So I haven't been on Holla Forums in a long time but what's so bad about this game?

Asriel is too cute

Ok, this is a raid from who knows where. Probably /int*/.

It's popular.

The reason you see so much shit talked about Undertale is because the threads were derailed into a death spiral of furries and attention whores after those golden first few weeks; and outside the secret club Tumblr and furfaggotry at large sunk their teeth into it and turned anything related to the game into a fagfest.
The game's just an above average narrative-driven RPG with some refreshing changes of pace and writing you'll either love or not really give a shit about.

I sincerely hope its a raid. Because otherwise it means people like OP actually exist and are sincere and that scares me.

No, I came from /lolcows/ since people says this is a SJW approved game but I can't see why specifically.

That would make DS bad by that logic.

:-)

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Oh and remember the top 3 rules of Undertale thread discussion
Anyone Mentioning Meta commentary hasn't played the game
Literally minutes after popular lets players people started hating it meaning they watch it
Poopy Joe spent $2000 on scat porn because he was THAT mad about people liking undertale.
Also Ed is the best authority on anything about undertale on Holla Forums

plebs

It's a game all about promoting love and tolerance and all that shit towards people different than yourself even though they're all trying to murder you for their own gain. It also stars an androgynous kid which means they all get to pretend it's a beautiful tranny, while also fawning over the canon gay characters, one of which is also practically a Tumblr self-insert as an insecurity porn-loving manipulative sociopathic attention whore.

Anyone who denies the game tries very hard to be "meta" is a shill.

I'm sorry, I'm a lolbertarian, too low for race war too right for Dindu Muffin.

Shit thread, OP.

Well in my play I only killed the military and injured the civilians, I got my shit straight.

If you have gotten to any ending you'd know ALL meta elements are actual in game phenomena

It's literally only the fanbase
Holla Forums had wet panties for the game for years before it came out, but then suddenly a few weeks after release when it became clear that it was going to be the hot new autism fandom, reactionary opposition became common

And I can't blame any of them, that shit is really fucking bad, it's got the worst of the homestuck fanbase but is a lot closer to home since it's actually vidya and appeals to an even wider audience

The fan music remixes of the soundtrack are actually fairly tolerable.

What's unacceptable is that someone made "skeleton vocal OCs"

So nothing specific?
Is just a fictional character, had motivation, action and repercussion, and nobody forces you to love her. I sure as hell didn't.

If you think the meta commentary is exclusive to the Save/Load mechanics, you don't know enough. The entire Genocide path through the game is a hamfisted satire on average RPGs and the lesson is essentially "Hey, did you ever level-grind on monsters in a video game? Well that makes you a HORRIBLE WORLD-DESTROYING PERSON!" If you think Chara's little speech at the end there isn't trying to tell you something, I can't help you.

It's specifically the entire game's story, setting, and narrative.

"Repercussion" my ass. She did a ton of terrible things and is a terrible person yet by the end it's just hugs'n'kisses and everything is okay.

Like any fanbase, of course there are going to be segments that don't make you want to kill yourself
The autists are just way louder taint most discussion

And you're right about the music, I'm partial to the jazz soundtrack myself

I killed that fish girl and just to spite her I let the robot live, also because he looked like her victim more than anything.

it's an unfunny overly quirky game for furfags, praised as one of the best games of all time when it was OK at best. seems like a deliberate effort to make furfag shit acceptable and it doesnt deserve any more threads.
is that true or are you actually new? either way lurk more

Most of the people who hate it on this board are mindlessly shitposting about it without having played it themselves and without having any desire to actually factcheck any of the shit they spout. See Poopy Joe, the hero who spent several thousand dollars to spam Undertale demo threads with scat porn and afterwards spent his days screeching about "meme games" and how he would never get his $10 back from this terrible meme game.

Alphys is written to be hated and intentionally annoying seeing as she constantly calls you and her reasoning for almost everything she does is pathetic. Everyone forgiving her is probably a testament to that monsters are naive as hell as an entire race, though Alphys' treatment by other characters in general after the truth comes out is one of the parts that stretched my enjoyment of the writing seeing as there wasn't any actual reason to forgive her for having gone all Mengele on peoples' friends and family, even if it wasn't intentional.

You are aware Chara and Frisk are individual character in the game, correct? You realize that chara is speaking to frisk.
Do you think a game that acknowledges any order you play the game in but neglects the one thing that requires you to actually go out of the realm of the game, erasing the system files for the altered genocide pacifist endings.

It's irrelevant who he's talking to. The words are the same: a poorly-made jab at the typical RPG player.

I think that was just Toby Fox being a lazy coder.

that gets invalidated invalidated by the fact the game explains that monsters greet eachother through magic attacks

which is invalidated by the fact that what matters to monsters is intent, if they didn't want to kill you it wouldn't fucking kill you. this is why sparing works

And that's just plain retarded ass-covering. It's still gonna kill you dead. A society that greets each other with stabbings is not a society worth respecting no matter how friendly they are.

Fucking Marxist propaganda

not an argument :^)

Now that's just racist
All cultures deserve respect, especially the underprivileged ones.

When you are making the assertion that it is a direct jab at the person playing the game, yes it does in fact matter who the fuck the person is telling it to.

You know for a game literally designed to try and account for all the player's actions, you attribute the single odd one out to negligence.

Yeah, even I have to call BS on that. Was it so hard to tell the super-popular sans.
Can you tell people not to hit me.

And on this .
It only hurts you, even dog barks can kill you because of their nature.
btw You're the illegal immigrant in undertale anyways.

On their territory they do.

So is this all you're reduced to, crying leftist buzzwords in a vain attempt to pretend to have a point when you really don't? You're shallow.

I've bever seen a game let you negotiate with demons before I think this ones the first actually

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Not enough of it

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No it does not. it just makes it passive-aggressive rather than directly aggressive.

No, you're an American stranded in Saudi Arabia after a freak accident.

Yep. It's only an assumption, but so is yours.

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Agreed.
This is bad because?

Oh so now context doesn't matter and your subjective interpretation that piece of dialog is aimed at the player is more important than the objective reality that, in this particular instance, the dialog is directed at another character wholesale.
Mine is application of logic to the internal workings of the game, and interpreting them in the context of the game itself. It doesn't rely on me ascribing any personal beliefs or biases to form my understanding of the objective reality present in the game as presented by the game itself.

Are you trying to say that playing the game the way the game praises you for is somehow not like a video game?
Are you saying you shouldn't be shamed for being shit at a game?

And Spec Ops only allowed you to play one way or not play it at all

It's a joke from a review of Doom by Edge magazine. Someone out there took it seriously.

Visual novels aren't technically video games. They're allowed on this board, but they're not video games.

A character with no personality who is the player stand-in. Regardless of that, the words mean the same thing, and would only mean anything to the player themselves. The context of being a video game character shit-talking video game players and mechanics is the important context.

Okay, you have an oh-so-enlightened hypothesis. Still no actual proof so I don't care.

Fuck off you retarded shitposting nigger

This is my opinion but it feels more like an "experience" than an actual game. Like it's something made purely for the concept of novelty and going oooh and aaah at the various displays, but when you actually want to be entertained and play something decent it fails completely at that.
Also it looks like utter garbage

Somehow I believe you play Risk: Legacy .

The proof is the actual content in the game itself
The fact of the matter is that Both Chara and Frisk are characters in of themselves regardless of their particular role as the player character or not, they still exist as their own entities in game. Meaning dialog between them referring to context in the game itself is indicative of character interaction and not acknowledgement of the player as an entity in the story.

Yeah, pretty much. Also when it became so overrated, it came with all the tumblr cancer.. General threads discussing shipping and such. Not to mention all the shit like "humantale" and general tumblr-tier discourse about characters being trans and non-binary.

The "gameplay" outside of the canonical run where you play it like a normal video game is fucking dating sim-shit. The gameplay when you play it like a video game is a garbage JRPG with slapped on poorly made bullet hell elements.

Don't play tabletop.

I've beaten the game four times, so I'll give you an honest answer.
A big problem it that it's far too easy with the exception of a single boss fight. There's no real challenge to the game, you just go around until you finish it.

The art is extremely ugly, I don't care if you wanna talk about "muh art style"; it's ugly. Frisk's sprite is the perfect example of this.

The writing gets to be cringey and annoying at times. The banter between Papyrus and Sans near the beginning drags on far too long, it's not funny either.
The writing (and the game as a whole) also has a completely inconsistent tone throughout it. You go from "wacky skeleton brothers" to "unethical scientific experiments" to "redemption of terrible people" too quickly.

Another problem is the story. It has a lot of double standards and hypocrisy when you really think about it.
Asgore killed six people, but you're meant to forgive him, but if you so much as kill a single slime and you're the worst person in the world, people try to kill you and you're meant to just take it.
Undyne even spouts some spiel about those monsters having families, completely ignoring the same could be said about the people Asgore killed and the player character themselves.

It's not a terrible game, it's just overrated as fuck.

I think you might just be a casual user, it's okay to admit it

By your "logic," walking into a McDonald's with your friend and loudly complaining to them how terrible McDonald's is and how everyone who eats at McDonald's is a fat retard is not insulting to everyone in the building because you're not talking to them.

Thanks for reminding me how you can't lose to the final bosses in both the neutral and pacifist endings. I fucking hate that shit. It's just cutscene bosses that require a few button presses.

Fucking THANK YOU, I thought I was the only one annoyed by this bullshit.

I hate the clumsy attempt at making the protagonist "gender-neutral". NO, SAYING "THEY" ABOUT A SINGLE PERSON IS NEVER CORRECT. PROPER GRAMMAR RULES SAY YOU SHOULD DEFAULT TO MASCULINE.

Other than that, it's okay. And the music is definitely very good.

Do you happen to not exist in that McDonalds and nobody is capable of being aware of your presence in that McDonalds?
If not, you don't have a point.
You do not exist in undertale.
You exist outside of it.

I'm just going by what I've been told. I have no desire to play that shit game again, it gave me one of the worst headaches I've ever had in my entire life.

And there it is

But you are, I never felt guilt tripped because of my kills the people I killed every boss but the robot .
Except by undyne but she's clearly biased.

It wouldn't have been as bad if characters were allowed to say your name, but no he had to have both the ambiguous blob player character AND the epic identity twist at the end

pretty good game, fucked by shitty fan's.

woosp

Apparently this is something "grammar scientists" are still arguing about.

But I do exist, and Toby Fox also exists, and Toby Fox wrote it, so you can argue about what it means in-character all you want; the meta-commentary, the "out-of-character" meaning, is an attack on the player and pretty much every person who ever played an RPG.

"It doesn't mean anything because they're not talking to you" is bollocks. That would mean every allegorical work in history is completely meaningless, that there is no such thing as subtext, that metaphors aren't real, and a fucking mess of implications I can't wrap my head around. You are talking out of your ass.

The game itself is just a badly designed shmup/RPG hybrid with none of the depth of either genre. The focus is entirely on story and characters, except there's nothing for you there if you're someone who doesn't care for childish tumblr meme humor. "Haha this skellington keeps trying to feed you spaghetti and also you get to go on a funny date with him and also there's doges everywhere woof woof much bark such lel am i right"

It doesn't help that its fanbase is pure cancer, praising it as the second coming of Game Jesus when it's an utterly mediocre game. The graphics are bad too, they're either badly drawn or overly simplistic, or just sprite edits of Earthbound graphics. The only real good thing about the game is the soundtrack.

Undertale is a shitty game with a good soundtrack and that's all it is.

Maybe this is hard for you to understand
Let me draw you a picture to help demonstrate the concept of you not being in the game.

Sorry user but it seems you're completely incapable of grasping simple human reasoning since you're stuck on this single point that doesn't actually matter and it's all you can do to defend this shitty Tumblr game. You're either a shill or so autistic that you can't comprehend basic subtext.

Stop pretending to be retarded user
You are literally never going to convince anyone that works of fiction can't have messages, moral or otherwise

Well there was a guy posting a shit ton of identical threads shilling some ninja game but I think this is unrelated. I know there's at least one 4 am thread poster in here, though.

pic related

Adding supplementary detail, a good deal of the sloppiness in the game can be attributed to the fact that Radiation, the creator, did not have any sort of design doc or game plan when starting work and had to borrow a whole bunch of help and wing it, getting this from a bunch of interviews from people he had help and other stuff. Reiterating an educated guess I've made in another recent thread about this, he originally planned Undertale to have a much more interconnected world than the series of fancy corridors with broom closet houses the final product turned out to be, that would make it even more reminiscent of the Mother series than it already is. However, due to his bungling, he had to or relented to adopt the demo's style of play, with each major section having a major character, some jokes and scenes, and a climax fight.
On the topic of morality in Undertale, it is clear that Radiation has fallen into that most notorious of novice writer traps, "assuming everyone has the same viewpoint and information as you do." To him, the hypocrisy that your killing in self defense is compared to the monsters' does not exist, because he considers the player's involvement, or rather their ability to save and reload data, as a power that is recognized in the game even by characters that do not and should not know this, such as fish and goats. This is a major plot element in both the neutral ending and genocide ending, and Radiation assumes that by playing the game the player is complicit in this relationship, and that a run that is not completely pacifist is obviously intentional on the player's part, and so it is fine to chastise the player for then obviously intentionally killing enemies, since they are only doing so because they wish to see the results of such actions.

And this is another thing I hate. I agree with you that the entire Genocide run is one giant "fuck you" to people who enjoy video games, especially completionist gamers. Yet there is a subset of the Undertale fanbase that insists this isn't the case and uses the most weaselly, evasive logic imaginable to try and duck the plainly obvious subtext that's directed at the player.

I once argued with a guy who said that wasn't the meaning of the Genocide route, and when I asked him to explain what it was, he just didn't say anything. He seemed rather embarrassed and hoped that the conversation would just end. I fucking hate these people.

My point isn't that nothing has subtext, my point is this particular game is not implementing subtext. You are using a fallaciously ascribing my point as a statement on the nature of metacommentary in ALL media rather than a particular piece of media.
Which is incidentally, an admission that you can't actually prove me wrong. So I will go ahead and thank you for at least admitting that you are wrong, even if you had to cake it in language to mask the fact that you don't want to admit it by phrasing it as a further argument that isn't substantive.
The only thing that I will concede is that Undertale is in fact metacommentary, but the entire game itself is a metacommentary on metacommentary on games by not being metacommentary.
Happy?

With Radiation shitcanning pretty much everything he planned tertiary-wise for Undertale fortunately we will never see Alphys's "dindu nuffin" arc.

It's only a fuck you if you agree with the game on it's main point that the characters in the game are people with lives that you're screwing with, in which case the fuck you would be well deserved
Otherwise you're just treated as the bad guy of the story, which you are, and that isn't a bad thing for a game to do

It was okay. It was more babbys first shmup than an rpg but the genocide route was quite satisfying.
I want to fuck the milfgoat

Why is people so pissed at being the villain protagonist in the germicide run?

Then you're retarded.

Semi-related, didn't the dev have a shitfit on Twitter that he didn't win GOTY?

I wouldn't be surprised if half the people here never even played the game themselves, and are mad because the game directly called them out for watching someone else play it

Correction, you are retarded, because the game is written in a way that "subtext" is present as an element of the selfcontained story and not something to be read as an outside influence.

Because they're stupid and think they should be patted on the back for doing something obtuse and destructive for the sake of being obtuse and destructive.
Or they never played the game and just assume you get the genocide ending if you whack one of the start game frogs and not deliberately grind out every single last "enemy" in the game.

Also this

But holy shit there was nothing like them

Not that I recall.

They were the comfiest threads I've ever been in and there was an absolute waterfall of spitballing, discussion and OC.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen said about this game. It's very clear you're just another weasel described in
Every argument you put forth is just "You're wrong because you can't shove your head farther up your own ass than I can! Only I understand Undertale's beautiful writing and you're all just plebeians who didn't play it!"

In short you're a fanboy and/or a shill, so let me offer you a helping hand:
>>>/tumblr/

It's been way too long
imgur.com/a/NkB3A

I doubt anyone would even notice that call out since it happens in one of the many blocks of text right before the meme skeleton fight that they're all likely watching the run for and just heard that "the game calls you a shit for watching it instead of playing" secondhand.

Crying that I am a fan of a game that I know more about than you doesn't make you right user, it just makes you look insecure.

You are a massive, massive, MASSIVE fucking idiot. I think you might just be crowned as the alpha idiot of the universe. Congratulations.

Let's be clear about this: the characters make reference to people watching let's plays of the genocide run on youtube, but that's entirely in-universe, so according to you, that means nothing. The characters make reference to your ability to save and load, which you are only able to access as a player of the game, but according to you, that is also "in universe" and has no other meaning. Finally, in the final Sans fight, Sans makes reference to you getting bored of the game and going on to "destroy another universe" (which is obviously a reference to playing another game), but that also means nothing since according to you subtext does not exist in this game.

Wow. You are truly a black hole of stupidity. I don't have anything else to say, you are the sole reason this game sucks. Not the bad graphics, not the stupid tumblr meme humor, not the horrible fanbase. You. And you alone.

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MEMEGAME

I don't know I feel pretty secure in my knowledge that you're just a moronic fanboy of a mediocre video game who can only pitch forth "how can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real" defenses.

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He knows you can start over
Flowey knows there are two people there.
Flowey uses saving and loading during the boss fights, and uses loading whenever he acknowledges you replaying a sequence in the game to change the outcome
And when he becomes Asriel he straight up states he's going to reset the "game" so he can play with you again.
You aren't very good at this, you know that right.

Well I'm glad you are secure in your deluded construct of what happens in the game because you are upset about it and can't actually admit to being wrong about what's in it because it contradicts what you want to be true about the game

Used to refer to stream-bait games that pumped themselves full of Funny Internet Jokes to ingratiate themselves to the Twitch.tv crowd, funnily enough it didn't actually apply to Undertale despite the forcing the term since I recall few to no internet jokes in the game itself, just references to the internet.

You probably can't even properly pronounce the phrase "Deus Cult" you fucking heretic

*Vult
Fucking autocorrect

One major flaw is that it's incomplete, or at least feels incomplete.
Comparing the game to the demo that Toby shilled going on 4 years ago, everything seems underutelized, and the only depth in the game comes in trying to find out how killing people effects the game's ending. The true pacifist route and the Genocide route, all have major portions of game play that are completely and utterly under looked compared to anything you might find in any of the neutral paths. You grind for 20 hours just to get to fight 2 bosses and get some background on Flowey/Asriel, and then the game decides to throw the master of edge at you for shock value.
The true pacifist route involves three "dates" that are about as non gamey as it gets, with one of them happening right before the True Lab, in which, it's revealed the faggot you just dated is an irredeemable piece of shit that the game will never try and redeem because fuck you, do the genocide route. If you continue to the nongame bossfight where you can't fucking lose because deus ex machinamuh determination, you are forced into just plainly accepting that this character is a good person or something.
Then the kick in the face, the one character that you should have been able to keep from returning to his own personal hell, the flower that followed you throughout the entire game and went completely underutilized outside of the demo/ruins area, you can't do shit for.
The demo didn't give off tumblr vibes, It didn't, and I was one of the ones that had the pleasure of playing the demo when it came out, but the game, after three years in development was a complete shitshow.
at least the gameplay was fun when there was some

Flowey is implied to be someone else who also plays the game, despite being a character in the game's universe. See this is actually a fairly commonly used trope in all sorts of fictional media, it's something a character can posssess called "fourth wall awareness", I know it's difficult for you to grasp since you're still in junior high and think this game is the coolest thing to ever have an affect your pathetically short life. But certain characters are able to possess an awareness that they are in a game.

Also, congratulations, you just contradicted your own argument that there is no "subtext" in the game since clearly there is shitloads of it in the Flowey fight and the genocide run. Just stop embarrassing yourself by trying to act like you have the upper hand, you're just making yourself out to be a bigger and bigger idiot each time you pots.

We've had these "what's the appeal" threads on Undertale all the fucking time and it always boils down to the same retards saying the same shit every time. These threads are cancer and should remain dead. Fuck OP.

Just filter him. I did and the thread become refreshingly less retarded.

Mate that's something that affects the whole of Holla Forums, shake things up and make a thread that isn't the fifty-billionth general that belongs in /vg/.

Not to mention the hard mode that would made the game one million times more fun.
Sage for being something I forgot.

Subtext referring to things in the game is not equivalent to subtext referring to things outside of the game, literally all of this can be avoided by admitting to being a sheep that is repeating the same shit that is said in literally every one of these threads because you are incapable of playing the game and forming your own opinion, or a tacit admission that you in fact go into literally every single undertale thread to say the same retarded bullshit that is still wrong no matter how many times you repeat it.
And before you suggest that I am doing that, may I take the time to state, any amount people getting something right is possibly cheating
A group of people getting something wrong in the exact same way are not actually doing the work and are just repeating what they believe to be correct, that is intellectually being lazy in which case you are admitting to being too lazy to actually form your opinion and would have better spent your time in a thread about a game you actually know about instead of posturing for virtue in a thread you don't actually know about in an anonymous image board.

I do. This thread is faggot central.

Nuh uh, show me.

Fuck off

The story is pretentious as fuck. The art style is terrible, I can't draw and even I would put more effort into making it look presentable. There's nothing innovative about it.

I didn't read the thread. I just came to say that Undertale is pretty mediocre, but I can see why people like it. It has "charm" and apparently that's all a game needs these days. Yes, the music was good, but nothing outstanding. Yes, it is true that the fans are cancer, and yes I also realize that some of you in this thread both like the game and are not the type of insufferable twats that run around on the internet and make asses of themselves in the name of their favorite anthropomorphic yiffbait.

Carry on.

Nobody's watching, user, it'll be alright.

You're good people.

It's perfectly fine, thread's probably gonna go down in a few minutes anyway.
Undertale discussion is b&.

Or you could just not bump this dumpster fire of a thread.

It's not that bad.

I'm glad there are still anons who remember the first half of the month when the game came out. I remember those shit san's bad time OCs everyone made and actual discussion was had.

At least I have my memories from the demo threads.
I can't be alone, can I?

Generals are banned. "What's the appeal" threads like these last I checked lasted as long as any others and were very common and annoying until most everybody got it out of their system somehow. Now we're having them again. I can only imagine newfags are coming in here or something.

If you've been in more than a few even then you would start to see the exact same posts repeating the same shit every time. I've genuinely seen posts like that point out obvious facts and then leave like they somehow cracked the code so many fucking times. There's no point for these threads to exist other than to make newfags feel like they're special. We've discussed this game to death as a community and there's nothing left to say about it. The only people who would be interested in it again would have to come from somewhere else. You'de have to have been living under a rock on Holla Forums to somehow missed the Undertale threads.

Well if you're glad I can fix that for you
Ed will never come back because Soc Jus faggots pestered Toby to the point he canceled all of his projects
Also Hard Mode and the Alarm clock were canceled
So was the other game too

Nah the demo threads were great.
Back then the game mechanics seemed very new and clever.

if he does a new game, it'll probably be incognito to avoid his Undertale/Homestuck fanbase. I can't see him giving up on it entirely.

Well there is a rumor that he is releasing Undertale: Yellow pretending to be a fan developer, but that's probably not true.

It feels good to have good memories of a game and the community before everything went tits up.

That would be absolutely hilarious.

It was alright for a free Flash game. i pirated day one and i actually did forget for a while that it wasn't free

This.

I too remember the first threads. They were so good and comfy and it's from fucking Undertale.

It hurts.

yea, I want another undertale
and by that I mean a game Holla Forums actually discusses and makes OC for
but Holla Forums will never discuss video games.

Tumblrtale is a marxist homosexualism simulator made for tumblr crowd.

One part in the game they make you match make a homosexual couple between an ugly disgusting she beast and the only fuckable female in the game. This is true marxism.

That is why tumblrtale will never be welcome here.

Really I just come here hoping to join a circlejerk about how great the old threads were.

too soon

It's an okay game with some decent enough gameplay, a forgettable story, fun meta-fuckery, and some great music. Holla Forums takes shit too seriously. It's shit-easy to pirate, so anybody too stupid to play it and form their own opinion should be disregarded immediately.

The only thing that's really shit about it is the genocide run, which is really fucking boring just to play 2 good boss fights and a minimally-interesting ending. The pacifist run's story is inoffensive enough, but the pacing is fucking god-awful. The entire story is delivered to you in piles in the beginning and end(s) of the game, with the entire middle portion just being meet-and-greet with characters and wandering from one boring environment to the next.
Other than that and the fanbase, there's really not much to hate about the game when you play it. There's not much to love either, but you have to be either trying really hard to hate the game or have to have never played it and just jumped on the bandwagon of faggots who hate something they never touched just because people they don't like love it.

I knew opening this thread exactly what a shit-show it would be, and I was right.

You could have at least been more subtle with that, you know

You have to go back

I acknowledge it's a good game. But the fandom is a turd on top of a good cake and has ruined any hope of love for it. As such I am so fucking sick of any and all things undertale. As someone who inhabits many art circles, it brought my piss to a boil to see so much fanart and intrusive memes referencing undertale. Im so glad its fame is finally dying down and glad there are other people who fucking hate how popular the game is.

fuck off, boy. get a real computer.

I feel like the way the game plays and the way the story and internal logic of the game are at odds with eachother. It's like the entire story was built only to both have an environment where you are being attacked by monsters and be able to chastise you for attacking back and the story is almost bending over backward to achieve that end. Every monster that fights you in combat always has a backup excuse for attacking you - they're doing it because if they violently gut you of your soul then their people become free, they're doing it because they're "testing you", they're doing it for acting's sake, et cetera. What would otherwise be a rather morally grey situation for both you and your captors is otherwise completely black and white because the game keeps telling you that it is.

Also, it'd be nice if I got a break from hearing about this game for a little while.

As a big Mother autist I can pretty much say the game is very much flawed. In its attempt to be its own separate entity from Mother while trying to have that similar "charm" (albeit that's not even argument) it completely fucks up its own gameplay elements.

The level design is far too simplistic and it devolves into you going from corridor to corridor with barely any branching paths. This simplicity continues forth into other elements but it means that you are left to simply speak to characters without having enough interesting world to go around to it.

The combat is too simplistic. In their attempts to make the combat a shooter minigame, they decided to make it too simplistic to the point that it's laughable. Almost all of the encounters you'll face are far too simplistic and in a shmup style where getting hit once isn't that consequential, that's really bad. There is no depth to the combat system. If you want to "talk" to the enemy encounters, you simply have to solve a basic puzzle. While the fighting itself has no real depth aside from attack or defend which revolves around you either trying to time a very basic attack or trying to dodge some very basic bullet patterns. It's bad.

The items and inventory is your very typical RPG maker fanfare when it comes to "storydriven" RPG maker games. It means you might be able to get a few healing items but the majority of the items are either story items or simply lore fluff items. This only adds to the simplistic level design since you can't get any interesting items to begin with so why bother putting interesting things around the uninteresting world.

The character design isn't enough because the other elements are lacking. A game with a good story and music isn't going to cut it in this case.

Fuck, I'd rather recommend you some actual good games. Play Middens or Gingeva, they're good RPG maker type games. Play Off. There's a lot of good RPG maker games that do everything better than Undermeme while also having well written characters and good music while also having not shit art. I was hyped for this game but the final product is really much like the demo.

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It's the same thing that happened to Dark Souls.
It got wildly popular and we have a moral obligation to go against everything normalfags like.

It's enjoyable, but it's not great to be honest.

That's the point. It would be weak if there's not something genuinely good to be experienced by going full completionist.
I don't think the game is trying to say that completionism and taking the bad route is actually wrong, outside the story itself. It was made by a ROM hacker. But by matching the in-story motivation to your real life motivation it becomes more personal, more immersive, more meaningful.

Could some user post the pic of edited Nazi poster with Undyne holding a flag a and text in German that says something about "Unterland"?

Google give me only some autistic Sonic tier drawings when I try to find it.

The fanbase is the worst thing about this game,seconded by Toby's inability to make good pixelart.
At least the fanart is sometimes good.

this thread again
Review time:
Bad stuff
Looks ugly
SJW base and it shows within the game
"Original Music" is not, by far, is just a bunch of remixes of other games songs
Feels incomplete, and leaves plot holes behind, people says it on purpose but i doubt that
Story and characters can get cringey at times
The "im aware of your shit mechanic" only works if you are bad enough at this game to be reloading

Good stuff
It actually tries to surprise the player
Fight mechanic is not best but it works
Genocide route is actually fun, Even tough the game supposedly punishes you for doing it

Here's the main problem:

The way you're supposed to play it is like this:
Neutral route, kill some in self-defense, then Sans tells you at the end "hey you can just save and load so is it really self defense think about it" and you're supposed to beat the game and then spare Flowey because Sans' little speech is still in your head. Flowey tells you to play again but don't kill anyone. And you're supposed to put those together and be like "I'm so much more powerful than they are, it's irresponsible to kill them 'in self defense' because they literally can't beat me" and go through on pacifist and get "the happy ending".
(no one played it like that because the game got so popular and everyone just kind of recommends it to each other like retards "hey play this game but don't kill anyone wink wink" so people just go through fake pacifist>true pacifist which is weak shit)

But the problems are these:
1: "Oh it's just how they say hello" is complete bullshit because if Papyrus beats you he just knocks you out. I still don't know why the fuck that happens, it doesn't make any goddamn sense when you compare it to almost any other enemy.
More importantly, 2: Letting out an entire race of beings that say hello by violently assaulting people is insanely irresponsible. It's sort of implied that all humans can save and load, I think? Maybe? Obviously that doesn't make sense, so maybe it's just against monsters. But "oh don't worry the only people who will be slaughtered are the ones who aren't determined enough" is a weak fucking excuse.

I dunno. It's fine for what it is, I just wish he'd thought it through a little more.

Genocide route is pretty neat, even if everyone misinterprets it as "Oh Chara is so evil lmao."

It's how monsters greet each other. They don't hurt each other by doing it, and it's reasonable that they don't know they'd hurt you by doing it because they've been stuck behind a magical barrier for god knows how long and most of them don't know you're human. And it's not something that applies to all fights. It definitely doesn't apply to Papyrus, who is explicitly trying to capture you, and it doesn't apply to a lot of other fights either, but it does apply to the fights where your opponent is trying to wash you or tell you shitty puns or make you eat your vegetables. I think it's pretty weak, because it should be possible to resolve those battles by saying "dude you're hurting me", but it sort of works out.
I would assume that monsters get an explanation about why you shouldn't do that to humans before they leave to the surface. It's something they do, but it's not something they have to do to communicate, you can talk to NPCs outside battles.

Having played Undertale before playing Earthbound Undertale tries to do everything Earthbound does, but does it much much worse.

Undertale has a potentially cool combat mechanic being able to "fight" or "act" to disarm a situation. The combat is never fully explored leaving lots of boring fights especially with "acting" as once you've fought one enemy it's a matter of navigating through the same dialogue menus over and over again. It'd be potentially interesting if enemies interacted with each other in some way, having to diffuse certain enemies in certain orders, but this is very very rarely seen.

Undertale's other gimmick is it's forth wall breaking comedy, which Mother 2 does better by subverting expectations to create punchlines within it's absurdity. Undertale more or less just says "We're breaking the forth wall, isn't it so funny?". Being self-referential itself it's funny, and I think that's what's lost on Undertale.

The music is pretty good though, and it has a good use of theme especially when paired with the music. It's definitely not a good game, but there are some things that are respectable.

You're making a shit load of assumptions about how these things worked which sums up a big part of the game's problem really.

The game never claims that the bullet hell doesn't hurt other monsters. The whole "they're just saying hello" idea is pretty dubious since even the monsters which are explicitly trying to kill you still do so via bullet hell attacks. Especially considering that even the monsters which were explicitly trying to kill you but didn't know you were human still use the same methods. There seems to be zero distinction between what these monsters when they converse and what they do when they kill.

All this does is makes you think that there might have been a bloody good reason why they were locked up in the first place.

Probably from fear because of what happens if some monster picks up a human soul.

For you user

That's the mentality of a weaker willed person. You're an individual, not a hivemind. If you realise something has objectively strong merit, there's no shame in enjoying it. If you have a guilty pleasure that you can concede is flawed, enjoy it.

Undertale was alright. A pretty fun game that was worth the ride. The music was great, some jokes were clever and the high points were very high. It's only good for the one playthrough, though, and Toby realised that by the end. Wish he'd given a bit more to the True Pacifist ending, though; the connection between the true lab and the Asriel fight still feels jarring.

It's retarded fanbase. /thread

You answered your own question. There's an implied gay couple so Holla Forums went ballistic.

they are pretty fucking gay, both of the couples

Everyone is tired of Undertale threads. Stop.

Its called barking you stupid bitch

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I came in just in time to enjoy the Holla Forums threads when they were good. So hey, there's some memories you have which I don't and vice versa.

I think what people remember about Undertale is the charm it had put into it. It wasn't the best ever, it was flawed in quite a good many ways. But for fans, the high points were engaging enough that we could forgive them, or just not care. I still remember how funny the skelebros were the first time, or fighting Asgore.

Problem with the fandom IMO is, Undertale got really popular, so it drew in a lot of people who didn't know that experience. Immature people who didn't know how to react to such sentimentality. So they handled it in obnoxious ways.

Though I'd like to say enough people have moved on by now that we don't need to look over our shoulder whenever someone talks about M E M E G A M E S

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The demo was better than the actual game so you were still around for the real golden months.

Only good thing about the game, pretty waifu tier.

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Wow, gay.

i cant believe i almost forgot about same

Dark Souls is still liked here, you failed to distinguish two categories :
1. Meme games bronies like, we don't like those from day 1.
2. Good games that get popular and trigger autists into oblivion who then try to spam bad memes in the game, this in combination of bronies-like REDDIT SCUM who then latches on the game will make their spamming have a bit more credence. That's Dark Souls, that's also happening right the fuck now with NieR with that faggot who keeps talking about Sans cosplayer WHICH MEANS TRIGGERED AUTISTS COME FROM UNDERMEME THEY ARE THE KIKES OF GAMES, THEY SACRIFICE CHILDREN AND WANT DESTROY THE WORLD BECAUSE THEY HOLD A GRUDGE AND WORSHIP SATAN

What did he mean by this?

Dude, that's a really good Alex Jones impression

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You need to go back

bump :^)

I liked the early memetale threads, fucking around and some discussion. Then we also got the nintendrones running for their bleach enemas when the undertale won the goat instead of another zelda game.
Undertale was literally just a shitty excuse for comfy banter threads until the furry faggots found out that Holla Forums has undertale threads.
I still don't get one thing after all that happened though, where did this genesis meme come from

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This shit with song has been going for way too long . Why all the coincidences?

who knows

You already posted the answer: meme magic
toby fox is shit at writing and good at music. people who are good at music listen to music and like making references to it. genesis is music. do the math.

That's not Spider Jew.

Asriel = Israel

dreemurr = murderer
Israel Murderer

Ben "Israel Murderer" Garrison?