When give a choice of elves in vidya what kinda elf do you prefer?

I quite liked the elves in disciples 2 where they were an infighting mix of high elves and wood elves.

Pro-elf is anti-human

>>>/cuteboys/

nope, no idea who he is
There is blood feud with dwarves, and there is elven loathing toward orcs. Both are common knowledge.

I prefer racialist/nationalist elves in a contemporary setting.

I love all kinds of elves

High Elves, especially when they're Tolkein-style Aryan superhumans instead of DnD treehippy ones.

Jap elves are also good because they're cute

That depends.

She's not an elf though, she's just Finnish. They're all like that.

Whatever makes my dick the hardest.

I hear you.

Elves make best waifus.

Augh. I clicked it.

Yes

I am torn.

Elves are great. They make for good waifu. But what about your children? By necessity, they will be half-breed mongrels. The idea of deliberately putting such abominations on the earth fills me with a complicated feeling.

Don't even care about what kind as long as they aren't tree-humping hippies who can't shut up about muh ecology and muh forests. It's why dorfs>elves.

A dorf will invite you to his home that he skillfully cut out of solid rock, sits you by a cozy fireplace, and treats you to a mug of good beer while telling you funny stories about how he got wasted and mistook a circus midget for his wife.

An elf will invite you to his "home" that is really just a weird hole in the tree, completely unfurnished because "lol can't harm the tree", sits you on the ground next to a pile of squirrel shit, and treats you to whatever roots and berries he found growing around yesterday while telling you about how humans are bad, how dwarven axes trigger him, and how he's been having pains sitting down lately due to the stick shoved up his ass.

Make this happen then.

If it has elves, I'm playing something else.

As expected of the gay community

The only good elf is a dead elf.

Dead elves are best elves

What's funny is that it was artwork for the Dragon Crown Elf. Nothing deserving cuteboy treatment.

1) of getting anally ravaged
2) of getting cut to size at the knees
in drunken haze.

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get lots of children, then your children wont ever be alone.

I must admit I am not man enough to sire the (hundreds of) thousands of half-breeds required for them to make their own sustainable civilization. No matter how many I pump out, they'll only ever be at-ease around family, or blissfully infrequent encounters with their own kind.

Should Man and Elf relations be forever childless? Should The Powers That Be subsidize/allow a ghetto for half-elves in major cities?

There's your answer right there.

even if you aren't just find some other elf/man couples to make a small village with and pump out as many as you can. dont have to be an entire city just a house and maybe a small potato farm.
Besides humans are happier when they dont live in a city anyway.

Human men are able to have kids well into their 50s-60s, but human women are infertile before then. I'm assuming elves, due to their longer lifespan, have an age range where they can safely have kids that lasts for a hundred years or more. Think of all the kids you could put into an elf girl if you start when you're 20 and stop when you're 50. You could start your own village at that point.

What about inbreeding?

Why do archers always have thick thighs.

To create contrast with the giant bow you usually look at first in an archer design.
Also because it looks good.

Because the archer archtype equates to super agile parkour god on steroids.

Though I like the idea, finding likeminded couples would be exceedingly difficult. You'd be quite lucky to find even one. Certainly not enough to populate an area. This isn't the internet age man. You can't just hit up some shitty site to coordinate.

Furthermore, as the aging parents die out, how would you maintain proper genetic diversity between the new half-elven demographic? Unless you had a massive starting base of Man/Elf relations, there simply wouldn't be enough Helves around to sustain civilization without eventual rampant inbreeding. Would you welcome foreigners, regardless of stock?

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well shit just get more than 1 female elf. then you'll have plenty. Maybe you should just tell your sons to find a woman and bring her back, not the easiest but it might work for a few of them.

Alternatively you can just wait until you cant get it up anymore and then invite some guy you like to fuck your daughters. Eventually it will work out.

Marrying an elf would be great because she'd be young until you die.

What would be the chances she starts cheating on you once you hit 60?
That wouldn't happen in 2d, but still.

A dead elf!

THE DEAD ELVES

video games

Much lower then a human, the temptation wouldn't be that great as they'd only have to wait a short time (for them) for you to die.

Elves are an honorary species, only jews and niggers hate them

Would they not have any sort of magic that slows aging?

The lewd kind.

i prefer clown space elves

Remember to properly discipline your knife-eared cocksleeves.

And who will cry bitter tears at your grave once you have withered away and died from old age

If you have kids in your 50s and 60s they might be autistic

Thats only if the female is old. But since its a elf and she stays young, I doubt it.

how horrible

What happens if I'm 50 and autistic?

There is a moderate correlation between older men having children and the likelihood of the children having autism.

Child will have DOUBLE AUTISM.

Harold?

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Is there a game where it lets you marry an elf?

kek

Nah, elf purness will cleanse the sperm then and make pure children.

therunefactory.wikia.com/wiki/Margaret

I'm sure there are many. like Skyrim kek

Slav/balt elves engaging in constant tribal warfare with lots of warcrimes and ethnic cleansings, like magical Yugoslav wars that NEVER end.

i like when elfs are bros like Legolas, any other bro elves?

That story hit me in the feels.

More likely some VN like the one from this thread: >>>/hgg/73081

Formal marriage would be nice, but still not something to lose sleep over.

In the Tolkien universe elves mate for life, meaning when you die your elvish wife will feel the pain of your death like it's the day you died every day for the rest of eternity. Actual human-elf pairings have only happened like 3 times in the entire history of middle earth (Idril and Tuor, Beren and Lúthien, and Árwen and Aragorn), and in one of them the valar felt so bad for the elf lady they brought the human back to life and made them both mortal. Also half elves have to choose between becoming an elf or a man after a while, 'half elves' as a race don't really exist, for example Elrond Half-elven became and elf, but his brother Elros decided to become a man, and was the first king of Númenor.

Glad you like it. I somehow get a rise out of writing bittersweet stuff like that.

Interesting, and did Elros began the lineage that eventually led to Aragorn?

The conflict was pretty good. As well as the untold implications from her father.

Yes, Aragorn is Árwen's first cousin like 50+ generations removed. Aragorn is the chieftain of the Dúnedain, which makes him descended from the kings of Arnor and Gondor (they split after Isildur's death), who were descended from the kings of Númenor, the first of which was Elros.

Whose idea was it for elves to have ridiculously long lifespans anyway?

JRR Tolkien, I'd imagine.

They originally were more akin to fantastic natural spirits, never really alive in the first place.

That's what I surmised. But I thought I'd make sure.

Just end this world already tbh.

I seriously wish that Live with a Slave could have an alternate ending that would allow you to treat Silvie like your daughteru rather than to turn her into a cock-addict.

Turning her into your waifu isn't so bad though, user.

Agreed. What bothers me is that you basically take her in when her mind is broken, heal her little broken heart, but then go straight ahead to re-break her mind (complete with drugs and everything) to turn her into a complete cockslave who proverbially rapes you if you don't give her the D for a few days.

But you don't HAVE to drug her up or anything. You can just keep treating her like a princess if you want.

whatever type you can rape

While that's not bad per se, I would also prefer if there were no drugs involved and her cockthirst were heavily toned down. It was still a great game regardless, but you lose all the parental feels the game invokes in you when her feelings of being unable to live without you morph into being unable to live without your dick. It's an important distinction.

Not to imply that there can't be sex though, but just normal loving sex.

Context?

Even if she does become addicted to your cock, she still clearly loves you with every bit of her heart. And you can still treat her well, even while giving her a regular deep dicking. So I wouldn't feel too bad about it.

P

busty

うっぽて！

No, fuck that. Cock addicted sluts are super ultra mega turbo miracle gross. Especially if they're supposed to be a daughter figure.

Unfortunately the game opens out extremely quickly if you don't lewd her, plus you miss about half of the entire content.

I could live with that as well.

It's one thing to be loved by an innocent, cute little girl, and another thing entirely to be "loved" by an animal whose entire mind is limited to wanting to be fucked by you 24/7.

Titty elves are great but lithe and slender is even better

High elves, of course.

nothing better than mind breaking smug elves into your submissive slut addicted to your 10 inch cock.

T-ten inch?

yes
I know what you're trying to do

with tits and a cock

i changed my mind, elves are best when they're teamed up with a futa orcs.

good choice, futa elves are best adventure bros

orcfag pls go

This is not the thread for you

nothing better than a busty futa elf companion who gets awkward boners from time to time

I like where this thread is going.

french elves are great too

All things considered, this thread is rather tame. As to Elves, as long as they're attractive, have two tits, a pussy and a pulse, I'll happily go diving in.

In other words futa and shitting dick nipples are A-OK, I hear ya user.

Well the thread was fun while it lasted

is that a challenge ?

spoilered for extreme lewd

don't worry i'm not gonna post anymore orcs, don't want this thread to die

Of course you have to go and run it for me.

Challenge? I don't need to challenge anything. It'll happen on its own, given time.

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Don't be a fucking retard. Of course you're not just going to have one dumb elf waifu. After you burn their tree city down, you acquire an entire elven harem. Then, most of the offspring are just half siblings, and can reproduce more or less with impunity.

sick bastard

Or never mortal in the first place. Like all nature spirits, elves were basically low-tier gods. Even Tolkien's work kind of retains that, though 99% of derivative works ignore their divine origins and just make them long-eared humans with long lives.

Elder Scrolls elves, interestingly, are a pretty interesting hybrid of modern elves and older interpretations, up to and including "dwarves" just being one type of elf.

The the environmentalism vs industrialism overtones soar over your head?

I'm still pissed that Bethesda forgot that Dwemer armor was just supposed to be bits of centurions that people fashioned into armor, as the Dwemer rarely fought, themselves, instead preferring using their machines to do the fighting for them.

It makes more sense for the armor to be that way. But I'm not surprised that they would disregard lore like that.

Easy. I like fat elves.

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im honestly kind of pissed

The Elf that will love me most.

All elves are Aryan.
Skin color does not equal race.
Álfheimr is the homeworld of the elves.

Behold the original source material on the subject of Elves: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_cosmology

I like choosing the fairy the most, though the opportunity to choose one for anything is super rare. Barring that, cute aryan elf would be the best choice.

Faeries are truly the best.
I want to be a Fairy Queen.

Me as the fairy trying to take a nap.

My favorite ones are the dead ones..

Necrophile please go.

What do you think of space elves?

I didn't mean it in a sexual way user.

I LIKE MY ELVES LIKE I LIKE MY AUTOCRATS

NAZI

srsly tho one day i'm going to convince a cosplayer to dress up as a nazi elf and fuck her senseless

Even better than regular elves.

Nip law says that assholes are fine to show as long as there's no penetration. Fucking weird, I know.

Tolkien. And not just long lifespan, but outright timeless. Men bear the curse of death, they might prolong their lives by being High, Noble and Pure (like Númenóreans and Hobbits) but still eventually die of old age.

That elf specifically.

Tolkien took and expanded upon (because much was lost) pre-Christian Germanic (and some Celtic) tradition. Many derivative works (modern fantasy) do the same and borrow from Tolkien's work.

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Except that they only copy D&D's version that were (poorly) copied from Tolkien.

holy shit man the Noldor did everything wrong.

Banner of the Stars is my favorite anime space opera after the epic that is LOGH. It has a completely different feel, given that it follows mostly one human's sojourn as the man servant of an Abh (elf) Princess. That in both BOS and LOGH eugenics is a major theme is interesting.

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Poster confirmed for brainwashed by Sauron. Mortality is the Gift of Men given by Eru Ilúvatar.

High elves.

I'm a dorf guy though, so I always choose dorf unless the dorf is hilariously gimped.

Someone needs to explain this.

Its just a horny girl in a cartoon, user.

Yet she has a sniper rifle.

All options sound like the bitter untermensch perception/strawman of elves. Self-hatred and sexual perversion have combined to warp the concept of a fair and intelligent race into a bunch of pretentious elitists who need to be dragged down to "everyone else's" level. This is spiritual judaism.

No, she IS a rifle. This is an important difference.

Humor me with an explanation.

Nevermind, I looked it up.

nice double dubs, they're good shots, their technomagic is pretty, and their living mechs spook me

Dynamic Archers>Static Archers

I hold a special love/hate relationship with those French elves.

Spoiler that disgusting abomination. Let me guess, you would even turn fairies into winged sacks of lard, right?

Good. Now people won't have to spoonfeed you in the future.

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Dead Elves

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ERUFU

So what kind of ero is it. Does the imouto just draw tender sibling love or far from it.

The sister cannot even draw ochinchins. She just draws cute girls in panties.

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I don't know what the author was thinking, trying to make a LN series about the love between a man and his little sister, but then immediately introducing a vastly superior girl to the her.

Like shit, man. This is the 2nd damn time he's done this. Will he make a series after Eromanga-sensei, also about incest, and finally get it right? They do say that the third times the charm after all.

She's too weird.and only a wannabe elf.

But playing music naked in the forest is definitive of female elves.

I want to be a small cute blonde elf girl who looks young forever.

You don't waltz around naked in your own house? Fucking pleb.

Elf may a bit brazen for a nipponese, but she's a good girl. Not weird at all. Vastly superior to Sagiri, at the very least. But maybe not Megumin.

I want that but as a fairy.

But then you'd literally die if someone tried to put a dick in you. No thanks.

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That's assuming stretching magic/body isn't available; even then there's always bodyjobs.

I need this.

Get out, knife-eared scum. Human supremacy is the only truth.

That's not a dark elf, that's a tanned whatever-elf.

Pic related is a dark elf.

That sounds oddly appealing. Do you want that, too?

Pleb

What the fuck do you mean? This thread is about elves.

Elves are shit anyway.

I meant that pre-Tolkien elfs and pre-Shakespeare faeries are better

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Drow are the worst dark elves, though.

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Not having your fairy pussy penetrated by a cute blonde elf's clitoral glans… pleb.

Disgusting, stay away from me. Vaginas are abominations and cock is the only truth.

So she's a lesbian. Are they all lesbians?

Fairy yuri is a miracle.

DEAD ELVES

That's fucking gross. If I would have wanted bigger fairies, I'd still want them boner worthy.

None of them are lesbians, they all want MC's cock. And in Elf's case, a ring.

They still have their fans.

Why are fairies so adorable?

eat a dick nigger. they're sexy, slaver, assholes, that worship a spider god and are surrounded by eldritch horrors. this makes them the best elves in dnd and pozzfinder

They're stupid, edgy, matriarchal gits is what they are.

humans you fucking cucks

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They're smug sluts that need a good dicking

they're still a lot better then the magic mary sue's and tree fuckboy's

Dunmers are the best Dark Elves, period. Actually Dunmers are the best Elves outside of Tolkien.

i'll give you the dunmer are better dark elves, mainly because of dunmer lore and religion, aside from that they're basically drow 2.0

They're edgy magic mary sues, instead.

How?

Divinely inspired taste.

they're slaver asshole elves, that are surrounded by strange monsters

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That is a very small detail of the Dunmer, though, and not even the defining trait of the Drow.

Agreed, those drow sluts can fuck off

I don't recall marriage for the game (in general), but you can date Sylphy in Avalon Code if you're playing as Yumil. She starts out as a bitch and doesn't like that her father Georg treats the humans of Rhoan (where he is mayor) well, but eventually warms up to the protagonist.

Thanks for the recommendations anons.
I will gladly take responsibility now

The kind thats a boy and I have my dick in

I like my elves dead

Apart from the ones already posted, what games have a fairy that is either playable, a companion of your character/party, or can be romanced?

Aryan Human x Aryan Elf is obviously the only acceptable race-mixing, and even then there can be issues, for instance, the difference in life span.

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Gayness overload.

You mean the dindus that cant do shit without fake gods?

Chocolate elves are great but blueberry elves are sorely underrated

A certain pipsqueak voiced by Cosma Shiva Hagen in the original German release of some hack&slash lite titled Legend: Hand of God.
She is an interactive 3D cursor, a chatterbox companion and a light source at the same time. She also has some importance for the game story, especially in its finale.

It's never gay if it's an elf.

I want to fuck Marcille.

There aren't nigger elves, if you ignore orcs, so the racial composition of elven partner is not an issue whatsoever.

Who is her in the pic?

It's like picking a flavour of ice cream

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if only they actually looked like this

gujira does shota, it's a dude

Figures. If not /ss/, not a chance I saw that hentai.

Even if it's you being screwed?

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The Dunmer are not enslaved, mind, body and soul by a demon goddess. Lolth owns the Drow. They are cursed.

Have one.

She has strange proportions in the game. Legs comprising more than a half of her height.

Even the followers of Eilistraee?

Give me the big tiddy elf that needs semen to recharge her elven magic.

I guess any elf that just looks like an acceptable semen deposit. Discard after use.

I could go for that

Surely a superior being such as yourself would not sully oneself by fraternizing with elvenkind, would you?

Know thy enemy. And sometimes you need some very in depth knowledge.

4th Dimensional Machine Elves best elf.

I pick whoever has the biggest tirts

Do Xenos count?

Sword elves.

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I don't need to be spoon fed. It's just when I'm curious about something I want to hear some fucked up explanation from anons to humor my depression.

Annnnd I wanna fuck that smug drow and jizz in her ale for added flavor.

He was baiting. Would you call these midgets elves?

I used to be on the "elves are horrible trash" train and hated elves but they are so cute. Especially cute *elf boys*

you'll never have sex though

I like elves most when they are fucking dead.

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In what games can I rape and **mindbreak* an elf?

Or preferably a fairy

Fucked up the spoiler but the question still stands.

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Every time

It's actually quite comfortable knowing you're not a semen gargling fag. You should try it.

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Hardly a surprise.

spartareport.com/2017/06/what-if-the-refugees-were-orcs/

Almost like they're a plague or something.

not gay if it's an elf

Isn't that pedo anyway, considering their lifespan?

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A thin and tall person who happens to have longer ears, an affinity for archery, and some connection to magic. No game portrays elves as just normal people. They all have this cookie cutter personality, and all elves fit in that personality which is fucking retarded.

that is the true form of elves and other fairfolkenn

I will take those midgets for better stories

i'm ok with fugging and marrying a two hundred year old little boy

Just stop it

You won't find any

hi daddy

They prefer the term 'handsome young men'.

Thanks to a certain manga I'm starting to like fat elves.

she's very fat, she probably has the sexiest looking analcrust ever

elven breeding sows are top tier

Yes they are

Stop pretending. As it is, literally anything that walks on two legs is in your strike zone. That can't be true.

Probably because you're a faggot

not every thing, i don't like bara. i do like, lolis, shota, futa/newhalf, femboy, fit girls, plump girls, milfs, hairy girls, anthro/feral horse and dragon, piss enemas, gangbangs, maledom, happy sex, and lots of cum.

yeah, Noldor a shit.

Webm very related.

I would say cocksleeves but I have no interest in procreating with elves.

You're like a jew - believing you are a perfect and gods chosen, despite being defective.

I prefer High Elves, since they're the most fun to slaughter.
Smug bastards.

Otherwise, no elves is best elves.

Fuck off mate.

If Tolkien had never come around we all would call them elves.

It's time to suck on my spear

That's a succubus (male), not an elf

That artist draws very oddly but I still have read and fapped to all of his shota elf mangas dozens of times. Maybe it's because they're so shiny? I don't know.

Wouldn't it be called an incubus instead? Also that artist is basically drawing a loli with a penis and marbles attached to it. Try covering it with your fingers while fapping with the other and wonder if you're actually fapping to a guy in drags.

I think I know why

Male succubi are called typically called "incubuses".

Incubuses fuck women. Succubuses get fucked by men.

Is that all that separates the two? I thought it was gender, though I guess that makes sense in a way. Demonic entities that feed on the souls of men or women, after all.

Incubuses are totally different. One telltale sign of a succubus (male) and an incubus is the feminine penis and the boypsusy.

Telltale difference, I mean. It's late, hm.

They can appear however they want, there's even old stories about a succubus extracting a man's cum then turning into an incubus and using it to impregnate a woman.

If you're a Anglo peasant! Elves and Fairies are not the same thing.

Fags are mentally deficient

At least with superior senses, like keen hearing and sight. Admittedly the good sense of smell is a disadvantage around unwashed lesser races.

I have noticed the horns, but I was curious about the character. My curiosity is sated already.

Not to mention the innate affinity to magic.

Perhaps so, but these come at notable costs.
Elves are not as tough or as strong as humans.
There's a reason humans are looked to as the "default". It's because we excel in all fields, only falling short of those who excel in just the one, at cost to others.

Where a knife-ear can see out far away, and move quickly, but suffers the lack of strength and stamina, the human can see far enough, and move fast enough, while still being strong enough, and having enough stamina.

Incidentally, I always hated how 'endurance' isn't a bigger thing for humans. In nature, that's our no.1 trait. We can run for ages, don't require much sleep, and can survive the loss of more than half our body. Admittedly, the last one has a lot to do with modern medical technology, but it is impressive nonetheless.

half elves are only half human and never half dwarf, dark elves are not always just sluts, I perfer soviet paranoid backstabbing matriarchal bdsm sluts for dark elves. high elves are not aryans they are elves and elf is the lowliest race of mortal

Humans just fuck anything. Half-human is the default for that reason.
It isn't that dwarves can't fuck an elf, or make a half-baby, it's just that it happens next to never, and meanwhile, humans are churning out so many, they might as well be their own race.

Let this be a lesson, if you yield on hating elves you will become a faggot

In ranged combat being in the second place is never good enough. Preemptive strike on an unaware opponent is the best tactic.

In real-world infantry engagements, the number one trait you must have is endurance.
Being able to move around is wonderful.
You know what's better?
Not having to rest, so as to keep on moving.
Surprise attacks only work when they start. After that, you're up shit creek. You act as though you win wars in the first engagement. Wars are a slugfest, a boxing match, where no matter how hard you hit in the first run, if you can't last, you're dead.

Besides, if we're talking ranged combat, kobolds are the best. Fast, plus a fair ways tougher than an elf, as well as lower-profile, and they're excellent trap makers and diggers. Unlike elves, they also aren't a bunch of hoighty faggots who cry whenever they get a little dirty. Pretty much the perfect soldier. Only thing they lack is raw strength, but for modern stuff, that isn't half as big a deal. 'Specially when you have the ability to make just about anywhere you go a deathtrap fortress.

With numerical disadvantage mass battles are less effective to hit-and-run tactics, especially if targeting supply lines . And I guess a magically gifted species like elves has some good tricks to compensate for lacking in endurance. Equipment enchanted to be lighter, being able to move at night, and fatigue removing spells for example.

That doesn't help your case, mate. You can't mount effective hit-and-run tactics without the capability to get away, and you aren't going to get away no matter how fast you are, if you keep having to rest.
Hell, for that matter, you'll have a hard time mounting an actually damaging hit-and-run campaign when you keep having to rest.

If you've got to use magic to overcome a shortfall, you've got one extremely bad shortfall, mate.
While elves have to waste valuable spells to keep their guys awake, and energized, not to mention having to enchant their equipment to be lighter, humans get to do none of that shit. They get to use their spells for actually helpful shit, or for emergencies and healing. They get to enchant their equipment to actually be functional, to protect them or to boost their vision.
If you've got to sell your strength to make up for your weakness, you haven't got a strength.

Virtually all elves can cast some simple cantrips and long-lasting enchantments are usually prepared beforehand, so the burden is not that high as you describe. And a magical talent is a rarity even among human nobles, so that "actuually helpful shit" doesn't amount to much.

*actually

And I forgot to add that magic can be also used to facilitate communication and gathering intelligence on the enemy movement. That alone can be a deciding factor.

source?

No. There's plenty of human mages. In fact, the raw numbers typically oughtweighs elves, by simple virtue of there's a stupid amount of humans everywhere. Depends entirely on your setting, I suppose, but humans are typically right in the mid-ground of magic capabilities, as they are for literally everything else. While there's usually more elf mages per capita, humanity still holds a large amount.
Besides, when talking military-wise, everyone's going to field mages. There's literally no reason not to field a mage in a squad. Even dwarves, of whom are like to have the lowest per-capita number of mages, will field mages. You've got to have at minimum one per squad. Mages are the equivalent of a multi-tool. Everyone is going to have one, just in case they need it.

Long-lasting enchantments to improve stamina are long-lasting enchantments you've wasted on that, what could've been used on something else.
As for cantrips, there's not many I can think of that'd help endurance or stamina. Of the ones I can think of, they require concentration. Enjoy the wasted concentration slot.

While true, we're talking a modern setting where radios are a thing. For intelligence on enemy movement that wouldn't be better suited by technology, you'd need something along the lines of scrying, which is fairly high-end, and usually requires some kind of connection with the target, be it a bit of hair or whathaveyou. Only other thing I can think would be an advantage would be some kind of life-vision type spell, which'd be easily met with simple thermals.

And of course none of this'll matter much when your enemy keeps on moving. Knowing where he was., while you've got to take a nap before attacking, isn't going to help you. Of course, this still leaves all the other issues I've mentioned, after contact, anyway. And all this is with the limitation to guerilla warfare, for whatever reason. Guerilla warfare is a means to weaken an enemy who's, effectively, already won. If you've got to rely on guerilla warfare, you're up shit creek as is. The idea behind it is basically make the enemy decide it costs to much, or weaken them to the point where you can mount an actual war.

Radio messages can be intercepted, falsified or jammed. And there is a difference between one mage per squad that has to conserve his power for requests from the leadership and personal use spells employed by every soldier (why would you conscript any magic-deficient elf in the first place?)

A spell to break down lactic acid in muscles can be cast periodically, no need to keep that as sustained spell that requires concentration.

Objectively, yes.

List biological and mesaurable traits of humans and elves. Elves win. They are the aryian ubermensch while humans are untermensch.

Or are you incapable of concieving anything better then humans existing, even in fantasy? That is a dellusion.

Yes. But that's rare. Radio tech is not so lackluster that anyone can just pick up a box and listen in. Besides that, that's what codewords and phrases are for. Hearing that the enemy intends to "football" the "alpha 1" doesn't help you much.
Jamming tends to hurt you as much as the enemy, and requires heavy equipment, which is fairly easily tracked down thanks to simple triangulation. Considering you were talking guerilla warfare, this is an incredibly horrible idea.

I said "at least". As in, dwarves, the weakest magically race, will always have one.
Additionally, I never said jack shit about "conserving power for requests from leadership".
Besides, once more, there's a fairly large difference between having that capability, and having to spend it all on fucking endurance boosts.

Probably because mages have a lot of drawbacks, class wise. Unless you're doing some multiclassing, in which case you're loosing boosts to the respective role you've multiclassed from.
Though, for myself, I'd want most my soldier types to probably be bards, paladins, or similar. Some level of magic access, while still gaining a fairly large number of physical boosts.

I've not heard of such a spell. Are we going full headcannon, here, or what?
Because if so, there's not much point in an argument. I mean, you can just say magic can do more or less anything, and be done with it. Especially since this is supposed to be a cantrip, given how stupidly powerful that'd be. Cantrips, after all, are able to be cast with no limitations on much of anything beyond the time to cast. It's why concentration is a thing, on most all the boost type spells.

Are we going with any predetermined setting? In a setting with science on a level comparable to real world, I guess the approach to magic would also be more systematic too.You know what produces the muscle pain, right? It's not so outlandish to expect invention of various magic spells that affect the chemical composition in general, is it?

Reminder:

The question in that regard is more what level of ability is required. But to even start getting near the realm of that, we have to actually define what magic is, how it works, what it can do, and how it does what it does.
Honestly, that's part of why I always liked the Eragon series's take on magic. Shit in a lot of the other ways, but the magic was pretty well explained, and made for a lot of possibilities, as well as a fair balance.
In that, everything you could do with magic'd take the same amount of 'energy' as actually doing the thing, but you could manipulate things in creative ways so as to minimize the amount of energy required. Would work perfectly well for instances like you suggest, actually. The only limit on what you could do was your knowledge and how you apply it, to the point that it was possible to pull gold from the dirt around you enough that you could make a ring from it.

Now, for that setting, elves were completely and totally broken. Literally a 'perfect' race, to the point that many found it creepy.

That depends on the setting. Elves often don't have any weakneses, and in other settings, like D&D, the weakneses are pretty insignificant. (-1 to endurance? Pffft.)

- very long life or immortal
- affinity to magic (in many setting humans CANNOT do magic at all)
- superior agility/reflexes
- superior vision/hearing
- NO HAMBEASTS
- elven women don't have to shave

Remember that all the jews and their tricks, the nogs and their nigging, the braindead liberals and feminist hambeasts - they are all HUMAN

You sound like one of the those faggots who praises inferiority as a virtue. Like running into battle without armor proves how much of a MAN you are and how big a balls you have. Also, how small of a brain you have.

You praise endurance as the greatest trait, because that's the only trait you can think off that humans have in which they are superior (in some settings), while at the same down downplaying the dozen traits elves have.
Common sense and logic have long vacated the barren wasteland that is your brain.

Magic is an advantage. Even assuming (a big if) that elves have to use magic to compensate for their endurance, being able to cast more powerful or twice as many magics makes your point moot.
An elf will have armor enchated to a far higher degree.
A human will enchant his armor to augment his vision? Well ,elves already have better vision, so they will instead enchant armor to increase their speed even more, or burn anyone who touches them. See how easily your argument is turned against you?

You cannot even argue in good faith.

Good for you.
A setting in which humans have medicore mages will spell doom for humans if magic i powerful.

If elves have 100 mages that can cast lvl10 spells, and humans have 2, humans may as well surrender.
TimeStop + Meteor Shower + Cloudkill or whatever.
Even not counting direct damage spells, mages can do some scary shit - like preparing a miasma that spreads sickens among humans.
You find your army of high endurance humans puking out their guts, the sickness sapping all of their strength.

Again, you have yet to demonstrate that the elves endurance weakness is debilitating enough to require compensating AND that other elven advantages cannot adequately compensate.

Simply told, elves have far more advantages that disadvantages even in the worst cases.

True, but even in LoTR and similar, they're typically depicted as lacking physical strength and endurance of, say, a dwarf.
Though, usually, humans are pretty much the same, I admit.

Personally I find immortality to be a shortfall. It encourages stagnation. Look at elven civilization. In nearly every setting, it's on the decline, and they're always smaller in number and reach vs humanity.

Read next time, faggot.

I praise endurance because in the real world that's the number one trait of humanity.
In the majority of settings, humans don't get a boost to that. Instead, we get a balance, which does have its own advantages.
I only downplay elf endurance and magical affinity, because that tosser was making the argument that they can just use magic to cover the cost of the lack of stamina, thus wasting magical potential. Once again, you'd know this if you actually fucking read my posts.

No, being able to cast twice as many magics or more powerful magics mean that they're forced to meet human standards thanks to having wasted their shit to boost their endurance.
That was my entire argument. I've already addressed this above several times. Again, you'd know this if you actually took the time to read my posts.

An elf has to waste enchantments for endurance. Again, this was explained in the post, if only you were capable of reading.
It wasn't an argument of "humans can enchant their shit", it was an argument of "Elves have to enchant their shit to make up a shortcoming, humans do not, so they can put other enchantments on it".

And you can't even read, mate. I'm really not inclined to take someone who actively strawmans as hard as you do's take on "good faith".

This literally assumes that elves have 100 mages to every 2 humans have. Yeah, no shit they might as well surrender, elves are fucking broken.
Inaccurate in the majority of settings, though. The reverse is usually the case, simply because humans are usually the ones literally everywhere in massive numbers.
Per capita, yes, elves have more mages. Though I had argued they do not have so drastically more. I sure as hell wasn't expecting someone to pull some autismal number of '100 to every 2 humans have'. Seriously, we're just in 'NUH UH MY SHIELD OF INVINCIBILITY CAN'T BE PENETRATED' here. What's the fucking point if you aren't going to at least aim for something sensible?

As I've already argued in posts you've refused to read, for military engagements, endurance is key. Endurance means you can continue to fight. If the enemy must rest, they cannot fight. Elf advantages thus far have been listed as magical potential, and agility, with the magic potential having to be used to boost elf endurance, which basically means they're back to human level magic capacity, since they're having to boost their endurance all the time.

Seriously, man, if you aren't even going to bother to read, why post?
What's the fucking point? What do you gain from this shit?

I'm thinking of an Arcanum like setting where magic interferes with technology but not vice-versa. Magic has no rhyme or reason and is available to only a few. A secret cost is people lose more control of their fate the more reliant people are on magic. This isn't limited to the magic-user but the world around him.

Those are called Dwarves.

On serious note, people hate elves because the elven spirit is so dull, absent of form or luminescence. They live more like a plant than they live like other morals. They aren't like gods as well lacking the form and presence of gods.

In D&D elven disadvantages were bigger than just -1 to endurance. It was actually -2 (half-elves had -1), translating to -1hp per experience level (20 less hp at the level 20, for example). That's not minor, it translates to surviving one or two battle rounds less than without it. They also have one less skill proficiency point per level, reflecting higher human adaptability. One generic feat pick less at the character generation is insignificant in comparison, overshadowed by their numerous advantages.

Assuming magic is like D&D sorcery, reflecting the caster's force of will exerted to bend laws of nature. D&D wizards had a different approach, which might lead to reliable 'magitek' theories and technologies.

An interesting effect. Somewhat similar, but I've always liked the Shadowrun style of things where, essentially, if you rely on tech or modify yourself too much, you lose your "essence", wherein lies most your ties to magic and magical abilities.

Dwarves are pretty cool, but I wouldn't really say they're better than humans. Largely for their societal limitations, though. They near always live underground, and are very resistant to change .This means they'll never spread to, say, the swamplands. Humans, meanwhile, are content to make their homes literally anywhere.

Though, mind you, I'm not someone who actually believes in singular "superiority" of one race. I think everything has an advantage and a weakness.

I guess to elves humans look similar to this quote from Blade Runner:

If you want the elf subtype worthy to be called ubermenschen, this one would fit the bill:
dandwiki.com/wiki/Elves,_Light_(3.5e_Race)

plebs, the lot of you

It isn't about just immortality but Elven culture and society is stagnate and dull. Gods at least have pride and ambition.

I was talking about an idea that I have. Magic in my idea is kind of a divine welfare system. Magic meant to be reserved for one thing that only magic is capable of, reversing entropy, so using magic for anything else is frowned upon by the creator. The more magic is used the more people get bounded by destiny. Generally magic cause misfortune regardless of the intent. Fate never gives more than it takes but it doesn't give as much as it takes. For example, creating a rain cloud to water the crops at best dooms another village to famine. However the direction of suffering isn't necessarily clear. For example, healing a child sickness may result in one of many effects. 1)the child gets sold to slavery; 2)the wizard gets lynched by the village; or 3)the child grows up to be a monster. Thus, there is an incentive to use magic selfishly and harmfully. However, magic is always at the cost of being unable to control your destiny. There is an ever present danger that it result of the complete destruction of freewill in the world or until the future generations pay off its debt to Fate.

It was a joke.

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