PC Gaming

Holla Forums how is possible that something with so much potential as PC gaming falls so short in practice?

I mean it's a community capable of modding, open source, drm-freedom, easy experimentation and innovation, compatibility with basically anything, and we got?

Steam, reddit, lootboxing, skins market, scams, effortless vidya (with honorable mention to Todd recycling the same engine for 10 years or something), shady crowdfunding, early access, microtransactions and even the death of stuff that are almost signatures of PC, like: RTS, Arena FPS and dedicated servers.

I know all about the 2007 meme, but for me that only justifies all the destruction on the console and mobile part, which in my opinion never stood a chance, but there is a certain level of freedom associated with PC, and I don't get how this corruption managed to get where it got.

What happened, Holla Forums?

"Anti-piracy" faggotry happened.

Retards buying into it

Whats to still not fucking get. SJW and corporate bullshit took charge. Games are all going to suck no matter the platform for a while. Move on, and go play old classic.

Why would a lower bar to entry produce higher average quality? I don't understand your confusion.

The average consumer is a retard. That's no different for PC consumers. In fact, since there are more people with PCs than consoles, it only makes it easier to pull some jewy shit that screws up the whole ecosystem. This is why Windows is the dominant operating system. Also Gamebryo did nothing wrong, Bethesda is just incompetent.

What are you talking about? Things are better now that we have japs putting games on PC.

PC gaming = FPS with an inventory system. All those top 10s and rants about complex gaming can be reduced to this. Normalfags pretending, as always.

Simulators used to be the parameters of choice, in PC gaming. You played complex, hulking simulators (flight, mech, strategy) while chad had fun with all his friends on console.

Then RPGs and FPS blurred the line between the two, and you just didn't know where it was more comfortable to play the same games: on the couch, or at the desk. Eventually, all that mattered was that you felt miserable in both places.

You should just stop playing video games and stop being a little bitch. The PC crowd doesn't want you. Get out.

Eh, the ports aren't great and most games from nips aren't nothing to write home about. It is a plus though.

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How come he never hit puberty?

This is the designated sadness because normalfags fucked everything up thread? Right?

There are still tons of games to play with out the parasites of modern society. Dig harder, and stop being a self loathing little bitch or
BECOME ONE OF THEM MUWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHA

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And thats why its still the best platform despite all the jew bullshit.
You can literally ignore all that shit and play what you want, for free if you want.

what's different?

But OP, that shit is also on consoles
At least on Pc we have to option to mod the games into something new, and that's something consoles can't do
Also, remember that the Pc ecosystem is always hindered by consoles (like graphic improvements being stagnant since the last two generations)

Feels good man.

FUCK YEAH LETS CONSOLE WARS THIS BITCH UP

Are AMD processors good now or?

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Have you not been paying attention?


It's been a good year.

Thats pretty impressive.

What can games do with 32 cores?

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They held the intel market for about 4 months
The record was 2 months, now thats progress.
The 400 series of GPUs were better than fucking Ryzen because they were targeted to the middle market where AMD succeeds with better price/performance, Ryzen was nearly all marketing, its shit, better than previous recent CPU by AMD, but still pretty shit, Intel is about to kick their ass with their new bath of CPUs

I'd imagine the 32 cores are probably just the next step for 8 core users, streamers/editors etc. I'm looking to see if the 16 cores are gonna be the next step for just pure gaming setups.

Fuck off Holla Forums. You know full well the blame lies solely on Cultural Marxism and subversion.

Son, I don't believe you quite know what you're talking about.

You misunderstand
Im saying that the RX400 series made more money for AMD than Ryzen.
They were better than Ryzen, for business

Women in the workplace.
Not only it's population control but it's also vidya quality control.

I was thinking of just what could a game do with all of those extra cores.

an anti-intellectualism movement. the same thing that got trump elected

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thank you resident shitposter but i can tip my own

Oh okay, I see what you mean now. That's probably because they released the 1700 and 1800, but then also had the 1700x and 1800x on the way.


Assuming the devs don't cuck out for consoles, I'd imagine you could do some pretty amazing shit.

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Guys give it up, PC is dead.

Niggers, faggots, and jews, want to tightly control everything. There is less control on the PC. Too much power to the user, if the user is smart enough and not a cuck.

It's always niggers, faggots, and jews ruining everything.

Pretty sure I've heard every year for the last 20 years.

people got lazy and didn't want to do everything manually so Steam came in and made everything "easier", along with introducing anti-cheat options, mods, and massive sales to keep the user hooked on what their peddling. What they sell isn't games, but rather accessibility. When you make things assessable to everyone what happens is that casual players start pouring in and destroying the community of games. Along with that so many of the developers are fucking retards and autists that essentially are a detriment to gaming in itself.
I promise you a majority of Steam users would be unable to figure out how to manually install mods or how to troubleshoot their games. Nearly all of them have zero clue how to use command line as well. When you make things easier for users, they no longer have to overcome and evolve their thinking.
Because they make everything easy for their users, people are willing to put up with shitty anti-cheat systems, paid mods, and spying.

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Nah mate, its dead, trust me!

Is it? Is it really? The good people who made breakthrough mods like CS are long gone, either hired by the industry and forced to shit out inferior products or they simply left and have never been replaced. WHO among the GenY faggots is capable of making a good mod or come up with a good new idea for a game? Remember, the most successful indiefag of this generation is a fat semi-autistic Swede who made Not-Legos.

"PC Master Race" reddit shitters brought newfags in along with helping steam become the center of PC gaming. While it did get and refine some good things about console gaming like local multiplayer and also helped the modding grow, it brought in a big influx of developers and publishers who think "Console Game + Good graphics + 4K + 60 FPS = PC Game" and then overshadowing some of the main selling points of PC Gaming with a 4th Gen-tier graphics arms race, once Steam started getting outrageously shilled around "G4YM3RZ" and consoles started becoming shittier PCs rather than gaming devices, it became unstoppable.

Worst part is that Console gaming dying out also helps Mobile cancer take over.

Making rigs is too "hard" for plebs so we'll just have to wait until external gpu's are bundled with laptops.

How do plebs even have money?

That's likely never going to happen. Laptops become less expandable with each generation. Do you have an extra hard drive bay, room for a shitload of RAM, and multiple card slots?

What do you mean by that? Trump supporters killed the PC market? Or are you referring to the cultural marxists and other communists dumb niggers that infected the market with their ideology, posing as intellectual?

Obeying social convention does have a lot of benefits.

At some point laptop manufactures will be forced to do it since chrome books are getting cheaper and cheaper.

You only make it by breaking social convention, do you know how many dicks Steve Jobs had to suck? Of course he'll never tell you he had aids, or that that non-profit committee is actually pocketing lots of money because "we can't have profits, but we can have bonuses".

Villainy breeds stupidity, or rather the reverse, all these IQ 85 cheaters are not obeying social conventions.

I meant in a potential way, like "if X could make it happen so someone else can because he'll have the same if not better tools", but I understand your point.

That's because PC gamers are not that different from consolefags they despise so much. Sure PC is definitely the way to go for someone even slightly intelligent for all the advantages it gives you, but most users are morons who don't understand those advantages and only brag about the cool factor and the fact that they spent more money. Just look at all those cool kids who unironically keep using Yahtzee's drawing of PC Master Race on social media.

And in terms of devs, making PC exclusives taking advantage of hardware superiority is dead. The only exclusives you'll ever see anymore are strategy games.

Developers started all going for consoles as soon as all the normalfags flooded the market, pouring more money there than anything else with some few exceptions.
Valve used Steam as a DRM placebo to settle the shit for brain investors down, PC became more streamlined, Reddit grew and started screaming memes autistically that attracted a shitton of console players, 8th Gen going x86 and the Xbone and WiiU being the turds they are, all this while ASSFAGGOTS also grew somehow, probably the same thing that attracted them to WoW.

Regardless, its better now than it was 7 years ago.
I would rather have everything, AAA, Exclusives, Japanese, Indies, Shovelware than have some AAA, indies and some exclusives.

If anything there are more exclusives to the platform now than 7 years ago

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…and strategy games are basically dead. What fun!

Got a source for that, friend?

Both cultural marxism and "free" capitalism are cancer. The only thing that can save us is National Socialism.

Cruise through the Vault 7 release. There's a ton about Intel, Windows, Android, even fucking Samsung TVs.

Best joke I've seen on Holla Forums today.

Consoles got "HD" and online features. That's literally it.

You can thank AAA and 2007 for that

Crysis had 2 sequels and both of them sold less than the first one on PC alone while being avaiable on all 3 major platforms at the time.
Thief is dead after a console reebot
Deus Ex died after a console reebot
C&C is dead after a console/ASSFAGGOTS focused entry
Medal of Honor is dead it peaked with Allied Assault in both sales and quality
Both Call of Duty and Battlefield were once PC focused and became shit after two releases with console focus
F.E.A.R is dead
Might and Magic is dead
Wizardry is dead
Quake died thanks to Activision being kikes and now its being raped by good ol Beth.
Bethesda is flailing the bodies of two behemoth franchises and even with them and their braindead dronebase their non Beth Game Studio games still sell below average.

What new FPS IPs have been there recently?
The garbage thats Destiny and Titanfall that the own publisher saboted the release?
AAA is garbage, they've been garbage for a long time.

Christ, theres demand for these games, they could be making a buck by having multiple teams filling different niches, but no, mass appeal for normalfags, 1K teams with a massive bloated budget and lots of marketing with no actual money going into development of the games.


Stop posting OP

I didn't need this today.

or monarchy/caesarism

It's this same level of freedom that allows you to ignore, not support or even change this corruption.

I could be here all day nigger
Lets not also forget that the only good entry on the FarCry franchise was the first one and Crysis is basically a more casualized version if thanks to the suit powers and we will never get a game like that again.

And I still can't believe Relic made a fucking ASSFAGGOTS out of DoW3, what the fuck were they thinking?
They made the game DOA with that shit when the only demand from that franchise was a goddamn strategy, when fucking Total War Warhammer sold great without pulling a fucking move like that.

I'd rather see all these dead series rest than have the corpses dangled in front of the mobile/casual crowd, because that's the only way we'll see some of them again.

Remember Dungeon Keeper.

I'm arguing right now with some Switch fags about why consoles are essentially PC's with exclusives. As shit as the memes about the PC's superiority are, they really are the only way to go. Which is why it's important to stick to your guns on things and keep the bar raised. The largest reason things have gone to shit is because people just don't care anymore, and buy products with terrible practices behind them. Which forces competitors to do the same. Steam is part of the cancer killing this industry for exactly this reason. If you're an indie game developer who wants to make any return for your effort you HAVE to sell it on Steam.

Gauntlet Legend.

I haven't heard anything about the recent gauntlet. Is it any good?

It's fucking terrible.

How come?

Just look at it.

Goddamn, that last one was killed due to kikery alone.

That's the valkryie?
I don't want to see the sorceress, if she even exists in this. I see your point.

There's only four classes.

I am old enough to remember when *shareware* games were good enough to make you feel bad for pirating.

people arent making video games

necromancer i think was added

Necromancer's getting added to Grim Dawn, which happens to be a much better game.

It's fun as fuck with friends, solid 7.5/10 and definitely worth the $5 you can get it for on sale.

thats right, necromancers are also featured in other games

And everquest has clerics

There are many reasons. I think that above all, the market just shrank because of comparative lack of exposure. When consoles were first around, they were cheap devices that played games. Computers were more for work, and thus you didn't have them as much in the hands of those who played games, namely the younger people. As you go forward, the people who made computer games got old and stopped doing so, as the market changed with the kids who played consoles getting older and buying more consoles or stopping playing games. You also had those kids grow up to be the next generation of developers, who developed games inspired by their console days. So in other words, the market for PC-specific games was smaller, and the number of people who cared about that kind of game and developed them also grew smaller with time. I mean, if you look at PC gaming now, it's mostly games that are on other platforms, and are designed to work with controllers. There's not really a concern for the unique facets of a PC, because it's not where the money is and furthermore, it's not what people want or are used to.

Man, multiplayer videogames were a mistake

maybe I'm naive, what games are you referring to here?

Stopped reading right there

The first is Titanfall 2, which I genuinely enjoy, the other, is a guilty pleasure, and it's The Division.

So almost at the end? What about that made you stop then?

I was going to add to it that I feel money is a big part of the issue. I don't have any hard data (of course I doubt anyone in this thread does) so all I can say is based on myself and on what I see here and elsewhere. But on that note, the first thing I see is the disparity in expenditure; PC gamers seem more willing to spend a lot on hardware but then wait for sales on software, or resort to piracy. On the same foot they give more reservation about buying DLC or other money-grabbing strategies, where for console players I see more willingness to buy new and buy extras. Then on the uniqueness front you have the problem of risk aversion; The big companies that could afford to do something really great which would show off PC might are the same ones that worry about a costly blunder and thus stick to what they know works. And because of what appears to be a large erosion of the 'AA' developer, you have the huge gap between the 'AAA' and the 'indie' developers. And so where the AAA have money and won't use it, the indies want to do stuff but have no money.

And then there's matters like 'why develop only on PC when you could develop on PC and consoles and maybe phones and why not the nintendo shit too' and there the financials don't really work in dev's favor either. So from my perspective, it's like, where's the reason to make games ONLY for PC? What's the benefit to a developer to make a game and aim it exclusively at the computer? I don't see much incentive beyond pure personal love for the work, which is of course ideal, but also rarely a realistic approach.

and by 'pure personal love' I mean something like 'I absolutely cannot put this on anything else because it will compromise my vision' or 'this game is going to be for free and will be a total labor of love', examples including things like Xonotic and Dwarf Fortress.

The only angle I really see for PC-only development at this point is in VR, but there you get the same problems as before but compounded by several factors (smaller userbase, even more risk aversion, etc.)

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Now, I'm not saying that it's Quake 3, and I'm not saying that it's flawless, but it's the best FPS I've played in a while.

I'd like to play it but I don't know that I want to support EA.

I bought it for 20-something shekels off of one of those Albanian resale websites.

and yet it's still superior to the locked kiddie boxes that are consoles

That's like asking what a small town will do with a six-lane highway. The thing is, traffic is a gas: it will expand to fill all spaces allotted it; inefficiency in programming is the same way: it will expand to fill all the processing power allotted it.

Games haven't gotten BETTER in over a decade; they've just gotten more and more clunky and inefficient and wasteful, taking up more and more gigs while accomplishing the same or less as older games. Even things like basic web pages require so much fucking processing power that you can't load them without at least a mid-grade computer. A computer that could run 480p youtube videos no problem five years ago will buffer continuously trying to load 144p videos now.

So the answer is: they'll waste them completely. You will still have to BUY them, though, because everything else will increase in processing needs to match them. It's like you're paying money to run on a treadmill: not going anywhere, but the alternative is falling off.

if the games are designed to spread the workload among all or most of the cores, then they would run exceptionally well. it is the way of the future, that old 8320 will probably be good for another decade

That would require them to actually write new engines, which is about as likely as moviemakers suddenly deciding to invent new cameras.

those were the days

And then you have *science people*, actually students in worthless degrees going on protests while waving children's cartoon t-shirts.
And these are supposed to be the pro-intellectualism people. Whose intellectualism amounts to watching a cartoon with a pretend scientist. Doctor who fags too.
Truly the pinnacle of humans.

what are you smoking OP? PC gaming is exactly what you would expect it to be. Anti-piracy happened because of the above.

Consoles are good if you have friends. They're also easy to handle and maintain for someone that doesn't care about creating savestates or files and by someone that becomes overwhelmed by using the complexities of a keyboard rather than a controller. But with how similar consoles are becoming to PCs, there's no reason to stick around except maybe for exclusives. But there's no reason to spend money on games nowadays anyway

Huh? We have PS3 and 360 emulators now? And PS4 and Xbone? Okay, I know those last two have no games, but I'd love to get emulators going for the first two.

You know what I have noticed over the last couple of years. Not getting mad in video games is always a plus. I only use my mic when it is doing "call outs" and that's it. I think I have only ever engaged in two conversations my entire life well playing online games. Why the fuck are kids so fucking pissed off and or chatty kathys now a days? I will still never touch a game like Overwatch though, even if you paid me.

What games does the ps3 and 360 have that you want to emulate? I can think of Dragons Crown and or Demon Souls, thats it.

yes.
It also seems you don't understand basic economic. You see when their is a surplus of supply their is a lowered demand which means the price people are willing to pay goes down. Then when you have the cost of production continue to go through the roof tanks to the competitive nature of the industry then you have a formula that makes it unprofitable to produce. Therefore no games.
sounds like you are an entitled bitch.

Holla Forums isn't one person
You're too reliant on AAA trash
You think PC gaming is only limited to the past decade
You're a faggot of an OP and probably a cuck or kike, or both.

That's because it's not the same kid, he just looks the same because he represents the same role

people are lazy

games aren't easily multithreaded beyond this point
it will happen, but it wont be the same leaps like we saw going to 2 and 4 cores, though to be fair, Intel still selling and people actually buying a quadcore in 2017 is retarded
think there's even a graph going around showing applications in DX12 perform worse when going beyond 8 threads

Greed, lazyness and political pandering.

Also the fact that the market boomed, bringing in more people with different tastes and generally more trash to sift trough.

Anti-piracy is not an issue at all (except to cheapskate fags and thiefs). Developers are 100% justified in such measures.

I don't have a problem with it.
I mean, I prefer sexy supermodels, but c'mon.

It's simple honestly.

1. Memes & Circlejerking
When you repeat something stupid enough times, people start to believe it's true. When enough people believe it's true, they'll defend it like it is.
It's sad that we live in an era where people worship companies that honestly don't care about them.

2. The Barrier to Entry has nothing to do with your product and is a complete joke.
It's all about who you know and how well you can convince retards to buy into your scam.
If you know all the right people, you can become an overnight sensation and write articles on Kotaku about how to make a successful game without ever making a game.

3. Rewarding failure and failing to vote with your wallet.
So, you decided to protest by not buying the game at launch because of shit the devs pulled? And thousands of people are doing the same? Great! That will show th—WHY ARE YOU BUYING IT ON SALE SIX MONTHS LATER?

4. Using the word entitlement wrong.
You are entitled to a working game. You are entitled to a decent product. If you paid for a service, you should get it. Faggots are using the word entitled like they're giving you something for free and people are defending this usage.

5. Being absolutely gullible.
Because you absolutely need Razor™ mouse pads to go with your Razor™keyboard. Don't forget to install the Nvida GeForceExperience™ and the Logitech™ before you start up your game bogged down with Denuvo™.

6. No standards in hardware or software.
There should be a -base- standard.
The lack of standards in PC gaming has lead to developers blaming you , the consumer if their game is an unoptimized piece of shit. 2D games that have higher requirements than 3D games. Unity games that might as well be bitcoin miners with the stress they put on your system.
Software wise, there should be a bare minimum before a game is considered finished.

7. No accountability.
Company, let's see.. Which company did it recently..ah. Enterbrain was the most recent company to do this shit.
You the consumer buy a product, that says you're entitled to free updates to the product. There's currently a problem with your software and you're waiting for the fix. Okay! On the message boards, the developers say they're going to update it soon. Then a few months later, rather than fix the problem, they launch an Enterprise/Professional/ 2/ 3/etc. version of the software, that suprise! has the fix you are entitled to.. in a way you're not entitled to it.
Your complaints fall on deaf ears and the only thing you can do is powerless file an complaint against the company that nobody will ever care about.

Then there's the Early Access scam.

The body is too long. Ohi vey.

I think the faggotry part is people like you looking down on pirates
not really sure how over the course of the last few years it's suddenly cool to spend money that you could have saved, and shit on "lelpoorfagsxd" unironically
you're the same people who will bring us that much closer to PC's being walled gardens that all the corporations cream themselves over in their wildest dreams

Now for the communities.

1. Egos.
People will do EVERYTHING for free. The moment money gets involved, everything changes. Paywalls get erected and people start getting preachy.

2. Power.
When you control the forum. You control what opinions people read. Someone disrespecting your waifu? Ban that fuck and tell everyone to not disrespect her ever again.
Someone proved you wrong? Ban them and delete their comments. The other admins are on your side. They can go elsewhere, but why would they? This is one of the few sites with a decent number of people.( : D) So they're stuck here.

3. Elitism in every form.
You cannot escape it, even on anonymous imageboards.
If a group you're not a part of is the majority, expect to be dogpiled for sharing your opinion.
Attention whores of all genders see gaming as a quick payday because it requires very little effort. Just spout some memes and have a gimmick.

4. Modding.
If a game, without mods cannot stand on it's own. It is not a good game. The developer should not be praised for making a moddable game unless the game was already good without mods.

Modding should be seen as adding delicious sprinkles to already delicious ice cream and cake.
Modding as it currently stands? You're adding sprinkles to a steaming pile of dogshit and declaring it to be the best thing in the world.
Then to add insult to the injury, people act like the mods are part of the game when they praise it, leading to people to buy into the meme that MODS = GOOD.

5. The Art discussion.
If games are art, they have no true definition- - then they cannot be censored, but that means they can be fucked up by faggots trying to push an agenda.

If games are not art, then they have a true definition - - then they must be regulated and censored, but they can't be fucked up by faggots trying to push an agenda

Gaming as a community had a chance to evolve into something great back before the 2010s, but gamers are idiots and we let ourselves get infiltrated by the subversive types and meme spouters. We dug our own graves and took a nice hearty shit in them, it's almost time to lay in it.

Core faster

>imlpying that indies aren't just as bad without even having the years in the industry and the millions that would normally justify them being this lazy

nice blogpost

This is how the subversives won.

what's so complicated that it can't be anwered with a single word?
The answer is profound as it it simple , it's jews

Yeah, that does sum it up. There's a stein or a berg at the top or near the money of everything , despite being only 2% of the world's population.
But I can't go around explaining that to normals and those who are on the fence but are willing to listen. They instantly turn their ears off if you say it.

Nah Ryzen's going to be a huge moneymaker for AMD.

It reportedly costs them $180 to manufacture an 8c chip and they have a rumored yield of around 80%. Infinity Fabric lets them just paste CPUs together and hardware treats it as a single CPU, so they can just do 8+8 to make a 16c/32t CPU for $360 no problem. Intel can't do that, they don't have anything like Infinity Fabric, so they have to do 16c on a single wafer, which drives the manufacturing complexity and expense up and drives yields way down. There's no numbers on how much it costs Intel to manufacture their shit because that's usually a close-held secret but it's much more than $360 for a 16c chip. Ryzen's architecture is also a lot more power-efficient than any of Intel's which is why it doesn't overclock well, so what AMD has is the ability to manufacture higher-clocked heat is a major concern when you're talking about 16+ cores, Intel's largest server CPU is 24c/48t and it's clocked at 2.2GHz base, Naples is 32c/64t at 3.2GHz base, lower-powered, and substantially cheaper server CPUs than Intel, which is a much much bigger market than consumer CPUs because virtualization, machine learning, and cloud services are currently eating the world.

They are going to massive success with a bunch of multi-thousand dollar parts on generic motherboards with no price segmentation, and charge up to $300 for RAID features to be unlocked via a physical key and for some SSD ports to be gimped to only accept Intel solid state products? Is that what you are telling me?

AMD's not going to sweep the market with first gen Ryzen (although it's going to have some interest from video rendering fanatics) but i9 is a level of retard I haven't seen from Intel for a long long time. They are Xeons for stupid people.

at least you have a fucking clue
what the fuck are Intel even doing
solderless hedt cpus
cutting back on pcie lanes
christ

have you looked at any benchmarks whatsoever?
Ryzen is by no means shit
it's not exactly taking the performance crown, but it is insane value for money
imagine buying an Intel quadcore in 2017
those things are not gonna age well

Fuck nothing due to the single-threaded coding that gamedevs still use. And probably why some games like ARMA2/3 run like shit on AMD processors due to the single threaded nature of the programs running on it and on the lower single-thread performance on AMD processors vs Intel processors. That's one thing AMD's Ryzen lacks in: The flagship Ryzen is slower on a single thread than the fastest Intel processor.

I've heard that AMD's Ryzen processors are bottlenecked by inefficient inter-thread communication on a hardware level, or that programs just don't communicate properly using it. (Which can and will be solved by software optimizations) Throwing more cores at the 'performance problem' won't help things unless programs start being coded in a distributed way. I mean, we're already running into speed of light problems, hence that since 2005 we don't have clockspeeds scaling with moore's law. (See image)

Meanwhile, due to the distributed nature of GPUs, we have consistently been getting better graphics enhancements on games. That's because the amount of transistors in integrated circuits has been increasing. It's just that throwing more transistors at CPU design doesn't increase performance due to that speed of light business. And that's why distributed computing is the future.

AMD with OpenGL Next ('Vulkan') was already (succesfully) pushing for compute shaders and multi-threaded rendering built right into the graphics layer allowing CPUs to offload work to the GPU. This is just a stepping stone to true distributed computing…

I predict that in the future:
>Haskell/functional programming will allow distributed and discrete 'tasks' to be run on separate cores and efficient message passing between them result in an increase in computational efficiency and performance. If functional programming isn't the future? Then there will be a domain-specific language targeted for writing distributed programs.

tl;dr: AMD is going in the right direction with distributed computing, Ryzen performance might get better in the future due to software optimizations, computer architecture dramatically will change in the next 8-15 years. Someone screencap and repost in 2025.

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but skylake-x

more grafics

blame the 386 and AMD/motorola for hardware
blame microsoft for still using the 386 on windows
I guess that is just a reflection on the quality of human coders.


chiefly, blame marketing for shifting communities into larger, less diverse playerbases (multi-subculturalism)

there is no ezy tier, med tier, tuff tier difficulty hierarchy anymore
the extremely autistic and the simple have been driven into the same game, and are turned off just as much.

Would it be worth it to organize a group of liars to shill and subconsciously 'market' a game that just happens to be FOSS so that the playerbase is bigger, or would it be annoying to play against those people?
Maybe Holla Forums just wants understandable, somewhat challenging bots (like FEAR, dumb but clear i.e. skill > luck)

Your first error was assuming that "PC gaming" is a community.
I'll make sure it's your last.

*unsheathes katana*

it seems like over the past 5 years the normalfags from consoles have been switching to pc

lack of tools has ensured that modding has taken a major back seat across the board. It's essentially just cfg edits, asset swaps, incredibly basic shit. Devs don't release tools any more, and if they do, it's extremely basic shit and rarely ever the actual tools developers used.

essentially ran by commies these days.

has been a PC-centric issue since the 70s, not going anywhere.

kind-of, there's a major obstacle to this: consumer base.

sorta, this is a complicated thing and anyone who has ever played a game from even 10 years ago on a modern OS will tell you it's not a simple double click and hop in. It's rarely even this for modern games. Once you get into the emulator territory, it stops becoming an advantage of the platform and more just an option.

There's a few key issues here, but it kind of all comes back to money. There isn't enough of an audience on PC and there's a lot of mixed messages about the actual numbers of a reliable consumer base for genre X or Y. You can point to studies that bring in facebook, mmos, dota, or CS, but find the average player for these games and they will mostly say it's the only thing that they play. The consumers we have on Holla Forums are the kind of super-consumers who partake in a variety of genres and fields, become enthusiastic about some genres, these sort of super-consumer exists in other communities and you can find the type on dedicated PC boards all around.

The issue is, this audience is really small on the PC. They tend to be more focused on consoles, likely due to the primary purpose of consoles it attracts these people in a more mainstream sense - whereas a PC intended to have games played on them for numerous reasons is a more niche audience. This is also connected to money - and yes, point to your $300 console killers that can't even run modern releases but has "le specs and numbers that put the PS4 pro to shame!" but the reality is those are joke builds that anyone who seriously bought into should and likely does feel tremendous regret.

I used to care a lot about PC gaming, it was the platform I identified closest with, but I think it's more prone to the shit I hate the most than any other platform. That and the good qualities have essentially been dropped. I saw another post recently where someone described the phrase how "consoles these days are just shitty, locked down PCs" and he turned it around and described it as "PCs are pretty much just consoles these days" and the more I think about it, he's right. Even then consoles have some notable benefits over PC and these perks just simply can't be ignored, things like true ownership, having your games work more often than not, earlier releases, more immediate developer support. The nightmare that was arkham knight was repeated several times this generation, but for consoles? Apart from joke games like black panther or whatever it was or ubisoft tetris, I can't think of a single instance.

Even then consoles have some notable benefits over PC and these perks just simply can't be ignored, things like true ownership, having your games work more often than not, earlier releases, more immediate developer support.
Back to your Saturn

Nice 4cuck filename, crossboarder. Back you go.

What year is this faggot from?

Fireden from a google search actually

Please tell me you're baiting.

But you own your console even less. You are required, more often than not, to bend to its OS entirely or risk being sued, in some cases. You are also completely unable to even use your own goddamn internet for its online.

They don't. The last two generations, they run like shit and crash all the fucking time.

Who gives a shit? Unless you've got cancer or you're going to die of old age before the superior PC version is released, how is this in any way an advantage? It'd be like if you were cooking something in the oven, and you took half of it out before it was finished. Sure, it's raw and tastes shitty, but you got it early, and that's what matters r-right?

Surely, you jest? Third parties rarely support fucking ANYTHING on consoles beyond launch. Then again, I guess that's true if you count early access games for PC.

This is true, but that doesn't mean the game has no VALUE. If mods make it into a spectacular game, then it's still valuable. If the base game did not exist, then no amount of mods could make that spectacular game on their own.

A good example is SimCity 4. The base game (especially the traffic simulation) is a broken piece of crap because lolEAarecrooks. But the modding community has taken that rusted broken shitbucket and transformed it into "Still The Best City-Builder, Fourteen Years Later".


The real issue is as you said earlier, where modern games are locked up so tight that the mods are more like window dressing. But in the past, mods have made decent games great, or even transformed them into completely different and amazing games.

I hope it fucking stays that way, any reboot made by Activision and Nu-Bungie would be an abortion and shit up the existing fanbase with redditors, secondaries and other parasites.

Nope, intel reacted and dropped their prices as soon as ryzen which still performed worse than skylake came out. AMD's only advantage as of now is the better efficiency but good luck getting companies to stick ryzen cpus on their notebooks. I really wish AMD was able to compete, but ryzen isn't it.

AMD never changes

This new generation of CPUs will be horrible. AMD is pumping out moar coars for marketing faggotry and intel will follow them because they're afraid and want to keep AMD cornered. Now every redditor/random part rewview youtube channel owner will have autistic creams about their 256-core parts because their knowledge ends at overclocking and in the end it'll be one of the few generations of cpus to perform worse than the predecessors.

you could also say greed and then post the CEO pictures with names and position captions

Does that mean that the I7 will be cheap as fuck?

Any source on the cia stuff that is not wikileaks. I donta want to end on a blacklist.

it's because there's too many normalfags involved in the general game industry now
they ruin fucking everything, so all these shitters on "gaming laptops" are just being pure cancer promoting this garbage

Not sure, but remember that if you don't know exactly why you need an i7 you probably don't need it. Hyperthreading benefits a few random things and gaming isn't one of them. The only i7s that perform specifically better than i5s are the extreme editions which don't have i5 counterparts.