I need more games where enemies throw a bazillion projectiles at you which you have to dodge from a first-person perspective. No hitscan bullshit. Is it me, or has a real first-person shmup not been tried yet? There are some attempts here and there but they're not really the main focus of the game, I bet someone could make it work if they tried.
Here are some gameplay WEBMs which kind of represent what I'm looking for.
Serious Sam is essentially that.
Doom
Serious Sam is more about throwing a whole bunch of enemies at you than it is about dodging shit. Though a lot of enemies do throw projectiles at you, they're not really the main focus of avoiding damage.
I kind of understand that, but most dodgeable projectiles in Doom are simple fireballs and the levels often let you avoid fireballs by retreating behind a corner. Compare this to Marathon where you have enemies which fire homing projectiles, long-range spraying fireballs, medium-range grenades, and so on. Hence why I posted it in the OP.
And you are supposed to dodge those enemies
Almost every single enemy is faster than you so its not like you can run away
That's true I suppose, like how you can avoid getting eviscerated by a pack of Kleers if they get close by knowing how to move around.
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The enemies are the projectiles
melee enemies are technically erratically moving projectiles
Tower of Guns
first person shooters don't really work as shoot 'em ups because you need perfect awareness of where you are in the game world.
serious sam is a terrible game.
Shmups pretty much require 360° awareness, so to fit that in a FPS you have to scale everything down so that you can realistically understand what's happening around you at all times without needing to see it or resort to shitty tricks like scaling down aggressiveness of enemies you don't have LoS on, scaling fov way up might help but even then it starts becoming way too confusing past a certain fov even with more specific solutions that allow for good 140°+ fov.
If you want a practical example Assault Android Cactus has a FPS mode you can unlock.
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Easy to fix that with level design. Instead of an open field, with enemies all around, imagine only being attacked by one end of a wide hallway. Most shmups are more similar to Galaga than they are to Asteroids, so a shmup fps shouldn't try to mess with that.
I remember how nuDoom had enemies running all around you, but sometimes you'd get blindsided because you couldn't anticipate an attack from behind because you couldn't hear it coming at all. One thing first-person games definitely should focus on is sound when it comes to having to know what is going on around you, like in Devil Daggers. For example, enemies outside of your line of sight could telegraph their attack with a clear positional sound which indicates what direction the attack is coming from, but level design which largely moves in one-direction seems to be a more suitable solution.
Resident Evil 4 made enemies offscreen less likely to attack you. While this can be exploited on high levels of play, the mentality of having the most important threats onscreen is valuable.
Or you could have a radar
But if you can see everything that is hostile in your LoS you have to resort to non aimed pattern a lot more because streaming aimed burst is much easier in FPS than it is in top down view, and from my experience understanding that kind of bullet patterns in FPS view is really hard so it also come back to having to scale it down, homing attacks are also another thing you have to approach differently between top down and FPS, there's also the "attack from above" style of attacks you can't do as well in FPS.
And then there's the whole problem of whether you wanna have the player stick to 2D movement or let him have more or less limited 3D movement (which goes anywhere from single jump and crouching to ToG -tier ridiculousness where you're basically zooming around all over the place especially with that one negative recoil gun)
Descent and games of its ilk are first person shoot 'em ups.
The problem with that is you'd be looking more often at the radar than the screen when you're surrounded.
That's a good one, I do fondly remember boosting through a narrow passageway leading to an open room with enemies waiting to ambush me at the end of that passageway behind the exit, just so I could fly through and do an 180 as I destroyed them without taking damage like Max Payne in zero gravity. Descent also had a neat approach where enemy AI factored in how you'd dodge their attacks, they weren't simply stationary objects which spammed bullets at you, and the level design made endless circlestrafing an impossibility, on top of the enemy AI being able to lead its shots as well.
Resistance
You just proved yourself wrong.
You have to dodge the projectiles and kill the enemies that are faster than you before they touch you.
Missiles are a degenerate form of airplane.
Any good ones that work with Linux? no wine
Xonotic is fun if you're into arena shooters.
Also Quake 3/OpenArena.
Kleers are faster than you but you can dodge them due to how they attack but you can't deal with much more than 4-6 being in close range unless you're lucky or really fucking good at visually representing what happens around you without seeing it.
Bulls also are way faster than you but have a lot of inertia and acceleration time so you can also dodge them up to a point.
Both are better dealt with via superior firepower at long ranges though, but the games do throw a couple of close range encounters you can't avoid with those two enemies.
I forgot about those. I was referring to the suicide headless guys that have to be killed before they touch you. Yes, bulls can be avoided forever.
rockets are just gay dick shaped jets
Lost Souls from Doom are way ahead of you buddy.
i know tower of guns fits this criteria but i havent really touched it. ive seen some other anons talk about it and post webms though, so hopefully they can chime in.
Fall of Man
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Maybe if you hate fun and are a giant faggot.
They're the equivalent of missles in Shmups.
How can a weapon have a sexual preference?
Try out Action Doom where all hitscan weapons have been replaced with projectiles you have to dodge because one single hit will kill you.
Some Doom mods get pretty close to bullet hell. Reelism comes to mind, but there are far more deliberate attempts to recreate bullet hell. Touhou Doom is one… if you like Touhou. But there were better ones I remember playing on Skulltag.
-t. can't even beat stage 1 of smash tv without dying
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Ziggurat comes close. It's something I always start up when I feel like just shooting stuff.
What the fuck is that sprint animation? Did Prey take a running class from the RE7 protagonist?
The situational awareness involved in high-level Devil Daggers plays surely is something to behold.
Ziggurat looks pretty solid, shame it contracted the roguelite cancer though.
Have you never tried sprinting with a shotgun in your hands before?
This is essentially what Paranautical Activity was attempting. I haven't played it in a while so I can't remember how well they succeeded, but I remember it being fun at the very least.
Drunken Robot Pornography is what you're looking for OP. The level at 14 minutes is a great example.
Footage is not of the final game, but it's pretty much spot-on: lotsa enemies with different actions, your motion is constrained by the level design but flexible thanks to your jetpack, shots shots & more shots. The game is funky, I don't recall the dubstep music this video features so if it stayed in the final version, it mustn't have been obnoxious.
Painkiller (Black Edition) is pretty epic, especially if you're into METAL aesthetics.
starfox64 in first person view?
Drunken Robot Pornography. I don't recall hitscan bullshit aside from there being lasers.
Oh, that's what I get for not reading. Anyway, seconded.
Touhou Doom immediately comes to mind.
airplanes are just trains with wings
Nostalgia
trains are just cars on a track and cars are just two motorbikes duct taped together
wings are just metal plates.
sounds like that hip game STAFE and the precious Holla Forums gem Serious Sam and Painkiller