Why are "robust" character creators always tied to sliders and scales that increase the size/volume of a particular...

Why are "robust" character creators always tied to sliders and scales that increase the size/volume of a particular part at the cost of decreasing the size/volume of another (or vice versa) rather than independent control?

Why are there not any games that allow even the tiniest amount of face mesh manipulation in character creation?

Shit's easier to build.

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It'd require more data to store and be more difficult to render, all to tweak a face you'll put a helmet or mask on and rarely see.

Anything in particular you're referring too, user?

Character creators were never meant to actually create characters.
They're meant to see who can create the ugliest motherfucker, you're the wrong demographic bro.

Because these char creators are actually based on some type of middleware simply implemented in the game.

because people are very good at making penises with even the the strictest limitations.

I doubt you mean actually changing geometry because that would plain fuck the UV maps. If you just mean morphing shit around, that could be down to them not wanting their textures to look too distorted or simply not having head gear that morphs for your lollipop monster changes.

I've never found a character creator I've been able to use. I think I might just be sociopathic and/or autistic.

This made me giggle. It also dedicated me to making the ugliest guy in every character creator from now on. Thank you user and sorry for my english.

I fucking wish Souls Fashion applied to PSO2.

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That's so fucking false it hurts. The complexity of the face is fixed, you can make a perfectly flat billboard-like face and it wouldn't magically become a two triangle object for rendering, it would still have the same number of polygons as any other face, in terms of "cost" it would be the same.


It would look like shit 9/10 cases. Yes, you do have cases like your pic related, where retards shape faces without rotating their character, but without the grouping together some parts of the mesh, you would need a shitload of sliders and you would also force people to go adjusting each slider bit by bit in order to have a somewhat smooth sculpting of the face. It would be even harder to come up with a decent face.
The best solution to character creator is sculpting, but sculpting with too much freedom to change all the parts of the face can also lead to monstrosities. To overcome this, you need to limit what the player can change and give him a sizable amount of "base faces" to modify (or you end up with same-face shit like that korean mmo). I'd give the player two character creators, a simple one with few sliders and a sculptor (kind of like zbrush but simpler), at the same time, you have to supply several base faces.

With modern systems the difference is negligible as far as the impact on computing resources goes. If there's a bunch of NPCs with similarly generated faces, though, it becomes a problem and so you get solutions such as face-obscuring headwear as what Fallout: New Vegas did during the final climactic battle.

I remember a mod for oblivion did this pretty well, but they had custom modifiers (like blender) where u could mirror your changes so it'd be symmetric.
Was really neat, and allowed for some really robust customization; within some reasonable limitations (that you could turn off, at your own peril).

It's really the implementation they're using for customizing the "base model" you're messing with.
Also the base model has a set UV map, and also a set amount of verts/polys, which if you stretch too much can cause the UV map to "stretch" (thus, there's some limitations here… U can slightly get around it by having a higher poly model, thus more give before you get UV stretching/distortion… But u always reach some upper limit).
It also comes down to how easy it is to use, and how intuitive it is; which generally means removing any non-symmetrical editing, or non-proportional editing; though this is mostly a design decision, and probably not hardcoded.

Also for editing the body there's generally a concern for sticking within the limitations of the clothing/armor/etc system's capabilities to deform those meshes to fit the character's model (without stretching UVs too much, etc etc); which is generally taken into account when creating the character customizer itself.

There's also Black Desert's character customized which uses techniques based on parametric character customization (if u look that up you'll find a few papers discussing what I mean).
Which does allow for the type of editing you're wanting… within limitations as I mentioned (at least, it did when I messed with it ages ago), and is one of the best character customizers I've seen to date.

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Maybe in sci-fi games, and at that only the ones that don't have fashion gear and/or a "don't show helmet" option.

look most games can't even put their character creator screen in the same lighting as the the rest of the game so one step at a time here buddy

Porn games.

Porn games have better character editors than any mainstream game could ever have. Even when a mainstream game has a good one, you can bet your teeth that it's going to be patched or removed in later versions of the game.

Meanwhile, in Mainstream games.

Saints Row
Saints Row 2
Saints Row 3.
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