Should all drugs be legal/decriminalized/sold through government-owned drugstores?

Should all drugs be legal/decriminalized/sold through government-owned drugstores?

I'd imagine this is one of those questions that split leftypol in half.

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Drugs are bad for everyone they should be illegal only allow tea, coffee, and medical drugs for medical use and thats it.

What if I don't care that they are bad for me, how is it your or government's right to punish me, an adult man, for living unhealthy life? Is the unhealthyness of it not punishment enough?

Yes, all of them. Crime will continue to exist as long as people want illegal substances.

Drugs should be mandatory.

Yes.

Fuck the state and their laws

No Gangs without hoes and drugs to sell, so yes they should be legal, but sold by drug co-ops, not a govt

Yes, but only top quality shit.

I have a degree, a job, I read more books than the average person, I am sex haver, I do community things. Tell me why I can't smoke my joint at the end of a long day when I want to watch movies or TV and play vidya or even just chill with a friend and get stoned and talk rubbish?

MDMA for all the sperglords might actually be some good benevolent repression

Diesel, cement, some acids, all in cocaine.

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Most drugs are petit-bourgeois indulgences. If the world is zonked in communism we have failed

Because it offends my moral sensibilities

They should all be decriminalized for now. The ones that come straight from a plant should be legal weed, coke, shrooms.

Fucking primis

All drugs should be sold in state owned drug stores to anyone who wants them. Self medication is a basic human right. Every study on addiction including animal testing proves that addiction is caused by alienation and shitty social conditions, so the argument that everyone will become an unproductive junkie is bullshit.

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I'm not commenting on their quality, just the legal problems. People have plants on their "property" unknowingly sometimes and it just seems reasonable to legalize all the ones that might cause those kinds of problems immediately. Here in burgerland they go to jail for this, a black lady whose x-husband grew weed in her backyard in an area she never went to got a sixteen year jail sentence.

Also I'm not an-prim calm down.

This. Thank god for my reefer

I quoted these here, but it didn't take for some reason:

The prision industrial complex needs that cheap workforce

How can it be illegal to grow a plant? We don't outlaw castor beans just because you can easily make Ricin from them.

Because…

Do you have a source for that ?
I'm pretty certain there is a strong environmental component to addictions, but at the same time, a shitload of people in my family are alcoholics, drug users or were gamblers, and guess what ? I'm an alcoholic.

lel. Is this the new motto of the eternally petulant anarcocks?

Why do you like someone ruling over you?

Let's talk about your new favorite quote then. What did your boy Max make of civilization in general?

Why should he do something for the "civilization"?

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I'm not saying he should. Just that civilization is something that rose up without too much internal opposition. That the state is given certain powers over the individual is just one of these things. It works cause it works. That quote shows either autism off the scale or is a guy speaking hollow ideas that he knew would never actually be falsified.

Except it doesnt work, people do not like laws, laws were made by the ruling class to mold the world to their advantage

People do not kill eachother because of the law, but because of mutual self-interest

Everything in this post is ridiculous.

I kinda agree. I don't like some laws. But they're not made for me personally, but for society as a whole. I mean consider drink driving. I think the laws here are too strict and would like to see it changed, but to just scrap the law altogether? Most laws aren't there simply to ruin your fun. Though I admit that that's the way we're heading.


I'll give you that one. How about property rights? In your farcical no laws society what stops the strong taking absolutely everything that want? Now you can argue that they already have everything of value but I assue you that unless you're a woman in a cave in afghan, that things could be a whole lot worse.

Yes, you have to understand that if someone is stupid enough to drink and drive, he deserves to die, besides the bar could have their own policy of taxi service

Property is impossible, property is the root of human suffering, humans forgot the advantage of sharing, the woman in a cave in Afghanistan is in that condition because no one shared their possessions

with her*

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Definately.

Self medication is a fundamental right

Yet most the people who take drugs are proles

Legal but i encourage all comrades to stay sober.

THEN STOP WEARING THE FLAG YOU PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!
IM SICK OF YOU FUCKING POLTARD NORMIE CANCER SHITTING UP THE TRANSHUMANIST AND ANPRIM FLAGS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

It's pretty much settled that marijuana is completely harmless, and regular (moderate) alcohol use is no big deal.

psychedelics should be legal to help people become BWOs

Honestly I think in a world beyond Capital people won't need drugs like cocaine and heroin.

I have confidence that we as a society can create an ideology of moderate drug use that doesn't cause suffering.

Apologies if this seems like a kind of high school/Sam Harris line of thought, I encourage someone to rebut me.

It doesn't surprise me that anprim is so primitive

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More poor people do coke then rich people mark my words. Just most of the time they end up smoking it. Thats how much they like it. Rich people can't even comprehend the amount of drugs hardcore addicts will take. The banker coke fiends wildest hooker party is what the junkie needs to function on a daily basis a lot of the time.

No. Hard drugs will incur social costs for treatment and generate anti-social behaviour.

Only for medical use.

Then it's also a fundamental right for society to tell you to fuck off and deal with your problems when you become a junkie.

Then why has everywhere that has pursued policies of legalisation seen massive drops in abuse and social costs?

Non-addicting ones should be free to produce, distribute and byy, the only reason they aren't is that they can be used as anti-establishment tools. Things like mdma and psychedelics can be life changing.

Addicting drugs like opiates/benzos/etc should be illegal to produce and sell. Users should be sent to forced rehab. There is no "responsible" way of consuming them, since addiction is something everyone is susceptible to. And yes that includes alcohol and tobacco

People are fucking retarded and will abuse substances if let free even under the most perfect commie utopia. Legalize some. Keep a tight leash on consumption for all. I don't care if this is authoritarian. It is one of the areas where i think human nature is really a thing and it's not pretty.

Teach people how drugs can fuck up their lives, legalise it all, then provide help for addicts. Works ever ywhere its been tried

They're called dispensaries not drug stores.

Marijuana - yes
DMT - yes
Mushrooms - yes
LSD - yes
Peyote/mescaline - yes
Ketamine - Only medical watch
MDMA - Maybe?
Crystal Meth - no
PCP - no
Cocaine/ crack - no
Opiates - no
Roofies - no

Making drugs illegal under socialism would just create a black market that would screw it all up for everyone.

Are you new to Holla Forums or leftism in general?

Drugs should be completely legalized but only if you have a Drug User Card. Having this card prohibits you from driving, raising children, owning a firearm, and voting.

All should be legalised, those who think otherwise are fascist.

which countries have legalised cocaine and heroin?

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Fuck up your own life, leave me out of it.

Most countries have –legalised– accessible medical cocaine and heroin, under different names…

This oxycontin/hillbilly heroin is a thing

Tons, moron. Meth is a prescription drug in the United States.

PS: "medical drugs" mean opiates. This wonton trust of doctors to know what they're prescribing led to an opiate epidemic in the United States pushed by Big Pharma.

You are shilling for big pharma, and likely for free.

I smoke 5-meo-dmt everyday so I would hope it would become legal.

stupid anarkiddies i swear

drugs should be legal, but require a license to sell

and the government should never under any circumstances grant these licenses

so the street price would remain low due to the non-existent risk factor, but you wouldn't have storefronts or advertisers hawking substances proven to be harmful to the general public

desoxyn

Portugal

You probably shouldn't do that my man

ahahah you have never done LSD or MDMA have you, what possible reasoning could you have for legalising one but not the other?

The problem is friend that the green and black flag represents two different ideologies Green-anarchism where you put environmental issues above the economy (In my case slightly, but still enough that I think the flag is appropriate.) Then there are an-prims.

I'm just guessing/assuming here and maybe I'll make a thread to confirm or deny this assumption at some point, but I think more people who fly this flag are Green-anarcho's not prims. The more insane ideology always gets noticed more than the rational one though, so everyone thinks an-prim when they see it even though historically only a few of those actually exist and talk among us.

I've been thinking maybe a new flag needs to be made for either one to make it more exclusive/explanatory possibly an all green one/like the all red socialist flag.


I explained this further in another post:

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You are authoritarian if you ban these chemicals.
How are you absolutely sure that the net utility of me doing drugs is negative?

Portugal hasn't legalised any drugs (apart from the three usual).
They have only been decriminalized. Trust me I live there.

One is a neurotoxic amphetamine, and the other two are not?

Read a book.

decriminalization is functional legalization: you will never discourage drug use by slapping small fines on retards.

Wrong.
I would have done A LOT more drugs if I could simply walk into a store and buy a load of them.

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Nope. Consider selegiline in pic related. Then consider its active metabolites.

Try again.

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Good questions. Methamphetamine is generally considered fairly neurotoxic, depending on dose, glucose metabolism and heat. It's not insta-Parkinsons though. Amphetamine less so.

MDMA mislabeled as meth*

I'm aware there are more recent studies, but the case for banning MDMA is still basically nonexitent.

Yeah, sorry, I forgot to mention that most of the hardcore alcoholics in my family were my dad and his brothers who I've only met after I turned 18, and one of my grandpa who died when I was little.
I've seen some fair amount of people partying H A R D while I was growing up, and of course it had an influence, but there is definitely a genetic component as well. My paternal grandparents didn't drink, yet all their sons had a problem with alcohol at some point. Their father was a excellent gambler though.
Some people have a harder time resisting to cravings for drugs, food or gambling, and it seems to run in families, at least mine.
But of course, being bullied when you are a kid and shit like that make you a lot more prone to addictions too. It's not just genetics or environment, it's both.

I meant a gambler who almost ruined his family.

Maybe soft drugs like marijuana. Definitely not all drugs though. People dealing hard drugs should be executed and users should be given mandatory treatment.

t. american

The soft drugs vs. hard drugs divide is useless because it doesn't have a clear definition.
Generally, "soft drugs" just means cannabis, or might include classic serotonergic psychedelics if the person is a bit more educated and less spooked.
But is Ketamine a soft drug ? It's less dangerous than alcohol if you know what you are doing, but still is a bit more addictive than weed.
What about coca leaves, which contains cocaine, but are quite milder ? Khat ? Datura ? Shit like Bromo-DragonFLY which is a psychedelic, but can easily kill you if you take a wrong dose ?

Anyway, I don't think the public is ready for the legalization of all drugs yet. I'm all for the legalization of weed, shrooms and mild stuff like kratom, but people need to learn to be more rationally cautious of drugs before more dangerous stuff can be accessible outside the black market, and I don't think it can happened in the capitalist world of today.

Yes, if only to get drug users into society and protect their health and security by bringing drug use into the public eye and away from shady parts of towns and cities and back alleys.

Addicts are a marginal group while responsible users consist the majority of all drug users, who are part of the proletariat and intelligentsia. To have them integrated through decrim would be ideal.

Go narcocommunism!

all drugs should be decrimminalized and some made legal, maybe most

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i bet u hate dxm too u antifun faggot

FUCK OFF

Also is with the retarded idea that MDMA is some harmless psychedelic?

MDMA is more neurotoxic and brain damaging than meth, PCP, and heroin combined. Take any of these drugs daily for a month, MDMA will cause the most drastic and permanent damage.

Just cause it makes you feel 'warm happy luvv

is 2cb a healthier alternative?

Drugs is an issue I feel disconnected from the rest of the left on

never done any, don't really want to

Yes, by a lot.

this is bullshit and heroin isn't neurotoxic at all so it adds nothing to the weight of your comparison

read a fucking book

No shit, I'm talking to who people who think MDMA is harmless but opiates are evil. And MDMA absolutely is more neurotoxic than PCP and meth you faggot. Serotonin takes way more time to replenish than dopamine.

Someone who tweaks for 3 months straight will be much much better off than someone who rolls for 3 months straight.

I am a robot, I need dxm, but dxm doesnt really do much for me. Would it be fine to try pcp but limit my use to once a month or so?

Yea, shouldn't be a problem. Even once a week won't do shit.

Kill yourself. Heroin isn't neurotoxic. PCP isn't either. Olney's lessons are bullshit. Quit spreading DARE-esque "conclusions" on here.


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A lot of people here would probably ban Opium in communism so a lot of people here probably shouldn't be listened to

How does dxm feels tho?

I have a bottle of cough syrup with it, accumulating dust in my cabinet.

fam, were on the same page.

First of all, never use any syrup that has ingredients besides dxm.

Dxm is interesting because it actually effects most people relatively the same whereas most drugs have wildly different effects for each person. It has 4 distinct stages:

Forgot to add: the 4 stages depend on dosage
stage 1: 300mg
stage 2: 600mg
stage 3: 900mg
stage 4: 1000-1200mg

Would you recommend listening to music during the trip? if so which kind of music?

Yes music is almost a must. It is pretty much the only way to get visuals on dxm besides for just the regular cubist effect it will have on the world, but dxm also just makes music sound awesome.
I recommend listening to something very punchy like punk rock or drum and bass, however, ambient music is much more likely to induce visuals.