This is new levels of retarded

I don't even know if this is new, but I was just checking a walkthrough for one of my disposable weeboo anime waifu games and realized there's a fucking donate button gamefaqs. What the fucking hell is this stupid bullshit? Donate to walkthrough writers? Get a fucking job.

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gamefaqs.com/boards/2000094-gamefaqs-contributors-faqs-and-guides/72663794
archive.fo/MxzJ0
koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20151204000893
archive.fo/iqSdw
watchingamerica.com/WA/2011/12/20/evolving-donation-culture/
gamefaqs.com/pc/250533-deus-ex/faqs/51057
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

How did this become a buzzword?

I was using it ironically, I am actually a very big fan of the Trails series. People have associated it with goonery or western marketers trying to create some grassroots against jap media or something, but it could just be a few curmudgeony guys.
Notice how the guy who engaged politely got dubs, not you, rude bader-ginsberg.

It's more work than uploading gamer culture videos to YouTube or being a "gaming journalist".

I never donate but I have more respect for the guy who wrote this than any of you assholes that's for sure (admittedly a low bar). He even played the games on PSP before they were translated by Xseed.

Welcome to the age of Patreon. Thankfully GameFAQs has already been an irredeemably trash website for years.

There was an attempt.

That's because he's Japanese.

It might be trash, but it's better than the alternatives.

I have gotten really annoyed with the style of writing that's become common in walkthroughs when I read them, it's got all the forced insincere humor like it's a shitty let's play. I don't care who your fucking waifu is, this is supposed to be a guide on how delay mechanics work.

I didn't know it has gotten that bad, I mostly use it for older games(up until the PS2 era). Modern games rarely need a walkthrough, and when they do, they also have a dedicated wikipedia, which is somewhat better. I guess I was wrong, and it's not better than the modern alternatives(dedicated wikipedias and youtube walkthroughs), but it's also a large database with walkthroughs written in the 90s so I hope it will still exist in the future.

Even better. A Jap that can write fluently and coherently in English.

Some Burgers can't even do that.

It's a donate button, not a paywall. If only all of us could give back to the community. All I have is my seedbox.

April of 2016 apparently
gamefaqs.com/boards/2000094-gamefaqs-contributors-faqs-and-guides/72663794
I think GF is awful, but there are some legitimately good FAQs/Walkthroughs. However, they are usually just relics from the past.

I'll donate, it takes foreeeeever to document content like that.

The Persona social link FAQs are a legend and a human accomplishment on par with the pyramids of Giza.

What joy!

Keep em coming user. I need this to fuel my lifts.

Sure thing user. Fun fact, the post in the last image was taken over a year ago before anyone gave a shit about 2B's ass.

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Am I missing something here

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It's part of an increasing doujin-jification of western vidya culture. The market has grown so big that it is creating niche markets, causing things that were previously free (user made walkthroughs) to be come paid. You saw the same thing with the attempt at mods, and your justification is the same exact one Bethesda/Valve used.

Not everyone wants their community ruined by jews, kike.

Final post for now, might dump some more later, though.

*niche FAN markets
Sorry, that's the operative word in that phrase and I left it out

But they are still free


I have a hard time what a donation has to do with jews mr hitler

DOUBLE HAIL HITLER

I don't really see the problem either, it comes across as a little desperate given the background of ways to beg for pennies on the internet becoming more and more common. but if someone wants to toss a dude a fiver for writing a good guide I don't see the problem.

Exactly, who the fuck cares

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I use Gamefaqs all the fuckin' time considering it's the only place for guides.

shit like


are the result of a dude being autistic enough about gamefaqs to go in, surf it like no one here, and actually give a shit about the content of the forum posts instead of the meat of this shit, the actual guides.

If you're going to fucking Gamefaqs to post on a forum you're a fuckin' idiot and you deserve to suffer like that dumbass.

I never went to gamefaqs to post even when I was a kid. I just used it once in a while. Seriously, why the fuck should anyone care?

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Holla Forums cares. If people are looking for alternative/better ways to make money that doesn't rely on the government or a "traditional" job, then they lose.

I can already tell where this thread is gonna go

Donation "culture" is just a way to make money.

It demands nothing of you, and you're confusing donation buttons with Patreon, which was ripe for money laundering. Donation buttons are one way.

As others stated, as far as video game-related content on the internet goes, a good FAQ is among the most useful.
Plus there are plenty of game journo websites who rush publishing walkthroughs after a big release. I'll take some lone FAQ writer over their ad revenue.

That's the exact opposite of the truth though, the "new media" portion of the left primarily subsists itself on these sorts of donations. Remember how much ZQ was getting? Or Sarkeesian? It is called hipster welfare for a reason.

The same reason people here laugh/care at how retarded Neogaf is, user.

Because harmful at a distance mockery over things that are totally inconsequential, especially between specialists, is fun?

It's also lucrative and a way to get on top without having to bow down to corporate types.

Hitler drank water, booze, etc, doesn't mean it's bad. Hipsters jump on whatever benefits them, it can benefit you as well, and you can cut out their tactics and be more effective at it.

It's a market, and this is a capitalist country. Keep an open mind, and as long as you don't jew, you're not gonna fall.

*harmless
Fuck I can't even type today

Yeah, and when the money stops rolling in (Because that is their primary source of income), they're going to become as irrelevant as everyone else in the world. Donations work, but that cannot substitute a stable pay in the long run. All they are is just another way to make some extra money (Which you can do whatever you want with: being able to buy better things, start your own business, invest, etc.).

Usually people hide their care behind laughter.

I mean laugh if you want, but I just find shit like these posters pathetic and pitable, it's like hearing the same joke a thousand times, you get tired of it, you know? Eventually, you just stop caring, and laughing. It's like porn, you get tired of vanilla, go exotic, come back and get vanilla, it's a cycle.

How is it bad in any way? Generally there isn't even any thinly veiled attempt to guilt-trip you by the authors of a mod or something asking for a donation. They just put a donate button somewhere and those who feel like donating something do so. I certainly respect people who decline donations in teams and such because they don't want people arguing over the money from the donations. And would agree that if its a really small/half assed mod asking for a donation is pathetic. But if someone's put a lot of time into a polished mod or something it's perfectly reasonable to give people the ability to donate. Plus if the dude is a poor BR or something getting $50 trickle in from something like that can actually be a big deal.

I think this might be the smartest post I've ever seen on Holla Forums

Isn't that technically right tough

Exactly, which is why you don't use it as a primary source of income since it's diminishing returns and all that.

You shouldn't be using that money to buy a new TV, you should be using that money to invest into the job or business you'll be creating to ensure your financial security.

Hipsters treat it as a source of income because they're low energy fucks with no passions, and that locks them into begging and soliciting for donations because they have no life.

People like Anita can gain loads of money, that's true, but they have to constantly panhandle, travel, and be slaves to the begging job because that's how they get their money.

They don't create jobs, they don't end up in a cushy CEO job, and they usually end up committing crimes as an alternative, get wrecked by the law, and go full anthony burch, all because they have no drive or passion to drive them into making a real business that produces actual quality shit.

I knew a guy in Florida called Bob, who made wooden barricades by himself and sold them. He took that money and invested it into a business, and now he's not making barricades anymore because he commissions factories to make thick plastic ones that he sells to construction companies all over Orlando. Donations are just another form of capital to move into bigger things, hipsters are getting stuck at the start of business making because they're content with shitty living via donations.

I never played MGS so it could be for all I know, but from the way it was worded, it seems like he just typed all that shit out just because someone made a post that mentioned "Metal Gear Solid 3". It's also a pretty autistic if you want to get down that deep into it.

That path leads to ruin user.

Donation Culture leads to Entitlement.
Look what happened to gaming, for example.

In the age before Kickstarter and Paytreon, people would donate to products as a sign of support or to say "GREAT JOB BRO", ie tipjars.

I hate to say Slipperly Slope, but that's exactly what happened with gaming. We took something simple as hell and took it to the illogical extreme of giving real money to people for ideas rather than products.

When the entitlement kicks in, it becomes " why do I have to wait for the money, they should give it to me first" or " I can come up with a sob story to get the money now and I can write the guide later".

Fucking nobody donated as a sign of support, and that is exactly what created Kickstarter and Patreon.

Uh, I don't see how this is relevant, are you saying we'll get early access walkthroughs and mods?
:^)

And that worked out so well you retarded troglodyte.

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What the fuck does this even mean

this tbh fam
I know plenty of stories of ppl shutting down their website due to the lack of donations helping to keep the project & websites maintained, especially when the money one gets from working shouldn't be used to bootstrap a website few people use.

I refuse to believe I was one of the few people donating to decent indie developers giving us great games for nothing.

lol faggot

At least you give something back, been wanting to get a seedbox myself so I can do my part to the community as well.

true

I'd say the reverse is true. The expectation that all time and action must have monetary reward.

I respect those autists who spend years of their life into writing detailed walkthroughs for some random PS1 RPG whereas today you only get retarded lets plays on youtube when you're looking for something.

ITS A DONATION NOT A PAYWALL

Jesus does nobody know the difference anymore… They don't even beg or be obnoxious about it. Just a few lines in the guide.

Do you guys beat the shit out of restaurant staff for having tip jars?

this is one of the stupidest posts i've ever read and i'm about to open a heaping helping of fucking why you cocksmoker

'donation culture' is nothing but the favored buzzword of mouthbreathing no-tippers who have so much unfettered faith in the wages of aspirant devs to support creation of a demanding product alone that they callously overlook a rare and exotic economic phenomenon we call

S P E C U L A T I ON

READ THIS FUCKING CAREFULLY BECAUSE IT'S THE CRAZIEST THING IN THE WORLD TO THINK THAT INDEPENDENT CONSUMERS IN A WIDE MARKET WHICH HAS GRADUALLY BECOME EVEN LESS FRIENDLY TO SMALL STUDIOS MIGHT ACTUALLY ATTEMPT TO SPEND MONEY ON SOMETHING THEY EXPECT TO COME OUT GOOD LIKE IT'S NOT BASIC VENTURING you fucking ingrate because you don't seem to understand that CONSUMERS generate markets outside of a monopoly and that games are NOT ONLY ONE OF THE EASIEST COTTAGE INDUSTRIES TO BREAK INTO BUT THEY'RE ALSO THE FUCKING EASIEST TO BLOAT WITH SHOVELWARE DUE TO THE PRACTICALLY NONEXISTENT DISTRIBUTION COSTS. THIS SAYS NOTHING OF THE ENSURING QUALITY IN PRODUCTS WHICH MEANS TACTLESS INVESTERS LIKE YOU, Y O U, YOU THE SHITTER READING THIS ARE THE ONLY ONES ALLOWING INDEPENDENT PRODUCTS OF POOR QUALITY TO THRIVE. IF YOU WERE REALLY INVESTED IN PREVENTING SUBPAR PRODUCTS FROM BEING RELEASED YOU WOULD CONSUME ETHICALLY BY DENYING MONEY TO THE TRIPLE A WHO HAVE ALREADY FUCKED YOU OVER AND DENYING MONEY FROM UNTRUSTWORTHY DEVELOPERS. THIS IS LATE STAGE CAPITALISM. CONSUMER SOVEREIGNTY IS YOUR GREATEST TOOL AND YET YOU SQUANDER IT LIKE SO MANY M&MS

hence we get tip-jars and donation platforms as the last gasp of indie devs who otherwise will get NO practical investment in the field in which they are producing actually have an incentive to compete

let's act like you're a retard (suspend your disbelief) in the 90s and there are so many devs that publishing itself is incredibly limited and insular, leading to a balkanized market of passionately created and finely tailored products with high levels of variation between them. eventually brand loyalty establishes between these developers and chinese IP-scalpers decide to create grim facsimiles of successful games to skim money from poor kids. as times goes on this market will constrict only to those who can meet the ambitions of raising floor of technical acceptability and maintain operating costs while consistently wowing a limited audience. eventually fewer and fewer studios exist and the ones that do are under publisher's umbrellas who regularly orchestrate hostile takeovers of unwieldy studios in the name of efficiency because retards will still buy these products on principle even if the studio's credibility has been shot to shit. what does this mean? it means it's like tulips in the netherlands or the MLB in the 60s because everything is a farm team and tertiary companies will ONLY emerge and succeed on new fronts if every single employee (most often a sole dev) is willing to live on a shoestring and attempt to break boundaries or revitalize old formulas because they will consistently be outclassed by homogenized competitors from the triple a. it doesn't matter if the triple a product is inferior because the independent dev is intrinsically disadvantaged based on their VISIBILITY ALONE.

THE DONATION BUTTON IS STRICTLY THE CONSUMER'S CONSTRUCT BECAUSE HE WILLINGLY PLAYS IN ADVANCE FOR THINGS HE HOPES FOR, BUT IT'S THE SELFSAME TENDENCY THAT CREATED GENRE NIGH-MONOPOLIZATION IN THE FIRST PLACE. ENTITLEMENT IS NOT, PARADOXICALLY, SOME NEBULOUS BOOGEYMAN WALTZING AROUND WEARING DEVELOPER'S SKIN AS IF SNAKE OIL IS SUDDENLY A BOLD NEW ADDITION TO THE ENGLISH LEXICON

video games are 90% fucking labor and that means that the market will demand dedication from developers who create fun, feasible goods since distribution platforms are not only abundant but offensively friendly to them. it's because people keep willingly suckling garbage that you see no hesitation from developers to manipulate the easily impressed. but these lauded goods from committed producers won't go fucking anywhere if the consumers outright REFUSE to facilitate third parties by cranking their peckers and wailing about OPTIONAL TIP JARS. the tip jar is YOUR FRIEND, you cunt, if you would just GET THE FUCK UP AND ACTUALLY BE DISCERNING WITH YOUR WALLET. if the preemptive donation model WASN'T working we would be artifically narrowing a market WHICH ACTUALLY SUFFERS FROM A PRODUCT BLOAT WHICH ABSOLUTELY JACK FUCKING NONEBODY IS WILLING TO SIFT THROUGH

YOU ARE THE REASON WHY RTS IS DEAD. YOU MADE A MICROCOSMIC MARKET OF COMPETITIVE HENPECKERS WHICH MADE THE GAMES SEEM INACCESSIBLE TO NEW PLAYERS, FORCING THE AUDIENCE TO WANE UNTIL THE POINT THAT IT WAS NO LONGER PROFITABLE FOR DEVELOPERS TO SPECULATE WITH NEW TITLES WAS REACHED. YOU MADE MICROTRANSACTIONS. YOU. YOU. ENTITLEMENT DID NOTHING, IT'S JUST THE SIMPLETON'S WAY OF VERBALIZING HIS DISTASTE FOR TERTIARY DEVELOPERS WHO PROFIT OFF OF THE SAME CONSUMER COWARDICE.

SHAME

SHAME

SHAME

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I'm pretty sure this thread is the first time it's been used.

Apparently the term "Donation culture" does exist, but it isn't often called that:
archive.fo/MxzJ0
koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20151204000893
archive.fo/iqSdw
watchingamerica.com/WA/2011/12/20/evolving-donation-culture/

Can you shame sheeple?

Auto autist?

This is such a fucking non-issue, and it blows my mind how much you thin-skinned faggots lack self-awareness. You mock SJWs and their hurt feelings, but you're no different.

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That's always going to be my fave

Okay. I agree with that logic. Debatable, but I can see it happening.


Whoa there bro.

I'm talking about showing support to people who do great jobs for free. They do it because they enjoy it. Not because of the money. The money is literally a bonus.

Look at my other post. I donated money to Derek Yu back when he was doing it for free.
Today? Fuck him. He made it. He doesn't need any more encouragement from fans- his encouragement should is getting paid from check to check.

Donation Culture leading to Entitlement is when you talk about communities like The Sims, Fallout, 3D Custom Girl, Deviant Art.
Filled with people who do it for free, but tucked into them are people who want to use the community as a steady flow of cash. They're not going to do anything, even though they can, without getting money. They stagnate the community because the got addicted to that time a few people threw a few dollars at them for doing a good job, rather than simply putting up a paywall.

You see when you put up a Paywall, you show people -exactly- where you stand. When you use shit like Paetron hidden content, you're fudging the rules with a deception. You're no longer truly donating because you support them, you're donating because you want something- -which simply means, it's now a regular fucking transaction but it's friendly sounding.

tl;dr faggots are fucking around with the meaning of words and we're letting them win by not saying shit.

I know the guy that wrote this guide, actually. He's pretty chill. The whole Kiseki fandom in general is pretty chill, and are very accommodating to folks that want to get into it.

It's not
Useless thread. Kill yourself.

We're not the ones with the problem user. Lazy people have been invaded by spaces that used to be occupied by hobbyist that did the work because it was fun. They've driven out all the old school people that were like that and enforced a set of rules. Now they're churning out stuff, often just badly copied stuff, and asking for money in return. If you point this out they call you entitled and give you a sob story about how they support themselves off of it. Then they cry when told that they should just get a regular job.


The real world doesn't give a shit about your passion and guilt tripping people into supporting a life of sitting on your ass at home isn't something to be proud of. Streamers, youtubefags, and all forms of cancer suffer from this same problem. They are professional whores and they aren't even good at what they do. This attitude has infected an entire generation it seems. Everyone just expects to get rich and have the easy life. Everyone thinks they can just shit out some content and get paid. It's no better than standing on the corner and playing shit covers of popular songs on guitar in exchange for the pennies dumb fucks throw in a hat for you. 1 guy might make it that way but the 10,000 other hipsters are just going to end up shooting heroin in the alley around the corner for the rest of their short lives. I'm not going to be the one paying for their habits and anyone that does is just contributing to the problems of society.

*Lazy people have invaded spaces

Fuck, I need sleep. Unlike some folks I work for a living.

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or abstain. the point is to spend intelligently and cure the disease rather than bemoan the symptoms.

outright false. your 'donation culture = entitlement' spiel is a (feeble) direct rebuttal to someone pointing out the absurdity of conflating paywalls with donations and whoever you've donated to in the past has no bearing on that. your whole original post is wholly self-contradictory. i don't think you understand that literally every every example you have listed is made with the feverish consent of the consumers. it's the emphasis on pro-bono that chokes communities because it allows industry consolidation with basically no monetary resistance permitted by outliers. it's practically economic traditionalism. constrictive. if the producers want to charge for it, they can–simply stop spending and the problem goes away because they aren't enabled. if people spend, it's not only a problem whic is strictly external to you and me but it's only exacerbated with narrow buzzwordery that goes toward a monetary conservatism which tries to morally obligated independent actors from gathering money with the consent of buyers. people pay for patreon with the expectation of receiving goods, it's a literal 'investment-return' situation as demonstrated by basically any flow of capital in which the return capital itself is not tender but physical product. for fuck's sake, it's literally called patreon. as in patronage. i don't care if i personally dislike the product, but it's a common transactional relationship that goes back to venice and beyond. someone pays for a painting, they receive it. the only exception in this case that it's a subscription for a ton of paintings over a predetermined period with backwards access to old ones. functionally identical to that of any commission. what the fuck are you even complaining about? the semantics? the monetization of goods that you, the CONSUMER, are insisting you are entitled to? the fact that people support things you personally dislike? because all you're telling me is that you're upset that producers want to sell their products when you, yourself, are bitching that they aren't free from the get-go. the irony should be palpable. producers get to conduct themselves as they see fit and they're enabled by consumers. if you don't like how they get their sick kicks, it's ultimately you, the reader's collective faults.

this really made me think

user you are the primary user of this tactic.

This should be a banner.

A massive fucking banner.

This is totally irrelevant to this thread, because the donation link is accompanying a finished product. Kikestarter is an entirely different issue, you fucking mongoloid.

I find it unlikely that a donate button will bring about significant change in the quality of walkthroughs or otherwise create some sort of cancerous culture. This kind of shit can be extremely cancerous (see: twitch) but I just don't see how it could happen here. People use walkthroughs to get information, not for entertainment.

How? It's the same trend just in a different space. Ignoring their similarities is stupid as it suggest possible paths it might take.

This. Baldur's Gate 2 and FFT are just two examples that I can immediately think of when it comes to high quality guides. There are others too.

Crap. I used to have the "woe is me" Persona 4 post saved, but can't find it anymore.

Somebody have it?

Yeah, it's why their games are still good.

NO FUCK YOU FAGGOT. I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DEATH OF YOUR SHITTY GOOKCLICK GENRE.

The place is a cesspit now.

I used to write a lot of guides, I had tens of millions of guide views. I enjoyed it, good bit of a hobby.

Essentially I used to write down a lot of information about what I was playing anyway so I started organizing it into guides because hey, why not?

The site's been in decline since the failed Gamespot community merger way back when, awhile later they started pulling some absolutely horrendous bullshit with community standards, there's a 'trigger word' list that it prevents you posting and the result is that if you have more than an 8th grade vocabulary you're constantly getting dinged for using words people find offensive in certain contexts.

Anyway, long story short, I pulled all of my content off of the site and now I almost exclusively troll.

For all I know that was the goal, get rid of people who would do it as a friendly gesture in their spare time to bring in the the patreon begger crew who can make it their full time fucking job and the failing site itself probably gets a share of their autist shekels.

I spend more time there than I probably should. I recognize most of the worst posters in the screencaps in this thread. There are a lot more incredibly fucking retarded regulars who post 24/7 on the site. I dunno what their deal is. The site has a series of 'top posts' on the front page for the currently most active forum threads and probably half of them come from the same six or eight people, many of which appear in the screencaps here. As touchy and banhappy as their mods have become I don't understand how the faggots are still posting UNLESS they're just the alts of the mods themselves.

The site has basically become a mix of a more family friendly cuck/v/ and a more accessible neofag. Time was that you could just talk about a game and exchange information there without drama or even shitposting, it was a legitimate community of people with shared interests. Now look at it. One day they'll ban my account and I'll be free.

there is no problem here its free

I thought I was a sucker for marketing until realized fags like that exist.

I will say that many old guides on gamefaqs had donation infoif people wanted to donate.

There is literally nothing wrong with donating to something nice that you liked
Every fucking retarded faggot in here is equating that to shit like paid mods or people using patreon as payment for their work when those are inherently different things

If someone wants to ask for donations in their own work, sure, I guess.

When you start systematizing it though, when it's part of the default interface, when it's integrated into the site, at some point it shifts from optional to expected and at some point mandatory.

This is how paid mods started.

Not that I can see. I have no problem at all with someone having a Donate button. It's completely optional, after all. It's one of the stupidest things to cry about.

It's like you faggots don't want to finish your journey to complete weeabooification or something.

Pick one.

If you need to be paid to make guides, go get a job making guides, if you need to be paid to do your hobby your hobby sucks and you should get another one.

the fact you relate this to japan makes you sound like a weeb more than anyone else

Hnestly, having worked in several service industries. I prefer honest gratitude over tips. A truly ment thanks or compliment will float me for a whole day.

Besides, I have refined the art of stealing from my till to the point where I walk home with four or five extra dollars a day with balanced paperwork anyway.

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Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

Fucking NY Jews

Makes me wonder a) how much they had and b) what kind of sushi. Those a la carte places can be surprisingly expensive, though.

Except the biggest argument against paid mods was that if people wanted to support mod authors they could just donate, and if Steam wanted to support them too, they could just support donations
Which obviously Gaben didn't want to go for because it would mean they wouldn't be able to leech as much money off of mod makers

Irony at it's finest.

Not everything is a market for you to exploit, Rabbi.

And donation wasn't an integrated part of the mod delivery system on steam. If modders want to put it into their stuff themselves, that's one thing, but when you build it into the system people start going from "I do this for fun" to "I could be paid to do this" to "I should be paid to do this" to "people who don't pay me for this are scum".

That's exactly what happened with the paid mods fiasco in merely days.

Now there's a bunch of long time modders who essentially ceased production because it went from a fun thing they did to something they resent people for using.

Once again: if you have to be paid to do your hobby, your hobby sucks and you should get a different one and if you want to get paid for doing it, go get a job doing it.

Turns out there are people who get paid for making content for video games, they're called game developers.

So soon we should expect "Something GameFAQS" with premium FAQ content and more tiddies?

Whatever happened to "if you like something never do it for free"

Which is why you're a prostitute?

Americans don't understand that they're one of the few countries where tipping is expected. Not tipping is actually the standard in most places.

It's "If you're good at something never do it for free."
also

As a nation; We're still stuck in the 60s, where people could survive off of Tips alone. We've never escaped that mentality.


I've never heard that. The saying I've heard was
"If you do something well, never do it for free"

Paid mods were not donations, they were an absolute paywall with no middleground
And the only thing that happened was a bunch of faggot developers of shit mods revealed themselves to be jews
The exact same shit happens with private donations, but it doesn't effect people who actually do good work
The absolute worst-case scenario with someone who isn't a massive jew is that they'll make enough money through donations that they can afford to set aside more time to work on the thing they're getting donations for, which is not a bad thing

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so tolerant and open-minded

You're not listening to the important part: direct integration into the system. That's the difference.

If you add a "insert paypal email here for donations button" option, you start to build that "I deserved to be paid" entitlement and the quality of your product goes down, not that it matters since the site is so shit now.

Further, once again, hobbies are supposed to be their own reward, if you want to quit your job for your hobby and make it your job you need to find a better way to do it than a donation button and begging people on the internet.

Integration of cybershekel begging into any system ONLY degrades its quality, it NEVER improves it. Adding monetary incentive to basically anything on the internet that isn't just a store you're buying things seems to have done that to them. You remove the passion and the place just fills right up with jews wringing their hands.

That second one pisses me off in particular. Mostly because I know that those boot lickers didn't give a shit about FE before hand, but will now happily help solidify it as a watered down waifu simulator.

I should clarify that monetary incentives are great in markets driven by sold products, they're not good in communities driven by shared passions.

It'd be great if the worst thing SJWs did was attack people on the internet. But what they do is actually get people fired from their jobs for no reason, public slander without legal repercussions, get super fucking retarded and unnecessary laws passed and try to subvert the classic nuclear family culture.
That's the difference between SJW and right wingers.

I really don't see the fundamental difference between letting people put a link to their donation stuff in their thing and letting people put a link to their donation stuff in a button in their thing

I guess one is more advertised than the other. One makes the system itself integrate it, while the other one is you putting it in a part where it isn't supposed to be.

Optional vs Mandatory.
Example: It's like Free vs Paid online.
Remember when Sony introduced Playstation Plus? It was completely optional at the time, since the general service was free. This completely countered the people who hated the idea of the service by actually offering a service that provided deep discounts and unlimited game rentals, as long as you an active subscrition.

Then the PS4 rolled out and it became Mandatory. Now the people who defended it on the PS3 turned against it, while those indoctrinated to it just accepted it as it was. While in the PS4, it's absolute shit. There's no deals. There's no more sales and the Free Games aka Unlimited Rentals are all shit, in comparison to what was offered when it was Optional.

But it's a bad example since both of these are services and we're not talking about that. But whatever.

well then dont donate buttmunch. its called donate because its optional

I mean, I can understand it being a problem when it becomes incredibly integrated into the platform like it is on streaming services, with in-built incentive systems and payment options and such, but I can't see it being that big a deal if it's just optional donations, built into the platform or not

Psychological, largely.

When you make it part of the system people are more likely to decide it's not only normal but that they're entitled to it eventually. People are fucktards.

It's like with the way ebay trains sellers by recommending they sell things in certain ways. If someone bids on something they've now internalized the concept that that thing is theirs and they'll fight harder for it, ebay will keep reminding you that someone else is stealing your thing too.

The interface of a website similarly communicates things to the user, by including a system for them to get money, they come to think they are already owed that money whether they are or not.

There's been quite a lot of studies on how people interpret ownership and what they're owed and the vast majority of it is just basically having it put in front of you that you COULD own it or be owed it. That's how advertising works.

By building it into the platform, you're effectively making a system that incentivizes it, which instantly makes it so the mentality will switch from people who do it for free whom you can show your appreciation with money, to people who strictly do it for money. It's one of those things that are only good when they're subtle and in moderation.

No he's utterly wrong. Snake Eater absolutely is called Metal Gear Solid, not Metal Gear.
The guy is probably just really dedicated to trolling.

This seems incredibly retarded to me, but sure I guess
It seems like more of a problem with the creators though, and something that's difficult to change from one to the other
Like, if people are used to possibly donating to something once they have a tangible product, I wouldn't think that would just immediately translate into people being okay with donating to the development of something that doesn't exist

This meme needs to die. All those lazy niggers did was pick cotton. All infrastructure building work was done by white men, apart from railroads which were built by white men and chinks. But really, niggers did fuck all in the actual building of the cities and roads of America.
Cotton money just went to the pockets of wealthy slave owner Jews, not into creating the nation.

You not agreeing with it doesn't mean it doesn't work that way. I'm just describing reality.

No.

Anyway I prefer a simple donate button to a paywall.


Hey OP go bitch about cheathappens.

You got a screw loose if you think anyone in the South at that time would have been a Jew. We were all and largely still are Protestant, mostly Baptist.

Is he right about the role of black people back then though?
No idea about American history, just curious.

Still the whole negro thing money didnt built america, Sharpton. Get fucked.

Actually America is the outlier.

In most countries waiters get a salary. But for some byzantine reason if you work in a restaurant in the US you're a slave living off table scraps.

About owning slaves? Yes and no. Pretty much the only people who owned slaves were wealthy plantation owners, and they owned tons of them. So you get into a situation where maybe 1% of the people in the south owned like 90% of the slaves. And yes, they were almost entirely used for agriculture, like cotton picking, not for industrial or civil work.

This is why anyone who tells you that the Southerners went to war so they could own slaves is telling you, at best, a half truth. Most Southerners did not own slaves, and with the extravagant costs of buying one, not to mention the cost of upkeep, they could never actually dream of owning a slave. But the economy of the South was predicated, to some degree, on the large plantations which did have large numbers of slaves, so they were worried that by outlawing slavery the South would crumble economically.

This is also why the idea of trying to shame whites nowadays for their treatment of blacks with regards to slavery in the past is fucking ludicrous. Almost no one today has any ancestors who owned slaves. Slaveowners were a fantastically small minority of the population.

He's also true about the railroads being built mostly by whites and Chinese, but that was the case all over the nation, not just in the South.

Thanks for the answer.

Also, there were black slave owners who pulled shit that even the white slave owners found disgusting (Such as breeding the "perfect slave"). And, the only people who kept slavery alive was the political left of the time, meanwhile everyone else wanted it done and over with because it represented the "Old values" of England and Europe that we wanted to disconnect ourselves from.

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There were a lot of poor white people in the South by the way who couldn't get jobs because negro slaves were cheaper.

The civil war was about the rich industrialists in the North vs. the rich cotton barons in the South. America was going through a transformation from an agrarian society to what we see today.

(DUB TRIPS)
Madame LaLaurie was a crazy rich bitch that bought slaves just to torture them. Sage for not related.

The Declarations of Causes of Secession were documents that each state made explaining why they were seceeding. Almost all of them spoke solely about the moral righteousness of slavery, and the outrage at the perceived threat of northern politicians eliminating slavery (even though that probably wouldn't have happened if not for the Civil War making it politically expedient). Out of all the Declarations of Causes of Secession, only like one or two states listed anything other than the moral aspects of slavery as a reason, because in those cases they did briefly mention the economic impacts of slavery, but even then, only as secondary reasons.

You can go look up these documents online. The American Civil War was 100% about slavery, as stated by the seceding states themselves. Where you have a point, though, is the fact that the average soldier wouldn't be affected by any of this shit, and were fighting for more abstract reasons of nationalism and shit. As usual, the rich used a bunch of useful idiots as canon fodder to fuel their own interests.

fuck off you privileged shit, if you wanted a cheat code or a guide and you were too poor, you'd go to a the store and either memorize shit or write it down before some fuck kicks you out or if you're a nigger rip the page out. how about you git gud and not use guides?

you sure about that?

You got any proof of a decent amount of right wingers calling bosses and getting people fired for their leftist views or jokes told privately to their friends?

Let me tell you why you are wrong using a simple analogy.

Once upon a time games came complete with all the content they would ever have, they even came with cheat codes if you wanted to unlock everything instead of grinding for it. Then came the idea of 'expansion packs', cheaper than the actual game they none the less added a large amount of content for a smaller fraction of the original games price. Later cheat codes started to die out in favor of achievement based rewards to encourage playing the game and getting people hooked. Still later we started to see DLC's (little new content at disproportionate prices) then DLC's that unlocked content that was already in the game, then DLC that became the only way to get achievements in games or advance enough to do so. Culminating in the mega cancer of freemium games.

The donation button is a slippery slope in a similar sense. If you don't think there will come a day when walkthroughs are behind paywalls you are very naive especially considering that paper versions of walkthroughs used to be for sale until free web-based walkthoroughs became a thing and phased them out. So now it's come full circle and the online walkthrough writers are starting to realize that they could also be making money. However unlike a paper medium there will be no editor and no ability to skim before buying the book to see if it's helpful. You can't make money off of donations unless some of your content is behind a paywall. This is why 'patron only' content is a thing as
mentions.

Not sure what set your tard rage off about 'devs' and "indie studio's" but the OP is talking about a donation button on a once free product (walkthroughs) and it seems like you have shoehorned your own pet peeve into the conversation.

Keep in mind also that this isn't donating money to someone doing anything particularly useful this is donating money to someone to tell you how to play a video game. This is also coming from the same people who already drove the printed walkthrough niche into extinction and considering that arguably more time and effort goes into the printed media I think it's fair to say that a donation button on intangible online media is a bit underhanded.

As for the rest of your post you failed to address one critical thing. Who ensures quality control and scam prevention with donations? You talk a lot about "muh poor developers" but what about people to donate to the ones that go bust? Those people could have used that money for other things but with no legal recourse it simply vanishes.

Also using terms like
and making huge chunks of lengthy melodramatic run on sentences is an easy way to out yourself.

Didn't that back fire of them when the Southern rebellion started in Jones County, Mississippi, when the civilians realized they were fighting for the elite rather than their own ideals?

well theyd like to, they just dont have any ground to stand on. but your point is that theyre not doing anything to help society right? well now we have trump

They must have really meant ancient by the "Old Values" then because Europe did not have legal slavery at the time.

But you're wrong. There were more Jewish slave owners than White slave owners. You're delusional if you think the Southern States did not have a lot of rich Jews ruining everything. Lots of influential people of the time wrote about the subject, including some of the Founding Fathers.

He just said the left were the ones keeping slavery alive. What do you expect? Those right wing abolitionists really hated the "old values" of ancient rome and shit.

My main point was that, when people say, "The South went to war because they wanted slavery," there's a sort of implication that everyone in the South owned slaves or wanted to own slaves. The latter may have been true, I don't know, but it's an unfair and incorrect implication because almost no one actually did own slaves. It was a few thousand people at most.

But then somehow that small number of people owning slaves means that everyone who fought for the South in the Civil War was a slave-owning rapist, when most of them would never have had the chance to ever own a slave anyway.

In fucking implying.
Stormfags don't want anything to do with intervention to that extent or censorship. They're been against censorship since the start, so it wouldn't make sense for them to want to fire someone for having different views (this is what differentiates old school conservatives from stormfags, they did and do want censorship).

My point is literally what I said: SJWs ruin the lives of people who disagree with them. Anti-SJWs don't because they believe they have the right to say what they want, even if it's retarded.

Well they were still useful idiots for slave-owners who, by their own admission, were fighting purely for the cause of slavery, which isn't much better.

What is wrong with donating, goy?

Indeed.

People who think others are motivated only by the reward/punishment paradigm see humanity on the same level as dogs. But mankind has higher drives and motivations than animals.

My dog knows when I'm sick and tries to comfort me, knowing I won't or can't reward him for it. My dog is better than jews.

No there weren't. The percentage of Jewish families in the South that owned slaves was vastly higher than the percentage of non-Jewish families in the South that owned slaves, but that's largely due to the fact that there weren't that many Jews in the South and they were richer than the vast majority of Southerners, which made them more likely to have the means of owning slaves.

Jews were a rarity in the South around the time of the Civil War. A significant portion of them owned slaves, but the number of Jewish slaveowners was vastly lower than the number of non-Jewish slaveowners.

i wonder if a pet jew would do your taxes for you when youre sad.

I don't give a shit if they have a donate button, in fact I'm all for people being able to get rewarded for their work if others feel like throwing a buck their way.

The second they try to make it mandatory is the second I pull out my torch and pitchfork.
>yfw we will live to see an era where you have to pirate FAQs

If you haven't noticed over the past century or so, jews have been grooming people to be dogs.

>pretending to be getting this assmad over a donate button so everyone else will get mad at you

I never knew, the first pic was amazing.

GameFAQs also has a "bounty" system which has been around forever. If you are the first person to put out a guide for a game you, basically, get refunded the price of the game.

Yes because people shouldn't be allowed to receive money for their work right? Jesus you hypocrites talk all about being republican, supporting capitalism and a true free market but then you complain about someone making money for their work? You understand that writing a detailed walkthrough with a table of contents and a easy to understand structure can be more difficult then writing an article for something like the New York Times, something people actually have careers and college degrees for? How bout you get off your fat ass and get a job instead of complaining about how people make their money through a legitimate legal system?

LEARN WHAT A FUCKING SYNECDOCHE IS YOU PATHETIC FUCKING NIGGER JESUS CHRIST YOU'RE LIKE A FUCKING KID AT THE LUNCH TABLE WHO OBJECTS TO EVERY FUCKING METAPHOR

This had better be ironic.

Christ you guys getting easily triggered.

Don't see what the big deal is, if someone wants to toss a couple at bucks at someone for their work, let them, nobody is forcing you to give them anything, plus the assumption that someone actually lives off that is a special breed of retarded, you're making an issue out of nothing pretty much.

That's because you lack the intelligence for foresight.

Oh god please educate us enlightened one. hang yourself

Mafia.

Staff knew they'd get extra money at the end of the night if they gave preferential treatment to people who'd pay at the end of their meals for the extra focus they'd be given, and in the great depression the mafia were the ones throwing the money around as they were making loads of money off bootlegging booze. It started from that, with the low pay being due to the decrease of general profits and thus pay caused by the great depression.

What guides?
I agree that the site is dogshit but some of the stuff I've noticed poofing off the site was genuinely good shit that I wish I saved

Waiters aren't allowed to make less than minimum wage, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Unless there's been some big change recently, many places consider tips to be part of their workers wages, so they can get away with directly paying less

This actually isn't wrong.

Holla Forums.
Where someone just putting up a donate button as a suggestion to maybe give a little tip to the effort and work they have been putting out is a fucking scandal.

You fucking faggots.

Ok, what if they put up videos or use some other platform that uses advertisements.
Ok, so what if they just put their labor behind a paywall completely?

You should really just go to tumblr and engage in your communist faggotry there.

Yeah. But they make minimum wage regardless of how many or little tips they get.

Is that King Charlemagne's skeleton?

$0.01 has been deposited into your account.

Ofcourse it was about slaves.

The South wanted them to work the fields.
The North needed them to work factories.

The civil war was about Old money vs. New money but that doesn't sound so good so they don't teach that in school.

Unlikely since gamefaqs has had a donation system since the 90s and there's still no paywall.

The American system has it's advantages. In my country service doesn't care and will treat you like shit if they feel like it. They get paid a wage no matter what. It's mostly students who don't see it as a career.

But user, communism is the ideology that DEMANDS all interactions be commidified and regulated by a centrally planned market, not capitalism.

What? Slavery is poison to industrial society. In an agricultural society non-slaveowners still have land to farm so they can at least feed their families even if they're kept poor indirectly by slave labor suppressing crop prices. There's no land to farm in a city, slave factory labor would be directly replacing free citizens and forcing them into starvation.

Look at how many race riots happened in the north just in reaction to free blacks taking up jobs. If slave labor somehow moved north despite it being illegal everywhere, either the cities would depopulate, or they would burn.

Holy fuck user pick up a fucking book.

Isn't that state socialism? I thought communism was the magical end point where we stop being human and everyone somehow gets what they need with no planning and no one being compelled to work or give up what they make.

user if you already understand that nuance there's nothing we need to discuss.

to feel better about themselves?

To see Sony's talking points before they get shilled to the general public?

You must be new.
Or you don't know how modding communities are nowadays, but I have no idea how you skipped it without being new.

Lurk more.

Built on our B[l]acks

IT'S A
DONATE BUTTON
NOT A
PAYWALL

Look another one.

But humans ARE animals, you can pretend you've been modernized all you want and that you have use of conscience, can tell from "right" and "wrong" when making decisions but when it comes instinct and deep behavior we are no different from beasts and beasts must be disciplined, from the very moment you are born and being exposed to all different kinds of stimuli and ideas, you are being disciplined and shaped up to be and behave in very specific ways.

what did he mean by this ?

Except you're missing that it's completely optional to pay for it.
You can read the guide and not even pay for it.

If the guide were behind a paywall and it was required that you pay to access it then yes.

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…Yeah, slick missed generations of games to make that idiotic statement.

Have you ever seen how much missable shit there is in these games? Not to mention the fact that it carries over between installment.

Well, by their very nature, it's incredibly rare that a released game is ever really finished

If anything the turn around between "release/creation" (cuz some games are pre-industrial and all that) and "completion" for video games is much lower than that of prior technologies or eras. I mean it took generations for chess to standardize, and war games and DnD both require continuous revision. While it's easy to focus on the well made games that were released previously, a large portion of them were as unfinished and unpolished as the games people point to today (although obviously there's a world of a difference in wasting a couple thousand bucks on Bubsy and millions on Mass Effect), those games couldn't have obvious bugs or oversights quickly fixed by patching and updates. That being said, that "quick fix" brings its own problems, as it lets QA get deprioritized.

I guess the big difference between video games and traditional games is that video games are, much of the time, seen as a one and done deal, except for "seasonal" games or fully life consuming ones like MMOs.

Yes, I can also understand.
Some walkthrough are so well written, I would even donate.

Like some 15 years ago when I used extensively detailed Fallout and Fallout 2 walkthroughs, I would have gladly paid the guy, he really wrote gems

Besides I'm all for encouraging quality Walkthrough writing, because a good walkthrough helps you enjoy the game so much better than a crappy one

The moderation there is amazingly retarded. There are countless shit threads mods will lock and preserve indefinitely instead of deleting outright. It's like getting your infants dirty diapers framed instead of tossing them in the trash.

The blacks were "liberated" and all moved North.
Blacks were paid less than white people and for a long time there were no unions for black people.

It allowed industry in the North to rapidly expand. Ofcourse this made black people hated in America because they were taking white people's jobs.

And even more basically, if that was the root cause of racial antipathy, why is the south so much more virulently racist than the North?

There's even a guy who wrote down the ENTIRE SCRIPT of Deus Ex.

Don't underestimate the power of autism.

gamefaqs.com/pc/250533-deus-ex/faqs/51057

People also did that for the majority of the squaresoft games, the first four xeno games, and probably other JRPGs as well.

*South

Is someone twisting your arm to donate to them? No? Then who the fuck cares you tremendous autist?

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I'm interested in that first game but don't want to type it out.

I don't know what contest ZekKekHek is upset about, but i support everything in his post.

GameFAQs is useful, no doubt, but a DONATE BUTTON for a walkthrough is silly. It's not necessary to read the page like WSJ or something, but it's still silly.

You're one of them, aren't you?

Litmus test: Do you agree with pic related?
Hard Mode: Is abortion murder?

Mentality of fools

Synecdoches are for retards.

Please kill yourself.

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The donate button has been on GameFAQs for years since before imageboards. This is not Patreon memery, just notice how it looks like the donate buttons on the bottom of late 90's websites.

shhhhh
let these faggots get mad over nothing at all.
What else do they have? Its not like they play video games.

OP is literally an ungrateful faggot who pirates all the games he loves and leaches of all the people who have the knowledge he wants.
nobody is forcing you to pay you wanker

they spent time doing this for your and other people's benefit, they deserve compensation, as what they did benefits society in some way.

There are people with 'jobs' that do much worse things for society, the human race as a whole and the planet - yet they get paid.

Reconsider your perspective on this OP you fucking retard

Butthurt walkthrough writers detected.

but is he wrong? You didn't even retort, you just deflected like a bitch

FFVII: Crisis Core has a guide so in-depth that I genuinely don't understand how he possibly could have had access to all of that information without having worked on it or at least having access to the source code.

Wew.

Does Gamefaqs still do that best game ever or character battle thing they normally do yearly? Or did that all end recently? I used to satisfy muh autism watching that for the salt, but dunno if it even happens anymore ever since the whole Undertale incident.

If you niggers seriously don't know why paid mods were reacted to negatively you shouldn't fucking be here.

It isn't a hard fucking concept to grasp.

so fucking what