What happened to nice 2D artwork in games...

Nowadays you can just animate your 3D models, cap the frames you need, and then refine them in Photoshop. Saves you a lot of headaches especially if you have a tough time with lighting conditions and keeping the proportions of your character constant throughout every individual frame.

Also 2D looks hotter.

cheaper, some people also prefer 3d. I really like vanillaware for this reason as all their games are 2d and they look beautiful. looking forward to that new mecha game they got.

meant for

I recognize those sprites. Good taste, user.
Is that how they did it, or are you referring to the process Brigador used for its tanks and shit?

I believe that's what they did for Tobihime. They have their own blog with a few posts detailing some of their techniques if you have time to sift through it:
b.dlsite.net/RG13306/

That would be really cool if I could read moon runes.

2.5D shouldn't even exist

polycount stopped being a big issue 5-10 years ago.
as long as you aren't going too ridiculous you can get away with 100k+ poly character meshes and still have it run on modern consoles.
once we can make better use of displacement maps and tessellation in games the gap will widen even further, whereas 2d isn't getting too much in the way of technological advancement in comparison.

it's just not economical. 2d is fucking expensive, and 3d is getting even cheaper as time goes on.

What's that, the new kikestarter for Not-BreedingSeason?

No, it's something I put together with the old not used gifs of the game for a video I made with some music over it from The Witcher. Basically I am just mad that the big breasted Irish lady didn't get enough love before the game got cancelled.

He meant both fighting games.

Muh dick

But this is even more strange since 3rd Strike has amazing sprite work

Also USF2 looks better than SF5 yet USF2 was much cheaper to make.

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There are many reasons.

The people who used to make it don't have the time or budget to do so anymore. The people who have the budget to make them most likely don't have the talent to do so or realize they don't need them to wow most people. Essentially, it's not worth it and editing sprites takes much more time than editing a 3D model. SNK had a detailed description on what it took to make their models for KoFXIII but I can't find it.

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Traditional animation is a skill that takes time and effort to learn.
You gotta be autistically driven to draw. And draw a lot. As in, you'd better be going through sketchbooks like cheap cigars.
You have to go outside and draw from life.
You gotta do stuff like draw gestures of passerby. You pretty much gotta learn to observe shit in intricate detail, and churn out quick sketches while also gaining an understanding of proportion, form, and subsequently, shadows and light, i.e. value.
In short, you gotta learn the fundamentals of art and the fundamentals of animation, and go outside.

That being said, it seems a lot of devs either aren't skilled in that, or would rather just use shitty puppet/cutout animations and move on instead of taking the time to something good.

As for good pixel art, you gotta have an understanding of stuff like (anti)aliasing, dithering, and color theory on top of the above. The less lines the better. If you're trying to emulate a certain console, you also gotta know how it handed graphics, along with its limitations, e.g. resolution, sprite size, etc.
But most importantly…
You don't mix pixel ratios without some technical justification. (e.g. Pokémon backsprites in Gen 1 (Game Freak can't into memory management), Knuckles and co. jumping towards the screen in Chaotix (32x allowed for scaling))

The jump from KoF XIII/XII's 2D to KoF XIV's 3D is a good example for the shift in some games.
HD sprites are far too expensive and take too long to make. Each individual KoF XIII/XII character took 6 and a half months of work and cost 200k dollars each.
They had to reduce the rosters, rely on headswaps to minimize work/time and cut corners heavily in the movesets. They ditched the 2D which led to KoF XIV's characters having complete movesets again and allowed for a 50 character roster.

this?
kofaniv.snk-corp.co.jp/english/info/15th_anniv/2d_dot/creation/

Yeah I wasn't talking about 3rd Strike. I was talking about Skull Girls and Cup head.
nice meme hypster, I guess crappy 15 fps and shitty art is ok now because muh 1930's "walt disney" cinematic experience.

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That's the one. Thank you.

Will SF character ever stop having massive hands and feet?

It was UB Iwerkz, Max Fleischer and a bunch of other people, Walt Disney was proto-miyamoto due to the fact the he only supervised and could barely fucking draw. It's not even 15fps, even the videos would look choppy as fuck if it was like that. Way to out yourself as ignorant.

Hipsters won't give half a fuck about this project because it doesn't try to even throw them a bone, let alone have the game playable for them due to the difficulty.

Compare this project to Ooblets or any other hipster trash and you'll see what you said is pants on heads retarded.

I bit the hook hard and I regret nothing. Your obvious bait triggered me, you're such a fucking bitch user holy shit. Fuck you.

humorous picture, but totally biased

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I am not being a contrarian, I am just a person with standards.

Stop trying to push your false consensus. Holla Forums is not one person and its not your hive mind you hipster trash. Also that "excellent quality" OC you are trying to shill is fucking milhouse.

paula paula is not for sexual

I want Sylvie to shock my testicles.

what did you expect of such a shitty character design?

End yourself nigger

lol step off.

okay but more seriously, what happened is that 2d is time consuming and games need to come out faster. on top of that you can only do so much with 2d games and a lot of consumers do not want to play purely 2d games and want to play things on a 3d access, this doesn't make them wrong its just 3d has more genre options.
I might get crucified for this but i think Xrd is going to help bridge that visual gap because they learned how to use stretch and smear effectively in 3d, giving it that 2d flair. even if the designs aren't as good as many of the original designs in GG it can follow 2d animation rules and movements while not having to painstakingly draw new sprites to hotfix or change aspects that need to be changed. regarding fighting games IN FUCKING THEORY this combined with online patching should have stopped the need for frequent re-releases but so much for that

okay, but it still isn't a great example of animation

webm not related?

I remember when the devs didn't turn out to be cucks everyone here praised Skullgirls, now suddenly since the devs are cucks everything about the game is bad too.
Oh well.

Holla Forums isn't a hivemind, this Holla Forums wasn't around when Skullgirls was released, and I never liked Skullgirls

I remember well, but actually most of the people complaining here hasn't even played the game, it has great animation, politics aside.

It's the 2D fighter with more frames per move, go figure i these guys even know that.

And just in time shows up to prove the point.

i don't defend the STILL janky super animations but there are a lot of things i like about what they've done with the 3d

don't lump me in with those fucking knuckle draggers. skullgirls was always garbage out of the fucking gate and the devs turning out to be cowards only made it worse. half the fucking reason people gave a shit about it was one meme-video mike-Z did for fucking blazblue otherwise most people outside of long-time FGC members wouldn't even know that kikes name. Everyone who wanked off about its visuals was an uneducated prick as well since it was an overanimated game that made the the 3 minute long combos into reset even more of a chore to watch or play

fuck skullgirls my dude

What point? Skullgirls's artwork and animation are shit. I don't give a shit about the gameplay.

To prove you are just a contrarian for the sake of it. Because we are not talking about gameplay here.

How?
But I'm not talking about gameplay myself.

Here is the thing user, I don't give a shit about the competitive scene of any fighting game so I won't argue your points about the gameplay, I sense it as any other fighting game.

Prove it.

Not him, and I think the animation is fine, but the fact that they went back after the fact and censored several of the animations to virtue signal permanently soured me on the game.

I don' really defend the devs, I stated that before, but at the beginning they had a nice thing going on with plenty of fan service that was cut down in the name of social justice, which is just sad.
That being said, I don't understand how someone would call the art style bad, even when it's not of their liking.

Because it can be objectively bad but made to look appealing by teasing you with goods then removing that tease and calling you sexist. I'm sure you'd be into this.

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They all have man-jaw.

Are they supposed to be trannies?

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Actually, look at their boobs. They are all deformed. Never mind.

Where the fuck did everyone tit's go, except for nozomi who is now a chubby. Is this legit the same person drawing this garbage?

Obligatory depressing pic.

i don't understand the tumblr artists constant desire to alter pre existing things. is it because they can't come up with their own idea so they just destroy things that already exist?

It's a form of fat acceptance. There are 2 kind, this one is the sincere one, where they depict fatties and other kind of body types in a disgusting way and the other one which isn't relevant.

That one was posted in Holla Forums some time ago with some similar ones. Wish I remember where did I put them.

This lets them off too easily, inability to create is an acceptable excuse for not creating. They don't even try to create because they're attached too deeply to the fandom social media endorphin drip. They voluntarily put themselves into the eternal orbit of other people's work because they get more love and attention for fussily reworking popular things to fit the narrow acceptable range for the hivemind than they would from doing their own work. It's self-mutilation for acceptance.

that does line up with tumblrs cultish ways

didn't this artist try to push some SJW kickstarter for an Animated Show about, a Nigger, a Chink, a Tranny, and a Dike all living together?

I don't see any alterations. They all look like the same ugly samefaced garbage as they did before.

I didn't even need to reply since you actually think there's anything positive about that image but here's your (((you)))

I dunno know what the motives for the tumblrized LoveLives were, but I recall seeing on Holla Forums and during LOL threads people posting art of white/anime characters being blackwashed. I recall the artists specifically said they did it to "address the lack of people of color in media" or some faggy shit like that. Basically they feel "not enuff niggers/ayyrabs in my Madokas or my Sayylor Moons" so they draw shit like a shitskin Ryuko Matoi in a burkini or some meltyfaced wannabe-Rebecca Sugar rendition of the [email protected]/* */ in various states of nigger as some act of "protest." Basically "reverse cultural appropriation"

(h)(u)(h)(u)(h)(u)(h)(u)(h)(u)(h)(u)(h)(u)(h)(u)(h)(u)

Except they're Japanese so you have a white "person" erasing one culture and replacing it with others.

For what purpose

how horrifying, but its also what i don't understand because so many bumblrs view them selves as artists they also don't seem to realize theres a certain insult to taking another persons character and saying it should be changed. you know damn well they would throw a shitfit if some one altered their OCs or something

or the one case where they threw a shitfit because of some fanart of steven universe where a character was not black enough for them

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When you make a 2D animation you have to draw every single frame from every single angle. You also have to make every single frame look good. It's orders of magnitude harder and more time consuming than 3D. That's why the 2D graphics you do see these days tend to be garbage.

Except for fatso, their shoulders are all wider than their hips. They are men.

to show off that 2d animation in video games has always been shit.

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Real talk. Is this really what people draw the line in the sand over? The devs kept literally everything else in the game except for 3 instance of panty shots, tits and ass. And all that happened was that the "censored" bits just got replaced with similar shots.

I don't defend their response though L0 is full of shitheads. But it honestly feels like people here just wanted a reason to hate the game.

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Jesus Christ spoiler that shit user

Anyone got more Litchi frames?
I'm looking for one where she does a pole dance attack.

It was the attitude about the changes, and instead of telling us what frames got changed they just said "we changed some frames because lol ESRB, have fun figuring out which ones :^)"
The game itself is alright for babby's first fightan.
t. user who started fightans with Skullgirls before moving to Guilty Gear

There was someone redrawing SU characters as blonde and blue-eyed that was causing them to flip their shit.

retroactive changing of animations solely to show off what good allys they are so more idiots buy mike Zs game with the brown girl in it. if they didn't bring it up i bet one one would have noticed but despite mike-z making his waifu-fighter game he suddenly wants to be taking more seriously and viewed as more mature

it's not gaming breaking or even important but they themselves made the biggest deal about it to wave their dicks around more

Nothing was great about the game but the lewds. Remove that and what do you have left? Want me to call the math teacher that molested you?

And you picked the better game. Congrats, are you on +R or Xrd?

If memory serves correct. The only reason anyone even knew was because someone on the steam forums either notice the changes, or noticed the developers note on a patch note, and pitched a fit about it. Either way I believe it wasn't something they were advtising openly. Should they have said nothing? If they had I think people would just be accusing of trying to force the game to conform to their "SJW" desires in an even more underhanded manner.

The thousands of frames of lewds that were untouched? Again, does the alteration of three frames while still keeping them as upskirt and panty shots, really make them SJW? Or just bad at public relations?

+R.
I like playing as Zappa too much to go to Xrd.

They explained they changed those 2 animations in particular because they weren't designed to show the pantyshots, but whichever contractor animated them went out of their way to do the in between frames to show them off.

Since the keyframes weren't drawn with that in mind, the end result looked unnatural, according to them. So they went back and changed them so they'd animate in a more logical way. This is also why the other 800+ pantyshots were untouched: Because those WERE designed to show the panties, so showing the panties didn't make them animate wierdly.

I don't know if the above is actually true or not, but that's what Lab Zero said the reason was. They didn't say they did it just because they felt it was gross or whatever other bullshit people keep on saying.

Also, they've been using techniques to lessen the strain of using one's imagination of how a 2D character would look animated, even with the higher amount of pixels being used. They trace them off the reference of already making a 3D model of the character represented on a 2D plane.

They can easily position the 3D model as a good reference point for when they translate that into 2D. Though, the quality of the 2D pixel art will still be at the discretion of the talent of the artist. Just like how rotoscoped art back in the early 90's varied in quality from developer to developer.

If I could hug you right now I would. Ghost man has been my main since I got Accent Core on the Wii. Shame if he ever does make it into Xrd he'll get a massive overhaul. The devs have stated that the Japanese audience has never been fond of his current playstyle. We might be saying bye bye to the three stooges.

You're going as low as cerebella's skill floor.

>because the (((japs))) don't like it it must be completely changed regardless if real people like how it is right now
Fuck the japs, should've nuked them a third time.

I'm not pulling shit out of my ass, what I explained is what their official fucking statement on the skullheart fourms say paraphrased.

That was not even their official statement. They said their tastes changed and evolved. Stop trying to justify their bullshit.

2D graphics require a dying breed of artists and longer development times whereas 3D graphics can be done by a couple of average 3D animators at half the price/time.

2DLive will be the future for 2D graphics, that's of course if ends up being as cheap to produce as regular 3D graphics.

The problem was them tampering with the game long after release, customers shouldn't be forced to accept changes to a game they legally purchased if they don't want to and this changes were included within a mandatory update patch.

They could have avoided this shitstorm by simply listening to their customers and making the changes optional but i guess it was more important to uphold the SJW ideals.

Nobody is teaching traditional animation anymore, which is sad because I and probably many other artists would be very interested to learn. Learning something that complex on your own is very difficult.

It still has good art, i don't know why you must start the shitflinging everytime the game is named.

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Looks like tumblrshit art.

SKULLGIRLS IS SHIT

I'd have an easier time buying the virtue signalling bullshit from the sg devs if they hadn't hired fucking ZONE of all people to animate for them. I'm still disappointed ZONE-Tan didn't become a playable character.

But not impossible.
Do it, faggot.

Let's try that again

Welcome to the age of rolling releases and DLC. For stuff like multiplayer games there isn't a thing as a static release anymore. Now this isn't all bad because it means not having to wait years to get new characters because the devs are still working on the next build. But it also means that devs feel the need to implement more balance changes or tweaks more frequently because now they have virtually no barriers.

And if you don't want the changes enjoy not being able to play online at all. For better or for worse that's the climate gaming operates under now.

Low res 2d looks like shit on LCD's and hi res 2d just makes it look like a malaysian mobile phone game.

Good teachers make good students, and there is a marked shortage of good teachers for western animation.

Under Night In-Birth is one of those rare 2D fighting games these days that doesn't really use rotoscoping beyond stuff like weapons. Can mostly afford this because a) their coloring style is very fast to sketch and to work with and b) developer might not even have someone who can 3D animate people because they're an ex-doujin circle.

Skullgirls isn't badly animated, but it uses animation for the sake of animation, not animation that's mindful of the context, limitations and needs of a fighting game. But I'd still rather have more games keeping traditional 2D animation alive than less.

The problem with animated sprites versus 3-d models is that you can upscale those models for any resolution screeb. With sprites you're pretty much stuck. It's also easier adjusting framerates if it just changes the timing on mesh deformation via bone poses. Plus graphics are a big selling point nowadays.

Nigger, watch pic related

Because 3d is cheaper, faster, and easier.

Despite the OP being the most obvious bait I've ever seen, I'm still biting and I guess that says more about me than anything else.

I cannot even begin to imagine the amount of gemtard and Holla Forums tears the people who have posted this specific webm there have showered in, this is beautiful

Venture Bros is fairly well animated.

I'm saying it's not impossible to learn on your own. I hope you aren't using this as an excuse to not try.
You're trying, right?

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Because doing a good job is a form of cultural appropriation.

That's French user.

Gotcha covered, fam.

That's one of their regrets and their GDC talk includes things they'd fix in their animations to make them more impactful and less wasteful. But faggots still think it's all about virtue signalling to SJWs, despite the game being full of T&A and panty shots still.

France is not western Europe?

skullgirls was never good. Holla Forums only liked it because the devs were emphasis on were based and the game was full of T&A. once the devs became cucks and started censoring the T&A - even just a tiny bit - everything worth caring about was gone. now that they've gone full diversitard sjw pandering with their newest project, it's best to let them die.

it has many frames of animation. don't confuse the two.

i've heard the gameplay is pretty bad tbh

UNIB doesn't dither any more or less than Blazblue. What it does differently is mostly using three main shades + two gradients instead of two main shades + one gradient + one outline per color.
Unrelated to this, there's also shading inconsistencies all over Litchi's animations, and I feel like whoever did the gifs botched the timing which also doesn't do the animations any favors.

They literally censored the game for ideological reasons.

Nice no argument, fag.

Usually women have shoulders broader than their hips.

It is still unacceptable and doesn't make any sense. I don't give a shit for what explanation lab zero gives, specially if it's "It was unnatural" bullshit.

More frames doesn't necessarily11 equal good animation, timing does.

If you overdo frames, then it becomes slow, devoid of momentum, and weightless. I'll create an example soon, but it essentially looks like flash animation.

You just quoted exactly what I was talking about:
That's talking about overdone animations with dozens of wasted frames. You're inferring that by 'standards' they're saying they wouldn't include lewd frames which isn't the context at all.

That makes no sense considering they left 99% of them in. Why would this ideology change only apply to those specific animations?

It's a fighting game where frame count and timings can affect readability and how the moves impact. Having too many can be just as bad as having not enough. You don't want some actions to be smooth and drawn out, you want wind up and snap to keyframe.

See, this is what I've come to understand. Even though the frames were replaced WITH OTHER PANTYSHOTS THAT JUST FIT THEIR DESIGN STANDARDS. People are mad they got changed just because they think they got changed for some SJW reason. You don't care about the official explaination or what the frames looked like afterwards. It seems like you just want to be up in arms about something.

Even when the game still retains all of it's lewd and fanservice and only three frames amongst literal thousands are still un-altered and lovingly rendered. And even though new characters and designs are still just as prone to make for flopping tits and jiggly asses.

But what is unacceptable here? Did they say they did it because they wanted to appeal to tumblrinas? No. Did they do it to try and score brownie points with people to help fund Indivisible? No, the timing is off. No feminist or activist that you all can think of would back this game even with those changes.

Like I said earlier, I think HOW they responded to this situation was shit. MikeZ and his team acted more smug and "This is our game deal with it" than they needed too. But the actual frames that got changed were so trivial that I firmly believe that the people that were the angriest were the people who didn't play the game and instead wanted to just champion this game as some sort of middle finger to whatever '-ist' group they hated.

Why didn't you play it yourself in the years before this whole thing went down? They've had demos and enough discount days on Steam that the only reason you haven't played it was because you never cared about the game to begin with. Seriously, even my casual ass has played all the story modes and gotten my shit pushed in at my local scene.

I don't know user, Dragon's Crown seems like the game where they managed to find a balance between motion tweening, and actually adding new frames. I think that even with thier own flash-style animation they still look really good.

No because them having massive hands and feet was a deliberate design decision so that you could see moves better.

Fitting their SJW standards.
Which amounted to "Our tastes have evolved" AKA SJW shit as well as stating verbatim "This is not open for debate".
This is the equivalent of a chef baking a cake, you buying the cake, and after the chef buys the cake he takes some of the icing off with his fingers. Slippery slopes aren't just a fallacy, user.
You should know by know that anyone who is a SJW or is trying to appeal to Tumblr has both poor foresight and hindsight, and poor foresight and hindsight are basically a requirement to appeal to them to begin with.
I know of a guy whose first and only fighting game ever is Skullgirls, and he bought the game thinking it wasn't a fighting game. Are you him? Also I've played Skullgirls and it's pretty much the most fitting game for the stereotype of fighting games that people who hate or have never played the genre think all fighting games to be. The neutral game exists only for the first few seconds of the match, afterwards becoming a longwinded combo fest on par with Marvel vs Capcom 3, with options for resets being so plentiful that infinites become redundant in the general flow of gameplay. The closest you have to defensive play is hoping the opponent drops his combo while offensive options are essentially "Every character is pretty much designed to be a rushdown variant"

Are you blind or just dumb? The old version is badly made since their skirt grew magically shorter.

For those that actually give a shit here's the video I mentioned. Skip to 15:00 for just the 'shit we did wrong' part.

What does this mean when the game is still filled with tits and ass? What SJW standard exists in the frames I posted? Asses are still on display user. I keep hearing

Why would you ever play story modes in fighting games?

ITT:Lab Zero shills desperately trying to defend their shit game.

More expensive and time consuming than 3d models.

Vidya went for the 3d craze too soon, there's still much juice in 2d and some specific games/genres are better in 2d than pig ugly.

Only if the skill gap between you and your opponent is stellar. At a correct level of play hitconfirms become much more complicated to get and people tend to pull off resets early so that their opponent doesn't get more meter from the combo.
The presence of a free pushblock from which you can PBGC (cancel the two last frames into a special or super) makes it even harder to go from neutral to combo, again if your opponent knows what they are doing. If you are a scrub who can't perfect guard some faggot vortexing your ass while putting you in blockstun with a lockdown assist I can't help you.

Easily 80% of resets are telegraphed as fuck and people always use the same. Even if you don't know the opposing character, all resets that don't involve assist setups give you more than enough time to react.
The overwhelming majority of resets happen either right after a launcher or a restand. And of course there will be extremely good players you can do nothing against and feel like you got infinites up your ass, happens in bb, uniel, gg, i'm not even quoting mvc.

For defensive play as soon as you show your opponent that you can pbgc up their ass they immediately stop rushing you down. But on the point of the game being rushdown central I agree with you.

My main beef with the gameplay is the fact that almost any normal in the game can end up in a full bnb. And since people in this game tend to mindlessly spam strong swissknife air normals (that make no sense) to press you during neutral (soul wulf j.hp, bella j.mp/hk, …), lucky uncalculated hits into full combos happen A LOT.
Now on the main point which is the artstyle censorship and shit. It's mostly how they handled the negative reactions with that WE HAVE GROWN UP thing and the smug ass behaviour of cuckZ which matters (plus indivisible being blatant tumblr pandering) and for that they kind of deserve all of the shit they are getting.

Even though you did convince me that they are not SJW, there's no reason to change it. It is badly made but it is fanservice. So why would you fucking do it? Just leave it as so. It was an unnecesary change and censoring panties is not acceptable.

Because multiplayer killed games.

Oh fuck I remember watching the movie in the top half, great fight scenes but a terrible ending.

Please don't act like anime isn't just a slideshow 90% of the time.

Hit me with a webm or something.

Not anymore. :^)

it got expensive and time consuming, especially since the people with the expertise to do it are incredibly hard to come by
While 3d is much easier and faster in comparison and people with the skill set are a dime a dozen
To put it in perspective, look at the top animation in this webm, Top is traditional.
3d would hire 2 gys in mocap suits to do that fight and put the 3d models ontop of them
i had a cute MH mocap video and now i cant find it

camera shake during the strong attack causing the animations layers to shake and over expose the background
fuck i spent like 5 minutes trying to remember what its called and got really depressed because traditional animation was the only class i liked

How the fuck are you this much of a degenerate Weeaboo that you think the golden age of animation is shit? Fuck off.

I knew you were a fucking degenerate weeaboo
Why do you hate your own race so much that you will say that shitty jap drawings are better than a game that borrows the concepts from some of the best animation ever produced?

Here you go fam.

Are you fucking baiting or do you really believe your generic animu gif looks better than cuphead? If so you should just kill yourself because you are an uncurable weeaboo.

There is also Wakfu, Dofus, Justice League Action, Young Justice, Voltron Legendary defenders, OKKO and probably a lot more that just doesn't pop up in my head.

This will sound stupid, is this cartoon actually out yet? I'm trying to look it up but I keep getting results for Last Man Standing and I can't find it on any anime/cartoon >streaming site.

He's a retard but so are you, you don't have to hate your race to prefer a different artstyle or dislike 1930s cartoons

Wakfu looks like steaming garbage.

SHHHHHHHH, you fools! You're gonna summon him. Be quiet!

There is a difference between saying you don't personally like the 1930s aesthetic and saying it is shit. Objectively 1930s to 40s animation is better than the vast majority of anime, especially that gif as far as animation quality goes.

user, you have a nice opinion (wrong) there.

AWAKEN MY MARCHESTERS

YAMEROOOOOOO

Eh that's fair. Its higher quality indeed than modern anime at least.

What?

No more than any more than the average cherrypick logical fallacy.

Filia and Cerebella are fat, disgusting whores.

At 30FPS and 744p upscaled to 900p, maybe. Even modern consoles are underpowered compared to similarly priced PCs anyway; that's an awful metric to judge performance by.
Sure, but only because it was perfected decades ago. I'd rather have good-looking sprites or lower polycount 3D models than the newest unproven garbage simply because it's new.
It depends entirely on scale and art style. Guilty Gear Xrd is the prime example of lavish 3D modeling, but there is plenty you can do with fluid sprite animation if the fidelity is on the lower end of the spectrum. I'm not talking about stuff like Risk of Rain or Super Time Force, mind you, because that style is cancer, but more like Momodora: Reverie Under the Moonlight.

I know there are people on Holla Forums who dislike RutM for its art style, and I acknowledge it is less detailed than older games which relied on sprites, but I feel that's akin to saying an impressionist painting of a bowl of fruit is worse than a realist painting because it's less detailed; technically true, but ignoring the goal of impressionism in the first place.

You sure user? She looks like the sexual already tbqh.

speaking of "awful metrics."

Why do so many people retards defend lab zero no matter what even when they were proven multiple times to be huge faggots?

What?

haha what the fuck that (was) my wax payne i didn't think anyone saved the image. unfortunately i threw him away when i moved

its absolutely retarded to compare a console you can get to $250 to a PC you can get for $250. a PC you can get for $250 will end up just costing you $700 if you want something useful later on.

Oh, I see, you've never built a PC before. That's understandable, so let's start from the top.
Please tell me which current-gen console costs that little. I'd like to know, because as far as I'm aware the cheapest is the Switch at $300 or $350, not counting tax or exchange rates. If you wanted to buy a console with some games, however scarce they may be, I'd look at the PS4 Pro, which is billed as the "hardcore" console due to its increased power. According to some quick searching on Best Buy, a mint condition console will cost you about $400 USD, not counting tax. You could easily spent that much money on a computer and have it outperform a console at minimum. Gamespot wrote an article on this in 2015 comparing a $550 Xbone to a $550 PC and the PC won, hands down.

Seriously, do you think there's some black magic happening inside a console? You pay for $400 worth of electronics, you get $400 worth of electronics. Consoles are sold at a loss because manufacturers know people like you are dumb enough to buy them, not because they're passing any savings on to you.
If you want to take advantage of SUPER SRS HARDCROE GRAYFIX OTPSIONS, then sure, but most games are perfectly playable on moderate settings. Many modern games (because those games ARE what we're talking about, because why would you even discuss PCs and consoles otherwise) worth buying have good PC ports, or perhaps it would be more accurate to say all the games not worth buying have shitty PC ports. This is a known quantity to anyone who has followed the industry for more than two years.

Also, upgrading is a meme pushed by graphics card manufacturers in the first place. If you allow your own mind to be Jewed, there's no hope for you.

Also, you can't emulate on a console unless you softmod or hardmod it, which seems like more trouble than just having a decent PC in the first place.

KoFXIII is a bad example because to my knowledge they created 3D models for the sprites and then painted over them in 2D with limited palettes because the sprites were so fucking high-resolution. KoFXIII's sprites are effectively 3D, and it STILL cost SNK a motherload

how retarded are you
ebay.com/itm/Sony-PlayStation-4-PS4-Playstation4-500GB-PS-4-Jet-Black-Gaming-Console-pl03s/132071027214

take the L you fucking failure now kill yourself

you even have to fucking lie, break your computer you fucking faggot

I literally said I was comparing the highest-end, mint console to the equivalent PC. If you bought a $400 PC used for $180 I'm sure it would still outperform that console.

nope
>>>/reddit/

I literally stated I was comparing it to a PS4Pro, which costs more. Can you even read English?

You don't have to try this hard to fit in.

You can get a reasonable gaming PC for $200, video related.

Damn, your stupid.

Like the other anons said. You can get a PC that offers more and costs less. You have 0 excuses.

I decided to look up what kind of used piece of shit PC you could get on ebay (don't buy used PC components unless you have no choice like for retro hardware, kids) and that dumb fucking retard 8dfdbd thinks this:
ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-BRIX-Pro-GB-BXI5-4570R-Mini-PC-Quad-Core-250GB-HD-8GB-RAM-Iris-Pro-/132240920796
which runs a new game (nier automata) like this:
youtube.com/watch?v=dilEdsoLdaE
is comparable to what you can get at the mediocre 900p the base ps4 runs at - this is actually embarrassing and surprisingly telling

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA holy fuck yes buy a used decommissioned office PC that's fucking genius not like those things see massive amounts of use in their life time, please do it so I can laugh at you when the speccy threads roll around

no games tho

For consoles sure.

-t. petition race

Keep posting

if you keep making me laugh i won't be able to stop

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This was my entire point, which was why I was puzzled by you mentioning eBay in the first place.

Seriously, how old are you? You remind me of me when I was 14.

are you actually comparing buying a console to a PC used as if it's a similar purchase, I need to know, this is very important

poor :( cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD A4-7300 APU

14 year old or sperg detected.

For the third fucking time, I am comparing buying a new, mint console to building a new, mint PC with new, mint parts. I have been abundantly clear about this despite your willful misinterpretation.

all is right with the world. It's a shame that she's proabably going to have to latch on or bring down mian and kukri with her, they were actually cool

I'm guessing the pic was made during the fan voting phase of the kickstarter

Niggers like you never learn

A student has to put in effort to learn. And to learn a craft you got to have more inspiration and passion than the self-important millenials that keep popping out today.

What helped changed Lab Zero and made them mature and grow up? Why were they okay with that beforehand but then a certain force made the company decide to take out these lewd images? Why did they not specify that?
NOPE COULDN'T BE SJWs
Because they didn't bother to explain it. What was needed to be "fixed" when the game is full of cleavage and panty shots
If you haven't noticed, thousands of companies censoring shit and continuing to do so with no reproach. People should be calling that shit out. And it always starts out as something small just like this so people like you can just hand waive it away as no big deal. look at bravely default and it's sequel.
What was unacceptable before? you say it yourself. there are thousands of frames of tits and asses and they decide to take them out. It was a pointless change and they're making up bullshit to save face
Keep thinking that the changes were justified and double down just like lab zero, I'm sure that's how they had to extend their kickstarter for indivisible. I did donate to the gamebeforehand will make sure to never do business with Lab Zero again.

ok so the price of a ps4 is $300+ tacks
if you're this poor you shouldn't be playing games anyway but this is the bar of entry, assuming you're not an insecure 16 year old like d83975 you know how to pirate windows 7 at least and have a monitor/kb/m lying around

you can play this current gen game at 1366x768 (not even a real resolution tbh, an abomination of non-square pixels on a 16:9 display, disgusting) youtube.com/watch?v=if2KGT_QD_8 performance is shoddy at best

ps4 is at 1080p30, this is at 1366x76825-30, really convincing argument please kill yourself any time

Nigger are you fucking with me?

im just getting to the point

Most people only use 2D for poorly done pixelshit. Putting effort into it requires knowledge of frame by frame animating, of which these people often know jack shit about.

For the umpteenth time, the price of a PS4Pro is $400 plus TAX you illiterate ape. Vid related is the performance you can expect from a GTX 1050, which is a pretty middling card in the first place.
Where did the fucking 25 come from, nigger? Can you even read?

Man, I wish that game had more than six characters. I hope they'll update it with some predator characters post-launch.

25-30fps, context clues my child, you'll learn how to comprehend basic structures eventually. maybe even recognize patterns.
only a guarantee you'll be spending $300 in a year or two

so why would you buy a $400 ps4 pro (lmao) and not a $200 ps4, you've yet to approach this hole in your logic while you cling to a dumb fuck argument of a fucking garbage PC at $400 please nobody be that dumb to spend $400 on a PC you are a fucking idiot if you do

That's a very low-end video card, $60 new.

Well it's going to have a 7th (the goat) but they need to get the starting 6 down and functioning. I liked that the concept of the predators is to tutorial you on attacking zones.

The lust for proper scenes and well made setpieces is just such slim pickings.

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You can say what you want but the froggies still have some talent in them.

Too bad there's no future for them

YOU AREN'T EVEN LOOKING AT THE FUCKING BONES
ALL THEIR SHOULDERS ARE WIDER THAN ALL THEIR HIPS

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I wonder how many months until shit gets "fixed" again.

You're all complete wastes of skin

Cuphead looks shit.

Too bad the game is just a half assed excuse to sell lewd character sprites.

It worked for Automata.

Go watch Cartoon Network for a few hours and then watch that trailer. Anakama is legitimately one of the best animation studios in the west. Doesn't make it great, but when you consider the shit that passes for award winning animation on TV these days, it's pretty damned good.

Whoever drew these needs to go back to art school.

It's probably them that teach this shit.

They need to be bullied. Not go to fart school.

Never do that.

It's a proper thing to do when you don't know someone's gender.

I don't think it was singular, every tumblrtard draws like that, they're just missing excessively red noses and they almost have that covered.

No it isn't. English has no neutral gender pronoun, "they" is always plural. If gender is unknown, you use male pronouns. Because English.

Well, there is one: "it".

You sure?

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This. Be a good gouy and use "they" we have successful subverted IMPROVED the English language, to make it more progressive errr….correct!
It's valid if you simply SAY it's valid!

Bullshit.

Okay, let's get this over with before you guys start to freak out as though something much more significant is going on here.The edits, made exclusively to Filia/Fukua and Cerebella, were not made to appeal to a ratings board or anything like that. The desire to make the changes was internal, and it was cleared with the artists and everyone on the team is cool with them.Our public stance with regard to panty shots and the like within the game has always been something along the lines of "well, they're sexy girls, and they're fighting. If one of them is wearing a skirt, you're bound to see some panty. ''' "We're not trying to hide it, but we're also not going out of our way to show it either." '''There were a handful of animations - which I will not spend time enumerating just to sate your curiosity - that we felt went against that, because they seemed like they did go out of their way to flash some panty, and we wanted to fix them. These animations were made waaaay in the beginning of development (Filia was the first character ever made for Skullgirls, remember!) and these animations wouldn't have been made the same way if they'd been animated today because our standards have evolved.This is not up for debate. The changes are staying and there aren't any more coming. We're not trying to significantly alter the game, because as some have already pointed out, there's plenty of other stuff in the game that's more racey than what was edited.Yay!skullheart.com/index.php?threads/skullgirls-pc-beta-updates-discussion.407/page-190#post-268947

So here is what happened. They made the game, early on some things made it through sketching, coloring, cleaning, and integration and the game is released. When things calm down after the initial release and IGG campaign they start to take stock because they are at some point going to get the game ready for it's final build. They had already been making passes through the game-art touching up other frames. Three were removed because they went against the standard they developed. Can I tell you what caused them to make this standard? No I'm not on the dev team. But there is there answer word for word.

Obviously not ==because the game still is filled with T&A== what SJW dev would do that? Remove three frames and still replace them with up skirts and panty shots?

Who cares about League of legends removing a Cigar or Nintendo being assholes with Xenoblade's release. This company already had a game with so much rauncy stuff that for them to even attempt to replace it all would mean redoing literal thousands of frames. Are you so retarded that you honestly believed that Lab Zero would actually do that?

It was an internal development. They are a team composed primarily of artists, they are going to be touchy about these kinds of things and making sure their product looks how they want. Do I like that some companies change things after launch? No. Do I mind this one or think it was pointless? I never even noticed the frames before this and after nothing changed.

Nothing in the whole ordeal makes me think that there was any SJW agenda. And nobody can make a convincing argument because they all rely on the slippery slope fallacy something fierce. And now that Skullgirls is finished and probably dead in terms of any new content all that bitching and moaning means nothing because they never did the things you all said they would do with that game.

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thoughtco.com/singular-they-grammar-1691963

I always figured singular "they" was for things that had a gender but you don't know which one, e.g. "the supervisor says you'll just have to work with one hand after that incident with the steel press", while "it" was for things that just do not have gender, e.g. "but the steel press takes two hands to work, how am I supposed to work it?"

It is French so only Holla Forums is translating it. Ask them or wait for me to get you a link

But where's "they"???

Just suppose the question was answered with "that's not their department".
Point being, singular "they" is used for ambiguity, such as when you know what you're talking about has a gender but you don't know/care which one, while "it" is used for known non-gender.

How can someone be this fucking retarded to include that pedo's "le gender" epic meme into everything and fail at it

He's just a faggot that fails to understand basic english or won't go with "he/she" or even using someone's name instead because he's afraid of hurting someone's feelings.

"they" has as much of a place in an actual sentence where "GEN-DEH" as yabba/dabba/doo and cucks such as

Reminder that their original forum response was "we grew up", so regardless of any explanation they gave later on, their original intention still exists.

By the way I own the game and I can say without hyperbole that this is probably one of the biggest scams I've ever participated to. The game isn't deep at all, matches devolve in the same two-three characters being shown over and over due to the limited character pool and overpowered switch-in combos, tons of lore got canned for weak shit no one cares about, tutorials sound good in paper but teach newbies nothing of importance, the characters WON'T SHUT UP EVER WITH THEIR MEMES JESUS CHRIST I WANT TO KILL THE UNDEAD CAT, the Original the Backer Characters ruin the backgrounds in the levels they're in, outside of two very catchy themes the music is bland and overrated when it's not so subtle you don't notice it, they added tons of graphical gimmicks that detract from the experience, Fukua is just fucking lazy and half the team became literal socjus, especially in the VA department.
Its only two saving graces are the stellar, lag free online and Alex Ahad's original art style, which got destroyed for Indivisible because that's KikeZ for you. Also KikeZ had waifu-oriented balance patching never forget when he tried to fuck Cerebella's VA.

Oh yeah, also not to mention that it's not even SkullGIRLS anymore. You know, one of the two selling points of the game. And they flat out removed gimmicks from the extra characters because they're inept at making them work without destroying the frame rate. Meme-influenced development was a mistake.

Sorry but Alex Ahad is a bad artist. So add this on top of everything else that's shit with the game.

This game has no saving graces. Its entire existence was a mistake.

badartcrit.tumblr.com/post/45233346906/alex-ahad

badartcrit.tumblr.com/post/45957750746/so-about-your-post-bitching-about-the-skullgirls

How about:

And that's why the "singular they" is retarded bullshit.

Bullshit

Once again it still leaves it open to the fact it was probably made to appeal to SJWs, san fran clique, or the SJW members in Lab Zero but probably not anyone in business. If they didn't want people shitting on them for being SJWs they could have had some proof that it wasn't SJW tendencies. If you're so adamant on defending them or Lab Zero would want to comeback to defend itself on this decision you can always ask and they can always comeback and give some decent evidence on how it wasn't SJWs and all naysayers are just jumping the gun.
So this line further proves that SJW members in the team or the san fran clique were heading the decision. There was a screencap that has mike Z saying they were trying to tone Ahad down so by this point I'm betting Ahad was made to go along with it because it was company policy how "sexy and lewd isn't allowed now". As a backer I wanted to know who specifically made the decision but they went silent with their funders so I didn't information with my response.
LOL
They fucked up there
Noticed how they went against their public stance. Kind of like how some developers go against what they originally create to appease SJWs.
I would agree with this but I'm guessing you would like to contest against that statement.
Another question that pops up is, how many animations? Lab Zero couldn't bother to give a rough estimate and in the sea of panty and tiddy frames these were the two that stood out and had to be removed for their and our precious sensibilities. Just more vague information that goes against them because there were all these inappropriate things in the game originally and for some stupid reason they decide to take out those frames.
Once again what gave this inspiration that the panty flashes were an error and needed to be fixed? Who in that "internal" decision convinced them to remove frames from the original game compared to all the other panty shots? Why didn't they run this by the backers? It would seem that a good number would disagree with that statement.
As I say before If they were in since the beginning what made them all of a sudden learn this "problem" they had with the two frames?

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The real stinger. Their standards have evolved. Would you like to explain what that means? Does it mean less lewd in your life? Are they all trying to absolve from the physical pleasures of life? Most people like sexual things as they grow older or can at least tolerating it without removing it.
Since you were so kind to avoid my question before I'll ask again
What helped changed Lab Zero and made them evolve their standards? Why were they okay with that beforehand and what force made the company decide to take out these lewd images? Why did they not specify that?
Frankly these so called "standards" of theirs didn't evolve and if they were spouting this trite in a shareholders room I would hope they get fired on the spot.
They say this after shitting out a vague statement as being "matured". Can you explain that? They don't want to argue with the people who funded them whether they want the change in or not, but they deemed that the lewd girls game should have less frames of lewd girls in them and everyone would be okay with that. How come you or Lab Zero can never seem to explain that ass backward logic?
So now after a whole speech on why they remove things because it doesn't fit with them, they completely go around everything they say and say there was a lot of other things that weren't removed even though they are a lot more lewd then the frames that probably wouldn't fit with them. It completely nullifies all the reasons they put out before since they have not metric or … what was that word..oh yeah!
STANDARD
of what is okay and what is not okay for them to remove.
They are a bunch of hypocrites going "we removed them because there was panty flashing, but there is a lot of other excessive panty flashing".
You are a hypocrite for defending this saying its okay to remove the frames because they were too lewd but then justify it by saying you can't be mad because there's lots of other lewder stuff in the game they kept in spite of removing stuff for being lewd.
They're reasoning is bullshit, the paragraph is bullshit, their arguments are bullshit.
It is all bullshit and I don't want to see it again.

Why is is so important to always defend removing those frames? What benefit is it to you if peoples complaining of trying to remove and censor shit will stop companies from trying to remove and censor shit?

I'll give you that this passage is right:
And I love it very much indeed. Even if it's apparently bad for your tumblrite person, it's still consistent in being bad, and I really like it. I really like the colours and I really like the fact they look attractive, and I ESPECIALLY like the fact they look so stereotypically attractive they bounce back and become just cartoonish, which is exactly what the whole point of a fully animated fighting game is supposed to be. A fucking Cartoon within a Game. Peacock is the biggest example of this being done but look at all the characters and tell me if they don't look like some shit you'd see in cartoons/animes up until the nineties. Parasoul is a fucking Jessica Bunny ripoff, for instance.
Look at Indivisible, where they apparently "fixed" his art style and tell me if that art is more inspired than Skullgirls' art direction. Obviously this is more of my tastes but I do feel the game looks good on its own. Everything that was added as padding though completely ruins the style.

Have some great 2D intros.

The animations weren't broken at all, they were working just fine but they decided to alter them without the consent of the customers that already funded the game.

Their community didn't shat on them for a the removal of pantyshots, they did it because they were simply making changes that weren't stipulated anywhere with their money instead of using those funds to fulfill the actual Kikestarter promises.

Honestly this is another "fans only hate DmC because dante has no white hair!" misdirection all over again to avoid having to deal with the real anti-consumer problem.

Maybe it was trivial to you but not for the other customers and they have all the right complain about things that directly affect their investment.

Skullgirls was the first fighting game for a lot of people and since they "love it" they are unable to cast an objective judgement over the game.

There is also a lot of faggots that mindlessly defend the game because other faggots mindlessly shit on the game whenever is mentioned.

To learn more about the wage gap and the patriarchy?
The only real choices to learn about art nowadays is learning by yourself using internet resources or moving to a non-pozzed art school in japan.

I'm sorry, until you can explain to me how changing these three frames and nothing else about the games core aesthetics makes them SJW's or trying to appeal to them you have no argument. Find me proof or leave your tinfoil hat on the door.

Keep the thread bumped I'm at work but your nonsense is something I do want to address.

Funny enough I don't even care about the frames. I care about never being able to discuss Skullgirls because every time I do the retard brigade with their misinformation love to come out screeching SJW SJW SJW!!!

Yes, Lab Zero has made bad decisions. The Panty shots aren't one of them. But ever since GamerGate people have become so sensitive towards any developer changing their product in any way that it's gotten ridiculous.

Because it won't shortly. Nintendo doesn't care about your rants and neither does Lab0. If you're smart you'll realize that the age of static releases that developers can't re-touch without a complete version update is dead and gone.

And as far as targets go, Skullgirls never became what people like you ranted about. The tits are still flopping around. So at the end of all this you all can't even admit you were wrong about some insidious SJW agenda to remove the sexy bits.

The Panty shots WERE one of them, they poorly manage the situation and make themselves look like a buch of assholes and pretty much got the hate they have now

Mate. cut that shit out, go back to tumblr. you will find no support here.

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Divinity Original sin had to change it's cover the breast of the female character.
Pillars of Eternity had to take out a story about a tranny because it offended SJWs. Companies are always forced to do these small changes like removing lewd frames when they're forced under SJW pressure. You're telling me a Video game dev group in San Fransisco with a high profile indie game won't come across SJWs, you're fucking crazy.

You could have talked about animation, the story, and the gameplay like multiple other anons in the thread but you didn't. You can only pay attention to the frames discussion and have to jump in to defend Lab Zero like a white knight and claim it's just misinformation.

Yeah everyone goes over dev decisions with a fine tooth comb nowadays. Companies are putting politics into games and people are noticing. The thing is that this decision of theirs wasn't justified at all and they should actually answer the question to the community.

>Because it won't shortly. Nintendo doesn't care about your rants and neither does Lab0. If you're smart you'll realize that the age of static releases that developers can't re-touch without a complete version update is dead and gone.
You're glad that a company continues to censor and ignore the audience that built them up to where they are now. That doesn't signify putting an investment in any more of their products. And I'm glad I dropped Nintendo too.

I just gave you a manifesto on why their stupid paragraph was bullshit was censorship from SJW pressure and you won't even bother to refute it. I never stated that SJWs were planning to remove it all but they did make Lab Zero remove those frames because it's their status quo.

Since you're at work can you kill yourself and then have one of the other employees confirm that you did.

Most importantly they hate it because it let them down and anything good related to it before the second half of Season 1 is in full damnatio memoriae territory.

I like her up until her VA doesn't talk. Even some cat puns are okay but I really can't deal with those attack calls.
Except Guacamelee did something really good with memes being in the background so that you had to directly go look for them instead of hitting you with All Your Base Are Belong To Us jokes all the time, but it gets praised so much for it that it becomes bullshit since now you're consciously looking for them.
Fukua's special effects, which look like shit and don't fit the art style, the hitmarkers whenever you block right or get hit, the screen moving erratically during each super move etc.

Stopped reading there. You're fucking retarded. Nobody is forced to censor anything outside of what the ESRB says will get them an AO if they want to publish on console. If publishing exclusively on PC, you can put literally anything you want in the game, as ratings aren't required.

I actually did skim the rest of your post, but that one line was so wrong that it made me have to comment. You're right about everything else, but in no way are any of these fucks forced to censor themselves. They do it of their own volition.

So you are putting three frames that were replaced on the same level as Cover art and major gameplay/story changes?

Right here is the problem I have with your line of thought. What SJW pressure has Skullgirls faced (Here's a hint, a lot especially at it's launch), and how would it only have resulted in three frames being removed? Do you think that every little change is the direct result of SJW presence?

I'm telling you that three frames is less likely to be attributed to SJW's because they would want more than just those frames you retard.

Actually I did, but because I am on the go my ID has changed. I am also the Zappa main and a person who defended Vanillaware's animation upstream. But you wouldn't know that so I won't fault you for it. However, I would be lying if I said that I didn't see Ms. Victoria in the OP and thought that I would see the usual goon squads show up to talk about Skullgirls.

I agree, the flip side of this is that people are looking for the next witch to burn.

The devs wanted to uphold their "No egregious (relatively speaking) fanservice" policy that they created, they did not just cover up any characters, just removes three very specific frames that did not meet their standards. I think that is more than justified.

And they have. But this is no different than when they nerf or buff a character. The community can voice their satisfaction or dissatisfaction but at the end of the day the Devs will have to decide whether or not to listen. In the case of these three frames they have put their foot down.

First I don't think they censored themselves since once again. They didn't remove the lewd They adjusted three frames all of which still show the characters asses, just a little less. And Cerebella still has all of her dozens of panty shots remaining. Did they ignore the audience? No because they still deliver some very well drawn female figures (and even crotch bulge on the dudes) so you are wrong in that they did a 180 on their ideals.

And give me a little more time to dissect that bundle of stupidity next.

This change was trivial to me sure, but I'm not saying this user or any other person has to be ok with it. I'm just tired of this being used as some proof that L0 sold out or bought into some SJW conspiracy. There are other things that L0 has done regarding costume changes that are far more disagreeable than just replacing three frames. And the panty stuff shouldn't have been this divisive when any number of balance tweaks have done more damage to the characters themselves and the play ability of the game. Most people would never have noticed those three frames if nothing was said because that's how miniscule they were.

In truth I have always been against the decision made by MikeZ to cover up one of Eliza's win poses. Even though I personally found the costume unnecessary revealing. And unlike those altered frames which still showcase some ass, this change was for a multi frame pose that is supposed to be the cherry on top for an Eliza player for winning the match. There are at least 8 to choose from.

Keep in mind that when this happened Eliza was still in development so it's not like anything was set in stone yet. But the announcement came in the form of Mike seeing the pose on a twitch stream and then bitching about it and saying he wouldn't let it stand. He may be the lead programmer but Alex is the creative lead and if he wanted it in the game it should have gone through. I don't think that Mike is an SJW but he's known to be fairly prudish about stuff like this. There was also Eliza's frames for when she was grabbed being covered up as well, also attributed to Mike and also during her development.

Maybe it's because these things happened during her development that not many get mad about it like I do.

Those were still changes that the developers could have chosen to keep in the game but caved in. They are very good examples

They said it was an internal issue, members of their company have friended femenist frequency, so it's still on the table that members in the company have SJW values and decide to appease their SJW friends by removing frames so they can say they tried to make the san fran clique happy.
No, but their actions resembled that of SJWs
They talked, and walked like a duck

I think it is not justified as I said beforehand it's just a flat out bullshit
ILL SAY IT AGAIN
They completely go around everything they say there is a lot of even lewder frames even though they have removed frames for being lewd. It completely nullifies all the reasons they put out before and they failed to set a standard of what is okay and what is not okay for them to remove.
They are hypocrites for saying its okay to remove the frames because they were too lewd but then justify it by saying you can't be mad because there's lots of other lewder stuff in the game they kept in spite of removing stuff for being lewd.

You can answer that ass backward logic anytime you want, I'm still waiting for that answer.

THEY DID REMOVE THE LEWD YOU SAY IT YOURSELF
And yes removing frames of panty shots is still censorship. Just like nintendo removes breast sliders or team ninja removing DOAX3 from store shelves in America.
a small amount of censorship is still censorship. And if it was
SO LITTLE
SO INSIGNIFICANT
Why did they even bother removing it? Who would have their sensibilities broken by a few frames of panties that Lab Zero had to jump in and remove them from the game?
When they removed people making the decision I would say yes they totally did
I'm saying they went 180 on their decision with this, not that they have completely taken a 180 with their ideals.

And they will continue to be shit on for their decision for a long time and lose faith with a lot of backers who had the same grievance with their decision as I had.

You should have put that time to better use by offing yourself at work

They should have actually explained themselves instead of just completely cutting off discussion.

Full stop before I go any further. Where did they cave in for these frames. Where is your proof that this was influenced by any outside group?

Find me that proof instead of your conjecture.

Nobody would be giving a fuck beyond calling them "cucks" or whatever if Skullgirls was a LabZero self-funded game but it's not, LabZero not only made changes that were never stipulated in the game's original campaign but they decided to berate the backers for not accepting the changes.

Also is silly to argue that LabZero is not pozzed when the lead designer, lead animator, pr manager and even MikeZ are neck deep into the SJW san fran clique. Mariel supports anita's bs and is even friends with Flynn, MikeZ has been pandering and shilling his Indivisible game to "gamers are ded" outlets and a bunch of other LabZero employees hang around or even work with people like ninah freeman, pedo butts and patrick klepkek.

Yeah, I remember when she started her twitter shit and when she let it go because surprise, the guro artist who loves to draw incredibly fetishized women won't fit in with that group. She got what she deserved.

Mike has, and always will be a self important shithead. The guy was passing his game off as the next great fighting game even when their roster still can't compete with any other game in terms of actually interesting mechanics.

I'm sure they drank the Koolaid at some point. But some of this shit doesn't read as an attempt to get on the good side of the SJW communities because the changes never amounted to something that would get their game accepted by said communities.

And were we talking about Indivisible and the stuff L0 has been doing with that (Putting Mariel as artistic lead, shelving Alex, Making a multicultural game in [current year] in light of many studios trying to cash in on the progressive movement) this would be a different conversation. But we're really talking about Lab Zero circa 2015. They hadn't gone full retard yet.

As I a said before it is on the table that members of Lab Zero were SJWs. Artist have friended feminist frequency, There's a screencap of Mike Z saying they need to tame Ahad's work, and they're right in the middle of san fransisco.

If what I was saying was so baseless and unbelievable why have you been spending so much time trying to argue with me instead of dismiss me like I am some troll

Once again. companies always try to do these small changes to appease SJWs and it always backfires as they don't buy the game or the SJWs get offended about something else. And when they make these decisions they don't care about their original communities, they care about what the perpetualy offended think.

One pixel artist guy wrote up a whole article about how modern people just don't like the look of pixel art anymore and that's why companies shy away from it or whatever.
it was a interesting write up

As much as you keep blaming SJWS (and your big proof is a retweet for fuck sake), i don't see the SJW in the game, i seriously think you are just hurt because of panties and not because of ethics.

Because I have an abundance of free time and nothing else better to do with my life than argue about stupid shit over the internet? I mean you're posting here too so you know what I'm talking about. Even if you are some troll you still serve as a good way to pass the time.

I'm sure glad that instead of doing something that would actually change the minds of the people offended that skullgirls had plenty of titilation, they removed three frames that would barely be noticed and waited until some guy on the steam forums brought it up to even address that fact. Great narrative there champ.

And since you can still only rely on suppositions that they were riding the SJW train at that juncture I'll take it you actually have nothing more to say on the matter?

Do you like to keep ignoring blatantly obvious shit right in front of you, or are you some huge fanboy of Lab Zero. Did you not read about the other censorship posted earlier in the thread or the bullshit the employees push? Why defend a company who only made a shit fighting game that has no interesting characters outside of designs, an overanimated game that consists of combo and counter combo, and just downright terrible middle game.

Then you haven't been paying attention to my post on why I found their reasoning bullshit and why I have been refused to back them again as their reasoning is bullshit and they will most likely do decisions like this again for no rhyme or reason and without community approval.

Are you a deliveryman or a bus driver? how many places are you moving around to so that you have to change IDs all the time?
And once again I come back to the question of why remove it if it's been there for so long and are adamant with that change if it is at the disapproval of backers?

I guess if anything I have said or
has mentioned hasn't convinced you that Lab Zero has SJW leanings then nothing will.

You re now changing the subject faggot, what are you going to say now? That the gameplay is SJW too?

that's not me. but thanks for giving me an excuse for

You're misunderstanding. The game itself is lewd. To remove that they would have to remove every frame, every sexy pose, every moan and avery bouncing breast. Just those three frames doesn't remove the sexy stuff from the game no matter how hard you try and force that it did.

Your reading comprehension is lacking. They are not saying that because their is other stuff that is more sexual than those frames you should not say anything against it. They are saying that after they made that change people were pointing out that there is stuff that is more Racey than was edited but they had no intention of changing those.

They specifically state that there were only a handful of frames and animations that did not meet their current standard and they fixed only those frames.

I work in two different states. I don't have the luxury of just being able to sit at one spot all day doing nothing but this. That and even if I am in the same spot, if the connection is not the same it registers you as a different user. I wouldn't think too much about ID's though. It's a system I wish this board admin hadn't implemented for this very reason; making people focus more on the posting number than the style and reply chain to determine who is who. What's the point of an anonymous image board if you start making people carry temporary identity markers?

The answer is simple. The game was going to be "finished" and the team had been going over it with a fine tooth comb making sure that they left it in a state they could be happy with. As stated by Render, the art team wanted to address some art frames that did not meet their likings because they were made very early on in development before they had tightened up their pipeline. To reiterate, their standard wasn't contradicted. They want fanservice but they don't want Egregious or forced fanservice. This is why those three frames were altered.

The problem is that you just keep saying that their reasons are bullshit and that they were not justified. So even with a completely valid explanation of a game that heavily advertised it's art, having artists who want to make sure that the game looks like they want it too, you just have been assuming that it's because of SJW influence.

Seeing as I know more about the things L0 has done to their game and the changes that have been made throughout it's development I'm not some blind fanboy. But here is the thing; I have seen the tweets, I have been on the forums, I have been in that community for years. As long as Lab Zero doesn't let their personal stuff bleed into the game too much I have no reason not to support the game. You think you have to agree 100% with a person to like their product?

None of Mariel's trying to schmooze up to the SoCal social groups amounted to any change to Skullgirls that could be considered SJW. And MikeZ has always been very conservative with how he approaches the visuals of the game. One animation that was never released in the final product that also was made during that initial development was a Filia one. We all know why that one got squashed even though it had already been completed.

Now as for how much of the Kool-aid Lab Zero has drunk. We'll see with Indivisible. They have a more closed development but we still see trickles of information from the game and this is the one that will determine if they really are hacks or not. Because Skullgirls was a decent fighter. It still needs polish and a better roster but it's still a game I will go back and play when I'm not on GG or UNIEL.

That post just makes me wish Skullgirls turned out to be a porn game instead. Zone made a flash of Filia but I wish there was just a fully nude version of the game's sprite sheets, since Zone doesn't like to draw or animate anything without making people look like sticcs, even Filia despite when aside from Samson she's Ass, Hips, Tits, and Thighs: The Character. Same goes for Cerebella and while not all of the above to the same extents, Squigly or Parasoul. Imagine a character being known for her thighs and someone goes "Nah, won't touch those", or a character has a huge rack and an artist decides to draw her giving a handjob instead.

People often think that anonymity = not using your power name.

FUCK YOU PATRICK KLEPICSTIENENBURG, YOU SINGLEHANDEDLY TURNED GB INTO THE CUCK ZONE IT HAS BECOME. FUCK YOU, FUCK ALEX, AND FUCK THE BIKE THAT DIDN'T SNAP YOUR TWIG NECK. GO KILL YOURSELF LIKE YOUR DEAD DADDY WHO PAID YOUR WAY INTO E3 DID, FAGGOT. I AM 200% MAD, ARES DID NOTHING WRONG.

I'll wait for you, forever and ever and ever.

Yeah, no shit, niggers. Nobody likes Zappa's playstyle, because it always devolves into "summon dog, do the unblockable." It's not even a fighting game at that point, it's a zerg rush.

God damn I had forgotten this lost love

Mainly lust, though…

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In AC+R the changes to the sword made it on par with, if not better than the dog. With the dog you become discount eddie with an unblockable. With the sword you get a far safer way to poke and a guarenteed wall bounce at the end of a combo. Not to mention in the corner the Sword is unstoppable when you start unless your opponent has burst.

I am going to miss the current Zappa. Sword and the Three Ghosts were always more useful than the Dog to me. He's probably guarenteed to keep Raoh but I have no idea what his new kit would even look like because I don't know what the nips didn't like about his current playstyle.

Have a botched (you).

You don't like Zappa's playstyle, because you're sub-human, like the rest of the trash that don't like or even appreciate Zappa's playstyle.

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