The best time for the revolution was 1997

What happens when workers become a minority? How the hell will there be a revolution then?

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By the way, 1997 was 20 years ago.

Lumpenproletariat uprise now!

But that's just fascism?

That results in fascism.

See Napoleon III.

What? That doesnt make any sense, napoleon iii was bourgy and traditional as fuck

He suckered a lot of lumpen into supporting him by organizing gangs of supporters and putting on parties.

Lumpenproles can still be recruited to the side of Socialism
The reason they are Lumpenproles and remain that way is because of capitalism after all

Both of you are contradicting Marx right now.

Fuck that moralist ragamuffin

His theory is dumb and has proved itself a failure many times, the proletariat simply wont revolt

The proletariat revolted multiple times, with mixed success and failure depending on the locale.

I doubt we could get even 40% of lolbert NEETs to join an uprising when they can just live off their parents money.


This is correct, which is why most Marxist in the 20th century were in favor of a Vanguard party.

There isn't ever going to be a "workers revolution." The revolution will need to be a small group waging war against the state. This is how it has always been done. Waiting around for a "worker's revolution" is dumb. The average worker is a coward and a weakling who will never fight for anything in his life. He is perfectly content wage slaving, smoking weed, and consuming escapist mass media.

Completely false. "The proletariat" (not even a proper class today) has never revolted in all of history. It was always a small vanguard.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_revolt

Yeah, that isn't a real revolt. And it isn't "the proletariat" either. Real revolt is taking over the state and killing people, not talking back to your boss.

Anyway, back to the point of the OP, the proletariat is doomed, so what are you lefties going to do about your favourite spooks?

If I knew the answer to that, I wouldn't be on Holla Forums.

I actually said the exact opposite. Revolution needs leaders, and these leaders almost never lead "the proletariat." They lead other dedicated revolutionaries.

Accelerate

Which are drawn from…? The proletariat? The proletariat.

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The 1970s called. They want their Malthusianism back.

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Chinese people are already buying bottled air
Coral reefs are dead
Ocean acidification is in an all time high


Ecological catastophre soon, bourgeoise society won't end with a bang but with a whimp, it will slowly bleed to death, making it much more enjoyable

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That's because demand has gone up.

One captured asteroid can have more gold than has ever been mined on Earth. Try again.

Haha oh wow

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Further proof being a socdem should be a bannable offense

ok

He's in favour of basic income and environmentalism. He's a decent porkie.

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Seriously though, pessimists call optimists delusional but that doesn't really mean anything and is just another ad hominem. Meanwhile optimists are exploring cool ideas and opportunities.

If *we* left planet Earth then all the oppressed people would be free of porky don't you think?

this post was what I was really referencing

thinking that asteroid gold will fix ocean acidification is delusional

The atmosphere can be scrubbed with nuclear powered scrubbers, algal blooms, and trees.

Read bookchin.
Revolution comes not with the establishment of a new class but with the degradation and immseration of an old one.
This is why rural workers were instrumental in all revolutions that called themselves communist in the 20th century and why the CNT saw its biggest recruitment pool not in the relatively established proletariat, but rather from poor agrarian workers or people who had recently had to move to the cities to become workers.
Thus the degradation of the proletariat is contrary to conventional wisdom not a bad thing but a good thing and the biggest potential is indeed found in those usually cast aside as lumpens.

Peasants are not lumpens. Try again.

Pure ideology.

By Marx's definition it does.

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Delete this racist frog image immediately!

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Im fairly certain he said that everyone should stay in bed and the government would look after everyone.

Sounds like a plan to me :v)

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Le rope maymay.

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