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This is actually what everyone should do. I want to hit people that talk like a 1920's wobbly in the face.

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smdh

It works pretty nicely. No one agrees with socialism but everyone agrees with workers democracy. We essentially need to re-brand ourselves.

Richard D. Wolff has been doing that magnificently look at his interview with >Maher

We need to make a new ideology without any reference to marxism.

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Its time to stop.

How would you make a new ideology without referencing the source material?

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what we need is a kind of carl sagan of marxism: somebody who speaks in everyday language about marxian economics.

bourgeoisie = "ruling elite", "the elite", "the 1%", "corporatists", "the owners" or just capitalists
proletariat = "workers", "the people", "the 99%", "the producers"
socialism = "democratic workplaces", "cooperatives", "public ownership"
capitalism = "corporatism", "corporatocracy" or just capitalism
communism = "post-scarcity", "automation", "expanded leisure hours" (not accurate but it's a start for many libs/libertarians)
imperialism = "interventionist foreign policy"
bourgeois dictatorship = "money in politics", "special interests"
proletarian dictatorship = "real democracy"

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This is literally how I talk.

Have you faggots been walking around talking like a damn Frenchman this whole time?

no, but some people unfortunately need to be reminded because they live in marxist discussion groups.

For communism you can also get out of a lot of trouble by pointing out that we have the internet and computers as commonplace and even necessities now, when people point to the USSR or the PRC pre-Deng. Putting a man into space within half a century of overthrowing your monarchy using an economy planned on paper is impressive and we could do a lot more with the information network we have now.

I like to discuss CyberSyn in relation to this. Very impressive given the internet did not exist and Chile was a Third World country. Much more could be done today.

Yeah nah

we need to do whatever it takes

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I was going to throw CyberSyn in there, but I think we can blow it out of the water at this point. It could definitely be used to hold up such a claim though.

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It's a bad tactic. No matter what we label ourselves the opposition will rightly call us out on being communists, socialists, or anarchists. Now you have to spin the truth and actively deceive the people you want to join your movement. The only thing it would accomplish is alienating people because they think we're duplicitous.

When people call us communists we should just state the reality of the situation, these people are attempting to slander us because we oppose their wholesale outsourcing of jobs, asset stripping of our local services and gouging of our paycheques by rent money. They lobby to have our wages lowered, our rights restricted and send in the police when questioned. These people use their wealth to be the real tyrants.

I know what you mean, but no.

You would kill porkies but not start anew with a new ideology for the masses that uses updated rethorics fitting more the modern world?
One that has actual chances of succeeding?

Many problems with communism, socialism, planned economy and whatever is your fetish could be re-addressed in a different manner, eg. making use of Big Data techniques to analyse the distribution of… stuff

Literally DRY/OWS. Great way to create a stagnant and confused popular front dominated by students and the petit-bourgeois that ends up simply reaffirming the values of social-democratic capitalism.

The seats even support lumbar lordosis which like half of black people have.

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Noam was pretty good at this, his problem/reaction/response was just dialectics and his acceptable window of discussion was the overton window/criticism of two party neoliberal countries.

Pretend it has nothing to do with marx.

Brilliant input as always, duncehat.

See this is exactly why people hate you commies. You're damned liars!

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Is that you satanfag

fucking checked

checked and kekked

wasted

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Rare liberal ally

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I don't even like the USSR but I do legitimately deny the holodomor as it is conceived of by Ukrainian nationalists. There is a difference between "Stalin attempted to eradicate the great Ukrainian nation out of evil Russian hatred for us!" and "Stalin really needed some capital and didn't give a shit who starved to death as a result of his fundraising."

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Are you me?

you seem like a smart guy
what should i read?

more commies should follow your lead

good enough

Bookchin

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Brodiga
The Ego and Its Own
Democracy: The God That Failed
Writings of Daniel DeLeon
Mao's Little Red Riding Hood

Those are the main things you should read in order to fully understand Communism

Man, Economy and State by Murray Rothbard
Human Action by Ludwig von Mises
Denationalization of Money by Friedrich Hayek
Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov

Pretty much what I do and it seems to work pretty well.

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who cares

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The amount of times I proposed radical communist ideas as a joke…
I mean, at a certain point they have to realize that I'm not joking.

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neat someone screencap

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aren't most anarchist autonomists though?

Why are you still peddling this shit? Post-capitalist ideal =/= structure of transitional period or party. How many times does it have to be explained, or does reason require some trendy namefag's endorsement before you'll process it, you foppish bohemian cunt?

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ffs sake, read the post well before replying

I'm a Social Nationalist.

What do you mean?

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just gonna give neuron firing opinions

Bordigism is pretty much saying, "We'll be Lenin again, except we'll be a better Lenin than Lenin."

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Horse shoe theory, obviously.