Vidya Psychology: The Mindset of The Defensives

OP pic most likely triggered deletion, so here we go again.

Here we will talk about the Cult of Personality, and why people defend multi-billion dollar companies. We aren't bashing a single company, but rather taking a step back to analyze and understand the apologists further, and why they do this. This is not a thread made to bash the average consumer, because they do not feel this strongly to a corporation.

I always think it's due to corporate centered bigotry.

People cannot accept that their favorite company isn't all it's cut out to be, but they'll keep defending it due to the love they built up for it since children, along with societal pressure and being outcasts due to wrongthink, so they'll be determined to defend them until the very end, even if they don't particularly like them.

They say we grew up, but they themselves still enjoy the new games even when old, they are forgiving and keep buying a mediocre product. So it may have to with the bar being lowered and standards dropping immensely. Never going back to older games and enjoying the effort and care that was put into them, even with limitations.
Really wish I could have archived the first thread, I was getting REALLY good info out of it. If you have a backup/archive let me know

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What was the OP, unspoilered porn?

It was most likely you having all your posts wiped for talking solely about political cancer.

It was spoilered, but people seemed to be bothered by the euphenism. It's funny how everyone posting seemed to be cool with it and the thread was ripe with good discussion.

That wasn't me, user.

Came expecting an insight into the minds of tank anons, got the old fanboy spam argument. Well played.

Look man I'm sorry you got blown the fuck out by someone else on the board.
Do we really need a thread for something all of us already know?

People spend hundreds of dollars on something and want to believe that it's going to pay off. It's not rocket appliances.

Then let us take morph discussion to the shape you want it to, user. I'm all ears

I wasn't even arguing with anyone to begin with though, I don't know what kind of mindset you are on, if that it's the first thing you think of. You may be a good subject.

The sunken cost fallacy. Every time. People want things to work out. They want to belong to the cool clique. They don't want to be apart, to admit that they fucked up. Elementary shit there, Watson.

It's no secret this board is virtually all idorts, save for the occasional /lefty\pol/ faggot that shows up to try and garner political allegiance from the board.

You never answered my question, OP! Was that dude suckin' his own dick or what?

Reminds me of this autistic dude who was a coworker of mine a few years ago. He'd defend bioware and bethesda to the death, insisting that bethesda was LOLSOCREATIVE because "they create their own world, that takes a lot of imagination!"
He also thought thought bioware=god because KOTR was good, therefor all of their subsequent releases must be good by extension. He'd defend mass effect games and what not

Here's a sample of his deviantart

Woah, dude, spoiler that shit, jesus christ.

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Why do they keep defending it though? I said it was an escapism earlier. Is this just a lack of willpower, to admit the faults that they have and move on? Can't they stop to try to enjoy something else. It feels like a painful way to live, and they use that pain to defend what they keep trying to escape to. They're afraid of having their world view shattered, and are fragile.

CUCKCHAN 2.0 HERE WE COME

Maybe in this discussion we can discover we previously didn't know or hadn't thought of. It's not a very good thing to presume that everybody else knows the exact the same thing you know. Even if we are preaching to the choir that doesn't mean that it's a bad thing, you don't see in church the priest suddenly saying: "ok the choir already knows what I have to say, so they can take a ten minute break to smoke a cigar in the back, while I preach to the non-believers", sometimes you need to preach to the choir either to combat discouragement(when everybody else says that a thing is B, you need someone that agrees with you that the thing is actually A) or to strengthen the argument. Furthermore, I'd rather have a discussion on why do people defend companies or even e-celebs to death, than a console war thread, or a LOL thread or a 4AM thread. Lastly, if you don't like it then don't post.

As far as I can make out, it's because they want to belong to something. That's all I can think of when it comes to why they'd be defending it so much.

It's like how you see the dorky kid who wants to sit with the cool kids at lunch. They keep shutting him down because he doesn't fit the bill, so he dumbs himself down more and more until he does.

Only to realize that the cool kids still don't like him because they moved onto something else without him even knowing. It's a pretty vicious cycle, and without the proper grounding, it's no wonder these people defend it over and over again.

On one hand, it's grating, but on the other, it's understandable.

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Of course, we are the exception. Unfortunately, also the minority. If you go into nearly any gaming website, you'll see people sucking chode and wanting validation and attention.

Brand loyalty is hell of a drug.
Really, fanboys see an attack on their brand as an attack on them personally.

Source?

Because they live vicariously through it. They have nothing else going for them. Eric Hoffer wrote about this sort of thing when it comes to politics, but I think it applies to everything else also.

Passionate hatred (which the fanboys show for anyone who criticizes their precious brand) fills an otherwise empty life with a sort of purpose.

Nigga, it's been 32 years it has, and always has been the sense of inferiority and covetousness for vidya on a platform that at the time, the person in question is capable of owning that tends to feed into a resentment of ulterior platforms that repeats the cycle of revulsion to the notion of not having the games on another platform. It was the same back then, it's the same now, and it evaporates the moment someone gets more than one system that generation.

What do you expect from the board that turned censorblade into a meme. I'm mostly shocked about the fact that people can't seem to understand that they can have a favorite whatever despite it's flaws. I like the shit SE and Atlus puts out but fuck defending those kikes, I would rather defend the devs that churn out the games I like. At most it's like picking your poison when it comes to spending your shekels on your game of choice because (((publishers))) love to squeeze an IP out for as much as they can. There are degrees of garbage and there are some universally hated companies and devs that we can all agree on but last I checked having an opinion isn't bad if you can back it up.
But remember, rule 8 comes in many forms. :^)

While that might be true for consoles and even graphic cards, it doesn't explain the fanboism for video game companies, and I am not talking about people who suck EA's dick, but insult people who suck Ubisoft's dick, I am talking about people who suck all the companies dicks and get extremely defensive when they get called a faggot.

There are two types of fanboy:
1) people who are passionate about video games that can't see beyond their own biases
2) shills that employ guerilla marketing tactics
The former are vulnerable and lonely and long for acceptance and belonging, so they gravitate to their media for solace and with the hope that they can forge some meaningful relationships with others who might also share their interests. The latter will sometimes pretend to be the former, and they are usually paid by some media group that wants to push an agenda, so it can be difficult to tell the two apart. The first group will usually grow out of their stupidity, but not all of them will abandon their biases.

Passion, limited experience, tribal mentality and general stupidity, along with corporate meddling, all contribute to the cultivation and maintenance of a fanboy. Professional sports team fans are a great example of the worst kind of tribalism imaginable, but every subculture that is predicated upon an industry is subject to this type of behavior; goths, punk rock, "rap culture" and, more recently, the cancerous tumors that grow around e-celebs. Anyway, it's important to realize that we all have biases, and they are healthy to some extent, but it's wise to keep your biases in check and develop a mental flexibility that will allow you to see beyond your own point of view and consider other ideas.

It does apply to Video game company fanboys. Since they drain their disposable income on new titles from said company.

Look no further than Canadian hockey fans.

I wonder about this, but if someone makes a thread with a poll it will be saged for datamining.

I guess this would also apply to e-celebs fans, since by watching a video from an e-celeb you are using up one of the most valuable resources a human can have, time.


Or Eastern European Football fans.

I reported your shitty thread. This isn't Holla Forums or Holla Forums. Have some threads standards or fuck off.

its simpler than you think it is. people dont like being told what not to like and they cant ignore bait

Canadian hockey fans are crazy? wut

Plenty of them get rabid and salty when it comes to discussing the fact that hockey dares to exist in the United States. They are the only sports fans AFAIK that want the league they watch to be even less relevant. They think the league's problems would be solved by shoving teams in places like Saskatchewan and Halifax.

Not all of them are, of course, but you can't deny there's a very loud contingent of them. I know I'd be loud too if all I had to show for 20+ years of failure was Jim Benning and Craig McTavish.

Oh man, you sound mad as all hell. Did he hit a sensitive nerve, little boy? If anyone should fuck off, it's you with your pathetically short temper. Go in a circlejerk elsewhere faggot, this thread had no reason to be deleted anymore.

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That is true, they waste so much time on their games, they try and compensate by bashing others that don't do the same. This is good, we're back to the progress from the first thread.
So far I have
-Emotionally Attached To Company for one reason or another
-Wastes Time; tries to compensate
-Pride too Big
-Weakwilled and Stubborn; Escapism, Fanboyism, etc
-Pressured by others to do the same
-Singular experience has ruined them; see no other options.

(Checked), but don't give him any more (You)'s. Guys like that love to stir shit and ruin threads.

Yes, true, but with vidya becoming even more mainstream, that number of fanboys has increased and the reasons to vehemently defend a product have increased as well.

How many nuggets are Wendys paying you?

I don't know who's shilling who anymore.

The reason these people defend companies so vehemently is because it's more than just a product to them. The identity of being a fan of whatever comes with it. It's why they can't accept any criticism of their beloved franchises, and corporations.

are you playing along or what?

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Like another user said; they take it personally. Good answer user. I'm getting sad thinking about this honestly.

I don't give a shit about haters.
Maestro is yet to produce not God-tier game, despite all the sticks jewnami puked in his wheels.

You tell me.
us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20755597397

Then why didn't you just ignore the thread?
You just want those delicious (You)'s don't you?
It's okay to have a bias user, as long as you don't shit all over others because they don't enjoy what you do.

I regret clicking this. Jesus Christ. I feel sick.

Says the guy with the gay blowjob folder and the deleted thread.
Better luck next time cuckchan refugee.

That wasn't me. This is me. Check ID's, you moron.

It's a guy defending your thread. So fuck both of you.

Brand loyalty is a very well-documented phenomenon: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_loyalty

This is not specific to video games and never was.

Of course. Though, does it have the biggest influence in vidya or does Hollywood have that seat well taken?

Where do you think you are?

A place of love, understanding and tolerance?

If only.

Some people do just like things.

Yes, but as I said earlier, we are only focusing on those far gone that absolutely cannot tolerate others. It's okay to like things.

Still better than 95% of the net

There's nothing wrong with society.

Hollywood has no loyalites. They just rely on stupid people. You might think Disney is brand loyality, but they produce more than movies. Tv Shows, Books, Clothing, Food, all stamped with the Disney Logo. Other companies like FOX, Miramax, etc will never have that level of success. They've come close with stuff like the Simpsons but they've never stuck gold like Mickey Mouse.

I think I'm missing part of the conversation.

Maestro is yet to produce a video game.

Look, here's the deal.

There are a few out there who could be fairly labeled as delusional fanboys. A lot of the times it's just 8-16 year olds who are pushing their favorite company and treating console wars like they're some sort of spectator sport where they must root for their favorite. It's excusable because they're still kids. Look at Chad Warden and Sammysonicfan.

Then there are the adults who still have this mentality. No right-minded adult is going to go to war or get emotionally involved when talking about which company is the best. If you see these people in real life, chances are that they have some sort of developmental issue.

That all said, there are going to be adults out there who are going to have their specific preferences and the reasons why they like them. Brand name loyalty is not the same as deluded fanboyism.

I repeat: Brand name loyalty is not the same as deluded fanboyism.

People have brand name loyalty in a number of different products. You have people who only drink Coca-Cola products, you have people who only smoke Marlboro cigarettes, and you have people who only play Nintendo video games. They're all consumers who are loyal customers to these companies for personal and sentimental reasons, and there's nothing wrong with it.

Many will characterize the concept of brand name loyalty as foolish, pointing out facts like how they're "multi-billion dollar company" in order to accentuate the narrative that these people are so emotionally attached to such a soulless and cold company that doesn't care about them. Anyone who points this out are actually perpetuating fanboy tribalism for pointing out something arbitrary to make a point.

The grand majority of adults are not going to stores and buying a product for the sole purpose of increasing their favorite companies profit margins and stock value. They're buying a product because they like the way it makes them feel. It could be a brand that their parents used, it could be a brand that they've played since they were children. Whatever the case may be, they do it because of how it makes them feel.

A lot of these adults don't offer criticism of other brands unless they're solicited. Otherwise, they're fine doing what they do without bothering anyone. They get no pleasure in proselytizing.

tl;dr: Brand name loyalty is not bad. Delusional fanboyism is. Don't get the two mixed up.

Good read user

What company do you work for– And are they hiring?

Even better read!

Other times brand loyalty comes because the product is either objectively better or subjectively better. For subjective, let's take the person who mainly drinks Coca-Cola, maybe it's because he dislikes the taste of Pepsi or Dr. Pepper, or how about a person who researched the specs of many different phone companies(Samsung, Apple, HTC) and decided that one of the brands create phones that are overall better for what he needs so he mainly buys from that company, though this isn't the best example, because most people don't buy a new phone every year, at best their phone carrier has an offer in which they exchange their old phone for a newer version for "free".

This not supposed to be compared to regular human relationships, user. This is where you and others are getting it wrong.

This is similar to how SJW's constantly justify their racist beliefs. They constantly think it's okay to have laws and policies that benefit only minorities because "the minorities don't have power" due to "institutionalized racism." This is assuming that white people are an "institution", which they're not. They're a group of people defined only by their race.

Corporations are not people. They're not meant to take care of anyone but their own interests. This is not new or unusual, we've accepted this for fucking years. The grand majority of people understand this, including those with brand-name loyalty.

People like to buy a brand based on how it makes them feel. The product gives them satisfaction, and they like to have more of it. Everyone does this in one way or another. I pointed this out already. You're not reading.

The fact that you characterize Nintendo or Apple's following as "massive cults" just shows what disdain you have for people who don't like what you like. This is childish.

Don't get it twisted, there are those who think the preference in what they buy may actually make them a better person somehow for doing so. This is wrong.

Question is: How is characterizing fans of Apple as part of a "cult" any different from a fan of Apple calling you a simpleton or an unwashed plebian for not liking Apple.

Do you realize you're a pot calling the kettle black here?

The only logical solution to all of this is to leave people and their fascinations and obsessions be, lest we draw scrutiny to our own fascinations and obsessions.

Like the taste of Coca-Cola compared to Pepsi or Dr. Pepper, people's definition of what constitutes better specs from different cell phones falls under their own specific demands and expectations out of what they want from a cell phone. Some want a powerful device for the greatest value, some what the logo on their device.

We can argue the merits of which is a better way to approach buying a cell phone, but people are going to be inclined to what personally makes them happy.

So what you're saying is feels > reals?

People have different perceptions of what is real.

Remember: Perception is reality.

Ah, I see. I better go buy something from Gamestop real quick, then. My perception tells me this is a good idea for the reality I live in.

Good idea user. Buy all of the games and DLC

Of course, I need to help support the developers for their hard work.

No you don't, but other people do think that it's the better thing to do. I think a good example of this, would be the doctors of the 18 century(I think) who would cut the patient's veins in order to draw out "infected blood" so that his body could generate new "healthy blood". Of course this is irrational, as modern science and medicine proved how inefficient and sometimes counterproductive this method is, however at that time it was the rational thing to do in order to heal a person. From the doctor's point of view and from those of that era, what he was doing was rational and scientific.

So be it.

Your decision wont affect me, and I wont accomplish anything to persuade you otherwise.

"Once upon a time, the world was flat."

"Then, all of a sudden, it became round."

Ah, yes. In that case, let me go get a fresh bucket of leeches real quick. Because I am not a doctor and know nothing about medicine, this seems like a good idea to me and is perfectly rational because my grandmother told me one time.

Thank you for respecting my consumer wishes, user. I'll be sure to let your PR manager know how good of a job you did.

Fucking hell, you're on a roll

If you think your way is the right way and everyone who is right should follow it, doesn't that make you exactly like the elitist Apple users who spit on everyone else who doesn't buy like them?

You don't buy things because of how morally sound the decision will be, so what is your reasoning and how is it truly different from anyone else's?

4chan is infesting Holla Forums.
Then why are they getting emotionally invested?
Why are you proving the dude's point?
What the fuck am I reading? My dude, are you retarded?
So the industry goes to hell faster and in heavier force, right?
Imagine that, you were actually projecting.

I just don't buy anything. Problem solved.

Welp, piracy wins again.

Your opinion =/= fact.

But you are entitled to it.

Oh, now you're just being a cocksucker.

Corporate shills should go back to Reddit and 4chan. I'm sure the contract just says you have to advertise for a few posts, not suck their cocks too.
Kill yourself.

Oh right, nevermind, perception.
As long as I don't perceive any of this as a problem, it's clearly not. Don't need to call the firefighters for my neighbors then!

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I am not saying that if you believe in something, it makes it true, but that if you believe in something you will act as if that thing was real. If someone believes that he can eat mercury without dieing, it doesn't mean that he is immune to mercury, but that he will act as if he was, maybe he will demonstrate his "ability" by eating mercury on live, of course he will die, but he acted that way, because he believed it to be true. That is the thing about us humans, we might not be rational and objective machines, but we act thinking that we are and in accordance to what we believe to be real and rational, no matter how irrational or unreal that our believes might be.

Ah yes this man suffers from cancer, as a doctor with years of experience and practice that studied at the most prestigious University of Medicine and was also an honor student, I can tell that the best cure is to either irradiate the patient with gamma rays and X-rays or to inject him with radioactive iodine and if he doesn't die from radiation poisoning, he might get cured from cancer, of course his hair will fall, his health will greatly deteriorate, he will never be the same person as he was before the "cure" was administrated, but hey this is what CURRENT YEAR medicine says it's best.
I hope that one day a cure so good for cancer will be developed, that this current method of curing, will be seen with the same eyes as a doctor cutting the veins of his patients in order to heal them.

Holy Shit

Then maybe you should stop the guy before he fucking eats mercury you goddammed idiot.

The trick isn't just to not support what you don't like, any retard can do that.
The trick is actually to support what you do like so they last longer than the competition.
Build a future for the devs you want to succeed since you can't realistically ruin the devs you want gone.

>I was getting REALLY good info out of it
and what are you gonna do with info rabi?

What if that guy is a SJW?

Admitting that opinions aren't facts isn't meant to be satisfying.

Stop getting angry over video games.

Whatever.

Dumb people should die for their dumb mistakes and dumb faggots should be scammed out of their money to serve as practical lessons for everyone else.
Remenber when some hackers shutdown Razer servers and a bunch of faggots couldn't use their mouse&keyboard anymore? Should anyone have stopped them from buying those products? Fuck no, they deserve what came unto them and it served as a neat cautionary tale about having your device's configuration in the cloud.

There's only one point where you need to intervene, which is when that kind of dumb mistakes actually generates a fuck ton of people taking advantage of them to the point they will start pestering you as well. For reference, this is one of the reasoning for the police to go after dealers instead of just letting the crack heads OD themselves.

However, since we are dealing with a free market here, there really isn't any suggestion that doesn't just end up being something similar ESRB but for marketing and quality regulating the market itself. Or worse, the government.
These kind of things happen in a free market and removing them involves removing the "free" part of it, always.

You sound like a pleasant person, user.

Sadly this isn't exactly a free market, since there are companies like Ubisof that get subsidized by the government archive.is/LNzPu so they can make a few bad games that don't sell and not feel any burden in their budget. There's also the issue of intellectual property, that some libertarians consider it to be unjustifiable and only exists because the government enforces it. Furthermore ESRB has a legal monopoly on labeling games in America, so at least this part is regulated by the government. Finally, if the game is deemed too offensive(say a game in which the holocaust is denied and you kill the elite jews) could get banned, but that is also true for movies.

I got a fuck huge backlog, I highly doupt i'd miss out if video games stoped being produced

So you're saying piracy is the key to saving the industry?

You're mixing things there. It's not just a specific company getting money, it's a government incentive to move jobs into their country.
Plenty of similar initiatives for many other jobs and situations and several other countries as well. In mine at least, 1st time trainees have 70% of their salary paid by the government so they can get some work experience, for instance.
That news was mostly Canada trying to fuck with Britain and getting a few high-paying jobs to move there.

Now, if they use this opportunity to garner leverage and manipulate what content appears in games produced by that company, that's an entirely different topic you might as well go ask the television, radio and movie industry as well.

You're mixing libertarians with communists\anarchists. Liberatarians don't actually have a problem with intelectual property as long as someone can hold it and actually uses it.
That was the idea I got the last time I spoke with them, and it's not an argument considering there isn't a single libertarian country\city\regime, never was and never will be.

That doesn't make it any better, it essentially means the government gets to decide what you can or can't see. With the ESRB, at least it's just a rating you don't even have to worry about if you're not underage but if they had the power to decide what DLC\Expansion Packs can be sold and at what price, they'd actually have full control over content released and the ability to ruin companies by changing the price for the shit they sell.

Want to make an expansion pack for Europa Universalis that adds Nazis? Nope, that's not "tastefull", it's illegal. Smaller company known for making echi shit wants to make a DLC that adds 3 new busty girls? Sure, you can sell it. For 0$, no profit for you.
It's already bad enough they can label any game that dares to try more mature themes with an AO rating and it's never sold anywhere ever, they really don't need even more control over the industry.

Yeah, look at hollywood for a live example of why this shit shouldn't be done. I'd rather endure yearly releases of CoD and it's DLC for retards while I enjoy my niche shit than have the FCC or ESRB step in and ban everything but Madden.

Sicck burn dude

people like things they had a good experience with, and their experience vary depending on their knowledge of better games. more news at 11.

Okay here I'll sum up how this works on Holla Forums:
If you talk about a game or company in any sort of way that doesn't involve shitting on it you're defending it.
No further questions? Good, we can now close this thread.

Holla Forums is one of the best training camps and even doubles as a bunker for the coming industry crash. We have plenty of rations to last several blowouts and the confiest place on earth. At this point, I'm sure people have backlogs so extensive you'd have to make it a full time job to play videogames just to go through it.
Even better when you get older consoles or emulators and further expand it.


It's the first step, but it's not enough. It kills the infection but if there's nothing to take it's place, you're gonna end up with a barren world.

There are still a few devs out there that try new stuff and do good games, games that you might like. I'm not gonna tell you who they are, you alone know that for yourself.
What you must understand is that if you support them, they'll last longer than the competition, especially indiedevs or small teams that don't actually have to make that much money to be profitable. And while everyone around burns, they thrive.

For instance, Looking Glass studios went down but the guys that worked there are making a new Ultima Underground game that seems to have impressed their fans. So while several shitty devs try their hands at crappy "rpgs" and barely break even, those guys seem like they are gonna make it and survive because they respect their playerbase who in turn supports them. And once companies like Bioware go down, they'll still be around.

tl:dr it's not enough to kill the roaches, you gotta seed the garden as well.

I thought this was going to be about people who play the defensive in multiplaying player vs. player.

Capitalism makes men into beasts.
WHAT I BRING IS LIGHT
WHAT I BRING IS A STAR
WHAT I BRING IS
AN ANCIENT SEA

user. You know it's not like that, go check the Comfy Nintendo thread now, or the SEGA thread. You don't see anyone bashing everyone there for liking something they don't, as often as you'd think. It's only when you mention outlandish things [X corporation] has done and stick to defend them, even though you know it's not morally justified to have the big dogs walk all over the smaller people, legal or not. That's when people accuse you of being a drone, because you favor a company so much that you don't care about what they can do to others, it is all fair and square to you. Of course, I assume you're a good egg and don't defend every. single. thing [x corporation] has done and only feel sensitized because of the many views expressed here in such a raw way.

Thank you, Captain Obvious. It's as if I made this thread to delve deeper into that or something.

Bloodlettling is used to remove poison from blood veins, what they did wasn't exactly barbaric.

Bloodletting was used for releasing "bad blood" that was causing illnesses. It was still a superstitious practice, it just happened to actually turn out to have legitimate benefits later.

This. Capitalism is the religion of white people. The biggest and only obstruction to the institution of a worldwide socialist system has been these white porky scum. The only way we can stop this is compulsory abortion of all white babies. Workers of the world unite against this porky menace! Fuck your white gods!

user, I enjoy having my limbs in one piece

Thought this thread was going to be about people who play the defensive in multiplayer games. I'm fucking disappointed that this thread is actually Communist psychoshit.

>>>Holla Forums

I honestly forgot that I had already posted this. Is this how Australians feel?

Probably. Also, explain your stance. I do know that kikes that hijacked psychology about a few millennia years ago and turned it into a fucking joke, even when recovering back about 80 years ago, to further enable degeneracy. I'm steering from that.

I thought it would have been a normal thread asking why people play the defensive in video games rather than the offensive. Instead I got:

I mean, it's true. How many packs of fanboys have you seen snap out of their rival-like trance all at once? It's hard to convince people that they have nothing to gain by being a walking, stubborn advertisement, and that the colossus of a corporation isn't going to thank them personally.
It may be a superiority complex as well. "I like this more than you, so it makes me better! No one likes [x] more than I do! Praise [x company], they're the best and can do no wrong"
These people are different from the regular Joe that simply likes [y product] because fun things are fun.
It's funny how people have gotten memes from halfchans silver age and are JUST using them now after certain entity's have become spoiled from the inside.
sorry for dissapointing you earlier

sage

Curse you and your sages! I'm ruined!

I don't think fanboys are that big of an issue user. I think the problem lies in the fact that they're fanboys to companies who have stagnated and haven't been putting out anything worthwhile. Many of the biggest plagues upon video gaming used to produce good shit. We've yet to determine why these companies have stagnated though, perhaps it's because they've run out of ideas, perhaps it's a lack of new blood, perhaps it's because the new blood have been Neo-Commie subverters who want video games to be classified as "art" in the same way a woman shoving paintballs up her cooter is "art". Who knows.

I don't think people actually care about the companies, it's just the common ground for a pissing match. You're analogy of children is correct.

Take two kids, one likes Microsoft, the other likes sony.

Kid A would say his chosen platform is better because of Y games.
Kid B would also say this.
Eventually they would run out of games to dickwave about and start to talk about how their console has superior specs etc.
Eventually they would run out of hardware to dickwave about so they start to bring up every shitty thing that the company has ever done.
Eventually both kids would run out of steam and the argument would end. Unfortunately their are millions of them, who will happily go through that cycle again and again with different people, as long as they can THIS TIME prove that their choice is the best choice.

It's basically this;
Company [X] makes excellent videogames for a few years, then later down the road the get acquired by [Titan Entertainment] so Company [X] has a mass restructuring. Since they already have millions of fans by hook, line, and sinker, they decide to just go the cheapest, most efficient route and stop caring as much about the quality about who they hire, rather, they start caring about names, and promote the wrong people.

They don't even have to be acquired by a bigger company, get new writers or be political, sometimes they get stale over time without any of that (as we've seen with some franchises), though there are a few projects that are still made with passion.
Then newer fans come in and those are the dumbed down casual ones, those newer fans bring competition to older diehard fans (even though a lot of the older group left) and the most determined oldfags don't want to be left out in the crowd and it becomes a shitfest. Then some newer fans are influenced by the older autists and the cycle continues, and the deterioration continues. Not every situation is like this of course, sometimes fans are messed up to begin with, or there is bad timing. Either ways, most things go bad or simply die out.

There are way more details, but this is as condensed I can make this exemplification without filling the thread, and making one big tl;dt.

Holy shit, I just said this as well.
Good timing user. Well put.

It's simple tribal mentality in the modern age. I think it's pretty easy to understand honestly. It's projected everywhere in society not just with company vs company shit either. You see it in veganism vs normal diets. Main "right wing" party vs main "left wing" party. And of course you see it in product wars, sexualities, everything. People attach these things to their identities and products and companies are part of this. Most people don't like to have their identities attacked or are not critical enough to look inward at themselves so they'll project an unworthy amount of loyalty to things that don't deserve it. Videogames and console wars are simply another aspect of this.

but seriously, fuck my teammates

Your post made me realize I have a personal connection to Holla Forums and get pissy when halfcucks insult it because i see them as subhuman. Fucking wew lad.

Where do you think we are?

There are no reals when it comes to video games. Any value comes entirely from how playing a game makes you feel.

How horrible, no wonder we're in this mess. Garbage people have shit taste and made shit decisions that ultimately fueled the current state of vidya.
So, it not the vidya industry who is the problem but the people supporting it
WE. MUST. PURGE.

bump

PURGE

Simple. It's part of the conditioning to turn people into hyperindividualized consumers. The idea is that instead of forming natural in-groups based on blood, you form groups based upon some identity sold to you, whether that's being a sexual deviant or a fanboy. Ethnic in-groups run counter to business practices, from small scale boycotts in the collective interest of the ethnic group, to the merchant's economic nightmare of physical removal. Better that your tribal inclinations be leveraged to increase revenues from the next console, or increase votes for certain political parties.

The neurological mechanisms are such: a sufficiently powerful frontal lobe can suppress impulses from other areas of the brain on a case by case basis (don't do x, because it's racist, don't say y, because it's sexist) with sufficient conditioning; it cannot stop or erase them, but you can consciously suppress them. An ethnic population that has enough individuals with sufficiently powerful frontal lobes to collectively suppress instinctual behavior in favor of conditioned behavior can be fatally harnessed as deracinated consumers.

Ultimately, it's self-defeating, because without an ethnic consciousness, any population that's even capable of this large scale conditioned behavior will decline to the point that the process to condition them itself will break down.

At this point, is it starting to reverse and people are slowly centering, going back to default?

kk

Okay, hold the fucking phone, that cannot be a thing, it just can't. Nobody is going to pay like 3-4 times the price of a ps4 just for a fucking LE,

I don't feel nothing wrong with defending my favorite game companies tbh

It's when they go to shit that I cannot defend.

Retards shell out $1000 to fund kikestarter games, buying a $800 PS4 seems breddy normal.

Nigger, you could replace company/product with family/friends and it would also make sense.

It is estimated that 95 % of the whole word population are spiritually hardwired. Observe your fellow folks around you and this assumption isn't far from the truth, because there is a ridiculously high amount of people, who thirst for a dogma that guides them. That is (1) to withdraw from responsibility (any form of guilt) and (2) to achieve short term satisfaction (irrigation in order to ease their (subconscious) mental suffering).

One of those short term pleasures are is doing things out of habit or what "they" think is right. This is why rarely somebody questions their social environment they grew up with - especially people with an abusive family tends to be very delusional about his actually fucked up situation. We are, after all, bio psychologically hardwired to obey and even praise our parents; it would go against our very primitive drives to question what should be supposedly good for us.

Now back to vidya: now apply the dogmatic thinking, resulting from being spiritually hardwired, that makes you believe in a certain system. Believing that what they associate with positivity in their childhoods has to be positive in their adulthoos too, right? Of course not. As a child, you have no experience in anything hence every vidya you play is basically the shit. In teenaga/adult years they develop the melancholic longing for the past "nostalgia" and do the error of trying to carry over the emotional semblances into their presents. They believe anything can be felt or be like in the past without acknowledging the fact that when their bodies alter, their minds also do.

To conclude their rationale: What should be good to someone (family or a beloved product) has to be good irregardless of the circumstances you get in.

The principal of consistency. A good example is when a cult's expected doomsday comes and goes without event. People can either admit they were stupid/mistaken or can double-down (requiring all kinds of mental gymnastics). The second option let's them maintain the illusion of being chosen/superior/special, the first requires admitting painful truths and self-reflection.

Look at Robert Cialdini's 6 principles.

What day was the previous thread on?

This is what a total lack of perspective looks like. When was the last time sports team fans committed a fucking genocide? Get your head out of your ass.

Don't let this thread die, or at least not unless somebody replied to my autistic post

Stopped reading there.
Its called "post purchase rationalization" and we have discussed this subject to death, for years.

Good luck with your thread, and I mean that honestly, we really do need some good discussion on this board but who really want to read overly long explanations and speculation for what is really basic concepts.


I am giving you a bump even though I dont particularly care for this repetitive topic but because I think it holds potential to further educate others including the new people on this board.

It'd be a brilliant observation without dumb shit like:

Your autistic post hinges entirely on everyone being "spiritually hardwired", something you never explain nor prove or give any sources for. Everything else can be discarded after that, especially since that's not how the human brain begins to begin with.

On the contrary, we are meant to engage with about 200 people only. Past that point, newer ones either replace previous people in your memory or don't register at all. It's not like you'll completely forget anyone, you just won't think about them again at all.
This you can actually find sociology studies to back it up. I'd google one for you but I'm a lazy shit and it's not like you deserve it since you didn't do anything similar to begin with.

And because of that previous point, we tend to associate and keep together with the people\things that mean the most to us for any particular reason. If a company\author provides a good source of entertainment, that'd be a reason to stick with them.

I'll go with this.
Huge emphasis on guerilla marketing, it's very prevalent. Think about it. Information and opinion has become a relatively valuable commodity. So many people struggle to find work, more might be resorting to selling their soul than we can possibly know, because keeping a low profile is part of the job.
You should assume that viral is the norm, not the exception. Of course, many folks are doing it for free, even paying to make themselves a walking advertisement. The difference may be that pros actually employ some strategy and don't waste time defending or arguing, they just open a new thread or hijack one to make the game visible at all times, any excuse to post it will be used. The pro does the posting, the fanboys stay and defend.
There's no point in trying to tell paid shills from free ones, both do as much damage and they both should be treated like the wastes of air they are.

I don't like this line of thinking, were anyone speaking positively about anything must have an ulterior motive to it or some kind of mental problem.

Word-of-mouth, recomendations, reputation, all that was and still is something that should dictate how the market changes. Those are the tools of the people against the corporate scumbags that just want money.
Throwing all that under the bus with the "shill" buzzword is like tossing away a toolbox just because someone else misuses those tools.

For instance, word-of-mouth used to be how small studios would get their shit popular. People would play those games and do the marketing for them since they couldn't. Cave Story might be a great example here, and many STALKER fans started playing it because they heard it here from someone else.
Of course marketing teams are gonna try the same trick and pretend they just want to share stuff, but since ultimately it's your decision to buy\play it and you can even often pirate it, it's only a problem if you're naive.

I don't think people talk about the games they like for a "need of acceptance", since if you want to go that road, we all feel that need to some degree.
Rather they share what they like because it's cool to talk about what we know and get other people interested in it. Maybe even pickup something from them too.
And maybe they do it here on Holla Forums because for many people this shithole actually sounds and looks really friendly.

Recommendations and reputation are also a big thing. Bioware or Bethesda could come here and marketer their games as much as they want and there could even be people genuinely trying to convince you their games are actually good. Those companies have their reputation making sure there's no reason to believe any of that.
So in the end, marketing is only as effective as their ability to build up reputation. As long as everyone keeps focus on that (and this means pirating the odd game to see if things changed) then shilling shouldn't ever be a problem either.


It honestly feels that a large portion of Holla Forums's userbase thinks everyone else here is so gullible or retarded that the moment someone says "you should buy X", money starts flying out of their wallet.
Stop treating yourself like you're a naive retard, Holla Forums. You're better than that and you know it.

Interesting

Has anybody in this thread mentioned how this works both ways?

You get people that defend companies to death and people that will shit on everything no matter what.

Isn't it really just because people want to feel part of something?

Yes.

sorry for repeating

Also this is a really smart post

archive.is/sITsR
It's all real user

Nevermind, i just learned that someone paid 4k in shekels for a gaystation - a fucking gaystation,
SONY MADE A REAL GENUINE GAYSTATION WHAT THE FUCK

You could say they fell for the 4k meme.

Has it ever occurred to you that people are capable of formulating positive opinions on things you do not like without the need of viral marketeers (paid or otherwise) coercing them?

With that in mind, are you aware that people will have opinions that either differ or conflict with your very own, and that's not an automatic excuse to brand them as enemies or shills or life unworthy of life or whatever hyperbolic reactionary brand you give them?

I have a message for you: Everyone is not out to get you and the things you love.

It's OK, there are people who don't bother reading the thread and your post entices them

Probably the same reason people will become rabid fans of sports franchises, even when the teams are composed entirely of people foreign to the state, or the country. Why the fuck could you get worked up about your home team when 3/4 of your team was imported from Africa or Central/South America? Why would it matter at that point if you win or lose? It's not the local boys representing the home team anymore. Just a bunch of actors bringing in money for a corporation.

OP talks like a fag, and his shit is all retarded

Nice bait

But I've seen it abused by corporate scumbags pretending to represent the people.


You can have positive opinions without being a cock sucker.
It takes a lot of over-exposure before someone actually bothers telling you to fuck off.
The things I love are already ruined, thanks for your concern.

We're all here for a reason bro, I know that feel.

I went off on a little rant in the SEGA thread if you care for itm