ID IS HABBENING
Well that would be nice - if we actually had unions in this country that weren't total sellout orgs.
Syndicalism is dead. Let it rest in peace.
'sup COINTELPRO
lol, not going to happen
Enjoy 8 years of ineffectual liberal protest comparing Trump to various villains from books/films made for children
No.
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Criticizing Chomsky is all fine and dandy. On the other hand, the "X is dead" kind of defeatism sounds very suspicious.
So now Noam "vote Hillary" Chomsky wants to be a radical?
If militant means killing people, then hey, at least that's a significant change to bashing the trash.
Every fucking time…It's like pottery
It's also been the language of the left for 40 years.
Even the Chomster doesn't want a big societal upheaval but a slow and steady "evolution".
this
Chomsky allows people to call themselves "leftists" and "anarchists" without critically thinking and always supporting the status quo
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syndicalism is the future, unions>parties
you have to be pretty young to think that's his MO for the majority of his life, he doesn't need to be tossed in the trash because he lost some hope in his later years
It's almost like he's 🍀🍀🍀paid🍀🍀🍀 to do it
I archived the Alternet interview from which this article was taken.
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Haven't read it yet, but this sounds interesting.
> When the Soviet Union collapsed I wrote an article describing the events as a small victory for socialism, not only because of the fall of one of the most anti-socialist states in the world, where working people had fewer rights than in the West, but also because it freed the term "socialism" from the burden of being associated in the propaganda systems of East and West with Soviet tyranny – for the East, in order to benefit from the aura of authentic socialism, for the West, in order to demonize the concept.
25 years later and he still expects to get his "authentic (market) socialism".
Syndicalism only works if you have a sizable industrial workforce, which the US doesn't.
Shit, wrong webm, lemme find correct one.
Anyone who calls Lenin a "proto-fascist" belongs in the bin with all other petit-bourg reactionaries
The IWW and other unions are tiny compared to their former days and have no gaining new members in a service based society. The only hope for revolution now is libertarian municipalism
Not his, and it's actually been pretty successful. More successful than Not Socialism.
just because workforce composition has shifted doesn't mean unionization can't still happen
This one is what I meant to post.
When the fuck did he write this?
actually been gaining members more recently
When did he say to vote Hillary?
Even if he did, he supported Bernie beforehand.
he just thinks voting in a liberal democracy can only ever act to minimize inevitable damage, people just like to exaggerate everything when they're conducting leftist purity tests.
During the election. Noam's been a subscriber to the lesser-of-two-evils strategy for a while now. I think it's his age.
service industry is still industry
Half a year ago. truth-out.org
But I have no idea what he actually meant under "authentic socialism". I mean, I recognize Anarchists as Socialists only in theory. What he considers "authentic socialism" is beyond my understanding.
No it was literally just for muh global warming. He wasn't thinking globally enough to realize that a protectionist and """isolationist""" America would allow China and Russia to take the lead and free the world from American hegemony.
I'm not sure why people think you have to LARP as a literal steel-factory worker or coal miner to be a "proper worker" wrt unionization. What a strange purity test
How does it being about global warming change that he advocated the lesser-of-two-evils?
Chomsky is responsible for the propagation of evo-psych and other racists sciences.
Take the Rafiq pill
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Fuck Chomsky, he's only good as an intro to leftism
He's a petty imperialist apologist at heart, like Orwell
That's funny, because the main complaint from the right I hear is that he's "a constant complainer, offering no solutions to problems, just blaming murica"
But I do agree he's an intro
Hold thy tongue, lad.
He apologizes for imperialist regimes though.
let the past go, ffs
Every fucking time…It's like pottery
be more constructive with your feedback
It's hard to when I'm replying to an obvious shitpost.
He's contributed more to the study and opposition of modern imperialism than Marxist """academics""" like Zizek.
Yeah. I've never heard Chomsky offer up a word in defence of imperialism.
LIBERTARIAN DEATH SQUADS NOW
How so? Noam has contributed a lot to ideas of innate human nature and Autism Level differences
i think trump would need to do something to really screw (native) workers or else there would need to be another economic crash for this to happen. as long as trump is just picking on muslims and mexican immigrants i don't expect the unified working class to get involved much.
Yeah, but look at who they have gained. Smothering the current IWW with a pillow would be the best way to honor what they once were.
Well I've not heard of that. Care to elaborate or show proof?
How on Earth is Trigglypuff related to unions?
She is an Anarchist idpoler
don't worry fam anti-racists are going to not go to starbucks for a few days and the economy is gonna collapse lol
Yeesh, that's unfortunate. But is she active in local unions? I hope that anyone who comes into contact with her doesn't take her [idpol] shit.
There's going to be another crash sometime soon. I really hope that's the push that proles need to finally say "fuck it" & organize. Wasn't it the '08 crash that fueled OWS?
It's the future.
And don't get me started on revisionists who can't let go of stuff that got debunked in 19th century.
N-nope.
Does he mean actually militant or just strict?
cmon now
I'm sick of these fucking effete intellectuals telling people to start "organizing" and going out in the streets to get shot and beaten by the police while these pieces of shit sit in their ivory towers observing from a distance. And then when the plan fails they say "oh well lol, we just gotta think better next time :^)"
yeah I'm getting the sense you haven't talked to any wobblies or been to their offices, they absolutely despise liberals and don't even really like some of the more "radical" socialist parties/orgs for being too obsessed with party politics and social issues
that's not really a critique of the necessity of militant action
>I dont like it when dumb people blindly followthe orders of the intelligentsia to their death
well then you best start screaming at more people to read some fucking books
Yes it is. These fucking "theorists" spout their untested bullshit off as gospel and demand action to be taken to better society, and when the action comes and transforms itself into something more sinister than the previous system, or it completely fails, they go, "at least we know now." If people want to bring change it has to work within the system itself and through a legitimate material basis, not some bullshit "social change." The best place to start would be for union expansionism, and increased social spending and pushing the agenda through their. Not causing discord within a society through extralegal action (I wonder how many people agree with BLM glorious uprisings).
again, someone's individual hypocrisy doesn't invalidate their ideas
It's not just fucking individual hypocrisy, it's peoples lives being ruined or thrown away for a cause that will most likely not occur.
Not with that attitude; that's for sure.
And this is worse than the "vote Trump" Holla Forums was spewing because of "muh accelerationism" how?
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Holla Forums isn't one person, comrade. Accelerationism was a meme, btw.
Yet more armchair "activism" that's going to be about as effective as tipping over another trash can
Wake me up when they do revolution
let me put it this way, I agreed with the idea before he said anything and am willing to put myself at risk for the good of the cause
why should him chiming in change my position on this?
Good use of that flag.
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If this is true we might actually even see liberals taking up arms. The dialectic in motion.
ofc
But seriously why are so many leftists kikes.
This shit infuriates me to no end
God, no matter how much I grow to hate liberals I will still always hate conservatives even more.
Same thing happened under Bush. Liberals just whined and wrote witty op-eds.
But religious freedom is exactly what liberals believe in
There is no difference bro
Jews form the intellectual vanguard for the progressive movement. We also form the majority of the world's capital elite.
t. proud jew
What are you on about fam?
He wants to change the law
literally what
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Bush illegally invaded a fucking country and all liberals did was write clever comedy sketches about how dumb he was. He funneled federal money into private religious schools and they didn't even care. Liberals are useless.
There is obviously a pretty big difference. But what do you mean by
That they're both working within a capitalist system?
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I'd webm it, but don't have the program available to do so. It comes to 12mb when I try to convert it using freeware. I think someone has a webm of this floating around, though.
if you can argue for hours about all the massive differences between ML with varying levels of respect to the other russian revolutionaries then you have to admit that is a pretty lazy position to take
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I don't have a problem with people who can substantiate theorists, I fucking have a problem with the autistic screeching Lenin threw at Makhno. I have a problem with people thinking these effete intellectuals have anything of substance to say, instead of looking at what they have right now and trying to make something of it. I have a problem with how intellectualized its become to just fucking talk about political issues like workers rights when it shouldn't be, it's fucking cancer.
I also have a problem with the opportunism revolution produces, in the midst of chaos you'll have parasites offering people solutions to their problems in exchange for their liberty and then proceed to enslave them. My problem with these intellectuals comes from the relationship between ignorant and gullible people, and their sophistry.
I don't think a revolution will ever work so long as people are chasing these fictitious ideals of a socialist revolution, and society.
If he can actually radicalize some liberals, more power to him.
Honestly it's not about suddenly springing up in revolutionary energy right now anyway, it's about building bases of power and support that are
1. democratically controlled
2. provide real leverage for workers at the local level
3. do not answer to the whims of established electoral politics/parties
The problem right now is there's a lot of leftist energy but no proper outlets for them, and some institutions have to be built up to take advantage of that or it's all for naught. That means leftists need to work to make those institutions in their own cities and form real and effective coalitions.
This was what I was trying to say essentially, we need to distance away from circlejerking theory garbage, and deal with economic issues that are actively fucking us over.
A comrade may be using the webm I made , I've contributed.
NOW WILL YOU LISTEN TO ME AND PLEASE CAN WE ORGANISE
is nice
and yes, am gomrade :D
thanks for making it
right, but while I'm in my city recruiting I can use some on-the-edge Chomsky-reading liberals who decide it's time to get off their asses and do something
Honestly man, you're sounding like those snotty Western historians who cry crocodile tears about those poor Russians oppressed by Bolshevik apostles of violence before praising the British Empire.
wew
I got "called out" as being a conspiracy theorist wackjob for crying cointelpro. I rarely mean it when I call it, but any speech within our community that divides and diminishes and hinders growth may has the same effect, even if it's coming from a genuine socialist who just goes full retard for one post.
It kinda is, yeah.
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are you implying that union membership and union influence is any where near what it was in labors heyday?
However, there doesn't seem to be anything in this argument saying such a militant labor movement would have to be associated with the already-existing unions. A militant labor movement is vague enough for me to get behind!
syndicalism failed. get over it
He's evil as fuck but you gotta admit he's pushing through his agenda rather quickly. Almost like a Kissinger 2.0. Now, the problem is, how can he be taken down?
there's already division in the republican party and intense public backlash