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Religion predates capitalism, so I don't see how religion could hurt the revolution.

no, spookster
because if you give someone an ideal and a book (that is not a bible), then its justified as a good value of moral condition
just keep linking to books.

I'm a lapsed Catholic and I have no problems with anyone who is religious or irreligious, I only have issues with people who go full retard and kill in the name of their religion or try to force their religion on other people

It means religion is an escape from the harsh realities of capitalism, not because it has any benefits or values.

The properties of being 1) a recent development and 2) based on Christianity do not automatically qualifies something as being flawed. Tis fallacious logic.

religion is ok

organized religion a shit

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There's no such thing as -only- religious violence. Religious standpoints never exist in a vacuum, for example """radical Islam""" is not a result of Qua'ranic exegesis gone wrong, it's exegesis in the context of the current state of the Middle East. When religions take an explicitly political stance, it's pretty safe to assume that there's much more happening there than theology. In those kinds of situations, usually what happens is a political action is taken, and then retroactively justified via subjective exegesis

Completely disagree. If we're seeking to distill a fundamental essence out of religion as such, the fact that there are countless examples of what we call religions which not only existed prior to the 1800's conception of "religion," but also completely independent of Christianity suggests that a category based on those two things is fundamentally unworkable.

The problem is with our ideological conception of religion itself

You sound like you're talking about religion and politics as seperate things. Religion is religion, and when a religion acts political, its because of politics, not (entirely) religion.
Religion is not seperate from politics. Religions are vastly more often than not throughought most all of human history belief systems whos dogma and practice dictate and actively shape the organization of society.
Dogma as in, scripture and stuff, practice as in the institutions and authoritie associated with it.
Consider the european catholic church. The mayan holy lords. Caste systems. Etc.

I think we agree actually. My point is that religion as an atomized category is arbitrary and incorrect. To separate it from politics is both unavoidable at this point, but also fundamentally incorrect.

Also, your idea that it is something based on "belief" is really a purely Christian/Judaic notion. Many other behaviors we call religious don't operate on some idea of an individual faith based on a sacred text, the only reason we think this is because the early religious scholars were literally incapable of imaging a society that wasn't Christian

Right, probably a bad choice of word. I didnt really mean 'belief' as in individual faith in any abrahamic sense.
is exactly what I was getting at though, so we do just agree.

So what is your definition of religion?

Who else is /pagan/ here?

Why do you like that guy so much ?

Here. Paganism is literally the religion of the white man unlike 🍀🍀🍀Christianity🍀🍀🍀

Are Greeks and Romans white?

They don't look white.

White enough. Accepting paganism is uncucking yourself spiritually. I'm not really a practicing pagan though, I don't all of the weird ritual bullshit. I really just like the idea of a pure white religion that isn't made up of cucked globalists like Christianity

Kek.

I have an academic interest in the occult, but I don't practice magic, formed pacts with any entities, nor do I worship any deities in the manner of the followers of most right hand path religions.

thulean perspective is comfy af

Man this thread is weird generally when this topic comes up I feel like a good third or so of leftypol is former nu atheists who jumped onto when they picked up socialism.

They don't look white.

Can Jews be white then?

New Athiests are just cancerious tbh.

What do you think of his autistic supremacy views?

Nice autism

Gods are inconsequential. What matters is liberation.

I love the Bezbozhnik posters

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Oh look, another thread where Christian/Muslim 'communists' try to reconcile their shitty spooks.

This is just another expression of garbage identarianism.

How so?

We need state atheism the way DDR did it.

How'd they do that?

James 5:1-6
Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.

Successfully. They successfully dispelled the Christian slave morality from their populace on the area of sexuality, for example. There's a documentary on the net about sex and sexuality in the DDR, you've probably heard about it. dailymotion.com/video/x222wl0_do-communists-have-better-sex_shortfilms

idk but East Germany is incredibly atheistic, even today

Exactly why we need state atheism instead of liberal secularism to properly secularize the world. It is why, for example, China is also incredibly atheistic to this day.

Religion is an integral part of libertarianism.
Without religion it cannot function.

Protip: everybody is a slave.

God is inevitable. Religion is too. But certain religions seem to put the Deity above humanity so much that it becomes a Tyrant. These religions are the modern ones, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism, etc. Other religions accept God as eternal and all-powerful, but do not make him out to be a Tyrant. These are the relatively pre-modern or even primitive religions, Shamanism, Tengriism, and North American Indigenous faiths barring the Aztec faith. One could argue that some totally modern religions can have the same features that the primitive ones had, the religions in the so-called New-Age tradition, such as Neo-Paganism.

Faggotry, but not necessarily an enemy.

I like Jesus. He breaks the Sadducee and doesn't afraid of anything.

The same argument could be made for anything TBH

gay

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Kek almost cut me with that edge comr8

it's cute

Polytheism is along the right lines but anyone who identifies with the culture of Nordic/Germanic savages is a bit stupid tbh.

So you're just a LARPer.

Why not? You must have realised at some point that occultists (or at least some of them) aren't bullshitting when they talk about their achievements, so why don't you want to take part?

It was through bible study that I eventually came to the conclusion that we should rid ourselves of the material and identitarian.

Doesn't really go against what I said, but okay.

That god guy sounds pretty porky if you ask me.

THIS

A real and good revolutionary is an enemy of all religions.

If liberation is a high value, what would be higher, the path of liberation as promulgated by mortals or the path of liberation as promulgated by Gods?

The Gods must have a more enlightened view, so I fail how you can think they are inconsequential.

What is the reasoning behind that?

I think what matters is peoples actions more than their metaphysical beliefs. Religious people should not be given special rights of exemption from law. All should be given same rights. Religion should not determine law, only science and deep philosophy should.

Yes

All we need is a secular state to disband organized religion tbh.

But why? Religion predates capitalism. Its antiquity and prevalence in the superstructure means that it has been used many times in the past to either bolster the revolution or to repress it.

agreed

Has not worked.

I seriously hope you don't think this. Unless you consider the folk religion aspects of Chinese society to be "atheistic."

The religious apolegistism that the left grew during the last decades is disgusting and now-a-days you see these spooked retards creeping in on this board.

Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the guts of the last priest.

"the only church that illuminates is the burning one"

Not all religions have a hierarchy. The sense of moral superiority of some religions is not limited to religion either.

Without freedom of religion man will never be free.

fuck off liberal

I know religious organizations tend to use it ideologically, but if you can see beyond that it's perfectly fine to be religious. Alot of atheists think the point is just believing in God and the supernatural, but imo that's not the whole picture. The main attraction is the afterlife. So, it's not so much believing in God, as trying to get God to believe in you.

This and to pack out the liberal college student terminology here for a second, it's also very eurocentric. Easterners do not have the same understanding of religion as something that is opposed to science or the physical, they do not differentiate between the practical, material in science and education and the metaphysical, divine in religion. It's why you hear people say Buddhism is a philosophy, religion, lifestyle, all of it and none of it when in truth Buddhism is simply a label for an education and culture that has developed and spread in many different ways and became part of peoples' lifes.

The only problem I have with religion is when it is used to justify political means. Engels in Socialism: Scientific and Utopian argued religion in some countries (I think England) was used by the Bourgeois on the working masses to justify their oppression. What is sad is the masses gobble it up.

At the same time you have conservatives here in the US that use religion to justify taking away the rights of others. Which sucks because I am an atheist, I could really care less what their bible says.

Unlike some people, however, I do encourage people to have a faith of some sort. But I think we need a culture where that shit is kept very very separate from public affairs, no interpretations of 2,000 writings of uneducated desert nomads in modern government, they do not have a place here.

they're GHEY LMAO

fuck that is supposed to be:

Well Christianity basically conquered the western world, so there must be some value or spiritual power there.

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