What's Holla Forums's opinion on the original Thief games?

What's Holla Forums's opinion on the original Thief games?

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Complete shit, except for the recent reboot, which was actually pretty kino.

Please tell me you're joking

damn good bait
>>>Holla Forums

I got the game disc but I remember an error won't let it install.
I don't care enough to fix it, since I got it for 75 cents at a garage sale.

Get the Steam version

Grow up.

they're fine and I consider the first two must plays but nobody has said anything interesting about them in a decade so I have no interest in talking about them probably ever again. same thing with doom, duke nukem, stalker, system shock

just pirate the gog version nignog

What's their to joke about, Thief as a series is one of the worst I've played, the levels are too big, the guards are too low detail, you cant tell what emotion they are expressing when they are searching for you, the sound is like all fucked up, like in one corridor my footsteps sound different than in another corridor, even if the floor is like the same tiles. In all seriousness if you like this game you should probably grandpa and die.

Grow up.

tried the first few years ago, and got motion sickness

Work on that bait next time. You don't list good things as being bad.

Thief 2 > Thief 1 >>> Death to Spies > Splinter Cell = Metal Gear > Thief 3 >> Dishonored > Nu-Thief

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haha faggot.

I just might, but for some reason it feels like too much trouble than it's worth, considering I don't like old grandpa games much.

They offer for more exploration


It's an old game, what the fuck do you expect?


That's because it depends on what surface you're stepping on

Carpet - less noise
Wood - Moderate noise
Marble - More noise

Yes, it is. I think you just can't play video games.

Torrenting is not fucking hard.
How old are you? Are you a giant faggot?

Obligatory

Something that isn't shit.

It's not like it didn't work

They had a perfect sequel to a new character set up with Garrett being able to raise a little urchin girl to be a thief, similar to the start of Garrett's life. Instead they reboot the whole thing and ruin the entire game as well.
Whatever. That was years ago now.

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ftfy

Grow up.

>i have shit opinions don't challenge them

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Yes because we're all dying to play as another mary-sue here. That'll save vidya.

I have no idea yea. Just installed the first two game, "fixes" and the HD texture packs and only played the first level of Thief 2. So far it seem a bit underwhelming considering how often I've heard it praised. Are there any good/essential mods other then TFix_1.23 and Thief_1_HDMod_1.2?

yet*

Mixed bag for me. Didn't finish Thief 1 because of Thieve's Guild. I played some good levels like the first and Assassins and some bad levels like the Guild and the crypt one. Next time I'm just going to skip the shit levels.

Literally the best games in the stealth genre. They weren't perfect, but no stealth game produced afterwards even comes close


Start with Thief 1 and play through a mission or two. You'll soon figure out why it's praised so much

The first game isn't as consistent in level quality as thief 2, especially the gold edition bonus levels.


First mission is more like a tutorial mission, try the second one. Thief TDP first mission is also a good introduction. HD mods for old games are always shit, btw.

This, they did away with the stupid dungeon crawling, zombie-fighting stuff and designed most of the levels around actual thievery and sneaking, with the ocassional dungeon-y bit. Plus there were more trinkets to use and a wider variety of enemy.
Thief 2 is a huge improvement on 1, and if you enjoyed the good levels in 1 you'll really enjoy 2.

The first level of Thief 2, especially with the tutorial stuff on Normal setting, is not indicative of the rest of the game. Start with Thief 1.

Thief created the stealth genre.

Lol.

Surely Shoplifting Boy did? If you get caught shoplifting by the shop owner, you fail.

Tried the first one after I really liking Deus Ex but didn't find it that good, heard Thief 2 was best so I'm up for trying it sometime.

stop taking obvious bait you retard

This thread was a trainwreck from the moment OP started it with a template but the small children who can't handle games(or real life events) that aren't push-button-to-win are especially triggering. We've had good Thief threads but this isn't one of them.


ctrl+alt+shift+end skips the level. I've played TDP and TMA god knows how many times and I must have played a hundred fanmissions but I've only bothered to play Thieves Guild twice.

The crypts are pretty fun though. A nice change of pace after sulking around for two levels straight. The fire elementals I could do without though.


Is there nothing like this for The Dark Mod?

Uninstall the HD pack. It's just a bunch of HD textures randomly slapped together without any cohesion so game looks completely different from what it should look like. It doesn't make the game look any better.

who are you quoting? although Thief is definitely one of the worst stealth games I can think of

What others are on your mind?

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I would but I don't see a option to turn on Bilinear Interpretation and force Point filtering. I don't mind low-resolution textures but I fucking hate blurry textures that look like they are smeared with Vaseline.

Try this first. You might need that fix anyways. ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134733

Iron - vid related

Look, the game is good, and I'm personally cool with yet another thread on it, but please stop this "what's Holla Forums's opinion on X" garbage tier threads. It makes you sound like a pussy without any confidence; it sounds like survey question.
That said, I really need to play more of 2. Thief 1 really got me in a good way, I loved the detail to the movement even if it was incredibly slidey and cumbersome at some points. Trick arrows were rad, and I absolutely loved how the game had you approach situations:
Muh dick was fully engaged.

Hey bro, I think you misspelled "newfag" there.

So far the best part is the ambiance (otherwise it seems like a very mediocre game). The stereo sound is what sells it. That and the key customization. Being able to bind multiple keys to a single function is an amazing level of controller customization that even other PC games at the time did not often allow.

The dungeon-crawling wasn't that suprising since it was first mean't to be like playing a thief in a D&D-environment.

Also, Thief is probably one of the most complete and innovative stealth-games of all time. I would rank the first Splinter Cell and Hitman-games a bit higher, but all of that comes from newer better software that used the things that Thief came up with.

One of the only stealth games worth playing gameplay wise. Also excels in pretty much every field minus graphics.

If you lurked for a bit instead of skipping straight to posting, you'd probably know the answer by now.

Thief 2 was so long that I had to start skipping some missions and even then I still couldn't finish it.

Look I understand that (you) are a insufferable rule cuck who desperately wants to fit in but I personally wouldn't mind having a Thief thread. So for the love of god can you stop being such a retarded faggot for one second and think outside of "Holla Forums hivemind told me not to respect x" and actually take the time to read the thread before assuming its trash.

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Or maybe OP should put more efforts into his threads.

smells like summer

I'm not opposed to having a Thief thread. What I am opposed to having threads that ask "what's the board's opinion" and nothing else. If you want the board's opinion on a video game, you can just lurk for a while to get a general idea of what people think.

I was making fun of you you cry baby, I didn't mention the thread.

The thread is decent other than OP being a newfag and a bunch of dumbasses falling for blatent bait.
On topic, is there any other stealth game that comes close to the level of Thief?

Thief threads are usually started with the FM recommendations and some kind of comment on an FM they just played, not with a bait template and no original thought just a search for validation on a pre-existing opinion.

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory is great, the fist 2 chapters are good too but more linear.
Mark of the Ninja is 2d, but I found it to be almost perfect from a design perspective, instead of giving you a ton of options it focuses on 2 playstyles: you either kill everybody or ghost through the levels and both approaches are very fun.
Another Klei game is Invisible Inc, which is basically a turn based stealth game in the vein of xcom with procedurally generated levels and no bullshit percentages.
MGSV is worth playing too, it has generally good mechanics but unfortunately the level design is mostly shit.

No it isn't.

Not really.

Every other stealth game bogs itself down by forcing you to hide behind boxes and wait on AI patterns. This happens a bit in Thief, but in the guards are actually patrolling a gigantic area and changing it up. In a lot of stealth games the majority of guards are stationary or just walking back and forth. Not to mention the controls are so fucking fluid.

The closest gameplay wise in my opinion was the spy in TF2 before they added all the retarded shit. Just running around blackjacking nerds and trying to avoid unpredictable opponents.

I didn't say anything like that.


Canon Texture Pack is what you want.
ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141621

It's 63% complete, but still does a nice job.

wrong

1 is great, I've come to appreciate the horror levels. Gold added some fun levels and the terrible shit that is Thieves' Guild.
2 has more actual thievery missions but I actually miss the scary shit.

Also, unlike MGS (a 2D stealth game in three dimensions), Thief actually used sound as a central element to the point where the engine was built from the ground up with control over sound propagation in mind.
Obviously 1, 2 and Deadly Shadows all need fan patches to really shine.

so you're trolling people by making people think you don't know what IDs are

Why do you think its terrible?

I've never really sat down and thought about it at length but I'll have a shot explaining it.
Firstly there's the backtracking (granted more of a problem in your first playthrough if you aren't good at mapping things in your head). More importantly the level is at best just bland: It's just a bunch of unchallenging samey tunnels with no new gameplay that isn't done better elsewhere in the game. If the level was half as short as it actually is it'd be less offensive but at best it feels like filler and at worst it's trudging through sewers with no difficulty.
There's something else about it that I don't like but I can't quite put my finger on it. I think perhaps it lacks the atmosphere of the rest of the game separate from just being a boring level in and of itself.

That isn't a great explanation but like I said I've never put enough thought into it to give a coherent set of reasons why it sucks. Perhaps another part of it is how it comes right as the game is opening up a bit more in terms of level design and Thieves' Guild comes and shits on that natural progression with its fucking linear tunnels it's been years since I played but didn't it at least give you two different linear paths rather than one? Both were equally boring but it wasn't 100% linear.

I hated running back-and-forth trying to find that last piece of loot the one under the fireplace while everyone was taking a nap. The level isn't designed for ghosting either which would make sense from a story perspective since he wants blame pinned on the opposing sides.


They aren't linear. They're just not all that interesting to progress through. The areas separated by them are generally OK.

7/10

When I launch the game after patching it with TFix—my screen flashes white and never ceases to do so.

Any idea? The game launched without TFix, didn't try to play it though.

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Have you got a second screen? Sometimes old games don't like that, you can temporarily turn it off in Win7 (and later if you're a good goy) by pressing windows key + P.

I hate the pagan levels.

Nu-thief is bad by Holla Forums standards and the originals but isn't that bad by today's standards. The mainstream game media canned it because it didn't have any of the sjw signalling they've come to expect. Sidekick was an annoying bitch that got called out quick and Garrett was half a mgtow.

Meanwhile, the same tier nu games like DXHR and Dishonored got praised up the ass.

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haha faggot

you forgot these

Reported for being underaged.

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Garrett was an interesting character in the original games because he was a selfish master thief with a heart of gold.
Nu-Garrett was just a generic anti-hero, the new voice actor was shit-tier and you could swap out most of the game for Dishonored and barely see a difference.

Did he ever actually do anything particularly selfless in 1 and 2? Mostly it comes down to him saving The City simply because he happens to live in it. I suppose he does try to avoid fucking with innocents but that's as much professional pride as anything else.

I want that meme to stop, I'm sure that 99% of people spouting this didn't play it, it's not great but it's far from shitty.

MGS did stealth better, honestly. Western devs just don't really have that gaming soul that eastern ones do.

In 2 he pretty much saved the whole city and the people out of his own merit, not simple because he lived in it. I think the message is is that Garrett grew to do more than just what he was good at and help people. The city he saved is also the city that gave.

The hell is up with all this cuckchan-tier bait

not simply*

It has flaws that disrupt what it could have been good and enjoyable in an attempt to be "hip" and "cool", but all it does is make things slow down. And if you don't like the grab kills, then you waste more ammo and don't get any ammo because lol what are item drops?

Played the demo for 1 on release, and sort of enjoyed it, but it wasn't good enough to get me to go out and buy it. Commandos, on the other hand, did a far better job at creating interesting "stealth" gameplay, so I played the shit out of that series to get my stealth fix, along with Tenchu 1/2.

So I downloaded the entire Thief series recently, played through 1 up until the Mage Towers and dropped it because I wasn't enjoying it at all, skipped 2 since it was obviously going to be more of the same, completed 3 and had a great time, and completed 4, which was okay, but not good enough that I'll ever want to replay it. Overall, not a very good series with 3 as the only standout title.

And yet Holla Forums still hates Dishonored. Amazing. I know it's more of a casul majikal assassinz game but it has everything in your greentext.

IMO, I would like to see the old thief games in a modern engine; they are just too old for me to properly enjoy. Sure, they might have been groundbreaking then but not today. It's also not the pretti graffix I'm worried about, it's the actual engine of the game which enhances comfy.
I liked nuthief unironically except for everywhere they forced combat, which was mostly closer to the end of the game. I do, however, agree with everyone else that nugarret has no charm or humor, and that the levels should have been bigger and more accessible.
I only tried thief 2, and didn't go past the first level, so maybe there's a less hyped thief game that's actually better?
One thing I DID like in the old ones was not having a minimap to hold my hand.

For christ sake.

Let me guess, you have played Thief 3 in the 3rd person perspective, right?

The difference is negligible except to original fans.
And yet Dishonored got rave reviews and gotys. hmmm

You got meme'd. See, what happens is anons will start off by expressing their genuine opinion about a game they like, only to be shit on. This continues in dozens of threads until they decide that being genuine about what they like is a lose/lose situation, and instead embrace "ironic" shitposting and go full contrarian. If you like something popular, you're a shiteating casual. If you like something niche, you're a cuck hipster autist. The only way to "win" is to not like anything, and this is where the "Holla Forums hates everything" meme comes from.

Case in point:

It is pinnacle of game design, console faggots won't appreciate it, but it has outstanding non-linear levels, immersive athmosphere.

It's not a coincidence that he liked playing both Commandos and Tenchu series as neither of them is played in the 1st person (disregarding one title), but none of OG Thief games. Still, there is a mystery why he liked Thi4f.

You might also produce some arguments why you consider Thi4f a good game instead of bleating about memes and shit.

*he → you

They're great. They codified the stealth genre. Thief II has (arguably) yet to be surpassed.

But I like Dishonored.
It's not a stealth game, though.

form your own opinion you fucking sheep

Pretty fucking great. Though as a whole I prefer the MGS series

Yeah because Dishonored did it two years earlier. Thi4f just came off as a shitty attempt to revitalise the series by copying another one instead of improving on what made the originals good.

It's not ironic to shit on Dishonored for being a bad stealth game, that is the entire reason i shit on it. It is a bad stealth game. Why? because it's more fun to fuck off with the stealth and just go full rambo, that's why. The biggest selling point of a stealth game, the stealthy bits, is the most boring way to play Dishonored.

Well it comes from Anons like you, who can't comprehend that not every user you're talking too is the same one and the ones that shit over everything tend to actually be the minority. Especially meta stuff.

How can you tell how good the series is if you've played less than half of the first game and none of the second? The third game is good, but Thief 2 is the standout and improved on Thief 1.
There's always going to be contrarians, but pretending to not like things just to fit in with shitposting autists is retarded.

Metal Gear Solid V

el oh el
No.

Faggots like you make this board look and feel like cuckchan Holla Forums again. Probably sucking off Razorfist while you're at it, don't you?

we have IDs here you know
this is embarassing

I wish more people were like you and got a fucking clue.

I like the multiple ways to solve a challenge.

It honestly pains me that bunnyhopping isn't in Thief 2 when most of the fanmissions are made in it. It's so much easier getting around large FM's in T1 even if you can kill yourself if you get too much momentum.

MGS isn't a stealth series and never was. I'm not shitting on your favorite game, I'm mocking you because you're one of those people who think MGS = stealth game, probably because MGS2 was the first game you played that had sneaking in it.
Also,
el oh el
No.

>moss arrows
Gaymers with nostalgia goggles will defend this shite

I'll grant you that it's a stupid idea, but it serves a useful gameplay purpose. And in terms of breaking immersion, it's nothing compared to most modern games, where you can do magic shit all the time, see through walls, jump and climb like a chimpanzee on crack, or heal fatal wounds by just waiting for a few seconds.

I never put thought into it, but thinking about it, that's as pleb as it gets. Gonna turn it off when I do my yearly run.

whats your problem with them?

wow like what
that's pretty magical
that's not very magical
haha
xD a chimpanzee on CRACK? WHO GAVE CRACK TO A CHIMPANZEE THAT'S THE WEIRDEST THING I'[VE EVER HEARD XDD SO WRONGGGG YOU'RE WEIRDING ME OUT WITH YOUR DISTURBED IDEAS

The limited, realistic movement of T1/T2 forces you to be careful and stealthy. In Th4if and dishonored your movement is overpowered compared to your enemies, so there's no tension or reason to stealth.

You're trying way too hard.

But circular.

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Just tried it without a second screen and it does the same thing. Thanks for your help though.