Fastforward to 28:00 to see a self-described white gentrifier in a head scarf spends over 10 minutes telling other...

Fastforward to 28:00 to see a self-described white gentrifier in a head scarf spends over 10 minutes telling other white people to shut up, aptly demonstrating everything that is wrong with identity politics on the left.

Is there any hope Holla Forums? Can we get people to read Bookchin and abandon this identitarian nonsense?

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Virtue signaling

Why should we even bother with these dumb proles?

As far as the 2nd speaker goes, i feel like its the content of their ideas I agree with, but the way they say things are still insanely condescending and dickish. In general, the second speaker communicated her ideas very poorly, to a point where it just kind of rubs me the wrong way having to sit and listen to her. In a way, I get the feeling sometimes the people that like doing this the most are more there for attention, not really about "struggling" with anything.

"You're not needed."

"You don't know what ___ is, shut up."

There's a real lack of tact here. Can you imagine ANY of these people radicalizing white folks in Appalachia? I can't. At all.

We just need to make these people as despised as the white nationalists tbqh

Why do white people think converting to Islam makes them any less white?

They are pretty despised already.
The problem is people associate them with us.

That whole video made me disappointed to be a leftist. Is it just me or do these people not seem very smart either. I've never been to many meetings outside of anarchist groups but I've found that the anarchist groups I visit aren't filled with the brightest bulbs. sorry for being ableist, I'll police my language better in the future

preservation of an us vs them mentality

This is more to do with our PR than them, tbh.

"I will always be a gentrifier because you were born here and I moved here"

How is this not seen as Nazi bs?

JUST FORM A FUCKING TENANTS UNION YOU FUCKING DUMBASS PRICKS.

Anarchist thought seems to lack thought, typically. Actually, I guess it comes with the territory. Self-policing for hierarchy is a bit destructive when trying to fight outside hierarchy, and I think it's the way people try to approach anarchy, now.

The liberals are performing lebensraum!

Because it makes them "oppressed." I don't know honestly. White muslims are stupid unless they are Chechen.

Most westerners lack the discipline needed to take on a faith like Islam, anyway.

Yeah, it gets to the point where comrades are too busy fighting each other to fight the larger powers that be.

too cringey for me. This is worse than like 10 unroos.

this

This. It's basically the same thing with immigrants and wages. Owners set prices, not the workers.

Because that's lifestylism

Opinion discarded.

Look at her fucking channel. She's a religious nut. Of course she advocates lifestylism and asceticism.

what now?

Start your own business.

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Most anarchists are LARPers. It's really sad when even the MLs are better read. Of course this isn't true for all anarchists. Really just certain groups gravitate toward the lifestylism that seems so common. Really sad because anarchists have a lot of great theory.

Their lifestylism isn't really about "living like you're already free" or whatever the fuck Hakim Bey advocates. Rather, it's about absolving themselves of guilt from being born white and middle class in an imperialist country. "I'm a bigender polyamorous queer vegan hijabi, therefore I'm contributing to the struggle more than you!"

no seriously where are the maitanence workers, construction workers, waiters, busboys, janitors, mcdonalds employees and retail workers going to go when the entire city basically transforms into Tribeca?


Parts of East New York are asking $2300/month for a two bedroom apartment now. And this is East New York were talking. The area around Yankee stadium in the South Bronx is basically an okay place to live now.


This bubble gunna pop soon

You will be forced to commute into the city like with London.

Yeah I know what you mean. My parents took me to NYC as a kid during the late 90s/early 2000s and I remember how shitty Chinatown and Harlem still were. Now the entire city is a manifestation of hipsters, yuppies, and national bourgeoisie who recently migrated with money.

Boston is going down the same road. I grew up in Somerville. When I was a kid it was called "Slummerville" for a reason. Now it's basically Cambridge North with all the Starbucks white liberals and Harvard/MIT/Tufts students. You can rent a hole in the wall for $1000 a month.

She probably lives in Crown Heights off welfare and public housing.

I don't think so largely because for a lot of these identitarians, the cornerstone of their worldview is based on feeling empathy and asking people to fight for the rights of others purely to show they're good people and not because the fight to end racism/sexism/homophobia/etc has anything to do with their own struggles. Things like class struggle come across as selfish to them, and worse asks them to empathize with the vast majority of cis het white men who are statistically less likely to hold socially progressive views than basically any other demographic. They don't understand that the way to get them (and also many non-'cis het white men') into a social movement isn't to argue with/shame them until they realize racism is bad, but rather it's to provide a movement that ties anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, etc together along with a class struggle that fights for their economic freedoms as well, i.e. socialism. Suggesting this to identitarians though will always come across as trying to toss minorities under a bus in order to bring more bigoted white men into whatever movement or group they're part of.

OK lmao

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If this is the face of the left, it'll never get anywhere. The working class will grab their pick axes and shotguns to brutally murder them for being so repugnant rather than hunting for bacon.

I will never understand people like this. It's just a quirk of our time that whites are the ones in power. Hell Turks used to wholesale breed whites as sex slaves and soldiers.

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The middle east was the center of the world in terms of knowledge when the mongols went in to slaughter.

Ignore academia. They're unnecessary to revolution and counterproductive to social movements.
Their goals are to map out and explore new and speciffic social elements and so therefore they can get extremely speciffic about things that makes no sense to ordinary people. Instead we need assemblies of normal people talking out their issues like normal people.

Only then will you have a social movement.

So stop caring about these people. They will by their nature always be fringe elements.

It's like you lack self-awareness or something. Typical of SJW's,

MLs are generally quite well read in my experience. It's mostly what they're reading which is the problem..

They're not, they're more or less the bulk of the boots on the ground of any leftist "activism" these days.

It's unfortunate but there's not very much anyone can do about it user.

Academia is filled with such suck holes at the moment however, I'm almost convinced they're causing detrimental effects to sciences as a whole, the general replication crises.

I think the obsession with being a hijabi some of these weirdos have is born out of a sublimated desire for some sort of feminine modesty and tradition.

Think about groups like FEMEN. So long as they were literally pissing on crosses and shitting on the Orthodox Church, western idpol feminists were 100% behind them. As soon as they started doing the same thing with regards to Islam and Islamic countries, western idpol feminists turned on them with fury.

What's the implicit message here? Any sort of sexual modesty or tradition is for hijabis, the only acceptable archetype for a white girl is slut. There are literally zero good role models for young white girls today. SAD!

For an example of just how corrupt liberal academia is:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diederik_Stapel

To give you an idea of scale, this guy basically went on manufacturing datasets wholesale for years, all under the noses of supposed review boards.

If you parrot the things they want about diversity and multiculturalism and whatever, their standard of proof declines dramatically.

"You're not necessary, you're opinion doesn't matter"


AHHHHHHHHHHHH

Love this.

Because Muslims are the new noble savage archetype. "Islam is a perfect ideology on which to structure a society, it's perfectly egalitarian and inclusive, everyone is equal in Allah's eyes, Muslims dindu nuffin until the white colonials forced their hierarchies on to them."

I think it's a mixture of that and your usual New Age Orientalist exoticism that you see with white converts to Buddhism and Hinduism.

Though I guess it's funny hearing late 20s white female converts to Islam talk about how their youthful days of drug/alcohol/sex-fuelled debauchery were ultimately unfulfilling and meaningless

The commodity has now colonized every aspect of life, rendering what was once a capitalist economy into a capitalist culture. It has produced literally a “marketplace of ideas,” in which the coin for exchanging inchoate notions and intuitions is validated by the academy, the corrupter par excellence of the “best and brightest” in modern society and the eviscerator of all that is coherent and clearly delineable. Indeed, never has “high culture,” once guarded by academic mandarins, been so scandalously debased by academic presses that have become the pornographers of ideology. - Bookchin
social-ecology.org/wp/1995/08/theses-on-social-ecology-in-a-period-of-reaction/

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That looks like sarcasm to me buddy

I agree somewhat. Islam is exotic enough that they can approach religion from a perspective free of socioeconomic-bias. There are people who are hungry for religion, but when they hear the word God images of rednecks and suited republicans and demagogic preachers fill their head. "Allah" means God, but when they hear Allah they are able to understand submission to a higher power.

How the hell did you you expect them to not be shit?

I doubt this; there's plenty of activism that doesn't involve this idpol shit(like what we saw in Wisconsin during Scott Walker/Koch bros/"Right to Work"). If anything, the vocal minority of a movement just gets advertised or seen more. The crazier you are, the more you're broadcasted on MSM or local news. It's both "entertaining" & helps the ruling class demonize the left(the only real threat to them).

Yes, don't fight, anons. Just give in.

Speaking as someone who studied Islam, I have a hard time understanding why anyone would think Islamic theology lacks a class character. The Islamic calendar began when Islam became a state. Not to mention zakat is basically class collaborationism.

which means it could be horribly misused.

Like all charity and social democracy, zakat is pretty fucking hierarchical if you ask me. It's really nothing more than a religiously-mandated tax on excess income.

Identity politics divide people of the same material conditions, a self hating white person trying to impress niggers by telling other white people to shut up is just helping capitalism by dividing the underclass and making them turn to other poltical ideologies of the more Hitlerian cartoon frog variety.


There seems to be this strong vein in american leftism in particular of self hatred and hatred for the actual underclass, you know, the bible thumping, gun toting rednecks.

This elitism, actually drives people away and why trump can just swoop in, capture the working class and dunk on you retards

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The same flaws of patriarchy, imperialism, and oppression when found in non white non western cultures are ignored by the self flagellating liberal, they are maximized and shouted about when seen in their own.


This girl is a waking mass of guilt and contradictions.
Islam is probably one of the most reactionary religions in the world, even hitler praised it.

TV is not real life. Like I mention here the crazies or vocal minority is broadcasted in lieu of sane people. I'm from the south & working class; there's plenty of sane, lefties there.

To clarify further, most people working sometimes more than one job at a time, stuggling to keep roofs over their heads, could give a shit less about idpol. Whether they be from the left or right.

Although there are some limousine/reddit liberals who do have this fucked up mentality of shitting on the lower classes. We see it on both sides, unfortunately. Conservatives also demonize poor people & minorities.

mean to to tag in second post as well.

They won't reach them, for sure. I'm a lefty, born & raised in KY, near Appalachia. The last thing you should do, especially as an anarchist/socialist/communist is to demonize the poor, no matter what color. This is exactly why these people are a cancer on the left. They put race above class.

They always accuse us of not caring about social justice, when in fact it is they who do not care about class. When arguing with them, they will outright tell you this, too, most times.

Accusing someone of racism starts out as "hey dont say nigger", then it evolves into "YOU WERE BORN WHITE AND EVERYTHING YOU DO IS RACIST", the leftist take the catholic idea of original sin and transpose it to their own racial self hatred.

Its at this point white people just stop caring and start saying nigger again just to troll you and racism becomes rebellious, and the alt right is born

I wonder how leftism ended up like this.

maybe we can blame neo liberalism

Its probably the greatest thing for leftism that clinton got shlonged

It makes me wonder why they're still anarchists as opposed to Maoists, "national liberation comes first", and all that.

Lmao, you could tag me in the post if you're referencing it.

No, it's more like "using nigger in the context of that comment was just unnecessary". We're arguing against demonizing white people based on skin color, in this thread.

Are you serious? How new are you to this board?

This is great, but can someone fix the swastika?

What leftism should be: "well, golly gee, i sure would like to do a revolution and junk, a lot of these rednecks are kind of mean and politically incorrect, but maybe i talked to them i might convince a few into looking into the magical world of Marxism"


What leftism is: "REEEEEEEEEEEEE THEY ARE ALL RACIST KILL WHITEY"

What is this

You can't make this shit up.

Gentrification is not even a thing though. I've seen a lot of theory about it by inner city liberals, but you notice they never use any actual hard statistics. As far as I'm aware, if gentrification happens, it's usually by slightly better off minorities (latinos, etc) moving into "black" neighborhoods, rather than whitey being to blame. If rent rises, it's part of a larger pattern of affordability that isn't uniquely applied to poorer, "gentrifying" neighborhoods. Why do people throw shitfits over this when they have no idea what they're talking about?