So is it already over for Overwatch?

You

Ubisoft.

Gays

How about Bethesda as a corporation when they release their next elder scrolls game?

Between this, Battleflop and TF2's decline, I think it's just Class-based shooters being on their way out. If only there was a way to make them great again.

What is the new hotness anyway? I wanna be sure to avoid it.

Killed as in "Nerfed to death" or killed as in "The story nobody cares about"?

TF2V

reroll

Do you think shit taste and normalfag attention spans can outlast low-functioning autistics and bronies? Team Fortress 2 will be around to bury Overwatch. It's just a matter of how long it takes.

Yeah it's not doing as well as I hoped. They need to pick up development on stuff. Balances and new content comes out way too slowly with little focus on the competitive side of things when there are eventually updates.

They've gotta stop pushing for the casual scene so hard or else it's gonna die.

Are there any statistics to look at?

TF2's decline was more related to Valve fucking things up royally and repeatedly than it was any tiring of the game. Up until Quickplay (and arguably allowing Pinion) its community was absolutely thriving.

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the jews

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Fuck you mayne I'm tired. Pls no bully

The United States.

The Rich Jews in the American Government

Blizzard fucked up their esports by getting rid of college level stuff, charging insane amounts for their competitive games, have no idea how to balance an game, and being always online.

Then for normalfags, nothing seems to get balanced in their favor. Some heros are completely broken at low level play and blizzard does nothing forever and when they do, it fucks over high level play and some new annoying meta shows up. Its also been tank meta forever.

Then, you have to deal with the frustratingly annoying matchmaking that seems to thinks matching you with worse and worse players means you might win if you get stuck on a losing streak. You also have to deal with an awful community. The lack of playing with the same people means you don't have to be nice to anyone, or learn to get better because matchmaking will slap you with a fresh group of players.

Blizzard also has done just about nothing with the setting they created. A comic gets thrown up once every few months, maybe a new voice line, a level, or a skin will have extra insight into the setting but nothing is really done with it. Overwatch needed a single player, or even a co-op mode. I had more fun with the Halloween event and the uprising event than the default PVP mode.

Blizzard has never really done well with PVP modes. They did well enough pre-WoW and then have been riding on their name rather than their games since.

I knew the actual esports was lost when i tried it and saw every player use an ultimate move at the same time.

Some anons are depressingly too young to remember Halo 2/3 esports MLG tournaments where it was a huge 'scandal' about something like "melee'ing while shooting a shotgun has a slightly faster animation and so we need to ban shotguns or ban melee". The level of 'fox only, no items, final destination' in esports shooters makes smogon look sane and well thought out.

How the fuck was something with the randomness of Mario Party meant to find an audience there?

I'm pretty sure Pokemon Go lasted longer than Overwatch did.

i've always hated the look of this game. i know other people who play it, but they tend to be weebs or stupid. or they're the kind of people who say things like REEEEEEEEE I LIKE IT, THEREFORE, IT'S FUN STOP CRITICIZING MY GAME OR I'LL BAN YOU/REPORT YOU/BLOCK YOU.

i don't see how anyone can watch most of the backstory videos for these characters and not think they're retarded. i suppose my weeb friend who plays this game doesn't mind schlock because he unironically likes naruto and dbz as they were shown on cartoon network. everyone else who claims they enjoy these trailers or whatever i think is lying to themselves.

i don't think it's a bad game. in fact, it looks like it has enough going for it that i'd call it mechanically solid. it's the community that is tearing it apart.

the fact is, blizzard doesn't respect your intelligence unless you have the mind of a child. they ripped off TF2 knowing full well what they were doing and imagined they could lay anime and other tropes on top of it and everyone would fall in love. i fell for WoW until a couple expansions ago…i think it was mists of pandaria that did me in…and there comes a time admitting you've been wasting your time on stupid shit will make you feel a lot better.

BOY, DO I HAVE A TALE FOR YOU ABOUT TODAY

When Ana was released she was like a mandatory pick on every single team for months. Orissa was played a decent amount though I don't think she's ever had the presence of any of the other tanks because she's just like a jack of all trades and doesn't bring anything stupid broken good to the table. Sombra yeah, she was dead on release and still is I'm pretty sure, and I don't think Doomfist is actually in the game yet, I think he's still just test server only.

The rest of that shit is dead on though, the post-launch support has been fucking abysmal and what the game really fucking needed, good new maps, it just didn't fucking get. In a full year of release it got what, Eichenwald and Oasis? One of which is trash and the other is completely forgettable. For comparison Rainbow Six Siege, a game by Ubisoft who is well known for letting their games just fucking die after release, got four maps in its first year released at a steady pace and way more work went into the design of each of those maps than what Overwatch got. The only thing Blizzard put any effort into post-launch is shitting out retarded sprays and voicelines and lazy recolor skins every couple months for holiday events, which accomplish nothing but burning people out grinding the exact same gameplay they've been grinding since release to try and get time limited shit they'll have stopped caring about the moment they have it, and doing damage control on their forums over how the grind for those shitty recolors is totally justified by the man hours behind them.

Nerfed his hook instakill combo. His damage output is the same, but he can't solo roam or reliably kill even 200 HP opponents at full health. So he's pretty much an ult sponge for the opposing team that requires a babysitter to kill off his hooks.

Yeah, I noticed some of my PSN friends moved from Overporn to Destiny. Weird.

Nintendo

Even being a total piece of shit, Overwatch has one redeeming quality: it isn't an MMO like it was initially planned to be.

The game is more or less built around using all your ults at the same time. A lot of them all synergize together really well. It feels like most ASSFAGGOTS are that way too.

Bring back RTS.

I think I get the first 2, but what are pics 3 and 4 supposed to be?

You fucking MORON
Now RTS won't be brought back because RTS is going to fucking DIE
RETARD

You can't kill what's already dead.

Zenimax
ES gets sold and becomes a open dungeon crawler and more complexity and better than Daggerfall.
Fallout get sold and becomes a proper RPG.

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Third pic: Someone threw a water bottle at the woman on the stage because the game was crashing and no one could really play.

Fourth Pic: Adjusting the thresholds for rewards because people couldn't play to meet said thresholds.

Pokemon Go Fest has been a shitshow.

I expected no less from pokemon go fans.

It's nowhere near dying mate, it's a casual shooter for retards, you will hear about it in 2027 trust me

The console market for Overwatch is a big game of pretend. Blizzard pretends to care about the console population the same even though PSN/XBL is s treated second fiddle in every way. They're even moving to try and ban mouse and keyboard last I checked.
The population who actually plays it on console pretends its 1:1 to the PC experience. They even demand the same support on the forums.
The top players on console all use mouse and keyboard and pretend its a budget PC experience.

The console market for Overwatch exists to be to be strip mined the same way it was for TF2 during the Orange Box days. Blizzard does a better job of stretching it out by actually pretending to care and throwing the dopes a bone every so often. Anyone who was worth a fuck skill wise moved to PC. Anyone who remains is deluding themselves.

this game will continue to be successful enough, but the esports scene will die out completely. the main issue with it being the spectator view is fucking terrible and people who don't already play the game a ton have no idea what is fucking happening because the game design is so hectic and shit

Successful because of Smurfs and Loot boxes

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The Beta and early launch were fun only because nobody gave a shit and everyone was overpowered.
When e-sports was being pushed and people were jerking around about the "meta" it started to die.

Paradox interactive.

me

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both you and the guy you're responding to are idiots.

Yeah also observed everyone around me dropping it.
After all it's way too slow in terms of updates for anything but cosmetics, every hero is learn-able in under 45 minutes to its peak it has TWO game modes and the Ranking system is comically bad so there isn't even a good "srs business match" going on.

Why me?

You suck at this.

The console cucks who bought it are probably going to get fucked because most blizzdrones are pcfags who make up the core of their fanbase.

The fact that you ask that question tells me you're not worth discussing it with. Have a nice day.

The fact that you replied tells me that you're probably a bitch with no argument. Have a nice day.

Ana's considered one of the best heroes in the game while Sombra is considered underpowered or underrated depending on who you ask. Orisa is the only one that is kind of "meh" while Doomfist is considered ridiculously fun to play. Not that Holla Forums would know, you lot didn't even bother talking about his release in the PTR.

I don't have ptr installed and I like orisa.

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Player Unknown Battlegrounds.

me

damn

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Do you autists really believe that battlefield flopped?

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Dumbfist was amazing fun when they released it on the PTR, so of course Blizzard proceeded to immediately nerf it into dust and the thing coming into the live game next week is an extremely underpowered and neutered mess that will die to anything and be considered a troll pick even in QP.
Enjoy your new Sombra

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Blizzard's "No Fun Allowed" policy when it comes to balance sure is making me regret buying this game.

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Overwatch is shit and has to die a slow and painful death

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Because of chivalry 2, which is overwatch 2.0

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You guys are fucking delusional.
Yes, Blizzard is trash, but let's not act like this shit isn't as popular as it's ever been.

It just makes you seem like crazy people

I have been playing less lately, for me it is the horrible balance in the mid to low ranks where the rocket queen and healslut dominate, season 1 Pharah required more skill and people cried "hitscans are countering me! please buff!" and now they say "lol, hitscans counter me, git gud" but the moment you consistently take them down they say "you must be cheating!" because they know their fucking combo is almost impossible to deal with alone.

You are right about ultimates, some of them are just too stupid and game changing in a certain way, not all are "press Q for wipe/reset" but very close.

Also, the ones that stay can't keep up with the amount of trolling and smurfing that Blizzard encourages, normalfags don't want to play against high skill players and said players enjoy smurfing to brag on their streams, meanwhile Blizzard says "smurfing is not a problem, they will adjust their MMR very fast", because, who cares about that wider audience you wanted anyway, right?

Too bad they don't buy shit and even those SJWs cry when something is not to their liking, like curvy Mei or gay Tracer (because "she is attractive") and shit like that.

Focusing on polished and balanced gameplay first is the key.

Nerfed into irrelevance, he was actually not a tank but a close range assassin with tons of health, they then tried to fix the hook and succeeded for the most part, but he was still a big meaty assassin, then they reduced his damage by 33% without reverting the hook nerfs because for some reason the OW team never reverts nerfs or buffs, they only add more on top.

They need to fire Jeff and Geoff.

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Ana was considered troll pick in season 1 since her dart was not very effective, her grenade was the best healing for a while but single target mostly, then they buffed the grenade and she enabled the tank meta but D.Va got nerfed in her place (after a buff no one asked for), Orisa was made to stop people to use Rein but then she got her damage reduced so she dies to a sneeze, her alt fire is unreliable if the enemy knows how to just move, Sombra, poor Sombra can't get a decent offensive buff because Geoff and Jeff think they can dictate what an offensive character is, she needs a better comms system in any case, Doomfist is on PTR and comes live next Tuesday I think but he is gotten nerfs already because Pharah is the only hero who is allowed to have vertical mobility.

And yet you are supposed to do some ult management but the best tactic in the end is to blow all them up at unison.

Nothing beyond scolding and saying "don't be mean and play fair people!" because they can't do shit about it in the end.

This.

Because who the fuck uses individual ELO style in a team game which also encourages to not switch heroes in a game about counter picking which also judges your skill rank by comparing an arbitrary number of stats among all players using the same hero on the same bracket and THEN decides to adjust based on a win or a loss?

HotS was a mess when Geoff was in charge of the balance, then they got rid of him and the game became playable for the most part, but guess who got Geoff added to the team after that? you know, Geoff "Defense Matrix to escort a Rip-Tire" Goodman.

It was fun for a month but my main concerns before launch were that it wouldn't have the depth or the meta to keep it afloat and turns out it didn't

feminism

Blizzard couldn't balance a cup on a table.

I'm sorry, Holla Forums

Blizzard

Mario Kart

The human species

Jews.

There is just nothing to do but collect sexy skins and posses for Widowmaker, and I already did all that. I'm almost at level 100 and I'm bored.

I am Lv600+ it doesn't get any better.

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The same can be applied to the multiplayer base of the watch_dogs series.

Watch underscore dogs has a multiplayer?

I have to agree, lots of streamers and pseudo-eCelebs tend to buy smurf accounts, is like saying Warframe has X million accounts registered, my account has to be one of them, I haven't played the game in like 3 years.

what

Don't forget Asian cheater banned accounts and their replacements.

Butcher ASSFAGGOTS

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Don't forget that blizzard lies about their player statistics

I believe the point he's trying to make is Watch_Dog's multiplayerbase can only ever increase. Watch_Dog's MP is deader than dead, but it (statistically speaking) has an ever-growing number of potential players because people keep buying it and letting it languish on their account.

In other words, total accounts ≠ total active players.

You clearly know little of the Blizzdrone sort if you think buying the game 5 times is anything odd for them

I see.

Not saying all, but a good amount, man, I play OW and I like it but we have to get real here.

Personally know a guy with four copies of Overwatch. His logic was that one account was for smurfing in ranked, one is for "serious" ranked, one is for fucking about and the other is a "guest" account for his friends.

People can be real fucking weird.

seriously, wtf

But then you'd have to buy 10 times as many lootboxes so that each account has the rarest and best seasonal skins. Not even fucking joking, he's spent a couple hundred getting duplicates of the same skins across all four accounts. We're no longer friends.

Pretty sure he meant Battleborn, not Battlefield 1.

It's because the game is repetitive, has little substance, few maps that are also pretty linear, and has no mods or dedicated servers.

I hate summer so much, I really do. This shit is Holla Forums tier shitposting.

Just because you don't play the piece of shit doesn't mean millions of others don't. It's like how people on this board are saying that the Nintendo Switch is a failure when it's selling like fucking crazy.
No one gives a shit about the truth and the numbers behind shit, they just spin their little narrative because they want to believe it and so do others so they don't bother fucking researching whether it's true or not.
Don't take this as a defense of Overwatch. No matter how bad it is, Blizzard knows how to keep shit alive and profitable, looking at Heroes of the Storm and WoW. OW is simple to a fault and that's only gonna make it last longer. It's sold over 30 million copies, yet you think because it goes on sale a year after release that it's the beginning of the end?
I do think the e-sports aspect is a laughing stock and that shit will not make it since it's just a shitfest funded by Blizzard.

Ana had a 100% pick rate and had no counters for almost half a year, its the rest of the characters nobody cared about cause they sucked.

Formicide.

If you like Worms/Teeworlds/Soldat/TF2 then you should try Formicide.

I know a guy that has 7 smurf accounts for CS:GO, I wouldn't be surprised if there are similar people in Overwatch.

hahahah fuck no

Naughty Dog

I know of a guy who bought around 7 accounts as well, because he would try and play long enough to get prime, but then he would run into a hacker, and try to HvH with public hacks. He's been banned on every account so far.

Kill Steam

YES

yeah but no one actually likes playing ana, she was just op

RIP GABEN
HEART ATTACK SOON

oh fug

THANK CHRIST

(You)

Hahaha, yes.
YES.

Oh fug.

do it

Trips aren't dubs.

RTS rebirth confirmed

STEAM ANNOUNCES HALF LIFE 3, DDOSING STEAM ON LAUNCH DAY. DESTROYING IT FOR GOOD

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Don't forget the cross promotion with Twitch Prime.

RTS ALREADY IS DEAD, YOU FOOL

but now its corpse is ashes

Maybe making a game that literally caters to sjws is a completely bad idea.

It's like HoTS all over again. Blizzard never learned from the mistake they made with Heroes of the Shitstorm: Focusing on esports instead of the game being playable and fun. Balance is ass, maps aren't fun, and matchmaking was absolute shit. To add insult to injury, all of the character lines in HoTS were really cringeowrthy to hear. They didn't fix anything with HoTS 2.0; they just added fucking loot boxes instead of fixing shit like stealth heroes being some of the most fucking broken characters in the game.

Wow has been losing subs since WoD, and Legion isn't any better. It might be worse than WoD because it killed so many raid guilds. HoTS was always shit from day one, and no one out of fanboys took that shit moba seriously.

Dota players have all kinds of Smurf accounts, and that game is dropping like a fly too.

Kill yourself.

What are you too stupid to understand?

Not to mention heroes that multiply and are virtually a guaranteed gangrape in 1v1 situations.

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Wrong. Trips are dubs twice.

RTS ain't dead yet.

In this year alone you got Cossacks 3, Battlefleet Gothic and Steel Battalion.

Bannerlord and Total Warham 2 are coming out as well.

Total Warham 1 also comes out last year.

But of course DoW3 sucks so RTS is dead durrr.

Is it time to just reinstall the team fortress mod for quake where it all started? Does anyone even play team fortress classic anymore?

Supreme Commander, Forged Alliance Forever. AKA Supcom FAF.

overwatch fucking sucks dicks

its decent by itself but it does have flaws.
kinda of glad i haven't done my placements yet hate having to play 7 games a week to fucking keep my rank waiting till near the end of the season to get my masters/gm rank points.

More like Supcom FNAF

This, fuck grinding to just keep your rank. As soon as I hit diamond whether it's after climbing out of plat again or straight from placements I just ignore ranked play.

That makes more sense.

Do you know what a comma is?

SAD

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The other class-based shooters of the month were designed to tie into e-sports, which preemptively killed any fun that would have come naturally. TF2 has the fun , but a mixture of sportsfags pushing for everything to be balanced and sterile, and Valve's jewish schemes and murdering drop-in servers is turning people away.

user, it's not even a girl

The gameplay is just so fucking boring. I don't know what it is, but I legitimately cannot sit in a game of OW for more than an hour at absolute most. Meanwhile when I start up TF2 I end up playing for 3 hours or more at a time

How the fuck did Blizzard fuck up this bad? What is it about OW that makes it so fucking unplayable? Is it the shallow as fuck characters? Is it the lack of social-spaces in favor of fast-paced gameplay? Is it the god-awful match-making system for casual mode? Is it the profanity filter that's enabled by default? It's just so fucking bad

It already got killed by Switch.

All they have to do is set up another "whoa these gamers sure are mad! teehee"-type marketing scheme to get people talking about it again. Except even then people are slowly starting to notice this tactic after it's been used with every "nerd" movie/game/show for the past few years.

TF2 being a community driven game has left it with tons of content, maps, gamemodes that all require different gameplay and thinking, and skill groups.

It is a genuinely fun game if you know where to go based on how you're feeling in a particular session.

But OW is designed to be super srs all the time, casual is nothing more than comp without consequence but the people are just as shitty. Comp itself is full of smurfs or people who don't take the game seriously at all

You have no proof.

I can spot a trap from a thousand paces user.

/board

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It's because it's designed from the ground up to be an e-sports game. That means almost nothing can be fun or the slightest bit unfair, otherwise it's not "tournament legal". Meanwhile, TF2 supports custom models, maps, animations and sounds, and has tons of different weird weapons that keep the game fun. It's also worth mentioning that most OW characters are archetypes or "just like X", whereas TF2 has it's own unique style and comedy.

So your friend or ex-friend bought 4 full priced of the same game and possibly the bundle depending on his advanced level of retarded logic for those reasons alone? Holy shit that's horrifying.

This exactly. In my case it's the high-risk, high-reward & low-risk, high-reward design that just makes me question why I'm ever playing it. It's the definition of unrewarding.

and yet a lot of stuff is very unfair and rewards low skill floor.

because you paid for it, I am in the same situation, I don't feel I have gotten my money's worth from OW.

I was thinking of something like the kritzkreig or the sandvich when I typed that. Crits would never be a thing in OW because it would be "unfair", and Roadhog's heal is like a tournament legal version of the sandvich. TF2 gets away with these things because it's a fun game first and competitive ready second.

This is how EVERY multiplayer game SHOULD BE designed. Make it fun first, and then let the autists come up with ways to turn it into a "competitive" game. Smash Bros. is a good example

it's not close to dying yet. player falloff happens with every game. for it to have lasted longer than a year before this started happening is actually kinda impressive in the current climate. i think the players who played it "flavor of the month" style quit by now and the remaining players will probably stick to it (maybe not religiously but they'll still return to it now and then).

Is there proof that the game is losing players? I dont see it shutting down forever ever for 10 years.

The only reason people are still playing it is because they already wasted money on it and they want to get their money's worth in as much as possible. There is an autistic as fuck community sticking to it but that's to be expected. The game itself is anything but timeless though and I expect it to age like chese

no. i just enjoy playing it now and then. of course, i only play a select few classes that i find fun.

Indeed, Tf2 is one those games in which I never raged like the avgn
Mario Party 1-8 is what Super Smash wants to be.

Oh, still, OW has lots of retarded shit, for starters the aimbot ultimates and resurrection is the worst offender, punishing people for actually playing well (not accounting for ult management which is usually pointless.)

The only way to have fun in OW is to stop giving a fuck and go offensive Torb and piss both sides off and even then it's boring as fuck

OW would be more flexible if healing wasn't so overpowered.

And you didn't have unlimited fucking ammo for everything

Yes, that's true, even for in-game mechanics devs refuse to adjust D.Va because she has no reload time, but stuff like that should use overheat, and yes, limited ammo should be a thing even if you can get some from fallen enemies and small packs or something.

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Is it really over for overwatch if it has more players than battleborn and evolve and lawbreakers combined?

ana was the strongest hero in the game for a long ass time.
if your gonna shit on overwatch at least use some real facts.

Having more players than a series of complete flops isn't exactly an accomplishment. I bet Quake 3 has more players than any of those games too

Ana was the only character that came out after release that wasn't completely useless, Sombra is getting close to be useable. Blizzard don't know how the fuck to balance anything, they will completely ignore the new characters so they can continue to be useless while nerfing Roadhog again and again until he is an actual paraplegic rolling around in a wheelchair in game.

Yeah, servers not working, 20ticks, and retarded hitboxes were such a fantastic launch

Actual multibillionaires who own actual sports teams are funding new teams

SC was all Korean, and WC3 at launch was a joke with its RNG drops, it was only thanks to Chinese and Koreans that it became a semblance of a competitive game

What about paladins?

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Not to mention the constant cries for D.Va's blood now, one can only imagine what will happen if they take defense matrix away too.

:^)

Teams are centralized like Riot did?

It's not a surprise that people want her to get nerfed into the dirt.

Don't care enough about this shit game to know, wouldn't surprise me if it was so however.

She is a very squishy tank with that huge critbox on her mech, DM has a cooldown so you can bait her and the only real advantage she has is her synergy with dive comp right now.

I half expected Notch to be on the list.

You rang?

Thanks for reminding me

Are slow in the head? Trips are 1.5 dubs.

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Overwatch is still fine.
Fuck off with this defeatist bullshit.

Sure, and many groups (TSM, Cloud9, etc.) who actually give a shit about video games, are being snubbed because they don't have enough money to buy their way into ownership and representation.

I'd never heard of embed related before the last Overcuck thread we had, but apparently he's been covering this stuff for years; regardless, he provides plenty of evidence and articulates his points well. There may be an initial surge of outside money (which isn't healthy; a video game shouldn't be sustained by people who don't play video games), but the best possible outcome is something like Street Fighter V where esports organizations are desperately trying to Weekend at Bernie's it while anybody who likes fighting games has left to play Guilty Gear or Blazblue because the games aren't actively insulting them.

IT'S OVER, MARK

Speed up movement speed 50%

Reduce hitscan spread by 75%

Increase McCree's damage to 50 at long range

Voila, you've just made the game competitive and the classes shackled most by the shitty mechanics, hit scan, will now carry the team in the hands of a pro

She can't do shit when shes out of her mech and most of the time her ult is so low that it would be faster for her to suicide then to wait for the ult charge. I just legit ignore DVA most of the time when shes out of her mech cause she so little of a threat it would be a waste of time to chase her down.

I mean, I doubt those guys got together one day and said 'hey, we should totally start an overwatch tournament by owning a team each', so yeah, don't see how it wouldn't be centralized.

SFV is still the biggest fighting game.
Actual people who play BB hate it because it's pretty much at the worst state of balance it has been in since CT

Too bad Blizzard doesn't want McCree to snipe squishies.

By what fucking metric?

People finally got tired and are still waiting for SSFV.

By tournament participants, prize pool, number of tournaments, and viewers.

You know, the numbers that actually matter.

I honestly cannot wait for Canada Cup to have USFIV. Once a big tournament spits in the eye of God, it's fair game for anyone to follow. I'm sure USFIV will be cancer at this point, but at least it'll be interactive cancer.

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Funny you mention that, capcom's going to release a 'SSFV' with all the DLCs bundled together.

Unless it's been known, I only heard it yesterday.

Guess that explains

Oh blizzard.

Not a surprise but I didn't hear it.

Why adding extra input lag?

Flies are attracted to shit. Will you claim MKX is the best fighting game ever made because it sold so well?
This number does not matter.
Define "tournament." The GGXrd community tournaments and exhibition matches hosted by MDesilva do more positive work for the community than any celebrity whoring Capcom buys.
Shit, I guess Melee is the best game ever made, then, because it consistently pulled in more viewers than SFV did through all of 2016.

You're conveniently ignoring the dearth of content the game had at launch and still has a year and a half later.

Oh, do you really not know? You poor sweet child.

So retarded it hurts, filtered

why are you acting like sales numbers dont matter aftr posting some faggot's twitter with SFV sales numbers?

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Why does a fighting game fag have an ROTK character as an avatar? And Kongming of all people?

Christ, I love seeing autistic takedowns of shitty games like this.
Give me more.

Most people who play fighting games do it because they enjoy it, not because they are winning money. It is a luxury of the hardcore, and not indicative of the health of a game.
Define "tournament," then. How big does a tournament have to be in order to count? What do you have to say about SFV losing half its entrants from EVO to EVO?
Define "community," then. Sorry if we're using different terms, but I don't consider ESPN viewers to be part of the FGC.

I should have been more clear. What I meant to say is that you can't draw direct comparisons between a game's sales and its overall quality of design since most sales for fighting games come from the casual audience. MKX sold well because it has a lot of single-player content and a lot of wacky movie crossover characters. SFV sold poorly because it had almost no single-player content.

Both games have big problems with their design (MKX has draconican DLC policies and it had an awful PC launch, SFV is a glorified 50/50 simulator played while Capcom randomly shoots the nerf gun), but the single player content is ultimately what made many people buy them.

Are slow in the head?

I am no fighting game expert but I know that input lag makes the game less about reflexes and more about leading which basically translate to floaty combat in general.

The prize pool can be artificially inflated by sponsors like Red Bull, who have DLC with their name on it. More money doesn't always mean more interest.
People will train for tournaments if they know said tournament has a high payout.
Starting tournaments only requires setups, a venue and advertising, all of which is probably easy for Capcom to acquire.
Some people will watch just for players, who may not even want to be there for the game itself. There's also people who put on streams just for background noise, so there's no guarantee that the viewer is actually paying attention to the game.
SFV is popular because Capcom wants it to be, and because Street Fighter is one of the most well known brands out there. It's not because SFV is actually a good game.

That last point is why SC2 and SF5 sucked shit. Unsurprisingly, OW is the same. A sterile, bland, uninspired, uninvolved, and completely passionless gameplay/community doesn't breed healthy competition. Who would've thought?

As someone who actually plays the game, I can explain this pretty well. The biggest problem facing overwatch, both for casual and pro play, basically boils down to slow updating.

Over the first year, Blizzard has only released 3 heroes and 2 maps (the third map came after the anniversary). Not that maps are an issue, many competitive games like CS have even fewer official maps, but the slow hero progression and slow balance changes lead to a very stagnant meta. The last two seasons have been dominated by a single meta, with 4 core heroes exceeding 95% pick rates each. Rather than shake things up they are going for very small changes and still keeping their slow release schedule, where one hero simply can't change things quickly enough. The game gets boring when it's the same thing all the time without care for map or attack/defense.

The other problem is how Blizzard has handled esports outside of the game itself. They make it hard for upstart leagues to exist, which ultimately means when the big ones fade and fail there's nothing to replace them. Now all their eggs are in the contenders basket, which is a really bad idea.

Horizon Lunar Colony is the least shitty of the game's maps so far in terms of design, it still has the horrible spawn placement in point B but it at least got rid of the whole "single chokepoint" approach.

Funny, because HLC is the shittiest map yet in terms of balance. As it turns out the single choke approach is exactly what the game needs on order for defenders to have a snowballs chance in hell.

The irony, Defense heroes need a major rework in that case.

Defense heroes need a rework anyway, they aren't strong enough to counter mobility heroes even with a good choke. Instead the game devolves into dive vs dive where defense heroes are ALL F-tier. Of course, even if they fixed that they still need that chokepoint to do anything.

I hate SFV as much as the next man but holy shit you're pathetic

OwO now there's an image I saw a decade ago

That's been like a known thing for a long time, people sometimes bitch about Torbjorn and Mei but in the end everyone just uses the same offense heroes on defense because Pharah and Soldier are pretty much just strictly better than Junkrat and Bastion assuming your opponents aren't actual preschoolers.

I think I've found the problem…

Why do faggots cry about slow updates being OW's downfall? Hell, the first meaningful update for TF2 came out half a year after release and I played gravelpit almost exclusively during that time.

OW is just a shit game

Why haven't you killed yourself yet?

Ir allow DEF heroes to excel at halting mobility heroes.

Yep, one of two very big problems in the game.

The small teams probably have something to do with it, since the game is built for 5v5, and the bunch of faggots responsible for the horrors of modern tf2 still had 1 more player on each team.

Genji and Tracer are pretty much better than absolutely everything right now. Pharah and Soldier are the second-tier subs.

Stale meta. Honestly I don't know why people never cried about TF2's stale pro meta, which I don't think ever changed after release. Maybe it's because no one gives a shit about TF2's pro scene and the casual mode is such a grab bag of different rules and styles that the meta doesn't matter to everyone else.

Overwatch exists in a structured environment where everyone pretty much plays the same game rather than 90% goofing off (except arcade). This is most notable by the fact the game is strictly 6v6 in all the main modes. That pro level meta stagnation has a much bigger impact on the lower levels of play in this instance.

If you played the game then you'd know.
The thing with pro meta at the time was that if you pretended TF2 was competitive in any way, you were laughed out, no exceptions

Hell, it took them how many years to decide whether it should be 5v5 or 6v6 or whatever?

I'd settle for an answer to that and nothing else, frankly.

Blizzard doesn't want McCree to do anything because giving accurate hitscan in this game strength raises the skill cap, turning it from ult based shooter to skill based

And god fucking forbid we insert skill into a game where 90% of fights are decided by ults

*6v6 actually, Paladins is 5v5.

I assume is 6v6 on TF2 meta right? otherwise 9v9 highlander would be always the meta comp and the only variable is positioning.

Precisely, that's why Pharah dominates low ranks right now and their mains are so scared of her getting a nerf they even preemptively go on their YT channels and say she is completely fair and balanced because she is only good at low levels (read: from the middle down), so even with some skill only 4 of the 25 heroes can INTERACT with her, let alone be a counter.

Why is pharah bad at higher level? People can land hits?

I never played outside of casual, which while occasionally fun, was never anything but a clusterfuck of retarded lemmings. Overwatch is infinitely better than that, stale meta, trolls and all. I'm never going pro, but I like to at least pretend to have a serious game when I play.

Torb is one of the most brutal characters you can have on your team in the hands of a pro

As long as your team helps to prevent your turret from being cheap killed by some junkrat etc hiding around a corner a torb can hold off most 6v6 his DPS is so high

His left click and right click are 6th and 2nd highest DPS in the game, yet everyone doesn't know how to set up his turret or when to sit on it let alone when to left click or right click

8/10 someone's going to bite

overcucks go home

Holy shit, people paid for this?

Because if people see a Pharah at high level they instantly switch off their hanzo/genji/tracers to Zenyatta/Ana/Soldiers/Widows to knock the bitch out instantly

Yeah, but the real kicker is that the "pros" only play 5cp. Payload is out, CTF is out, Payload Race is out, KotH is out, Attack/Defend cp is out, absolutely everything is out. This would be cancerous enough, but the default (and remember, Valve knows best so you can't mod it :^) way for 5cp to work is for the timer to rest to 10:00 every time a point changes hands. The "shot clock" is 10 fucking minutes, constantly.

The wonderful thing about TF2 (UncleDane did a video on this, which I found very interesting) is that if you don't pay the Optimal Meta Team of 2 soldiers, 2 scouts, 1 medic, 1 demo, and just have a 6v6 mode, it's fine. I really cannot fathom why the competitive community is so autistic they can't accept prolander (6v6, max 1 of each class) as the standard, or at least accept Badwater as a good map.

If this is what passes for exciting engie play in Overwatch, I shudder to imagine what overfags consider typical sentry babysitting.
Webm for comparison to TF2.

What rank are you in comp cause I can tell you even torb on defense at a high rank is almost impossible. You go Torb against a good team and next thing you know you got Winstons D.VAs and Tracers diving the shit out of you, Torb may be good but he is to easily counter able.

Technically yes, but aside from that Pharah is fundamentally not versatile enough in dive meta, in essence aiming is very important, so snipers are really good at higher levels, aside from that Pharah in lower levels is 50% trash damage and harassing and 50% direct hits (2 direct hits kill her counters), not to mention at lower levels Pharah is pocketed by Mercy, rendering good hitscans almost useless during a long fight.

Even then, people recall the developers stating they don't want the lower levels being dominated by a select few heroes yet they still don't address Pharah, something similar happened to Ana, the real problem with her is the grenade due to burst healing and the anti-heal effect, but the developers instead nerfed her offensive damage to discourage Ana snipers which were also one big Phara and PharMercy deterrent (3 shots for a kill without giving up a healer/dps slot.)

They still do events every 2 months with exclusive skins and new game modes, but I think the loot box's jewish tendency to give you duplicates instead of new items is turning people off more than anything. Also you don't hear about it because you get all your news from Holla Forums and everyone here hates the game. Fucking retard.

I like playing Torb but he pales in comparison to the engineer, I really wish Blizzard would take some elements of the engineer and apply him to Torb to make him more flexible, like putting something in like the rescue ranger.

you faggots get babied though? What other group gets posts that make fun of their shit game deleted you retard?

Nah that torb video was pretty shit. I've used him on offense in capture the flag and destroyed people way more impressively than that. You can't rely on the turret, it's more of a distraction. Torb's main gun is pretty devastating if you can aim good and you should be running around shooting people yourself while the turret funnels them to you.

Some guy last month played Torb as an experiment in comp and he got all the way to GM with zero issues, torbs DPS output is just that high

As long as your team works as a TEAM Torb is the best anti-dive character you can have ATM, he just puts out so much raw firepower

The closer you get to torb the quicker he will fuck you up, he's a reaper and hanzo with more DPS and range ability

Sweet logic dickhead

It has insane tracking though, is at least 3 times faster than a TF2 sentry.

Man, even OW has 2/3 modes in ranked, I think the more "even" are usually KotH and the more cancerous is 2cp.

Torb is not supposed to babysit his sentry since he needs to stay around the action to collect scrap to give away armor, a babysitting Torb is usually what people think of when they say you are troll picking.

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Paladins>>>>Pozwatch
Try and prove me wrong.

They took a break, I think is almost 2 months without a new event, next one is a repeat of the first one, the loot box system has been modified, you get less dupes but also you have more chances of just getting currency (currently on PTR, probably live with Doomfist.)

Sweet logic you retarded faggot

they're both shit

I'm going to assume you are talking about Soldier, McCree, Widow, and Ana. You are wrong anyway, but I just wanted to clear up where (I think) you are starting from. Obviously you forgot Bastion (or maybe you meant bastion and forgot Ana)

The thing is, the best character against Pharah hands down is DVa. DVa denies Pharah any kills with defense matrix, and can fly up and harass or finish pharah when necessary. After that, Tracer, Sombra, and Zenyatta all have great impact against Pharah. While it takes a pretty good Zen to actually hit her more than occasionally, the discord orb melts her against any of the others. Tracer and Sombra have shorter range than soldier, but they make up for it with maneuverability, striking Pharah from odd angles where she can't immediately take cover. Lastly, Winston can do about 120 damage to Pharah any time he feels like jumping at her. Naturally with the current (near 100% pro pick) meta comp being Winston, DVa and Tracer, Pharah can have a pretty hard time.

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That isn't saying much, I also played Paladins and it has the most retarded hitboxes in all games so far, worse than TF2 and worse than OW.

Exactly, 99% of Torbs don't know how to play Torb

But same could be said of 99% of players for every other character in the game, people not playing up to their strengths

Torb is the best anti-dive in the game ATM, but nobody wants to figure out how to use him

what are you fuckin talking about, it's still retardedly popular with normalfags.

It has zero tracking. If you are within range, it hits you, and you cannot avoid it because it is hitscan.

Yeah, it's fucked. I never though the people I played with on the pony servers would somehow be more open to variant game modes than pro players, while still actually giving a shit when it was a normal game.

Isn't running around blasting people with a shotgun what scouts do?
Why would you give a turret, an obvious defensive piece of kit, to an offense-based character archetype?
Moreover, why would you make the character's turret so un-threatening compared to the character?
This is a monumental failure of mechanical character design.

Oh yeah, that shit game doesn't even have fall damage does it? Thanks for reminding me.

Ana's nerf basically took her out of the list, her dps is 60/sec, Mercy's healing is 60/sec.

D.Va would be wonderful if she had more airtime but she alone can't keep up with Pharah if the map is quite big.

I thought you meant falloff for a moment, yeah, fall damage is absent, I would understand it on mechanical heroes but not living things.

Torb has no DPS falloff, same with all projectile classes, even his turret has no falloff

If you can land your shots he is 6th highest DPS with left click and 2nd highest with right click

Ohoho man, I play offensive Torb all the time. not only is it no impressive, it's still shit. Torb is about as unrewarding as any other character and his play consists almost exclusively of ult management. I really fucking hate this game

Oh, so that's what you meant about turning speed, well yeah, maybe it would be more balanced with actual turning speed and more damage.

Blizzard is too lazy to implement even verticality in Overwatch, let alone actual physics mechanics.

The point of DVa is to give everyone else space. She can't really kill pharah except to finish her off, but carefully managing DM gives around 20 seconds of engagement before the Pharah gets any value at all, during which time Pharah's team should be completely dead, especially if they are running Pharah+Mercy so DVa is effectively shutting down 2 heroes at once.

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I just wish my teammates capitalized on that every time.

solid choice user.

D.Va is like Mei, she's not meant to take out everyone by herself like an Orisa could, she's meant to cause chaos and distortion by flying around and forcing flankers to stop flanking, and her ult causes everyone to further get the fuck out of dodge

Without ults the games are decided by DPS, but most people are too retarded to take Soldier/Zenyatta/Junkrat and instead stick with low DPS classes trying to save up their ult meter to try and get a team wipe (Looking at you Genji/Reaper)

Your team mates running in as soon as they see a friendly Mei/D.Va/Zenyatta/Lucio ult?

Not in fucking overwatch, I played 6 matches tonight where people wouldn't even stand on the point/cart because they were afraid of dying

making an esports game with a low skill ceiling = death

ASSFAGGOTS like LoL and DOTA2 seems to be doing okay?

Whatever DVa is MEANT to do, her current job is to right click everything just before it kills your team. Basically she plays like a Mercy, except instead of healing damage she prevents it. Everything else in her kit is secondary.

I hope you're comfy user, because you're going to be waiting for a long while.

I can flex for the most part, except for Mercy, she is completely unrewarding, TF2 Medic requires more skill and has a better kit even without the ability to fly (at least as far as I recall before I quit, which was before the whole competitive mode revamp came), I have been the one taking risks a lot of the time when there is a cancerous defense and people keep ignoring alternate routes and blind spots in favor of the main route in whatever game mode you could think of.

I'd settle for an answer to that and nothing else, frankly.

Thanks for responding to yourself, I had to filtered and almost missed out on pointing to other people how retarded you are.

Back to being filtered you are.

Yeah, I fucking bought this pile of shit so of course I'm going to try and enjoy it, all I can do now is to advise people to NEVER BUY IT it's a waste of money for many, many reasons

The open beta and dozens of people pointing out how shit the game was wasn't enough for you huh?

A friend bought this for me and it was a nonstop dissapointment and I was making fun of my friends all the time for playing it until they were like "Just try it, you'll love it!"
Spoiler: I didn't
It was so restrictive playing this game. I couldn't play who I wanted because "It would mess with the team comp" and "This mode doesn't allow it" and it's all we fucking played.
And when you're playing a character you don't like, one you're not familiar with because your friends are shoving you into matches because they can't let their precious XP train go, you end up doing completely terrible and winning is a rare event. But it's even worse when you queue solo because everyone is a shit player but they don't think they are and that everyone else around them is a problem. I know I'm shit and I'm willing to admit it, but holy shit these people.
Each mode felt the same, it didn't matter if it was a point capture or payload it felt the same every time. All the cosmetics were locked behind a paywall

Why do you keep posting these vids ? Is that considered impressive in overwatch ?
Or are you just another overcuck who thinks leftclicks and banging on a turret is skill ?

I just want something to replace the FPS hole that Halo left me. Maybe once I get my computer, I can play the online game thing. Meanwhile, I'll probably trade in my Overwatch copy towards something not completely shit.

How do you trade in OW copies?

Unless… you play FPS on … consoles?

Just fucking do it, unless they overhaul this game to the point it is a literal clone of TF2 then theres no point in playing it. There are tons of much better games on console right now that you can get a better experience from than this. It's a fucking MOBA

Please don't compare this shit to TF2, TF2 was fun at some point in time.

Thats what I'm saying, unless this game becomes a literal clone then it's fucking shit because at least in TF2 you can get creative

Gee I wonder why it's bleeding people.

Shitposting aside, the game IS catered towards SJWs.

,>making a character a tranny

And then there's the fanbase on tumblr. It's as bad as the tumblr fallout fanbase with the genderfluid deathclaws holy shit.

I'm ashamed of myself

Wait which one's a tranny?

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DotA 2's skill ceiling was not that low, but it's declining.

LoL's e-sports scene is completely fake. Bought and paid for by Tencent. The only reason LoL e-sports is a thing is because Tencent pumps so much money in it so they can claim LoL is a serious competitive e-sports game, so you have pro players jumping ship to LoL for the $$$ and lower skill ceiling.

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Oh I remember. I always screamed that it was a feature, not a bug.

God I feel old

wat

Same, user.

excuse me?

Quickly, how much of your hair is graying?

Now, how much of it would be graying if it wasn't for Just For Men?

Shit, don't even joke about that. I actually started noticing gray hair and it's depressing.

OW is like neither of those, and more like a slice of processed american cheddar left in the open on a hot and humid day

Now that you mention it, I am 36, not many gray hairs but I recall having them after I was 20ish or less.

Literally every tank besides Roadkill or another D.va can completely nullify this shit ult
On top of that her damage is not only dogshit but has bizarre falloff making it worthless at any range bigger than 10mm, her critbox is HUGE and DM lasts for 4 seconds regardless of damage taken.
The only reason she's used at all it's because she can delete ults

MKX is surprisingly solid. I pirated it expecting cheesy trash and instead got what's easily the best MK game so far, gameplay-wise.
Still far from the real top dogs like GG, KoF and VF, but also a hella lot more engaging than bullshit like Tekken.

THIS, honestly I don't know what people want D.Va to do if they nerf DM, what needs to get changed are DEF heroes and basically stop telling people they are playing the wrong way (ie, bully D.Va is too much, Sombra is not an assassin, Ana is not a DPS, etc.)

Except no because blizzard doesn't understand hitboxes so tracer can one clip him, reaper can one shot him, and D.va kills him in half a second.

Did the game change that much?

No, Reaper still one shots every squishy and rapes tanks like they are barely there. If anything he's much stronger now with his new health drain passive. He's probably trying to take down Pharahs from 10 miles away like a fucking retard and wondering why he isn't doing 666 damage

The only correct way to play TF2 right now other than TF2V is going on 10x servers and using hilarious custom maps. Otherwise the game is deader than dead.

It's kind of obvious he's retarded when he suggests people should be taking Junkrat, or that Genji is only useful for his ult. Hell, dive meta isn't even about ults really. The core dive comp is Winston, DVa, Genji, Tracer, Lucio, Zenyatta. Of those only Genji has a decent ult at all, but since you aren't playing Genji+Ana it rarely gets more than one or two kills.

The point of dive is to jump on a target with enough instant focus that there's nothing they can do but die. Pick the right target and the enemy team falls apart and can't fight back. The only answer now is to dive them harder. Since you can't actually fight the divers fast enough to stop them you instead trade out by doing the same thing to them.

I find truly amusing to see all these retards condemning the game while at the same time claiming Reaper is a low dps or seeing that other braindead ape going about his epic torb montages on fucking Quick Play.
This turd has so many legit flaws to criticize and these clowns go out of their way to pick the most retarded angles possible while showing what absolute shitters they are

The guy who said reaper has a low dps was retarded enough to buy this shit game like you, you missed abortion

Sorry pal you have zero room to call anyone out here

Sorry pal you have zero room to call anyone out here

Go to bed gramps, you are senile

Go to bed kid, your mother may have failed to abort you but you can always prove her wrong.

You are pathetic

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The point is not that you spent a large amount of money, but that you gave money to a triple A company, whos known for making garbage, for a game you most likely knew was mediocre at best.

Damn dude, two for three with the shills' sad defenses for shit games. Your next line is "The game is really only fun if you queue with friends. You do have friends, don't you?"

That would be a good point if I paid full price for this, but 20 bucks is literally nothing

No I think this game is shit in every level, good job missing the point of everything you kneejerking spastic

Reaper is only effective at point blank, any team worth its salt will never let reaper get anywhere near that close, hence his DPS is incredibly low overall

There is a reason Soldier/Junkrat/Torb/Sombra/Tracers top damage scoreboards, they can reach out and engage somebody quickly and constantly for high damage, and considering the tank dive meta ATM it's amazing more people don't take them to counter dives

Dives are not unstoppable, a Zenyatta with a Soldier/Sombra babysitter can rip the face off a Winston/D.Va in less than a second, the reason dives are the "Meta" is they try to dive a squishy target

Other ways to easily counter dives:

Torb + Orisa: Orisa Shields and Torb cleans up any Winston stupid enough to try to land right on the turret, Orisa's gun adding enough DPS's to melt anything that tries to go past

Junkrat + Zenyatta: Junkrats insane burst DPS and Zenyatta's discord will kill a dive comp before it can blink

Reaper + Sombra: Reapers ability to be a brawler at close range which is what his strength is along with Sombra's high DPS and hacking the D.VA every time she lands so she's unable to do anything nullifies the dive each and every time

Bastion + Torb: Torb engages at point blank circling the enemies and goes right at the D.Va, Bastion melting the Winston before he can blink while turret covers Bastions blind spots for any Tracers/Genjis

Reinhardt + Zarya: Reinhardt blocks against the Dive why Zarya steps out for a second to get a 100% charge and engages, when her bubble goes down she instantly bubbles Rein and they both engage, Dive is instantly dead.

Add in a single Pharah who does nothing by stays away from the encounter the entire match to shoot their backside at all times where they can't defend because they can't kill a flying target that far away because then D.Va and Winston would have to waste all their cooldowns just to engage her, thus taking away their ability to dive further, there is plenty of ways to kill dives as long as people work together

Oh, and Genji is only useful for their ult, which isn't saying much because a lot of classes in this game are only the most useful for their ult like D.Va and Mei

Genji is useful for his ability to instantly close and do >100 damage. Combined with Winston, the two are able to kill any 200hp hero instantly. Winston Leap+Punch for 75, Genji right click + Swift strike for 134 even without headshots. Add in a Discord Orb and a touch of winston's gun and Genji doesn't even have to land all three shurikens. Then Swift strike resets and most of that damage was cleaving anyway, so any other squishy targets die very shortly after.

it only became popular to begin with because of the porn.

Keep telling yourself that.

It's popular because it's Blizzard. It's polished as hell and it fills a niche that was DESPERATELY in need of filling.

Genji is a paper doll with more than one DPS source on him, and literally every one of those combo's will kill him in less than half a second

It's 6v6, 2 characters can counter dives, the rest can mop up straglers in seconds, hell last year in comp before Orisa's shield buff the top teams were going Orisa + Torb to shut down dives, so much so that they started putting Torb + Orisa way at the back of objectives which forced dives to overextend making them useless because then they'd get slammed by DPS from the side by the other 4 players

So far the only way to combat anti-dives is Sombra/Orisa/Junkrat, which dives refuse to play because they insist "Dive is the meta" and won't look outside the box because Dive DPS is far too low and can't be sustained

Every combination I listed is being used in top GM play to stop dives because they work on nullifying the two tanks large HP pools in seconds which allows everyone else to mop up the remains

It was doomed from the begining.
You make a game then you try to make it into an esport, not the other way around.
If you make it as a esport it will be shit and boring for the average player, so people will drop it, since lack of content(esports don't need much content in a game), balance is balanced around the highest skill cap(so many heros are pointless in lower skill levels(IE ANA)), since the main playerbase is leaving since no content, esports players drop it since it has too small of an audience.

Content isn't even a problem. There's plenty of maps and more than enough heroes (substitute heroes for weapons/loadouts depending on the game) for any multiplayer shooter. The problem is more about the balance of those heroes, limiting what can be chosen to basically the same team and the same strategy on every map at all times. That's the problem with the game itself, and I wouldn't really blame "esports" for that.

They've also been pretty stupid about how they've handled the esports community itself. I'd like to say more about that but it's not something I have much knowledge of.

I should clarify, because there's a lot of complaining that they need to release more heroes faster, which is absolutely true. The reason though isn't because the game needs more heroes, specifically. The reason they need to be released faster is just to shake things up. The same could probably be done with major balance patches as well, but that means nerfs which means pissing a lot of people off.

Sombra is probably the best character that was added to the game period, in a game all about ults the ability to turn ults off is game breaking

Sombra is too weak to be game changing like that. She's effective in certain circumstances, and actually gets used in pro dive comps on 2CP maps (especially Anubis), but not enough to change the meta and be used everywhere. Even that took 4 to 6 months to figure out how to use her and to get her buffed to a workable level.

What they need to do is release 3 heroes at once. The chaos from that is about the only way to shake things up enough.

Sombra has more survivability than tracer does and far more utility, plus the ability at will to go to the enemies back line with a simple toss of a teleporter, and if the enemy see's it they have to decide if she is going to teleport or not, which further removes the ability for the healers to engage in the battle, plus her ability to rip through tanks is second to none as while tracer has more burst, sombra has far higher damage per magazine, so much so she does 480dmg with just bodyshots wiith a full mag which only takes 3 seconds

Add to the fact that she can hack every health pack in the area, and said hacked health packs when used by your team actually give you huge chunks of ult which removes the enemies ability to do, well, anything when ulted makes her ability to control the battlefield as strong as Torb does

Again most people don't know how to use Sombra, a good sombra is worth way more than a good tracer/Genji will ever bring to the team simply because

Kill Hearthstone so Kripparrian finally commits suicide.

Dont fret.

When Im your age, Im going to have a lame thinning spot near my hair swirl.

Lel, does he actually play Overwatch?
I want to believe it, but I also don't.
Polite sage

Yup. Nova had a clone and stealth at the same time, so if you knew how to use both abilities, you were pretty much unstoppable even if they "nerfed" her (Murky was the only one that got really hurt with nerfs during HoTS time because he damn near ruined the game during the Alpha. I know from testing the game during the Alpha, and having to put up with that little faggot).

No one out of fanboys would have given two fucks about SocialJusticeWatch if it wasn't for the porn. Let's be honest about this Sjw-pandering shit game here.

The irony is how DVa works better as a bully tank like the original was meant to be and she doesn't have any balance issues like people claimed in OW, the 1v6 thing was a myth blown out of proportion and only perpetrated by Ana's powerful heal back then.

I bought the game and played a good amount. It's a pretty shit game.

Can't get out of gold rank.
got placed into plat when I first started playing ranked which was second season
really enjoyed playing with other plats.
ever since 3rd season I've been gold
constantly get golds or silvers when dps.
constantly get gold healing when ana and have a dart hit of 9 per 10min.
abuse D.va's brokenness
I constantly go 50/50

I hate this game, I just want to play with people who are as good as me.
I can't help but feel like the game labeled me as a gold carry and It keeps me in there so that they have a good player to play with

at least in TF2 it ranked me properly, even if it was through face.it.

Working as intended :^)
–Jeff Kaplan

I understand going 50/50 in plat
but not in gold

The system is made so you go 50/50 regardless of rank, you don't want to make some people feeling bad for losing that much.

Every fucking casual on the planet who thinks they can play real video games would have flocked to it anyway.