What kind of stealth do you like in your vidya? whats your playstyle?

What kind of stealth do you like in your vidya? whats your playstyle?

Lately i've been playing some of the 'recent' games labelled as "stealth" like Mankind Divided, MGSV again and i picked up IO's HITMAN after a lot of gushing from friends and it being on deep, deep sale.
So far i've been comparing them to my favourite none stealth marketed games i stealth in. Siren Blood Curse, Oblivion and so on. Its not just thief i enjoy stealthing in but any game where i can, even for periods of a level.

While a lot of these stealth games didn't do it quite right in my opinion. My personal playstyle certainly played a part. MGS was my first example of a game where conflict avoidance was preferable and not just the cowardly option in an action or rpg type game.
Since then the 'ghost' style has always been my favourite playstyle. A loosed arrow from afar, a poisoned meal. A locked room mystery set up for the ai as i calmly walk out or sneak out the perimeter undetected. I think i see it more like a puzzle with lateral thinking solutions than a 'kill this nigga and run the fuck outta dere' speed run exercise.

This means i have preferred things where none violence to anyone but the targets is the best option. Things like the thieves and assassins guild in Oblivion, the new hitman in general and while it was very, very easy a none violent run -bar the mandatory boss kills- made for the most enjoyable MGSV run for me.

But what about you? what makes a good stealth game and how does it appeal to your playstyle? full ghost? or mass hysteria and panic you can escape from in the chaos?

You're allowed to make mistakes but it makes the game harder
If you go in guns blazing you will lose
AI actually wanders around. You're not just waiting on a guard to walk into a wall and stand there
You're actually sneaking into a large area to explore not just a series of linear confrontations all strung together
Picking off guards isn't easy and is better to be done sparingly

I'd like to see stealth where you actually have to pretend and obfuscate yourself by pretending that you belong. Assassin's creed half asses it, and so far the only game that may be close to that is We Happy Few which is early access, of course.

Have you never played Hitman? the latest one and silent assassin are great in terms of how it does this stuff.
and lots, lots more.

Even if you are on console the first two missions are free so that mission alone is worth trying out in terms of 'pretending to walk and be the npc to puzzle out how to make this look like an accident and walk away clean' stuff.

While it's definitely one of the most mechanically unsound stealth systems out there, Payday 2 is really satisfying when everything works properly. I spent ~6 hours in one night perfecting the last day of Framing Frame with a friend a few years ago. Killing guards is outright discouraged, and any fuck-up has to be contained immediately or else the heist is failed.


Isn't that essentially the core aspect of the Hitman games?

Freedom and consequence.
Conscious level design that feels alive rather than

I like something like Thief where there's a emphasis on avoiding guards and being pacifistic rather than being forced into murdering every guard stealthily.

When you can use it as an option because the game has good AI, not because its some retraded "stealth only" game where you are a bald android that just needs to swap shirts to walk through security

Blackjacking them basically does the same thing, and there's only 2 missions (which are both in the 2nd game) that force you to ghost.

As un-fun as it seems at first, I want a stealth game that takes reality more into account: Knockouts are a few seconds at best, guards don't vocalize their status etc.

I tried to get into stealth games, but I can't seem to get the older ones right.
I couldn't even finish the first mission on Thief. Everytime I think I'm going well, a random guard would spot me from the other side of a huge room and everyone would bumrush me instantly.

MGS was pretty ez for stealth, though.

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