With the unrest in N. Ireland, and the controversy over borders after brexit...

With the unrest in N. Ireland, and the controversy over borders after brexit, what are Holla Forumss opinions on Irish Republicanism? Do you believe in a United Ireland? Do you support the IRA? Terrorists or freedom fighters?

bonus points if your irish or from an irish family/background

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fucks sake, shouldve inb4'd emerald empire

before any of these conversations can happen we need to destroy London entirely

Apparently now the two main factions are Old IRA and Marxist IRA, but it was some Irish lad that knew the ins and outs of it. This is just one of the pics of his I saved.

You say that like the Irish aren't top scorers for havoc on mainland GB.

They once attacked GCHQ with speedboats and rocket launchers. Speedboats and rocket launchers!

lol all of it? can we keep some of it?

I'm Irish. Current dissident groups like the Continuity IRA are stupid memes.

Provisional IRA were based and an effective fighting force and although their fight didn't result in a United Ireland it vastly improved the material conditions of Catholics in N.I and laid the diplomatic groudwork for a United Ireland. I believe Brexit has accelerated the inevitability of a United Ireland by a few decades.

The provos did amazing shit like firing mortars at Downing Street, blowing up Canary Wharf and trying to assassinate Margaret Thatcher. That stuff kinda makes me proud when I look at how boring and centrist most of Ireland is politically these days.

The PIRA were left wing but not as radically leftist as other republican groups like INLA, which they crushed (along with other smaller republican groups). This is regrettable and I wish they were more radically left wing, but at the same time groups like the IRA (say LTTE or PKK) always go through a phase of crushing splinter groups and consolidating themselves as the main representative of 'the cause'.

People in the republic have been alienated from our brothers up north and often engage in West Brit apologism ("both sides were as bad, violence is always bad!") but that is an ignorant view of the conflict. Tom from Dublin was never a second class citizen and and was never viciously oppressed. Who is he to lecture Catholics from Northern Ireland how to process their oppression? Fucking bourgeois morals, man.

Anyway I don't have anything against British or Protestant comrades but people with settler colonialist mindsets from Belfast to Jerusalem can fuck off.

Reunification is the obvious long-term solution.

They had a just cause and their violence got results, but I think some of it was wrong. I am aware that they typically gave warning ahead of setting off bombs that endangered civilians, but it was inevitable that innocents would end up getting hurt.

As a Brit I feel that nobody here really gives a shit about or feels any loyalty to NI any more. It's just a pain in the arse and Britain will not have much trouble accepting reunification in the end, if it means NI is off our hands.

Good post, would you support another uprising if it happened today?

I'm personally a rather strong supporter of a united Ireland.
Indeed I would even like to see some-sort of sovereign Pan-Celtic political entity.

Really my only objections to Irish republicanism is the support for the EU and that fact that a republic is their desired end-state.

I post-ironically support the IRA as part of my ongoing feud with Anglo post-colonial imperialism

my guy

i am not against them, but they don't got my full support

I can't see the conditions in which one would happen anytime soon but it it was justified I would certainly take part.

Catholics in Northern Ireland are by far the most politically engaged group of people on the island, with the most revolutionary zeal. If anything major were to kick off in Ireland (again, can't see it happening) it would almost definitely start up in NI.

Just a shame Mr Gaddafi isn't around to give our lads weapons anymore :')

Don't really care tbh

Pepe Troubles when?

Irish republicanism is an example of how national liberation undermnes socialist struggle.

I support the IRA and an independant Ireland but if they just want to join the EU. I will not support them.

Basically the Provisionals have an Army council and a few handguns. They're not in a state to achieve much, and their political wing is the dominant one in Nationalism. Zero percent chance of them becoming violent again.

The INLA is involved in gang-warfare in the Republic, protecting drug-dealers, etc. Think they've basically wound down in the North, with their tiny left-wing party, the Irish Republican Socialist Party

The Officials have basically lost all of their guns (apparently the ORM took them when they defected, then decommissioned most of them), and most members are quite old by now. Not in any state to do much paramilitary violence.

Continuity IRA is extremely small. Occasionally shots a prison guard or leaves a pipe bomb about. Not especially political.

The New IRA is a mix of drug dealers, gang-members and a few old-timers from the provos. Basically impotent.

The Loyalist paramilitaries are basically in the same sort of state. Criminals and lumpenproletarians.

National liberation is an inevitable consequence of colonialism. If your brand of socialism can't live alongside national liberation then you need to adapt to reality.

Basically.

Although the colonisation did that as well.

that first flag is fucking amazing

sounds like a mess

Sad!

wales BTFO

middle is such a good flag honestly