Game is casual and has no depth

The Nige achieved what he wanted and left. And FYI, Merkel has already had one assasination attempt.

And you only hear that marketing-term on their ads or the occasional ratkid
Just marketers trying to be trendy

It's not a dignified job. They're a fucking leech and contribute NOTHING back to gaming but stale memes and shoddy entertainment to stroke their teeny weeny e-peen, let alone give to society itself. Good job trying (and failing) to inspire ire in people. You worthless fucking faggot. Get a better stance against my claim, because as of right now, you look like a huge fucking redditor defending these people. You cockglobbing down syndrome stricken queer.

dude pyongyang lol

Holy shit was Evolve dead on arrival or what?

e-sport just means you can win prize money for playing a game. Sponsorship likely included if they are successful. It doesn't denote the games depth of play.

Well, companies like blizzard and riot live out of dumbing shit down to the lowest common denominator, but since e-sports also lets them milk teens who get obsessed with "making it big" then they need to pretend their game is seriously competitive as well.
Both concepts are complete opposites but that's no issue for marketing whose entire reason to exist is to lie to your face shamelessly.

Normally, I would agree it's b8 but you see this exact same bullshit form the other side. They love to call murrica a lawless shit hole one second and then a fascist neo nazi worse than hitler murderland within the same breath. It boggles me sometimes.

Europe is not one country
Every individual from Europe does not have the same ideology.

I know this is hard to understand, but please try to make an effort.

Funny you say that considering the US is just commieforina if the EU is to be trusted.

Because retard, eSports are literally for spergs too stupid to play the actual game.
Why do you think eSports tf2 only uses like 4 out of the nine classes and 6 to a team with a shit ton of weapons banned.

And he does have a point even though theres a lot of subhumans here.
The ratio of vidya players who buy trash like this is much bigger in the US due to the existance of a much bigger sized dumbass lower middle class and the fact that the US is marketing haven and is full of brand loyal people which has been become ingrained in US culture and which was also done to Japan.

Yeah man, Slavs and Iberians don't exist
Europe is only France, Britain and Germany.

According to the average normalfag you are 100% correct! :^)

And this video is an accurate depiction of your average american.

Found the problem.
Resorting to cherrypicking now, are we?

wooosh

So, you're outing yourself as a normalfag?
I know you fags don't learn Geography outside your own continent, but at least try to give out an argument.

Central Europe is cuck city, its been that way ever since the American occupation and jew indocrination after WWII.

For someone who talks about how well they know geography you sure don't know much about history.

Netherlands actually, only later did they set up shop in Britain.

But Bantz implies that the statement is made out of good hearted jesting.
Yuropeons think bantz means "I'm going to insult you and then say "Hey, it's just banter, bro" when you find issue with that."
It's the discourse equivalent to "Its just a prank, bro."

Germans do ruin everything.

Blame League of Legends.
No really, blame League of Legends. They started all of this Esports fad.

I thought Counter Strike was the Esports originator?

Overwatch and Evolve have another thing in common: they're both great for porn

Only if you have shit taste

These kinds of games are simple to understand at a base level, making it easy for somebody who has no experience with the game to be able to watch mid-stream and enjoy.
Somebody who doesn't know what Overwatch is can drop into a stream, see the team's HP and how far they have progressed on the objective to get a basic flow of the game. The reason why such casual games are being shouted as e-sports is that it's the casual parts that makes it an e-sports.
Take football (or soccer for the Amerifats). You can drop straight into the middle of the match and see it's Man U - 1 Chelsea - 2 and from there you can easily pick up that Man U is in the shitter and needs to pick up goals in order to win. It's not a hard premise to understand at a base level.
The other thing is that these games are meant to look easy to the viewer so that they will think "Oh shit, if I pay 40 dollarydoos maybe I can be a competitive player and earn thousands of dollarydoos", again, similarly to football.

A mental experiement I like to do by myself is imagine if Pokemon Red/Blue first came out today, how likely would it be for it to become a huge E-Sports. All the set up is there and it's almost perfect for it. If you add on bugfixes too.

NK is fucking garbage. That's the joke.

Perfect for Holla Forums then

But most popular sports are harder to understand than most Esports. Football and baseball make no sense to someone who has never played it before. How have we gotten to the point where the average "gamer" is dumber than the average athlete?

But now that I think about it it doesn't make sense why Lol and dota are so popular because they don't any sense to someone not familiar with them.

A few reasons, at least from my perspective:
1. Europeans make fun of Americans almost as much as any others country. Hell, we make fun of other European countries just as much. You only notice when we make fun of you.
2. Americans make fun of the EU all the time, what's wrong with the other way around?
3. The shit that goes on in America is hilarious so why wouldn't we point and laugh?
4. I'm not here to talk politics so I'll make this quick, just about the whole world and over half of America think that Trump is a retard, and ye elected him president.
5. Ye are overly defensive of your country. The shear fact that I find it common for Americans to make posts like yours and get annoyed over stupid stereotypes is fucking ridiculous. Here's an example, I'm Irish, I don't care if you make potato/sheep fucking/alcohol jokes. In fact, I find them funny, I don't get annoyed over it. I'm not saying that you specifically do this, this is just a pattern I've seen from some Americans (and Slavs for some reason) online and I just don't get it.
6. Every country makes fun of Americans, just ignore them if it annoys you.

Casuals ruined competitive gaming. To prove this go to google and type in "reddit competitive" and see the top results.

Blizzard are masters of game memetics. Strip away the meticulously calculated visual aesthetics, psychologically manipulative design philosophies and made to order Mary Sue/Gary Stu husbandos/waifus and what you have left can barely even be called a game.

Their other titles are all similar to a degree, but none embody their diabolical predation on the dull and weak minded more than Overwatch.

I want to FUCK the ice girl

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Because E-Sports make money
More money is better

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i guess you answered yourself

Imagine all of the streach marks and the smell.

How dare you post that you fatshaming, transphobic cis shitlord!

GERMANY VERSUS BRASIL
8 - 1

ronaldo>messi

It was a thing for decades though.

hit the ball and run around the field before the other team tags you
Try to get the ball over to the other team's end zone.

30 million overwatch copies sold user
mercy is best support
PharahxMercy

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30 million copies sold and you still can't play LAN/offline and there are still no custom maps

Never in my entire life have I been more angry/emotionally charged towards people I don't even know. I unironically hope whoever made these decisions gets run over by a truck and have his rotting corpse sitting in the street eaten away by wild animals

Thanks for linking me twice, for a moment there I actually thought I sparked up a conversation ;_;

But for real though, understanding the ins and outs of league is a bit hard for the outsiders, however, it's easy to judge from taking a single moment from spectators to determine who is winning, who is losing and how far into the game you are, which is similar to other sports.
If you see that Red team is pushed to based, you can make the judgement that they are losing, similarly to football where if you see the ball mostly in red team's field, you can make the judgement that they are behind. To sit there and understand the specific choices they made and what they're doing might be a bit hard to the outsiders, but so is why they put a certain player in goal rather than offence.

Challenge yourself, grab a chum, your mum or your favourite Daki, whatever you fancy and pretend to be an announcer to a game of league of legends and then ask if they understood what happened.
Outside of looking like an autistic retard, the person who is watching with you should get the basic idea of what is going on and can even make a few calls for themselves.

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You can have a pool a mile wide and an inch deep, you know.

What deviantART artist did these?
Oh wait, these are designs for an official release?

Kill yourself

I know jack shit about Smash, the other user was just implying that the game has no depth purely because only a portion of the game is used.

He was specifically referring to smash. I'm sure plenty of games have few options or rosters or play styles but still have depth.
Smash however has neither depth or variance.
It sucks cus i casually like smash, but the community makes me want to inject bleach into my eyes /

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It's an esport because it's a competitive multiplayer game. You can play the game in tournaments.

You get competitive players interested with money, fame and a challenge, and they'll shill it by streaming themselves. It's a good business model if you can get an annual tournament going.

Team combat adds a lot more to CSGO i feel.
So now that i think on it, is there any competitive community that is FULL of high skill players where the scene changes frequently?

Admit it, every other competitive community would do the same thing if their devs pumped out retarded shit like most smash stages. Shit SFV had to ban a stage for having ankle deep water effects. You FGC fags just get lucky because your stages consist of boxes of slightly varying width. Except 3D Fightfags but I never got competitive with those games

Starcraft says hi.

League didn't happen until they saw its popularity in Korea, so the chinks wanted to get in on it.

Starcraft, Quake and Counter-Strike were the origins of E-sports. League of Legends was the origin of E-sports as a marketing tool.

Soon.

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Allah be praised

CSGO, at least when I still followed it. Valve had a habit of releasing meta-breaking updates right before major tournaments started, and teams were changing rosters what felt like every 3 minutes or so. The only reason it felt stale was that Fnatic kept winning everything and that it's, well, Counter-Strike.

The biggest news from any tournament was a huehue team winning.

Israel ultimately controls the EU, not Germany.

Billion dollar ass saves e-sports.

Competitive pokemon is a thing though

Most real sports don't have any depth either, they're just popular games that normals like watching.

Casual doesn't always mean it can't be fun though.
usually it does. But I have fun playing Overwatch. Zenyatta, D.Va and Roadhog are the best.

>competitive community
yeah that 4 player FFA mode meant to be played with friends for fun is fucking retarded

I'll say not even Israel but an even smaller collection of Jews and their Jew 2.0 allies.

Does this game have an equivalent of botting/gold farming for dog eaters to buy the game en mass?

When was the last time a good game came out that was designed for e-sports from the get-go? Has any game outside the fighting game genre ever gotten any closer than Overwatch did to that magic sweet spot between "Only autistic savants can even play this" and "Everyone can enjoy it, but autistic 'e-athletes' can't find enough depth to enable high-level play" while still actually marketing it to the e-sports scene?

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Welcome to Holla Forums

Kill yourselves Overcucks

Never played it.

Here's an idea. I know, this is pretty far out there but how about we stop talking about AAA trash in the future?

Half the thread is /int/-tier shitposting, did you even read it?

Why are 1vs1 esports dead outside fighters? The only non fighting 1vs1 game that is alive is Starcraft

1v1 Esports are literally the best Esports because it takes away retards blaming their team for every little problem. It's also why you wont ever get a game like Battlefield being an Esport because there are just too many fucking people on each side.

See
Overwatch is casual as shit.

The moment i saw that the game has fucking infinite ammo and no ammo box placement on the map i knew who exactly was their target audience.

is that you WelfareWalrus? Keep making videos that piss off Bethesda and Blizzard drones

I dont know if that person is a shill or not but after watching 3 videos from this channel i subbed. He have some good points to his videos and i agree with all of it. I do want him to talk about that good esports have little RNG while shitty meme esports like Hearthstone is shit and the worst esport right now because the skill is really fucking low

No, I saw it posted a day or two ago and thought it fit the thread. But I know he browses here and that is probably why he has so little subs since if you are going to target an audience you would probably want reddit or something that is made up of more than just a few hundred random anons.

I don't know shit about hearthstone but aren't all card games just RNG? I personally know people who have spent literally thousands and thousands of dollars making decks in yogi-oh or magic so they can be competitive.

e-sport is a buzzwords companies toss around to promote their game's competitive scene and to get sponsor to launder their money on bullshit projects virtually nobody watches compared to other venues.

Hearthstone took it to an extreme but all card games have som RNG. However some games have a lot of depth to allow a better player to beat a lower skill player way more often. In classic deck card games (or what you call card games that uses the basic 52 cards) Like Bridge there are some luck needed but skill matters way way more. In Hearthstone, Shadowverse, TES legends you just play stuff on curve 99% of the time. MtG and Eternal you play a land/power and play stuff on curve 90% of the time. There are more tactics needed in those 2 games than in the former 3 because there are instants and shit here and cards themself dont have RNG or have little RNG compared to the RNG shitfest that is Hearthstone

And this is after you ignore how much you need to spend to have a top tier deck in one of them. In League of Legends you only need 3-5 top tier champions for a given role with rune page to get top rank. You can get that in under 100 hours. In Hearthstone if you do your daily and get 60 gold daily (3 wins gives 10 gold while daily quest gives 50+ gold) getting a top tier deck for a class (or colour as it is called in MTG) will take 1-2 months plus

Some games make it a joke and other games dont have the playerbase. But DOTA2, Starcraft, CS:GO and some fighting games still have many viewers

Is anyone going to give OP a real answer that doesn't boil down to "hurr, me smart, normalfag dumb, i have good taste"?

i knew freech niggers where behind things , but i had no idea they were literally retarded

Sometimes I feel like if I actually wanted subs I would have to make videos that get views rather than videos I want to make. No big community will like a person who insults Overwatch. At the same time there are channels like Core-A gaming or Ross Scott that get a ton of subs while talking about things that personally interest me, it's just that their product values are quite a bit higher than mine since I am still learning basic shit like how to make my voice not sound like ass. For the most part I think it comes down to the amount of free time I get to make videos since I am a full time student and have a job and other responsibilities which have to come first while most decently sized youtube channels have the free time to work on a video a bit every day rather than maybe once a week or two.

That is something I was planning on putting in actually but figured I should to make sure my video wasn't too long. Any competitive game that is based on chance though like Poker tend to find ways to guarantee that skill comes far ahead of chance when deciding a victor.

I don't see you brits getting rid of your islam and chav problem. And where's Farage nowadays anyways?

I would not say FAR ahead but more like you win 5% more SnGs if you are way better than the other players. I have only played casual Poker for 1-2 weeks on my phone because i dislike gambling but i am sure it applies to real money sit and gos as well. First off for what i know about Poker if you dont have a good Preflop hand you are going to fold. I had games where my preflop would suck ass for 10+ hands (7-2 off, 10,4, K-3, Q 8 and so on) so you end up with folding every game. And many games where you do have money in the pot the turn and river card makes it very random in the short run. There are 2 skills in Poker, Math (remembering when the math says you should fold and when you should raise and when you should check) and keeping a Poker face (only applies to real life Poker but i believe that is the hardest part to learn and get good at when playing Poker) If you look here even the best hands dont win more than 2/3 against a bad hand pokerlistings.com/online-poker-odds-calculator
Poker do have some skill but you need MANY hands (like 10k+ hands) to prove your skill

But when talking about good esports outplaying should be based on skill and not on RNG. A bad esports game that is sadly promoted as esports is Hearthstone because outplaying means luck like topdecking a card or something like that. Every other esports allows for skill outplays (the classic is the Street Fighter lll parry but even more casual but still skill based esports like League of Legends have many ways you can outplay the enemy with skill) I know League of Legends are far more casual than other games but it is skill a skill based esport where the better team wins all the time. You cant say that about Hearthstone. And the more cool stuff you can do when your skill level gets higher (as you said in your video based on Street Fighter) the better the game is as an esport and it is the reason why players have 1000+ hours in those games

I really am a novice as Poker so you are probably right about the skill vs chance difference. I think casuals like chance because it gives them that ability to win every now and then even if their winning wasn't based on their skill.
Handing out pitty kills or prizes is the reason people like gambling because at the very least they will win some of the time even if it isn't most of the time. Overwatches Ultimates while not chance based are sort of like this in that they give a player an ult just for playing the game long enough and unlike LoL or Dota many Overwatch Ults make it almost impossible to not get at least one kill with.

I would not say i am better at Poker than you (i played casual for fun poker on my phone for 2-3 weeks casually before getting bored with the game in general) IMO the best way to handle it is to add matchmaking with rank so you always play someone your own skill. That means baddies play against other baddies and good players play against other good players. But all those modern esports games are doing that (it was Starcraft 2 and League of Legends that started that trend in modern games)

Quake duel. It's not popular, but it's not dead either.

I wait for Champions. It have matchmaking so shitters will play against other shitters and it will have the OWbaddies who are bored with their game. And for what i know there still exist a classic duel mode in Champions that plays like classic Quake without the champions. Reviews like those makes me not want to play it
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Not even that. A lot of the most powerful cards in Hearthstone have random effects, so the random element can't even be planned for like in a good card game.

GO HOME OVERCUCKS

marketing terminology, like gamer, hardcore and casual.
any pvp game can be called esports. it doesnt really mean anything beyond that other than that theyre hoping it will catch on and take off.

its been a while

Just gotta stay focused on shitposting debating them if they keep trying it. I know for a fact at least 2 of them are mentally fucked up and think that the "community" saved them from killing themselves. Only thing worse then them are faggots who think ignoring them is the best solvent.

Not the good ones. They're "RNG" in that the cards you draw off the top of your deck are mostly random, but Magic (and some imitators like Hex and Force of Will) allows you the freedom to manipulate the top of your deck to control what cards you draw. You can combine these effects with other cards which shuffle your deck to have a pretty significant degree of control over exactly which cards are in your hand at any given moment.

What separates this glass of games from Hearstone, Shadowverse, etc. is the ability to act on your opponent's turn. If the game is willing to accommodate that rules infrastructure, then the devs clearly care about the players doing more than vomiting on-curve creatures onto the table.

Only in some formats with shallow card pools like Standard and most Limited formats. Legacy, Modern, and EDH allow for more creativity in deck construction which is why they've been phased out of official event coverage for the last year or so.

You still have to draw the deck manipulators and MtG only has manip in a couple colors. On top of that, you have to rely on pack openings or straight buying the best cards from a pool of a billion turds.
I quit MtG when they re-released dualies with different names in standard, forcing you to rebuy them to play. MtG stinks and is only fun casually. Shouldn't promote that jewery.

In Legacy, you'd be looking at something like 4 Ponder, 4 Brainstorm for most decks and 4 Preordain if you really wanted it. That is a shit-ton of manipulators (slightly less than a quarter of your deck) without using fetches, or Top, or creatures like Stoneforge Mystic and Knight of the Reliquary which tutor specific cards.

You're a fucking idiot if you ever seriously bought packs to amass a collection. You could take the $20 you'd spend on packs and buy a playset of a relevant card like SFM. The game's price point is a big issue (unless you buy counterfeits) but I don't have any sympathy for you if you were actually dumb enough to think opening packs was anything but gambling.

That's a shame, then, because Ravnica Standard was a great format from what I hear about it.
Legacy is a great format; it's the deepest the game gets without being crippled by its own power like Vintage, and the community is friendly. I play at a game store a couple nights a week and I'm happy with it.

I was speaking to the RNG aspect of it. All cards come from packs and that is WAI, so ya that's RNG. On top of that, you can still get mana screwed regardless of format. The only packs I opened were free from tourneys.

I'll give legacy a shot as long as you can buy in fairly cheaply. Used to play primarily standard. Started competing again heavily in like Onslaught? Anyway, the dualies I'm talking about weren't the original shock lands. They re-released those a couple sets later with changed names. They started playing cash grab with all the mana sources though, really, but that was over the line.

Ravnica standard was pretty good, but everyone still had a sour taste in their mouth from the absolute butt fuckery that was Mirrodin.

and I bet you a ton of readers of those generals played the game but never posted

Jesus Christ muh dick. I've never played MtG. Is a Mirri deck viable?

Foxgirls ain't shit taste, ye mong

Well, Legacy is quite expensive and tends to have tiny communities because of that. The only reason I play is because I bought counterfeits. If you haven't paid attention to the game since Onslaught, then you probably won't enjoy the DIVERSITY they've added to the game since.

Short answer: no. Longer answer: you don't really make decks around characters or commanders, and the storylines involving Mirri ended with her death ~15 years ago. You can read mtg.gamepedia.com/Mirri if you're interested in her lore, although I should warn you that like most Magic fluff it's rather poorly paced.

Neither of those games have foxgirls.

yiffe

They knew exactly what they were doing. They didn't even decide to give her a human like face.

You are few years late. For sc2 players ~5years late. For sc players way over 7 years late.
Entire reason is it being popular. Only proper channel for HS is day9. He dropped better games but instead of going HS he just makes fun decks and play them. No idea for Overcuck or Evolve.

Now give me proper TF2, waifu game and e-sport games.
Because Overcuck doesn't manage to do any of the 3 and I want waifus and TF.