So what's the last Jap RPG that actually had a non-bad plot or writing?

Didn't read the full thread, just the OP.

Do you even read or understand Japanese or your only experience of the language is when its "localized" by your western censors?

Just play games from good developers. Asking this pretty much confirms you have no idea OP, or you are baiting and implying the games suck.

I find the writing of Rance games to be pretty good

No such thing. Nips and gooks can only write childish garbage about teenagers saving the world. Part of the reason autists are obsessed with that bullshit is that they can actually understand the social situations. From the hyper-emotional over-acting to the blatant explanation of character thoughts, it's no surprise jrpg fandom is full of 'em.

Yeah, why aren't they writing enlightened western stories about teenaged lesbian hipsters or taking down Drumpf?

lmao, that is one of the worst written games in existence. Holy shit m8.

I'd agree with that too, but OP didn't ask that, did he?

Well yeah everything about this thread is pretty much for someone to say Nier:Automata.
Now I said it can I get another well written game with interesting story? I am actually curious and in need of such thing.

ABSOLUTELY PLEBIAN

can you keep you autism in your pants? You don't need to virtue single in every single post that you brows Holla Forums. It gets really old m8.

Jesus christ you lefties are fucking retarded.

The Xeno series is a mess with, but at least it had a lot of clever references to religion and philosophy.

Because their audience is mostly kids and teens. Strangely it western jrpg fans that are like that though that might be because westerners are losing their grip on reality every day.

I'd say Tales of the Abyss, the only tales with a half decent story, subverts a lot of what you mentioned but that's mostly thanks to Jade.

Wii/PS3/360 era jrpgs had more adult protags in 'em but I never played too many to have an opinion as a whole. I played the Operation Rainfall ones and of them I liked Pandora's Tower the since it kept the scope of the plot close and personal, but had a rich backdrop.

Was the "suddenly ophan friends but forgot" bit a localization blunder or was it like that in the Jap version too?

That's in the Japanese too. FF8 is essentially a concept art book that has gameplay segments, it's only real goal is to look and feel pretty. The story was an afterthought. Fucking piece of shit game.

Nier Automata.

JRPG has never had any good writing.

It's quite rare for western RPG as well to have any good writing, but they rely on great interactivity with NPC's and the world. JRPG has shit interactivity.

I don't think good writing has any place in video game either. What game does Kafka fit in? Video games are entertainment, therefore they strive towards creating the fantastic, while true artists try to avoid the fantastic.

That said, while western games don't have great writing, japanese games have offensively bad writing. Nier's writing convinced me to sell my PS4.

His sarcasm comes off like a smug teenager who thinks himself a master of banter, but beneath that, he was a really interesting guy. Possibly more so than the main character but then I'd be describing every JRPG ever.

This is the most pretentious shit I've ever read on Holla Forums.

Is this lame attempt at breaking the 4th wall official? Well at least if it is official then it means it made it past localizers.

Man, pick up a Dostoevsky book, seriously.

I thought Lost Odyssey was pretty good.

It's not a lame attempt at a fourth wall break, user.
While 2B is certainly very attractive, this is being said to the real main character.

Behavior-wise he's more of a psychopath (as described in medical terms). I liked him since he kept the party from going full JRPG and reminded them of the reality of the situation, smugly of course.

Looks like anzu, the turk trap.

Yeah fuck the Sistine Chapel.

Literally who?

Jade was a psychopath, yet was aware of it and tried to be a moral person in spite of it (to an extent). Like a machine that knows it's broken but tries to work anyway. That's why he was so interesting, though that's just the kind of thing that appeals to my tastes. I didn't really like anyone else in the party though, except Guy, I think.

faith =/= fantasy

That's an entirely arbitrary distinction and not one that is historically attested to.

Xenoblade wasn't so bad.
Hope 2 delivers.

Now that we're talking about Tales of the Abyss I point out Luke was a better character before the haircut.

Are you a nigger or something?

I can't really agree, but I can't really disagree either. Luke before the haircut is a total douchebag. If he was like that the whole game he'd be unbearable. If his character development was becoming an amusing douchebag while also becoming a better guy underneath his douchebag exterior, I'd be down with that.

Post-haircut Luke is just a typical anime hero man who's nice and heroic and power of friendship and blah blah whatever. He mostly gets blander instead of kinder.

I think Shulk counts as a better version of typical anime hero mentioned above, as at least he had some bite to him and more characterization than being a good guy. Not that much more, but enough to stand out from the usual fare.

As insufferable of a cunt as she was, Shion from Xenosaga is one of the most psychologically realistic depictions of a woman in any video game. Actually, thinking on it, it's not "in spite" of her cuntiness but because of it that she feels so real. Dumb ass Gnosis summoning jew bitch.

I agree. Luke's was technically only 7 and sheltered his entire life so old haircut Luke made of lot of sense. New new haircut Luke become too polite too quickly even with the shock of what he did because he probably didn't even know what polite was.

This is the same academy that told you that menstruation is art.

The Greco-Roman perception of art was primitive, that's why they often incorporated entertainment such as fantasy, pornography, and comedy into their supposedly high art. The notion of art was only perfected in 19th-20th century.

You get the idea.

I can't really agree with that because he was the son of nobility, wasn't he? All he had to do was start imitating all the people who sucked up to his dad.

Which would have been fun if he started doing that at first then eventually gave up and decided manners had to come later, he had to save the world first.

Trails in the Sky.

Move the fuck aside, kids

Disgusting and wrong.

I noticed that the telltale trait of lefties, nigs, kikes, muds and other subhumans in general is that they always act like a pot calling the kettle black.

I remember Guy mentioning that he was spoiled after being "recovered" so while he may have seen it he probably lacked the empathy to know why being polite was important.

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Holy shit, dude. I think you might be retarded.

He traveled the world surrounded by party members who were largely either cunts towards at least him or hiding things from him. He takes a mission from his surrogate father that ends in poisoning a town and the blame getting dumped on him. One party member was even playing spy on the others and got off more lightly for it than Luke did.

Dostoevsky is great, but he's not all there is. Look at Dante, Goethe, Shakespeare, or even Kafka himself; They all engaged in fantastical writing(unless you consider A Country Doctor to be realistic.)

You're not serious? The 20th century was just as bad for art and literature as the 21st century has been for film, so far. In fact it's probably worse. Aside from a few exceptions, like T.S. Eliot, that entire century was a drought, especially the latter half.

True, but he didn't know most of that, and stopped being a douchebag after learning most of that. And even if he had good reasons to be a douchebag, he was still a douchebag.

You are being a disingenuous cunt. Everyone knows there has been a massive push for infantilism in recent times, and consumers are getting younger, especially those that play video games. For adults when they reach a certain age they don't look towards video games for complex thoughts, they get into philosophy, books, etc. Video games are the last thing on their mind. Older Japanese games had more adult protags.

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Nice arguments.

Dante and Goethe created satire. They were great poets in a technical sense, but art wasn't the main thing they aimed to create. Kafka didn't engage in fantasy, he created poetic metaphor out of dream and reality, akin to Dostoevsky's quote: "Life is more fantastic than any fiction".

It's not about the quality of the art the period produced. Extensive research of the true notion of art was only conceived during the post modernism era. The classical concept of aesthetics was challenged by theorists such as as Eli Siegel, Truffaut, Deleuze, Artaud, etc, each with their different idea of aesthetics. Tarkovsky in Sculpting in Time, in a non methodical procedure, challenged the classical, modernist, and post modernist conception of aesthetics and concluded that the essence of art is the same as what is found in faith.

Xenogears isn't exactly "well written" but it's a very good game. What most people don't realize is that game is actually a homage to super robot and mecha anime, stuff like Nadia: Secret of Blue water, Giant Robo/Johnny Socko, Macross, Gundam, Evangelion, etc. All of it is glued together with techno-religious chuuni shit. It's the kind of thing that would normally be pure shit, but it somehow worked out into a great game. Disc 2 would have been great if Square didn't throw the dev team under the bus for the steaming pile of shit known as FF8.

Final Fantasy 1 for NES

Dark Souls 3
Nier Automata
Persona 5

Good joke user, but a game needs to have writing in the first place to have good writing.

That's even funnier.

I must ask the fundamental question. So, what is Holla Forums's standard for good writing?

And what we gained from this "challenging" of aesthetics is utterly shit art (sometimes in a literal sense). 20th century set the stage for post-modernism of today, and is therefore one of the worst periods for art in human history, the worse being only the 21st century.

Another hour, another fucking mentally ill normalfag spouting delusional shit about something he has no comprehension of. Every fucking thread is like this now. People have lost their fucking minds.

If you are a fan of something Japanese in 2017 you can fuck off forever because everyone will be relentlessly shitting on you and everything you are into 24/7. The Western world has lost its fucking mind.

Is that a joke, Dark Souls 3 has writing though?
But why?

And yet people like you don't bother to address why some these theorists are wrong. You can't stop them from getting paid for making shit art because you can't build a more convincing concept of what good art is. This is the kind of challenge that the academia needs. What we gain from this challenge is the motivation to understand our shit better, without being challenged we wouldn't truly learn about anything. Edison wouldn't build electric lamp if candles could stay lit for years.

What makes you think that what you have stated was lucid and coherent enough to warrant a response? How do you form a argument in response to a series of statements so full of nonsensical presuppositions that you have no idea where to start?

Here's a list of some that stand out:

Where are these Evola JRPG pics coming from? There's another here:

Sure I can, since a better concept had already been in place in the centuries prior. The currect concept of "art" is perpetuated by leftists circle jerking each other about how a shit smeared on canvas represents the plight of Beninese prostitutes and shit like that, while making sure to tell anyone that disagrees that he's dumb and uneducated, or if that fails, then at least relativise "art" into meaninglessness. I have yet to meet anyone, and I mean anyone including the faggiest of normalfags, who don't think modern art is fucking retarded.

A lot of japanese games understand how to properly punctuate story beats which is far more effective than trying to write a deep, rich story. Western games dont quitefet this, and many of the rpgs inject text upon text of exposition in the least graceful way possible.

I think panzer dragoon saga has both a rich story and a very elegantly told one. That and its subtle fourth wall integration made for a very enjoyable story.

That said, there has never been a well written western game in a pacing or a philosophical sense. Deus ex and planescape torment are awful.

This user gets it. The Baroque was the height of Western Civilization's artistic tradition. The modern period of artistic involution marks the death and decay of the civilization's artistic tradition, not its evolution.

I don't think philosophy fits video games anyway. Not sure how to comment on the pacing issue, though. Wouldn't know the first thing about proper game pacing.

It can fit in just fine. A common point is addressing the players or the creators role in the game itself and it often leads to some interestinf metaphor or discussion points.

It's not even that. Baroque, impressionism, realism, and all the many other directions art took had one thing in common – they were art. All of them had their qualities, all of them created something great. What we have today is "art" that exists as more of a commercial product, that has no good qualities whatsoever, and whose sole purpose is never to create, but to destroy something else. It's a perversion; a bad parody on what real art is.

TLoH: Trails of Cold Steel II

Yes they are? We must first know the meaning of art.

Yes? The erotic, comedic, make-believe, they exist to satisfy our more evident desires such as lust. Art is certainly beyond that, unless you agree that farting is art.

No I didn't, art is inspired by life itself. And what does social life has anything to do with fantasy?

If it got subverted so easily, it would be because the foundation wasn't strong enough.

And art has it's own purpose.

Fantasy is not a truthful metaphor to life itself. And dream is our honest perception of reality, and therefore dreams and reality can't be separated. Dream, as in something that comes when you're asleep, not daydreaming.

They made parody of life.

Fantastic as in make-believe, because fantasy as a noun is the fiction.

It's like someone accuses you of stealing but your only defense is "but I didn't steal" without providing further argument and evidence. Fallacy.

"Fucking retarded", wew, such a powerful argument.

Xenogears, Final Fantasy 7, Vagrant Story 2.

Best written "RPG" of all time is the Prophet module series for NWN1.

What we in the west fever to as "theory" are the writings and ideas of European philosophers taken out of the context of place and time, translated into a language that lacks the proper terms to even explain what it is they are speaking of, and completely sanitized of nuance in order to form a nice, friendly package that fits in with the translator's ideals (usually based in Marxism, because communist ideology thrived in academia in the 20th century).

"Theory" has no place in the conversation because it is based on a society and social order that do not exist anymore. It's a irrelevant as asking about what horse-drawn carriages circulate a modern city.

You know what this sort of "challenge" has given us? Ever increasing reduction and minimalism. The ultimate artwork of the 20th century was a white square on a white background. There may be some merit in making the focus on production rather than the final form (anyone who put a Pollock in a museum missed the point), but we have 3D printers now. Anyone can make anything, thus production itself has no value.

I wasn't trying to argue, I was stating a fact. Or… user, do you actually like modern art?

Doubling down on your own retardation and demonstrating that you chronically miss the point does not make you less retarded.

Any fact to support it?

Then in this case, it's not a modern city, but a modern city that has been nuked into stone age settlement.

Yes? Of course they managed to justify their lack of effort, but they're innocent until proven guilty.

Well, art produces added value. Are you gonna argue that film isn't produced, only the camera?

No.

No.

They why are you trying to defend it so hard? Modern art is utter shit, that's a fact. It is the worst "art" direction in human history due to producing nothing of alue and fucusing itself on destroying other things of value. That's also a fact. Ergo, the concept of art that came before is superior to the "art" of today.

It was actually life advice.

Shitting your pants so bad that people view you as a lost cause isn't winning an argument, its shitting your pants.

No I'm not? I'm criticizing the lack of critical thinking from those who opposed it. They only spew subjective opinion such as "it's bad", "it's shit", "it's effortless" without giving any meaningful argument of why they're objectively not art.

ad homonem

FE4, FE6, FE7, and FE8.

Strange Journey.

fire emblem games have awful stories

My nigga. It was fairly good.
Some user says the plot is pretty much like Die Hard

You're just relativising everything to meaninglessness. To me, art is any object of extraordinary quality, but of couse a fuckload of people will disagree with that. Then someone will pull out some shitty dictionaries and start arguing semantics, until eventually fags come shouting "art is subjective! It's anything!" and the discussion dies.

Fuck that. I know that modern art is shit for the reasons I outlined in my previous posts, which is why I hate it and want it gone. I don't give a shit if there are some cretins that disgree with the definition and want to turn everything into a discussion about semantics.

What's bad about them?

Shadowhearts or Skies Of Arcadia. Else is trash.

poorly planned, weak dialog, flaccid story beats, lack of characterization, predictable twists and events, they leave a lot to desire and the way they roll out feels more like saturday morning cartoons than an actual vehicle for any decent story telling to take place. Games aren't meant for stories, and fire emblem never produced a good one.

What's good about them?

I'd like to know too. I'd really like to know.

That's the ultimate challenge.

(B) HATE MODERN ART

No, it's still not going anywhere.

ART ARF ARF ART ARF

cute one dimensional characters is the best I can muster, even the game play leaves a lot to desire.

You don't play games.

Sengoku Rance

Wew. Remind me which of these men wrote in English? There have been many MANY discussions on this very board about nuance and meaning in translation. The English text of Being and Time still includes German words because it deals with concepts that cannot be properly conveyed in English. Plus, just about all of this was written before the iPod was released. The world has changed.

I doubt post-war Hiroshima cared much for the musings of a French poet.

U wot. You realize that post-modernism stresses the act of creation over the final product, yeah? The awareness of cliché and derivative works are what critique was all about. Derrida himself said that deconstruction was inherently Marxist. I'll take his word here.

I'm not saying that post-modernism is complete shit. It has its place, but I feel that it's time has come and gone and now we're all standing around the ruins pretending that the foundation still stands.

THIS
is what a real user looks like, faggot.

So what do we call the next thing, then, if this shit ever ends? Post-Post-Modernism? Classic Modernism? Neo-Modernism?

Read a book, nigger.

You're right retarded if you don't know how good some RPGs can be with their world building. JRPGs taught me about the kikes earlier than I imagined.

Again, another faggot that doesn't play games and is on the cusp of losing their livelihood.

Oh, and
The act itself is not, the logical conclusion however is an intellectual and cultural dead end

Is that supposed to be a house??

The word can be fuck if you want it to be
It's more likely that it's kill

this is an incredible series of posts

Anyone bringing up film has no home here. Like considering Xenosaga was good because it had props worth putting a camera on.

Possibly a form of "super-modernity" as theorized by the protective or "post-critical" architects of the 90's and 2000's. The theory of design intelligence status that buildings are derivative by nature, thus the best buildings are made by fitting the best parts of existing buildings into a cohesive whole. It's admitted a more cold and business-focused ideology that treads dangerously close to design by committee.

Fucking perfect

Have to lay it out sometimes. I have nothing but funs for faggots on Holla Forums that don't play.

Yes. Designed by Mies van der Rohe, the Farnsworth House is considered one of the best works of modern architecture (note that "modern" refers to a specific aesthetic and style).

Loljknvm my phone is just retarded

literally everything aa519c has posted is pomo bullshit that's incorrect as fuck.

it's incredible how dumb you can be

Seems you have a beef with me, faggot. Unless you are local I'm not going to have the opportunity to curb stomp you unfortunately.

I could destroy half of it with a slingshot. I fucking hate it. I thought you had to be smart to build a house. This is the kind of crap I'd expect a Communist society to live in, people stuck in glass boxes like fish in aquariums. It's all white and angles, lifeless and sterile. I don't know the first thing about houses, I just know that I hate this thing.

But it's art user. Glass House, Phillip Johnson

Don't you like glass? this is right in front of the Louvre

This is, I mean

This shit is like what a supervillain would build. That all the doors would lock one day and a helicopter would fly in and lift it and the family off in a helicopter so he can build his new Human Zoo.

Oh boy a polygon, so exciting, so though-provoking. It'd be more artistic to see it get hit by a bus.

Eli Siegel does. But the evidence that I mean isn't the meaning lost in translation, but how those theorists are wrong due to their incapability to translate and be translated. And in a big scope.

No, you said that classical theory from the old society holds no value in modern world, then I said that if that was true then we're more primitive than the old society. We ignore more than the ancient people did, according to you.

Creating something to be sold isn't production? Technically, they added value to some junk they had, the product of critique as you said. That's the final product.

It actually is.

I'm not implying anything, but it has nothing to do with the purpose of art, and therefore can't be classified as art.

Satire?

Correct, super villians as kikes observe.

Off by one.

Off by a long shot, kike. Know how you're meddling while this is all blowing up in your face.

Art is creation, destruction can never be art because nothing is created from it. Children and morons consider destruction art because the like bright lights and loud noises. True adults would never consider destruction to be art. Hence, you are either a child or a moron.

Last good run was during the PS2 era.

This is too retarded to be Holla Forums, stop false flagging, /leftynig/

Holla Forums lives in your head

You just know.

Holla Forums isn't Trumptasticand let's stop this before I have to go tie up Mark.

It's because they embrace linearity and design scenarios theatrically, like scenes in a play or a skit, rather than as text dumps. Since you meet character at a predetermined point in time the writer can design more easily design scenes where they interact in accordance to the progress of the plot. It's when you have odd optional side characters like with Shadow, Vincent or Yuffie in Final Fantasy or basically everyone in Chrono Cross that you have limited development because the developers can design fewer scenes for them. Odd gems like Suikoden handle side characters very well though.

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You're a pseudo-intellectual faggot just like said.
It's Ad hominem, you fag. At least stay in character.
That pretty much sums it up.

t. weeb

We're going to have a fun summer.

Most western games are more about introducing the gently defined world and characters. Your character is a plank you can draw your face on, and sometimes even the NPC's are planks. Planks with muh lore of course.

JRPG's are a bit dumber though. They're a mixture of melodrama, jojo references, shadow the hedgehog, and fapbait. Nothing in between, no matter how hard you search for it.

Indeed.

(You)

I hate the trend of plebeians trying to try their hand at philosophy. Mongrels, trying to reinvent the wheel because they never learned how to read anything with more pages than their fingers can count. The what of art has been answered thousands of years ago, if not tens of thousands of years ago. The why and how has also been answered. Mental midgets always try to complicate the simplest of things.

In terms of subtly even Persona is better than most wrpgs, which basically rely on characters blurting out everything to you confessional style, sometimes more than you'd care to know if it's Bioware.

But Near a Tomato has a bad plot and bad writing.

It has already been invented, but nowadays anything that glides is called a wheel, because the definition of wheel itself was vague.

Yeah, vaguely.

I'm not describing strength

Jojo is from 1987.

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This is complete bullshit. People refute the pomo faggots all the time, it just doesn't make any impact because their goal is destruction and suffering, not correctness. (You think I'm exaggerating, but here's an example of this in architecture: katarxis3.com/Alexander_Eisenman_Debate.htm )

Fine then fails at describing in the general sense.
Jojo was hardly a buzzword back in 1978.

This entire thread is just

Now that the dust has settled, can we admit that this website is entirely populated by reddit runoff?

I don't care what I am. It's a boring hunk of glass and I wouldn't regret seeing it removed, it's an eyesore. I may be a moronic child who loves fireworks too much but at least I don't enjoy shit like that so I can pretend to be smart.

THEY ARE BECOMING SELF AWARE
I WARNED YOU ITS THE PEDOPHILE AI TECHNOTRONIC SYSTEM
YEAAAAAAARRRGH

Like a fucking clockwork. Get out of there goon.

Don't be so tsun-tsun.

thanks for triggering me. I honestly can't decide weather or not to hate Eisenman because he actually brings up good points once in a while (specifically on autonomy and form)

Try to shittalk Poe you nigger and I'll fucking end you.

People don't really play JRPG's for their writing. They play them for the setting, the unapologetically astronomical/bizarre outcomes of the story, their David Bowie look-alike protagonists, and waifus.
People sometimes play JRPG's just for the gameplay, but thing is: these people usually appreciate the outliers in the JRPG market. Your average JRPG has basically the exact same boring gameplay as Final Fantasy IV """with some gimmicks""", but occasionally a game like Xenoblade will shake it up and that's great compared to your average WRPG

That being said, JRPG's are not inherently bad RPG's. It's just I think the WRPG's are better set up for good storytelling and complex/meaningful writing.

Chrono trigger

good luck finding one
teenagers are the audience, so expect teenager crap

amen

I'm kind of indifferent to the souls writing, but the voice acting is fantastic. I think they use like smaller, play actors and stuff. No troy bakers, nolan norths and steve blums like every other fucking game today. I can't stand that shit. Automatically hearing the voice actor and not the character. Same problem with Hollywood mega stars. Hard to buy the character when they're in every damn thing.

Direction has way more to do with VO quality than most people realize. Plenty of the big guys are good actors with enough range to not just use the same voice for everything, but that doesn't mean shit when publishers just want to cast Nolan North as Nolan North for the hundredth time, or the director isn't giving the VAs the context to understand what's going on in a scene and what their characters are feeling.

Earthbound is simple and not trash

I agree, the voice direction in Souls games is unmatched. You could take the most shallow NPC in the series in terms of plot, and they still sound fantastic, mainly because their accents and emotions seem genuine.

I usually get a fake British vibe from many modern AAA western games, and mannerisms unnatural. I'm not even an English native speaker and I can spot that a mile away. So it's funny to me how a Jap studio and publisher would nail that aspect better than most.

Earthbound is great, but I wouldn't call it good writing. Not because it's bad, but because there's not much to begin with.

Thats why its good video game writing.

Also Paper Mario TTYD

Literally the only character to undergo any personal change and growth is Porky.

This. Lost Odyssey was genuinely well written. One of the few reasons I've been considering buying a 360 lately.

Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important.
That said, just as a porn movie with a good story is amazing, a video game with a good story can also be amazing.

sToRy iN A GaMe iS LiKe a sToRy iN A PoRn mOvIe. It's eXpEcTeD To bE ThErE, bUt iT'S NoT ThAt iMpOrTaNt.

>>>/reddit/
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i only came into this thread to scold you for using normalfag memes. go lash yourself

mate you should kill yourself

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you should lurk more

amen

I take it you are not well versed in your Carmack?

I'm at a loss for words.

Checked.

normalfag memes are fucking horrific dude, and unfortunatley i'm completely up to date on them because all my IRL friends are normalfags

also, quad 4s, lucky you

Very ignorant statement, there are video games that are story driven, which require the story to carry at least half of the game.

Legend of Dragoon.
Alternatively, Super Mario RPG.

Name some.

Yeah I always liked the Mario RPG's. Regardless of studio or style they do, they always pull of a quirky sense of humor quite well.

FFIX was pretty well written for a jrpg. I mean what a fair amount of people in this thread seem to be doing is comparing apples to oranges here. If you want some deep story you're going to have to scrounge through older 80s and 90s point and clicks based off of or inspired by shit like that to begin with. I just feel like shit can be well-written within the genre that it is and not to some eternal standard of good writing. Like cape shit movies, there are some with good writing, I assume, relative to other ones in their genre. Same with jrpgs. Mother 3 was pretty good I thought. The whole experience was very tight despite acting kind of like DQIV with it's various chapters involving different members of the cast.

>ywn get mouthraped by a mystic transvestite for PSI powers

I'd argue pretty much any old-school point and click, like Sam & Max, Harvester and especially Myst.

Fair point.

SMT Strange journey

disgusting

Really?

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all of them