Are there any christian games that are genuinely good, or that heavily feature christian themes?

I've never played it, but this boss sort of looks like Stefan Molyneux.

That's actually kind of terrifying.

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No, they can't come up with any good games without hijacking or stealing someone else's intellectual property. Not unlike SJWs.

You are asking for a bible thumping story, when any with good men believing in God and fighting evil is christian already.

Xenosaga

shin megami tensai

Castlevania games kind of, even latest one has Satan and other stuff in it.
Diablo 1 had a lot of Christian themes.

Nephi's Adventure 2

There are plenty of good games, plenty of good media in general, that use Christian themes without necessarily being Christian in tone. I believe that they even appear in Final Fantasy and the like. The issue is that Christian themes are generally separated from their source material in order to make them more accessible and also to strip them from certain negative connotations.

It kind of depends on what you mean by a "Christian" game. If you mean games that use metaphors for what are widely considered to be Christian ideals then sure there are a lot of those. There are quite a few games that parallel Christianity quite closely. However, there are also games that use Greek mythology in the same way, so that might not be as meaningful as what you're looking for.

You see the issue is that if you set out to make something not for the sake of making something but for the sake of spreading the Christian message then your work becomes invariably tainted by a simple psychological trick: You're not focusing on making a good game, you are focusing on the Christian message, which distracts you from the fundamentals of game development. In fact more often than not what you end up doing is creating a product that just shoves Christianity in peoples' faces and just fails to be good on its own merits. I have yet to see this pattern broken. I think the closest thing I could ever call good Christian literature is The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis, which is unambiguously a metaphor for the story of the crucifixion, and even then… ehhh… it's kind of a generic fantasy story.

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I do wonder about this phenomenon. I mean, why exactly do propaganda games suck so much? You say because the focus is on pushing politics, but that should have little to do with the gameplay. Nothing is stopping the code monkeys from making a fun game while the hipster writers shit out their ideological drivel.

Because the people who create good games are tech autists. Coding and the like is not just something on the side, its their main interest thus taking away from their other interest if they have them, they aren't actually well versed in real world lore. They are mainly capable of taking a theme and applying it but not much further, see DOOM.

Yeah, but with bigger teams you get different people working on different things. A code monkey is there to make a functional piece of software. Said software will work whether the characters are humans or feminist blobs of lard. Writers should have no effect on the way a game plays.

Maybe it's the hiring practices? Developers that are more concerned with rubbing their shit in your face tend to only hire those of sufficient ideological purity, and ideological purity has little to do with actual talent.

Does Binding of Isaac count?

The TempleOS games library.

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I can't give a definitive answer here because it would require some expertise in game design theory that I don't have, but it has a lot to do with how the message of a game, the experience that you want the user to have, impacts the finished product. Gaming is an art form in which everything contributes to the feel of the game. Even if a developer doesn't want to focus on, for example, graphics (which is common in the indie market) the graphics still influence the general feel of the game. In the same way, the philosophy that a game designer is pushing impacts the way the game feels. If you have some game that's designed to push a narrative, it will take its toll on the finished product, even if the finished product is very good.

Part of the reason why Christian evangelism tends to fall flat in the West is that Christianity is already the majority stance, so it's kind of a preaching to the choir situation but it also has a lot to do with the evangelists growing up in a society in which they might have difficulty understanding why people disagree with them (because they don't encounter dissent as often as they need to) and therefore what kind of convincing they have to do, so evangelism tends to be muddled, a little scatter-brained, and frequently off the mark. That has huge implications for game design.

This isn't unique to games; the same problem exists in literature, music, pretty much every medium, but it's particularly glaring when it comes to video games because video games combine just about every other artform and add interactive elements on top of it, so if your message affects everything about the game then any negative impact is going to be huge.

As I finished typing this I came to realize that this alllll applies to feminism as well. Huh. Interesting.

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Reminder that Faith and religion are two different, usually contradictory things.
Churchfags are brainwashed kettle used by soulless establishments to support their fucking lowly desires.

Believing in God != supporting fat kikes and doing retarded fucking rituals that mean nothing.
Sage for offtopic.

Shin Megami Tensei

Not the anime.

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Japanese media that uses Christian themes actually kind of interests me, because for the majority of Japanese people Christianity is a largely foreign religion, and from what I understand normally when they use it in media it's used in the same way that Westerners would use ancient Greek or Roman mythology. It's interesting getting an outsider's perspective on what turns out to be such a ubiquitous belief system that a lot of people take seriously (at least where I live).

They also like to take a lot of creative license, by the way, just like we do with Greek and Roman mythology, so keep that in mind.

You drastically underestimate how essential good management is. Tech autists don't just magic up good gameplay. Left to their own devices they'll fuck around making TECHNOLOGY instead of a game and you wind up with things like Overgrowth. SJW management doesn't understand game development as they spent their college years wiping period blood on US flags for course credit and aren't able to get good work out of the autists.

It's actually a little more complex than that. Back when the Tokugawa had finally established complete dominance over Japan a bunch of Jesuits came along. It was quickly discovered they were trying to ferment popular unrest and convert the peasant population to Christianity so they could destabilize the Shogunate and make it easier for European nations to conquer them. This in turn led to their expulsion from the country, contributed to Japan's isolationist stance and even resulted in an uprising by the Christian converts. Japan is pretty suspicious of Christianity.

That would explain it. So, it's not the writers or the coders that fuck up, but the cucks they put in charge of the project.

No, because God doesn't care about good Christian games. He wants good Christians in real life.

Hello cuckstian, how's judeo-christian tradition going?
Did you mutilate your penis and gave money to Israel yet?

That was way too easy.

In all honesty, there are very few video games that take monarchy seriously and as a positive influence. Christianity is all about that inequality, agape, logos, salvation, hell and the sort.
Do you want to bring forth God's kingdom in video games? You can probably do that. Do you want to have your character devote themselves to God? That's not fun in real life, not immediately. I suppose a Christian game could work as a simulator or RPG with heavy focus on moral choices.

On the other hand, if there was a game that took martyrdom seriously, US merchantists would sue it.

Americans. Always so serious, but always strictly in the realm of ignorance.

Wot?

Hell isn't ruled by Satan, unless you take your religious teachings from Hollywood, Simpsons etc. Hell is a place designed to torment Satan and his angels for all of eternity. There are angels who have been prepared from the beginning to torture Satan there.

How is that a democracy, imbecile?

Actually, game devs ripped off from Christian movie directors like John Woo and Sam Peckinpah.

So basically a prison? Established by Heaven?
Then there is even less democracy in there.

Abrahamic religions are a tool of the jew.

Strategy games do….

It implies that you voted to go hell. Which is true if you think about it. If you hate God and Christians throughout your lifetime, then why would you want to spend an eternity with them?

People vote themselves in. All is equal in hell. Nobody is equal in heaven, where strict hierarchies exist, and the faithful are rewarded differently.

Don't simplify metaphysical monstrosities.

Not very common, aside from the recent surge of 4k.

Most medieval RPG and RTS/TBS almost always have a good king vs bad king archetypes.

Is that even true?

There are different layers of hell.

Yes, someone keeps digging, then the others demand equality, then they all sink. Just like in real life.

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That's not like how it was described in the Divine Comedy.

Divine Comedy isn't canon. It's great, but it isn't canon. It could be argued that hell is a meritocracy, which is the most just form of equality.

>>/suicide/

For us lazy people, it is.

Mass religion is a step towards globalization with it removing and replacing local spiritual beliefs, thus watering down culture.

It might work. It's not Nihilism, oh no, but the Book of Ecclesiastes is similar to Nihilism as far as the "Life is meaningless and nothing about a mortal life on Earth matters" part goes.

True religion is individualistic in nature, even though it has a communal aspect to it.
Read on the Diana cult.

Westerners now have the cultural freedom to cut loose family ties, but lack the personal freedom to become individuated.
Freedom and individualism basically means constantly indulging in temporary pleasures, be it fucking around on tinder, jacking off all day or being a disgusting slob.

Have you read the book entirely or did you read out of context verses that were interpreted by a skeptic?

In modern terms and it takes out these two things out of its communal context.

Ye, forgot to add "nowadays". In better times individualism was a means to serve your community in an unique way which capitalized on your strengths.

Your analogy doesn't make any sense, because ancient greeks and romans were western societies and Christianity was built on these old religions.

You mean inherited because full christianization wasn't possible.

The message of the game is literally

Nihilism is only the reaction of the characters towards you completely ignoring that message.

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Play this game OP, it's not exactly Christian but it portrays faith as a good thing. You play as the benevolent God who has to kick Satan's ass and rebuild society.

Confirmed for neither of you playing Undertale. The game comes down to some feelgood bullshit that only 'le quirky xd' Earthbound fans would eat up. It's a literal MEMEGAME

Messiah was a religious game, and a fucking good one too.

Have you even sat down and thought about the game's story for a bit or are just memeing that it's bad because our thread was infected by faggots and therefore the game must be bad? I'm not even saying that the game's writing is very good, but there is an obvious fucking message behind the presented themes.

I mean, how do you people not fucking see this?

Do you even read the shit you post before letting it loose into this thread?
This isn't Dead Money, faggot.
It's 3 endings, and two of them are non-endings that don't conclude anything, and one of those is literally just a blank screen with different dialogue depending on who you killed.
Genocide doesn’t end with the end of the world, you stupid fuck, it ends with a dumb little kid stuck inside a cavern full of dead shit.

As a foreign religion it's safer to poke fun of and manipulate for entertainment purposes without causing offense to believers and thus disruption within their society. There's a reason why there was a ungodly amount of Japanese nun porn use to be made.

That theme isn't exclusive for Dead Money, not an argument.

Even if you count all neutral endings as one ending it still doesn't disprove my point. None of what you've said disproves my point in any way. I'm saying "There are different endings and the villain of the game encourages you to play around and experiment so that you can get all of them. And also warns you not to do it after True Pacifist because he changes his mind for a moment" and all you're saying "The endings suck." even if I agreed with you on that it still has no barring on my point.

Chara's dialogue from the Genicode ending:

What part of "erase this world" do you not understand?

Are you implying that Christians don't mutilate their children's genitals? Because boy are you in for an unpleasant surprise.

Maybe you should just let go of the idea that blundertale is good. The """Meta""" writing falls flat for people who didn't like the game because the whole point is the game is making fun of people who like it. They should be made fun of, at least I think Toby Fox was aware of what he was creating, and laughing at idiots like you who think the writing is LOLDEEP

Roman and Orthodox churches doesn't practice it, only reformed church. I wonder why…

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Jesus christs needs to run for presidency in CY+2, user, i would vote for him

Jesus Christ, I guess that explains the people who defect to the north.

Did you know that originally Koreans believed that man's body is the perfect design by God and shall not be modified, only maintained and improved by a healthy diet and exercise, but then a literal feminist-satanist cabal seized power through a conspiracy involving mind-controlling witch and started mutilating boys?

Is there any game that has the actual biblical angels? The fucking terrifying ones?
The only game I know is >>>/ebola/27353 endgame facility having pic related

Which God? There are a bunch of them.

Five Nights at Freddy's

Isn't that basically what happened to Judaism?

It's pretty much what happened here in the United States. They even used rape prevention as a completely 100% serious excuse to do it. Specifically they said it would stop black men from raping white women.

Hooooly shit I forgot all about that. Well-done, user.

Are there stupider whites than Americans?

Yes. The World Health Organization.

Depends which Judaism you mean, OG follows as part of the deal with the God as written in old testament, in the atheist greedy judaism "jews" circumcise subservient goyim so they don't have an idea to fuck their women > so it's a benevolent version of eunuch guards in harems.

Don't they sell the foreskin for companies or something?

Some medical organizations are purchasing them for STEM cell research, and some pharmaceutical companies are using the collagen harvested from foreskins in anti-aging creams.

So, yeah, you know, totally worth it. Sure you had a bit of your dick chopped off against your will but at least your mom gets to feel pretty.

Ye, for some complexion creams IIRC.

So wait, women rub penis leftovers on their face?
Are you sure that's not like, a really elaborate prank?

I'm assuming that's just the cheapest way to get the collagen they need. The suffering of millions of children is second in importance to the demand for complex organic compounds that interact with the skin to make it look younger.

Does this count?

Actually I'm being a little unfair here. There's also an organization called ForeGen that are using donated foreskins to study regenerative medicine, but they're having funding problems because again the suffering of millions of children… making women feel younger…

Got a source or archive of your pic?

I don't. It was posted by another user on a different board. There have been a lot of similar studies published (primarily in the United States, I think) ever since the 80s, though, so it shouldn't be hard to find. The Doctors Opposing Circumcision website is a good source for literature if you're looking.

Kind of hard to make a good religious video game when the average video game enthusiast is a chronic masturbator and a shut-in.

I think the biggest issue is the idea of what a Christian game entails. Just look at Super 3D Noah's Ark compared to Wolfenstein 3D or Doom and it becomes instantly obvious why they sell like shit. The built in demographic, or at least their parents, will reject any game that isn't made for toddlers in mind, if they are even willing to consider allowing access to games to their progeny to begin with.

I think this shit is making me feel physically ill. I didn't come here to feel despair.

Who could blame them? Video games actually can ruin your life and lead you into a pit of unending depression and partial celibacy.

Seek and ye shall find

The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe is really the best you can come up with for good Christian literature?

Well I've read quite a bit; I come from a Christian family. I'm really having trouble thinking of anything better. The Lord of the Rings, I guess, but I'm not sure that really counts.

I wouldn't count The Lord of the Rings either, and I doubt you've actually read that much Christian literature.

Come on. Just from the top of my head I could name:

Oh fuck you're right I forgot about Paradise Lost. Shit, this is embarrassing because I've actually read that. I wonder if I still have it.

please care more

What a pleasant surprise.

Scott Cawthon made a game "The Pilgrim's Progress".

Might be something you'd like.

There are a shitload of games with Christian themes in them, almost everything developed in the west, in fact. Most of these don't lapse into evangelical proselytization though. Those that do tend to be lackluster games because the folks making them aren't good developers and see the medium simply as a avenue for their ministry.

Xenogears. Trust me. :^)

everyday with these shitty template threads