What are your thoughts on the DDR?

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Fuck Prussia, though.

The fuck does "GOAT" mean?

Less es bleiben, peinlicher Amispinner.

Disgusting

Greatest Of All Time.

Why?

Why the fuck are Germans so good at everything they do? Whether it be nationalism, socialism, Not Socialism, capitalism.. They only blew imperialism.

Super reactionary state devoted to the interest of landed aristocracy with a deeply militarist culture. What's there to like?

:(

youtube.com/watch?v=NAHV3zZ4-h0

;-D

you can hardly claim 'blowing it', they took on every great power in the world shackled to Austria-Hungary and the Ottoshits while being blockaded and still came within a hair's breadth of winning.

May Die Rottreich rise again!

But their customs are conducive to socialism. Read Niekisch and Junger.

That flag is hideous

Yeah and the German Empire in Africa and the South pacific was about the size of India. It was efficiently administered too.

The standard line is that these were unprofitable but I have my doubts. Oppenheimer and his descendants became super-rich just because he struck a deal with the not to dump plentiful Namibian diamonds on the Rhodes and De Beers.

Doubtlessly, though imperial Germany was a lot better at neocolonialism through their business deals then they were at formal colonialism. Lenin pointed out that they did more trade with British colonies then Britain did and were quite good at muscling in the Latin American, Chinese, and Ottoman markets.

*with Rhodes

Authoritarian Socialist. It can stay ded.

deine Mutter, Alter

I agree; the entire Warsaw Pact had awful flags.

Most colonies from all the European powers were "unprofitable" on paper. This neglects the distinct economic advantage the citizens of the colonizers had over the resources of the colonized in the private sector. The wealth of Africa didn't flow into the coffers of empires, it flowed into the bourgeois across Europe.

Which would also mean that proletarian tax money went towards allowing those bourgeois to get rich, correct? No doubt some of it "trickled down" but by no means were they the prime beneficiaries.

I often wonder about how we got the multi-cultural accepting bourgeois image versus the racist white worker image.

Even whilst this was going on the bourgeoisie depicted themselves as the noble heroes going out to fulfill the White Man's Burden and civilize the world. These images exist because the upper class likes to flatter itself and their framing affects the ideas of the lower classes.

It's a pretty fun game.

The only socialist state Nazis like to jizz over.

Before anybody posts some shit about muh breadlines, aside from right after WWII, that wasn't an issue. They were pretty good in the 1960s in terms of living standards, didn't look bad compared to West Germany. Then they fucked up when the West had the micro-electronic revolution. They had good foreign policy until the very end, supporting anti-apartheid struggle while West Germany gave weapons to the other guys.

To this day, Eastern Germans are extremely different culturally from the West, marriage between both is rare.

You are right.
Der Heinz -> Fick den Heinz
Das Auto -> Fick das Auto
Die Stasi -> Fick die Stasi
German grammar is convoluted.

I've always loved Rance and the DDR anthem, but never made that connection. Now I love Rance even more. Such a great game series.

I actually like it, but I'm not sure why. Favorite flag is the blood stained banner so my sense of flag aesthetics may not be so good. I'd consider them both better than the American flag which has got to be one of the tackiest abominations the world has seen.

I tried playing Sengoku in response to this thread, but find it incredibly confusing. Only being able to do 2 things a turn and 3 attacks per person in an entire battle sequence seems absurdly limiting.

Im a kraut and ive been here for about 12 years now, up in the north

I find it fascinating how self-proclaimed liberal progressives will talk about acceptance and shit only to call ossis untermenschen in the same breath. ts like the one group you are allowed to be prejudiced against here, reminds me a lot of what cityslicking bujis will say about the south in the US

when I actually met some ossis later they were really fucking chill, a lot more open and less verklemmt than people up here, they are really fucking hard to understand but once you bridge that hurdle they make for solid kameraden, its almost like they havent been brainwashed as much as wessis

do they really that different?

gotta admit, my perception of germans is kinda stereotipical

beer, sausages, funny hats… Schwarzenegger

anyway, I have a hard time believing there's that much of a big difference between germans in modern day and age with internet and all that

Speak English you dirty kraut (srsly tho I did not understand a thing)

No, people are just haven't experienced enough cultures and blow shit out of proportion. Go visit Thailand or Nigeria and then say that East and West Germany are "extremely different culturally."

When? Not in 1914, when they got bogged down in the West as soon as France got its shit together. Not in 1917, when their attempt to starve Britain failed as soon as the British got their shit together. Definitely not in 1918, when they gained some worthless territory at the cost of their best troops. They lost when they invaded Belgium and France and forced those countries, plus Britain, to commit to destroying them. Their only hope was to stay on the defensive in the West and focus everything on the East, then they could have gained territory at Russia's expense while forcing France to accept a stalemate.

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America refusing to hand out loans like candy to the Entente could have resulted in some sort of stalemate with a victory in the East. Still infinitely better chances than the Nazis, who got luckier than anyone could ever have hoped for IRL and still lost.

lel thats completely wrong, its literally ass backwards, youre a delusional western liberal anglo nigger, you probably think merka saved the free world

There is only one way germany could have come out "on top", starting somewhere around 1890. They should have identified the 5th columns working against them, and they should have focused on solidifying an alliance with russia at all costs, regardless of what politcal cloak such an alliance would have been wrapped in. They should have done exactly what their enemies were desperately trying to keep them from doing.

this is the only confligration that would have had a chance against the anglo menace, germany+russia could have wafflestomped most of the world and the anglos were deathly aware of this, they still admit it was and even is the only serious threat to their hegemony

this is why all you faux commies are so laughable when you laugh at the Assers, sure you can make fun of the "ideology" but fact of the matter is that for a while those two were probably the most dangerous men on the global stage, its why they had to be removed, we cant have none of that working together shit son

If only Andropov had survive…

Well, they won in the East and lost in the West, despite devoting far more resources to the latter, so it's only logical that avoiding conflict in the West would have been a good idea.

What the fuck are you talking about

If so, where are the googlions of east-west marriages?

People might still perceive the differences as severe, as you evidently do. I'm just saying that's a consequence of people being sheltered inside their own continent and not really understanding what a truly different culture is like, causing them to regard relatively minor differences as insurmountable chasms.

They did nothing wrong.
gowans.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/democracy-east-germany-and-the-berlin-wall/

TOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

I did not say people perceive a chasm, but that they behave in a way that shows a chasm. And when people behave in a way showing a chasm, there is a chasm. People from the East talk in a different way, and I don't just mean the accent, they have a different world view, especially older folks. When you talk on a forum that has people in their 40s and 50s from East and West, you can absolutely tell who is what, by the sort of arguments they are making.

Their flag was sexy as fuck.

it was shit

That Gowans guy is a good writer. Nice article.

Great Country.
Erich Honecker it was the best president

IIRC the DDR was the most economically successful socialist country in history, while also having pretty decent civil liberties in it's later years. Awesome country, wish I could have visited it.

That being said, I still have criticisms of the country, mainly that they should have had more civil liberties and truly open elections, and that they also should have invested more in the digital revolution. Still an awesome nation though.

This askreddit thread is pretty relevant btw reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2jx4hl/germans_who_lived_in_east_germany_gdr_and/

Ossis: East Germans I think

That thread is such cancer.

Yeah I know, but still a few good gems in it from people who actually lived in the DDR.

…it's nice to read when your family is from West Germany and you never get to hear the other side of the story ;_;

Yeah about that..

I don't understand why all of the eastern bloc countries did barely anything with the internet (along with computers themselves). Did they not trust it? Did they not want to use it much since it was a creation of the US government?

I have no idea. I kind of wish reddit would have an ama with a former Eastern Bloc government official so we could clear up some questions like this.

Why the fuck do I have to like southerners according to Holla Forums? Fuck the south. I am a New Yorker who is ethnically Haitian what fucking love should I have for rednecks?

But I would begrudingly support them if for some reason there was a huge socialist movement in the south.

you shouldn't feel either way because "rednecks" is as imaginary as "niggers"

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I'm not calling all white people who live in the south rednecks either. But defending the area in the US which has the least revolutionary potential, I don't get it.

Eh, maybe it is a strong spook I carry.

The Masterpiece of Engineering the GDR.

kek

Skoda was state run and had good cars, not sure why the others sucked

Dance Dance Revolution is a great game

Is it true what they're saying about the DDR being subsidised by the USSR? And is it really true that you would have to wait years to be able to buy a car? Did the government want to discourage private transport?

It's amazing how the socialist USSR managed to subsidize all these different socialist states when socialism doesn't work.

This, also their hats are dope. Got one for my ML buddy chum pal.

:DD

network
web.mit.edu/slava/homepage/articles/Gerovitch-InterNyet.pdf
tl;dr: the bureaucrats in power felt threatened by technology

Yea, because that worked out so well in the long run.

I love the irony in this
Holla Forums keeps bashing us for "destroying western culture", when we were essentially the only ones maintaining it

youtube.com/watch?v=ZAPWgLaY71I

youtube.com/watch?v=hS5w6cVypik

The GDR was a fascinating state in all sorts of ways.

I've spent more time watching DDR footage than I'd like to admit
Literally the most vaporwave shit in existence

youtube.com/watch?v=FQMdFZfFE2Q

hnnnnggg

It always pisses me off when people say that Nelson (from Rance VI)'s beliefs were a reference to communism.

sauce?

"They [father and co-workers] were talking excitedly, so they didn't notice me. In front of them was a printed paper of some kind, and my father was reading from it. He told me later it was a leaflet of Rosa Luxemburg's on the 'Crisis of Social Democracy'. Of course I didn't know anything about it at the time and couldn't have understood it, anyhow, but the names Rosa and Karl and the constant repetition of the words 'Lenin' and 'revolution' had an unforgettable impact. Next day I asked him: what does that mean - 'Lenin' and 'Revolution'? He looked at me in astonishment and tried to explain. I think what he said was: 'The workers in Russia-that's a country a long way off-have made revolution.' And when I said I still didn't understand, he took me by the hand and we went into the kitchen, where my mother was making soup. 'Look,' he said. 'You know we don't have much to eat, and things are hard for your mother. But other people-people I'm forced to work for-live on what I produce.' He pointed through the window. 'You see that apple tree. Suppose I climb up and pick the apples, and somewhere is there watching me. And when I've picked them all, he gives me a few and keeps the whole basketful for himself. They've changed all that in Russia. Now everybody gets what he earns. He can keep the apples he picks. They're for peace too. And the coal mines don't belong just to a handful of people but to everybody who works in them. Lenin did all that. And Rosa and Karl want to do that here in Germany.' I remember it as if it were yesterday-and I remember that when the German revolution came I asked my mother if we would now be allowed to keep all the apples"

Anyone got a source for this?

this is my favorite song from ddr

youtube.com/watch?v=j0L4vCUVC8E

:^🍀🍀🍀)

I disagree the South used to be a bastion of real revolutionary activity as opposed to the leftist ultra-democracy that often passed for communism up North. Read about the communist party in Alabama and elsewhere and the populist movement.

Just because the Southern bourgeoisie is less liberal doesn't mean the people don't have potential. In fact, especially in the deep south states their poorer then their counterparts elsewhere and that can make them easier to reach if approached in the correct way.

What's the source on that biography? I'd like a read.

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Hellllloooo Reddit!

>>>/liberalpol/ is that way

How can someone be this retarded?

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dubs confirm

Stasi did nothing wrong

Kontrazvedka did nothing wrong

amazon.com/Honecker-Politics-Europe-Heinz-Lippmann/dp/0207954690

Sounds to me like a population on board with the socialist program keeping an eye out for capitalists and counter-revolutionaries

I said to my teacher once, the only DDR I need to learn about is DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION.

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If they were socialists and found out that my neighbour was an imperialist pig, sure

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what if they're sectarian socialists, who don't like what you believe in?

This was a discussion of historical events, not hypothetical scenarios.

We aske them politely but firmly to leave

im sure that never happend.
competing currents of socialism where never ever suppresed in the eastern bloc.

lol

Yes. You will.
You must!

Hinein in die KPD!
k-p-d-online.de/

If they were "suppressed", how comes that they had a big punk community and social democrats who took over the party?

sauce?

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_in_der_DDR

youtube.com/watch?v=nsILN0iBShA

DDR best Nazbol country west of Poland.

Except designing that logo, holy crap it's awful.

I don't understand why they put the actual logo inside the Japanese flag.

If you want a functional socialist country, you absolutely need a spy agency to root out detractors.

It's very honoraburu

I like the GDR's use of guns and arms

the punk comunity was persucted to.
nice civil liberties

my sides

Stasi was a shit tier organization worse than the NSA. It did not operate as a spy network to fend off imperialistic influence, but rather as an authoritarian secret police that routinely targeted and tortured the common folk for not following party doctrine.

The DDR had great elements to it, but even those who grew up in and are sympathetic towards it acknowledge its shortcomings.

Source: German

i believe you

wew, this isn't Holla Forums

I'm not German, but I'm wondering, is that site for this party?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany_(1990)

I know there's also the DKP and MLPD

youtube.com/watch?v=1nFNla6SAOA

Brüder, zur Sonne, zur Freiheit!

Why was DDR music so perfect?
youtube.com/watch?v=_L0J-Ce7cOE

I think the NSA learned a lot from the DDR

They hardly needed a foreign example after all the shit the FBI and CIA have gotten up to.

Huey Long managed to get them on the right path before porky killed him. The problem down here is, they know they're poor been force fed jebus, the kkk and the red scare for so long they have no idea what to do about it.

I see PRISM as America's Stasi

jacobinmag.com/2015/09/huey-long-share-our-wealth-coughlin-upton-sinclair/

Goddamnit, this is supposed to read "they're poor, but they've been force fed"

I said managed to get them on the right path, not that he was a communist revolutionary.

The article isn't chastising him for not being a revolutionary though. I mean it's Jacobin Mag, after all

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youtube.com/watch?v=xtrJafQ2amo

The less revisionist the party, the better the music: youtube.com/watch?v=7MRp9b4MUxA
Also, can anyone tell me what the lyrics between
and
are? My German isn't quite good enough to figure out what they're saying.

youtube.com/watch?v=GuxBwelptag

youtube.com/watch?v=NNYOtrwTG9o

youtube.com/watch?v=6Tz5daRrGDw

youtube.com/watch?v=Y3OdGqclnF4

youtube.com/watch?v=TjbLXoPhVfg

youtube.com/watch?v=Tp291mEAvH0

youtube.com/watch?v=nv-eBTXtkF0

gulag

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Smallfry compared to NSA and GCHQ courtesy of Facebook and Google.

They still track you using "like" buttons and create a phantom profile. The free market demand for your information is far greater than any suspicious stasi. At least they were limited by technology of the day.

Before I'm accused of whataboutery: I'm primarily trying to emphasize how bleak our future is under capitalism, not defend the stasi outright.

Why? The GDR actually purged the ex-Nazis, unlike the FRG.

West Germany let loads of Nazis get off scot-free.

spiegel.de/international/germany/from-dictatorship-to-democracy-the-role-ex-nazis-played-in-early-west-germany-a-810207.html

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/10/germanys-post-war-justice-ministry-was-infested-with-nazis-prote/

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/mar/29/comment.secondworldwar

wsws.org/en/articles/2010/08/stas-a23.html

Fuck the modern Federal Republic of Germany, it's an illegitimate state.

Only from political office - industry, engineering, and the sciences in East Germany were filled with ex-Nazi party members hired for reasons of expediency

To be fair, for most non-political positions, being a member of the Nazi party didn't actually mean that much. Basically if you were to have any sort of involvement with the state (contracting with the state, receiving funding from the state), you needed to be a party member. It wasn't an explicit statement of political ideology, which is why I never quite got why people were so butthurt about the fact that people were utilizing ex-Nazi scientists post-war. Purge the shits who actually had ideological ties certainly, but wholesale removal of anyone even tangentially related to the old government is ludicrous (see post-occupation Iraq after the Ba'athists were essentially blacklisted en masse).

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Good post

Fields like industry, science and engineering aren't inherently political.

nytimes.com/1995/01/22/opinion/l-east-germany-kept-nazi-past-in-mind-435095.html

stalinsmoustache.org/2012/03/11/denazification-east-and-west/

Germanfriends pls help

Requested Lyrics:
Weil sie nur Profit und ihrer Herrschaft dient
Auch die Spaltung der Nation ist die Tat der Reaktion

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Thanks user!