebrated while 'white pride' is presented exclusively as something nazi. The wiki pages are pretty revealing here.


No way…

Nope, was not a samefag.

If you don't wanna hear what you did wrong this election cycle, why are you even in this thread?

I don';t understand the questiun. Are you saying that the native working class haven't been ignored?

Sorry to break it to you. You people have a tactile alliance with liberals cause you've both struggled to actually find a positive cause recently to rally to, so have fallen back on just instead attacking anything 'right wing'. This echo-chamber has pushed your perception of the world further and further left to the point where questioning immigration, even on the grounds that it harms to native working class, is now shouted down as Nazism.

You're right about the cold war propaganda. But maybe speaking in the positive about the nation or family would have helped dispel some of the more radical claims made.

Oh great a nazbol
Even worse
White pride is deeply rooted in white supremacy go and edit your beef bitching with wikipedia
Say you're white Americlap pride or whatever the fuck and you're good you spooked faggot
This is your last you from me

No, communisms spectacular failure scared the working class away from communism specifically.

The working class was fairly left-leaning for decades, if you stopped worrying about tranny bathrooms and white muh privilege you might have had time to address their concerns.

what the hell just happened?

Lurk more, go to liberalpol, or get banned faggot

Gain some reading comprehension

Haha alright. You come to this board, which pretty much exists to get away from people who only care about "tranny bathrooms and white muh muh privilege" and then complain that we STILL only care about those things. Holla Forums is all about a return to class-issues. Besides, even SJWish socialists realize that a lot of these issues liberals "care" about are just distractions to fuck the working class over.

We are a global movement aiming for a global revolution through a global dictatorship. Tell me what natives you are talking about again?

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Well if you're not just meming me, the entire thing should have just fallen into place. The backlash is in part nationalism in response to an internationalism/globalism that has trampled the working classes of the developed world. Even Davos and the UN now concede there have been 'losers' in globalisation. Now they're making their voices heard.

That's pretty hilarious. Communists have had a "positive cause" for almost two centuries now: the revolution. That's actually what defines them.

Go on your autistic "white pride worldwide" mem

lurk moar faggot

Free trade and protectionism are two faces of the same coin: the defense of capital's interests. In both cases, the losers are the proletarians in the whole world.

Vague talk of a revolution, when you cannot describe how it will happen or how things will look afterwards appeals only to idealists. We know that banning muzzies ain't nice. But it has predictable consequences that a majority find appealing or at least neutral.

Revolution nao isn't good enough.


Maybe so. But a national porky I can at least conceive of fighting should I have to. I simply wander into the citi of London and blow myself up. It is about accountability and representation.

The majority of people of people aren't okay with kicking out the Muslims, though. Right-wing populist parties might be doing very good in polls but they are, at best, just the largest party. The majority of people wouldn't vote for them.

There is nothing vague about the revolution: we have been describing how it will happen and what will come afterwards for 170 years now. Read Marx and you'll see.

And no one said the revolution is gonna happen now.

No capitalist policy ever is. Capitalists are the enemies of all the proletariat, remember?

Consequences related to the prospect of a revolution?

Come on, I'm sure you can conceive better then that. Do you intend to wander in Syria and blow yourself up to fight ISIS?

What? Let me repeat since you haven't understood: a bourgeois state is never accountable to nor representative of anyone but the capital. And if you are a proletarian, the capital is your mortal enemy.

It's going to sound silly, but if we're being completely honest, gamergate had a huge role in shifting a great deal of people to the right. The gg movement, itself, didn't accomplish anything significant, but the nature of the scandal and cover up with collusion with the media, lies and gaslighting, SJWs showing shewing some of their most insane positions, and the outright bullying tactics of those in charge really was a shock to the system of a lot of normies in the 15-30 year old range that just liked to play video games and hang out on the internet. That led them down a rabbit hole into anti-liberal, anti-SJW, conspiracy theories libertarianism, and, for some, fascist ideologies.

If you trace the events of the past three years back, I don't think Trump is possible without gamergate turning people off to the mainstream media. Heck, none of us would have probably even heard of Holla Forums if not for that, none of this would exist as it does. Heck we had a presidential candidate call pepe the frog a mascot of white supremacism in front of the world. None of the events leading to that happen without gamergate.

Uh-huh. And how's that working out for you? Cause from where I'm sitting, capital has never been in a stronger position.

GG may have been a small part of it but 'it' has been brewing for far longer than 3 years. If I had to pick a moment, it would be this cross-dressing murderer.

Capital has been in the exact same position for 200 years mate: the dominant class. Your point being?

Probably because you're pig ignorant and have no idea what the state of capital is

Are you saying the left is closer to victory now than it was in the period just after the great war? Even the majority of leftists speak in terms of reformism.


Ask yourself why.